[Basic] Bolshevik Mafia - TOWN WINS

[BFG]

My issue is with sooh's initial read on hally. I know it wasn't her peek. I was just pointing out that was the only reason imo for town to already have a read on hally.

 

As for her subsequent posts, she isn't addressing the initial read. Sure she has moved it from dark green to light green. She has more info to base a read on now. But it just feels to me like backpedalling. She posted someone as an easy town peek, got asked about it, and lacking a reason for the strong peek goes "oh she's actually lower now"

What do you think of Sooh's post addressing this?

[Turin Turambar]

Current vc?

 

Len, why you think Eldrick is a wolf?

 

 

 

Asking because you havnt read what I've been saying or to see if I'm consistent?

I can't remember tbh.

 

consistency is always nice too. But I won't be able to check that until later.

 

 

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

Ok, lets keep this simple

 

Why did you vote Turin?

 

Why are you ignoring the 3/4(?) people who have asked you this question?

I think it's just been you asking it over and over.  Maybe Hally too.

 

The answer remains the same as it is for most of my actions in the game so far.  I wanted to at that moment.  Further, I couldn't give two ****s about my vote yet.  

 

I have a question as well.  Why do your questions suck so much?  They lack depth or interest.  They're the 6th grade homework assignment of mafia questions, the tropic slamming expected of a green player.  

 

Also, the continuous use of the word "why" is in poor taste don't you think?  They actually train psychologists to avoid the word why because it always implies judgement.  Consider the difference between "Why is the trash in the house?" and "What's the reason for the trash being in the house?".  It's quite substantial, so when i see someone exclusively leaning on why questions I tend to assess them as someone who is trying to create pressure where it doesn't exist.  

 

I really do wish you had better questions.

 

I have literally no idea what you mean by your issue with the use of the word why

 

I think Kronos/Manbat/myself/maybe Hallia have questioned the reasons for your votes, the reason I'm repeating the question is because you're not answering. And at this stage the not answering is more interesting than the answer to the actual question. It's not the most interesting question in the world of ALL TIME, but I'm curious as to why you've avoided answering given that voting is one of the easiest things to hold people accountable for

 

it's boring and I would rather be lynched than be bored.  You're frankly annoying me with it at this point given that it's understood that I vote at near random or for incredibly base reasons in parts of D1 and yet you continue to belabor this point.  ARE YOU SATISFIED YOU PLIGHT OF MY SOUL?

 

 

Darthe this is a strange look from you, the AtE type posts, self describing Meta read off to me.  I dont feel BFG's questions were bad, and ov they werent too bad as others have asked you as well.

 

Yet you liked Darthe's vote on me which was apparently due to asking him to explain his votes?

[BFG]

 

And still processing Laine's posts. With a couple of exceptions I like her reads list (Manbat/Sooh, who would both be null for me, although for opposite reasons), although I wish some of the generic statements were fleshed out, which responses of Turins did you like? The only thing quoted is a -ve.

 

Also not sure what to make of her statement about me to Darthe, I know my nitpicky questions frustrate her sometimes but asking people to qualify/quantify reads/votes isn't nitpicky, unless we have different definitions lol.

Totally annoys me, but if your method is to say "why" to everything then ill grit through it like I do with my four year old cousin

 

Incidentally this isn't 'new' to my game, and you know that?

[Sooh]

My issue is with sooh's initial read on hally. I know it wasn't her peek. I was just pointing out that was the only reason imo for town to already have a read on hally.

 

As for her subsequent posts, she isn't addressing the initial read. Sure she has moved it from dark green to light green. She has more info to base a read on now. But it just feels to me like backpedalling. She posted someone as an easy town peek, got asked about it, and lacking a reason for the strong peek goes "oh she's actually lower now"

Hold on here.

 

I'm not addressing the initial read?

 

I explained to Zander what I saw and why I did what I did. Did you read that?

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

So who you think is mafia Sooh.

