the Hunt for the Dragon Reborn [Standard Mafia] Game Over town wins

[Darthe]

That said, maybe I do have a read after all.

 

Shad: slight mafia.

 

It´s strange that he didn´t comment on Turin´s post at first and his reason for voting Dice is a bit thin.

 

This is a very vague read. I´m not at all ready to vote for him yet. But it´s all I have right now.

 

 

Turin - I see what you are saying about Thane. I will think about it.

PLZ EXPLAIN

[Calder]

 

 

I´ve read the thread a little now and then. Focus seems to be on Sooh´s early post(s) and now on Dice´s defense of said post. Sooh could have written that as both alignments and Dice as well so I count them both as null. I will re-read and see if there is something to find.

 

Worst intro yet

 

I'd call it a tie between her and Calder, tbh.

Im offended.

[Darthe]

But overall ok with Tina based on subsequent posts.

So everyone is on the same page. Great. No, thats great. ****ing spectacular

[Darthe]

 

 

 

I´ve read the thread a little now and then. Focus seems to be on Sooh´s early post(s) and now on Dice´s defense of said post. Sooh could have written that as both alignments and Dice as well so I count them both as null. I will re-read and see if there is something to find.

 

Worst intro yet

I'd call it a tie between her and Calder, tbh.

Im offended.

Liking you more

[Verbal32]

 

 

 

 

Verb are you overthinking or am I just retarded?

 

I kinda have this feeling right now, and the only way to put it into words is to compare it to the feeling Albert Pujols gets when he sees a hanging curveball and his eyes get all wide and glossy and he's thinking about the bat flip he'll be doing once he smacks it out of the park.

 

 

This post's shelf life expired in 2010.

 

 

If this is a baseball joke, it went over my head.  I had to remember the last big home run hitter for my post.

 

 

Albert Pujols signed a gigantic contract with the Angels in 2011 and then proceeded to be slightly above-average instead of the baseball god he once was. He pretty much comes out to overpaid / overrated jeers nowadays.

 

Josh Donaldson probably a good person to throw in there for someone more modern. Giancarlo Stanton. Joey Bats.

 

 

Sort of like my mafia career.  Karma obviously made me pick him, lol.

[Verbal32]

 

 

 

I´ve read the thread a little now and then. Focus seems to be on Sooh´s early post(s) and now on Dice´s defense of said post. Sooh could have written that as both alignments and Dice as well so I count them both as null. I will re-read and see if there is something to find.

Worst intro yet

 

I'd call it a tie between her and Calder, tbh.

Im offended.

 

 

I'm Verbal.

[Darthe]

People I wouldn't lynch:

Calder

Zander

Calder

Turin

Calder

 

Lets get'em:

Not Calder

Dice

Thane

That dwarf in my book club who steals my opinions

So this is charming, but seriously are we all saying the same thing? Except for about shad and sooh apparently

[Cory Caboose]

I still think you've got some gas in the tank Verbal.

 

I think there's a chance we're on the same team for like the first time ever too.

[Shad_]

 

im annoyed Thane.

 

no wolfin. why? cause my pm says im not.

 

 

you?

 

Does dice post this as a wolf

 

I know it seems stupid and naive but serious question

 

Does dice post this as a wolf?

 

 

That question crossed my mind too fwiw.  But I need more from him.

[Darthe]

I still think you've got some gas in the tank Verbal.

 

I think there's a chance we're on the same team for like the first time ever too.

Too soon. [V] cory [/v]

[Cory Caboose]

But am I signing you for $254 million over 10 years?

Oh hell no

[Darthe]

No wait, that would be moronic. [V] sooh [/v] again

[Verbal32]

I still think you've got some gas in the tank Verbal.

 

I think there's a chance we're on the same team for like the first time ever too.

 

Good, I switched to diesel years ago just in case.

 

Wait....have we never been v/v before?  Damn.

[Darthe]

 

im annoyed Thane.