Good question. There are a few who I just don't know about yet, like Calder and Kronos. Then I have a few nulls who I need to read more closely, but if there's scum on my train I believe it's Eldrick. His vote was odd. Hallia is not mafia IMO, and I doubt it's Darthe.

Town usually gives a straight answer to this where mafia compounds and explains and justifies and etc

Are you coaching me on how to town ITT?

If. You're town yes, if you're a wolf then im sussing you for doing things a wolf does.

 

So you tell me, am I coaching or sussing?

 

You're coaching.

[BFG]

 

 

Quick reads list since I have a moment before I try to sleep again...

 

Alanna

Kronos

Monstr

Turin

Lenlo

BFG

Hally

Darthe

Calder

Thane

 

Eldrick

Sooh

Zander

 

I'm really not that confident in my reads yet, I feel like there hasn't been a lot to go off of, just the same "why did you vote x, I don't like that, you only do xyz as wolf, yadda yadda yadda". Basically, there hasn't been a lot of substance and that bothers me as far as D1 goes. As for noting my list, Kronos is my peek, Monstr is giving me good feels. Turin, though I didn't agree with some of his pushes, his responses have been solid enough. Lenlo and BFG slightest town reads because their posts didn't make me want to throw my laptop at the wall. The huge null section either made me want to throw my computer at the wall, has given me no leans thus far, or hasn't posted at all. Nulls are mostly un-ordered. I really really hate having Zander as my lowest read but there is something off and his pushes are not coming off to me as genuine enough. I'm also having a hard time following some of his arguments because they don't make logical sense and I know he knows better than to try and put a square peg in a round hole.

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Alanna [/v]

 

Why?

[Hallia]

I'm actually feeling better about Sooh.

 

[unvote]

[Turin Turambar]

Anyone heard from Thane? Is he going to be here before DL?

[BFG]

Anyone heard from Thane? Is he going to be here before DL?

He was here this morning, nothing since

[Sooh]

I know he has had a TON at work lately, so I'm willing to give him a one-off for D1.

[Shad_]

☭☭☭☭☭☭

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Laine (2): Zander, Lenlo
Sooh (1): Eldrick
Kronos (1): manbat
Zander (3): Darthe, Turin, Calder

Not Voting: BFG, Kronos, Laine, Sooh, Thane, Hallia

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

☭☭☭☭☭☭

[Darthe]

@Darthe

 

I read the post describing the fact that your votes have been random. I didn't feel that your ignoring the unvote was a part of that.

 

It's a scum tactic to vote someone without unvoting to make it look like you want to move your vote when you really don't. That's why it bugged me.

I blame the mod. I didnt even know unvoting was required until he PMd me.

[Darthe]

 

 

Quick reads list since I have a moment before I try to sleep again...

 

Alanna

Kronos

Monstr

Turin

Lenlo

BFG

Hally

Darthe

Calder

Thane

 

Eldrick

Sooh

Zander

 

I'm really not that confident in my reads yet, I feel like there hasn't been a lot to go off of, just the same "why did you vote x, I don't like that, you only do xyz as wolf, yadda yadda yadda". Basically, there hasn't been a lot of substance and that bothers me as far as D1 goes. As for noting my list, Kronos is my peek, Monstr is giving me good feels. Turin, though I didn't agree with some of his pushes, his responses have been solid enough. Lenlo and BFG slightest town reads because their posts didn't make me want to throw my laptop at the wall. The huge null section either made me want to throw my computer at the wall, has given me no leans thus far, or hasn't posted at all. Nulls are mostly un-ordered. I really really hate having Zander as my lowest read but there is something off and his pushes are not coming off to me as genuine enough. I'm also having a hard time following some of his arguments because they don't make logical sense and I know he knows better than to try and put a square peg in a round hole.

Its difficult to not view you as a wolf when you already have reads on everyone and are tossing several of the most active players in with people who havent posted.

 

We call that disingenuous

What is this? (there you go, a what instead of a why?

 

The only really active player in her nulls is you and she says you're going to be a difficult read. And since when has posting a lot meant anything about getting a read on somebody?

 

 

 

Darthe, BFG's nitpicky silly questions that seem to have no meaning somehow result in her making meaningful reads and I have no idea how she does it but there is method to her maddness. I just wish it made sense.

 

Calder hasn't posted at all.

 

I only remember two posts of Thane's, one is right here on p25 and the other one was a post saying he'd be back or something. I don't remember any kind of meaningful contribution though. Hello, I'm pot, nice to meet you kettle.

 

I'm confident that Darthe will be hard read for me this game per usual unless he does something stunningly townie so I'm waiting for that, please don't let me down. If you do, we can just lynch a wolf.

 

Additionally, Eldrick and Sooh are separated from my null list because they are naturally scummy. Eldrick has kind of been all over the map but I appreciate him trying to get things going at the start of the game. However, I know that Eldrick is perfectly capable of that as a wolf. And I also know that people clear him precisely because he's a unique player and they expect him to do strange things. In regards to Sooh, there were some posts that fell completely flat for me and that's what's giving her a lower read, however I did like her responses to Zander about Turin. So they both kinda have +/- and I'm not sure what to do with either, I guess. Fence sitting, I am. Will sort them latter, definitely.

 

Ummmm anything else.... nopeee.... I'm fixing to go to bed if nobody is online though.

More activity definitely correlaTes with getting a better read.thiz is my criticism of the reads, order, methodology, whatever youd like to use to describe it. I dont like her order or method of getting there and I think the whole thing is more often a wolf laine manner of going about things than a town one.

[BFG]

I know he has had a TON at work lately, so I'm willing to give him a one-off for D1.

Pretty much, but the fact that he's read the thread and shared no reads has me a little concerned but then I think if he was mafia he'd throw something out so :baffled:

[BFG]

^so wait and see what he does in thread

[Darthe]

 

 

And still processing Laine's posts. With a couple of exceptions I like her reads list (Manbat/Sooh, who would both be null for me, although for opposite reasons), although I wish some of the generic statements were fleshed out, which responses of Turins did you like? The only thing quoted is a -ve.

 

Also not sure what to make of her statement about me to Darthe, I know my nitpicky questions frustrate her sometimes but asking people to qualify/quantify reads/votes isn't nitpicky, unless we have different definitions lol.

Totally annoys me, but if your method is to say "why" to everything then ill grit through it like I do with my four year old cousin

Incidentally this isn't 'new' to my game, and you know that?

No, I dont.

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

Quick reads list since I have a moment before I try to sleep again...

 

Alanna

Kronos

Monstr

Turin

Lenlo

BFG

Hally

Darthe

Calder

Thane

 

Eldrick

Sooh

Zander

 

I'm really not that confident in my reads yet, I feel like there hasn't been a lot to go off of, just the same "why did you vote x, I don't like that, you only do xyz as wolf, yadda yadda yadda". Basically, there hasn't been a lot of substance and that bothers me as far as D1 goes. As for noting my list, Kronos is my peek, Monstr is giving me good feels. Turin, though I didn't agree with some of his pushes, his responses have been solid enough. Lenlo and BFG slightest town reads because their posts didn't make me want to throw my laptop at the wall. The huge null section either made me want to throw my computer at the wall, has given me no leans thus far, or hasn't posted at all. Nulls are mostly un-ordered. I really really hate having Zander as my lowest read but there is something off and his pushes are not coming off to me as genuine enough. I'm also having a hard time following some of his arguments because they don't make logical sense and I know he knows better than to try and put a square peg in a round hole.

 

 

Its difficult to not view you as a wolf when you already have reads on everyone and are tossing several of the most active players in with people who havent posted.

 

We call that disingenuous

 

What is this? (there you go, a what instead of a why?

 

The only really active player in her nulls is you and she says you're going to be a difficult read. And since when has posting a lot meant anything about getting a read on somebody?

 

 

 

Darthe, BFG's nitpicky silly questions that seem to have no meaning somehow result in her making meaningful reads and I have no idea how she does it but there is method to her maddness. I just wish it made sense.