 

no wolfin. why? cause my pm says im not.

 

 

you?

I get that you're annoyed. It can be annoying being accused when town and nobody seemingly gets what you really mean. Happens to me all the time. *hands beer* Now, let's continue the game, alright? We'll figure things out

Just getting ready to try to get caught up. Saw this and had to say I really don't like this post.

Dice, buddy. How are you doing?

 

Are you a wolf this game? Why not?

Can someone tell me why I don't?

 

 

 

This is the kind of post that leads to the clique thought. afaik Thane hasn't been mush into the thread aside from the jokey posts at the start of the game. So it reads EXACTLY as what Sooh was talking about. Thane comes in and buddies Z, Cory and Shad. Then his interaction with Dice is the opposite. His stance seems to be that He is convinced that Dice is mafia (for bad reasons IMO) and is in effect trying to get Dice to prove a negative when it should be more on Thane to show why Dice is mafia if that is his take.

 

 

 

Okay. back in a bit

Dude... bolded in the spoiler. You got it wrong. I'm not at all convinced he is mafia. That's what YOU make of it.

Expanding somewhat on my Thane impression.

 

 

 

Zander Cory can we be v/v/v scumslaughter apocalypse?

Jokey? town reading (buddying?)

I wanna keep Cory, that's for sure.. so... either you or Shad, let gameplay decide

 

Best case: we can do V/V/V/V Makes hunting easier, no?

More of the same. Note to self Has Corey as town read. Z and shad as maybe. Then reconsiders as both maybe okay.

 

People are saying these are just jokes but IMO if it is in thread it is valid for dissection. Basically there is nothing from Thane aside from the fluffy stuff until his "restart" post. 1)

So.... let's restart the game!

 

First post!!!

 

Hiyas all

 

Now, let's hunt some wolves, right?

 

ok, now for some thoughts of mine... it's a silly little thought i have, but i get the feeling (<- important word there) that we just might have all town players at the moment. Don't crucify me for that statement later if i'm wrong, but you may worship me if it's true

Everyone is town. Something to keep in mind if Thane should flip mafia later on. 2)

Gut, for now, says:

 

Zander good

Hallia good

Sooh frustrated townie

Turin looking ok, but still cautious

Shad alright; for now

Cory (Wanna make Zan jealous)

snap reads that I was asking about, I think...

his early three buddies are still where they were apparently. Somewhat odd to me that his Shad has a caveat. Can you show/say what is giving you pause on Shad? What is your actual Cory read? wub isn't really alignment indicative to me.

Turin read also couched. Why are you cautious of me? 3)

Dice, buddy. How are you doing?

 

Are you a wolf this game? Why not?

This sounds like you are mafia reading Dice. When did this read develop? 4)

Hi Tina

 

looking forward to your thoughts

quoted just to show the difference in tone between Dice and others.

 

 

 

a few questions inside

1) All fluff, or a lot of it, is normal for me D1. Deal with it. You should know that after the games we did.

2) Ah yes... lol.. right... ok... seriously?

3) Cautious of you because you can hide from others as a wolf. I pinned you last game, so I know what I'm looking for.

4) As i said, that's your interpretation. I never stated i had a wolfread on him. Why are you putting things in other peoples posts that are not there? hmm...

People I wouldn't lynch:

Calder

Zander

Calder

Turin

Calder

 

Lets get'em:

Not Calder

Dice

Thane

That dwarf in my book club who steals my opinions

some reasons for that would be appreciated... to share with others... get to know what you think... and all...

Wolf thane prob doesnt say this to town or wolf dice, so I give thane points here.

[Cory Caboose]

Darthe I'm like 95% sure I know your alignment but I'm not sharing it yet for secret reasons.

Just so you know.

 

You'll be talked about at length when I'm ready 

[Cory Caboose]

We were v/v in Discworld but we don't talk about Discworld.

 

Other than than... Red Wedding/ABBA/House of Cards/Ragnarok. I was a villager in every one and you were a wolf in every one. I got used to lynching you.