 

Calder hasn't posted at all.

 

I only remember two posts of Thane's, one is right here on p25 and the other one was a post saying he'd be back or something. I don't remember any kind of meaningful contribution though. Hello, I'm pot, nice to meet you kettle.

 

I'm confident that Darthe will be hard read for me this game per usual unless he does something stunningly townie so I'm waiting for that, please don't let me down. If you do, we can just lynch a wolf.

 

Additionally, Eldrick and Sooh are separated from my null list because they are naturally scummy. Eldrick has kind of been all over the map but I appreciate him trying to get things going at the start of the game. However, I know that Eldrick is perfectly capable of that as a wolf. And I also know that people clear him precisely because he's a unique player and they expect him to do strange things. In regards to Sooh, there were some posts that fell completely flat for me and that's what's giving her a lower read, however I did like her responses to Zander about Turin. So they both kinda have +/- and I'm not sure what to do with either, I guess. Fence sitting, I am. Will sort them latter, definitely.

 

Ummmm anything else.... nopeee.... I'm fixing to go to bed if nobody is online though.

 

More activity definitely correlaTes with getting a better read.thiz is my criticism of the reads, order, methodology, whatever youd like to use to describe it. I dont like her order or method of getting there and I think the whole thing is more often a wolf laine manner of going about things than a town one.

 

But doesn't allow for the fact that some people are difficult to read. At the moment I don't have much of an opinion on you either. There are aspects of your engagement that I find townish, but your approach to the thread seems odd in places, could just be I'm biased here

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, lets keep this simple

 

Why did you vote Turin?

 

Why are you ignoring the 3/4(?) people who have asked you this question?

I think it's just been you asking it over and over. Maybe Hally too.

 

The answer remains the same as it is for most of my actions in the game so far. I wanted to at that moment. Further, I couldn't give two ****s about my vote yet.

 

I have a question as well. Why do your questions suck so much? They lack depth or interest. They're the 6th grade homework assignment of mafia questions, the tropic slamming expected of a green player.

 

Also, the continuous use of the word "why" is in poor taste don't you think? They actually train psychologists to avoid the word why because it always implies judgement. Consider the difference between "Why is the trash in the house?" and "What's the reason for the trash being in the house?". It's quite substantial, so when i see someone exclusively leaning on why questions I tend to assess them as someone who is trying to create pressure where it doesn't exist.

 

I really do wish you had better questions.

I have literally no idea what you mean by your issue with the use of the word why

 

I think Kronos/Manbat/myself/maybe Hallia have questioned the reasons for your votes, the reason I'm repeating the question is because you're not answering. And at this stage the not answering is more interesting than the answer to the actual question. It's not the most interesting question in the world of ALL TIME, but I'm curious as to why you've avoided answering given that voting is one of the easiest things to hold people accountable for

it's boring and I would rather be lynched than be bored. You're frankly annoying me with it at this point given that it's understood that I vote at near random or for incredibly base reasons in parts of D1 and yet you continue to belabor this point. ARE YOU SATISFIED YOU PLIGHT OF MY SOUL?

Darthe this is a strange look from you, the AtE type posts, self describing Meta read off to me. I dont feel BFG's questions were bad, and ov they werent too bad as others have asked you as well.

Yet you liked Darthe's vote on me which was apparently due to asking him to explain his votes?

Well, thats odd.

 

I do like this so far.

[monstrman]

I don't think I'm difficult to read but somehow people still seem to be incapable of doing it sometimes

[monstrman]

my point being that "difficult to read" is subjective

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

Quick reads list since I have a moment before I try to sleep again...