[Turin Turambar]

Oh snap shots fired.

 

Howeeeeever.

 

[v] Turin [/v]

 

The interactions I have had with him this far prompt this, mainly around Sooh, but also in regards to Thane.

These are the posts from Hallia that have something to do with me I think. I am going to assume/guess/whatever that her issue with me and Thane has to do with the "backslapping" situation in early game. If not then let me know please.

 

 

 

 

 

I think 8 people have now checked into the game. How many wolves so far?

 

I have a bad feeling about Shad.

Very strange thing to say imo.

Do you have an opinion?

Why do you think it is strange?

What's your opinion? Do you think wolves are fast posters in general?

 

I answered earlier. I will note that Hallia doesn't give her opinion only pushes for mine.

 

Wait, so...I don't understand.  Turin, are you saying I'm wolfy for saying that to Thane?  Or you have me as a villager?  I am confused. 

I answered that also. I looked at all the people that engaged in that with a bit of a sideways glance. 

 

 

Right now what are your snap reads of everyone? Just say who.you legit think is town or mafia. Feel free to leave out the nulls. I'm curious.

 

Right now I will say I am suspicious of all the people that say things like "hopefully we will read each other right" or things like that.

 

Hallia, Shad, Thane jumping into the 4 v's.

 

I actually lean town on Sooh for the controversial post. I just don't see her making that post as mafia. Too likely to draw negative attention.

 

I think rest null. But only on phone so might have missed something.

Why are you suspicious of that?

 

Why are you not? seriously tho I think that I have made my stance on this matter pretty clear. I will explain it again once I get to the Hallia post I have a problem with. 

 

Turn I think you might need to reread what he wrote, and what you asked.

This was irt my discussion with Zander re:  Sooh. I have looked at it and it still reads to me like he was voting more for being upset with Sooh than actually believing she was mafia. Thinking back about it that is actually null for Zander because I have seen him do it as town previously. He actually did it to me when I called him on something but I don't remember what that was and it is water under the bridge to me at least.

 

 

 

 

Oh Zander

 

ThemeThane let us hope this game we can finally clear one another!

corrected by me. She edited it in another post.

Why I don't like these types of posts is because it is begging for a town read IMO. Your phrasing also seems to imply that you already have Thane as town. It seems much too early for such a read to actually exist. 

 

 

 

Hallia, I don't see how my interactions with you (and Thane) result in your vote on me. All I see is that you disagree with my stance regarding the people that have been treating people as town too early.

 

For clarity, what is your read on Thane and why do you have that read?  

[Zander?]

 

Hey IR

 

You town?

Nope. Scummin up a storm.

 

 

 

Theres my Calder

 

<3 <3 <3

 

People commenting on Shad's perceived eagerness to play. Is this unusual for him? He was more reserved as the devil in Clov's game that I played, but his in thread actions werent really all that important (compared to a normal game). So curious.

 

Id say its prolly null at best imo.

 

People I wouldn't lynch:

Calder

Zander

Calder

Turin

Calder

 

Lets get'em:

Not Calder

Dice

Thane

That dwarf in my book club who steals my opinions

 

 

Why would you not lynch Turin? 

 

Cory (primarily about the Sooh post):

 

 

 

 

 

What's funny is this game actually reminded me (intro wise) to the Star Wars Thrawn game that was the first game I played here. I got rassled in by Despot and Tom and SickPuppets; the first like four pages were just me and Tom and SickPuppets joking because nobody else had checked n. Then the entire first half of the game was everyone accusing us of excluding people and reading eachother villager because we were some in-group game saboteurs who just existed to leave other people out.

 

The game ended in me lynching Wolf!Tom and everyone apologizing for making dumb assumptions.

I remember that. Tom was maf. You were 3p, and sp was town. I was suss of tom and Despo(who ended up being pocketed town)

 

You think it is more common or less to have mafia try to join into a "town core" early?