 

Alanna

Kronos

Monstr

Turin

Lenlo

BFG

Hally

Darthe

Calder

Thane

 

Eldrick

Sooh

Zander

 

I'm really not that confident in my reads yet, I feel like there hasn't been a lot to go off of, just the same "why did you vote x, I don't like that, you only do xyz as wolf, yadda yadda yadda". Basically, there hasn't been a lot of substance and that bothers me as far as D1 goes. As for noting my list, Kronos is my peek, Monstr is giving me good feels. Turin, though I didn't agree with some of his pushes, his responses have been solid enough. Lenlo and BFG slightest town reads because their posts didn't make me want to throw my laptop at the wall. The huge null section either made me want to throw my computer at the wall, has given me no leans thus far, or hasn't posted at all. Nulls are mostly un-ordered. I really really hate having Zander as my lowest read but there is something off and his pushes are not coming off to me as genuine enough. I'm also having a hard time following some of his arguments because they don't make logical sense and I know he knows better than to try and put a square peg in a round hole.

 

 

Its difficult to not view you as a wolf when you already have reads on everyone and are tossing several of the most active players in with people who havent posted.

 

We call that disingenuous

What is this? (there you go, a what instead of a why?

 

The only really active player in her nulls is you and she says you're going to be a difficult read. And since when has posting a lot meant anything about getting a read on somebody?

 

 

 

Darthe, BFG's nitpicky silly questions that seem to have no meaning somehow result in her making meaningful reads and I have no idea how she does it but there is method to her maddness. I just wish it made sense.

 

Calder hasn't posted at all.

 

I only remember two posts of Thane's, one is right here on p25 and the other one was a post saying he'd be back or something. I don't remember any kind of meaningful contribution though. Hello, I'm pot, nice to meet you kettle.

 

I'm confident that Darthe will be hard read for me this game per usual unless he does something stunningly townie so I'm waiting for that, please don't let me down. If you do, we can just lynch a wolf.

 

Additionally, Eldrick and Sooh are separated from my null list because they are naturally scummy. Eldrick has kind of been all over the map but I appreciate him trying to get things going at the start of the game. However, I know that Eldrick is perfectly capable of that as a wolf. And I also know that people clear him precisely because he's a unique player and they expect him to do strange things. In regards to Sooh, there were some posts that fell completely flat for me and that's what's giving her a lower read, however I did like her responses to Zander about Turin. So they both kinda have +/- and I'm not sure what to do with either, I guess. Fence sitting, I am. Will sort them latter, definitely.

 

Ummmm anything else.... nopeee.... I'm fixing to go to bed if nobody is online though.

More activity definitely correlaTes with getting a better read.thiz is my criticism of the reads, order, methodology, whatever youd like to use to describe it. I dont like her order or method of getting there and I think the whole thing is more often a wolf laine manner of going about things than a town one.

But doesn't allow for the fact that some people are difficult to read. At the moment I don't have much of an opinion on you either. There are aspects of your engagement that I find townish, but your approach to the thread seems odd in places, could just be I'm biased here

Odd and different dont equal wolfy. What you just said, by my understanding, is "I find you town but am afraid to commit to that"

 

Is it scary?

[Darthe]

my point being that "difficult to read" is subjective

Yee. Id have me cleared by now but of course I would, I get me.

 

Doesnt mean anyone else has to.

[BFG]

 

 

 

And still processing Laine's posts. With a couple of exceptions I like her reads list (Manbat/Sooh, who would both be null for me, although for opposite reasons), although I wish some of the generic statements were fleshed out, which responses of Turins did you like? The only thing quoted is a -ve.

 

Also not sure what to make of her statement about me to Darthe, I know my nitpicky questions frustrate her sometimes but asking people to qualify/quantify reads/votes isn't nitpicky, unless we have different definitions lol.

Totally annoys me, but if your method is to say "why" to everything then ill grit through it like I do with my four year old cousin

 

Incidentally this isn't 'new' to my game, and you know that?

 

No, I dont.

 

Slightly sceptical look

[Eldrick4221]

He seems so happy to be in the game and he seems like the type of player who enjoys being town more than scum

I do. I really really do.

 

Irt sooh. You addressed your early read on hally. If it was based on her first catchup post, I'm ok with it. I haven't actually gone back to fact check yet. I was basing it on whoever quoted hally's posts and asked how you got a read on them.

 

Back to reading.