 

 

I don't think a town core forms in the first 5 pages of a game. It takes battle for something like that to be really established, and most of what's happened so far has been jokes amongst friends.

 

If this is specifically about Shad and Zander, I think both of them do what they did in either role, so I'm not really reading into it. They'll be far easier to read later d1 anyway.

 

But the "feels" are strong and initial feels take some work to get past. In that game you resisted going hard at Tom until you were pretty much certain that it was him. You helped lynch him finally and it probably did win the game for town (and yourself by extension). Psychology makes people want to not be wrong about initial reactions. It lets people get cleared in error.  

 

How about Thane? he more likely to join in as either alignment?

 

I'm home. I hate to bring up that post again, but we are going to talk about it at length because it's the first massively alignment indicative post in the game.

Maybe it is just me but I don't really see it that way. I don't think that your breakdown makes that point either. 

 

 

Sorry if this is out of place but I noticed it while digging up these posts. SQUIRREL!!!

 

thats the problem zander   you are voting her for something that isnt alignment indicative at all.

 

I obv disagree.

 

Your defense of Sooh is noted.

 

I think it most certainly could be alignment indicative.

 

Also I find it strange that you dislike my vote but arent voting me.

 

 

 

 

For reference, here's literally the last game I played with Zander (which you were in):

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96361-worlds-end-mafia-town-wins-comprehensively/?p=3582230

 

That's post 19 - he jokingly cleared me and then tinfoiled on me a whole bunch of times on d1 and actually tried to start something with me during n1.

 

I could go back, but this is something he's also done with Laine and Shad and etc. etc.

 

He does it all the time in both roles.

Zander gonna Zander imo

 

lolololololol

Right now what are your snap reads of everyone? Just say who.you legit think is town or mafia. Feel free to leave out the nulls. I'm curious.

 

Right now I will say I am suspicious of all the people that say things like "hopefully we will read each other right" or things like that.

 

Hallia, Shad, Thane jumping into the 4 v's.

 

I actually lean town on Sooh for the controversial post. I just don't see her making that post as mafia. Too likely to draw negative attention.

 

I think rest null. But only on phone so might have missed something.

WHy do you expect people to give snap reads atp Turin?

 

I find these snap reads weird atp, well I find snap reads this early strange in general.

 

But thats just me maybe.

 

I disagree irt Sooh, im not saying shes a wolf atp, but this type of play doesnt necessarily make her Towny imo. Garnering negative early and flipping it like this [ucg]COULD [/u]be played off as AtE which different players interrupt differently.

I'm not sure how to read that other tHan you saying she isn't a wolf. Are you saying that you just aren't sure?

 

 

Dude read all my posts.

 

 

Dice interaction: I doubt that Zander really believes that disagreeing about a vote means that you should be voting that person. People make poor decisions all the time.

Zander can you explain why you think it was alignment indicative? 

 

Back to the vote reasoning, I find it odd that there are multiple "could"s in your reasoning. I mean anything could be a shield. in the post above you say that you aren't saying that she IS A WOLF, but the play doesn't make her townie. Doesn't that make her null? So why vote a null action? 

 

Okay back to the "controversial post' fallout...

 

So here is our impetus:

 

Zander, you posted his name in blue next to yours. Now if that's a joke then just say so and I'll let it go. 

 

 

 

 

For everyone: 

So many of these mafia games lately have started by people who are really excited about playing together, and the rest of us are not important what so ever. I dislike this behavior intensely, because in being exclusively interested in what that one person you're excited about is saying you're also immediately excluding a bunch of people.

 

Player 1 posts, immediate reaction: Oh Player, let's town together! We're going to wreck all the wolves and it will be awesome.

 

Player 2 posts, immediate reaction: Oh yeah? Is that what the wolves told you to say? Are you a wolf?

 

It creates an environment where some people, only based on who they are, are received in a so much better way than others. 

 

 

This post is going to be spoilered in several spots with titles to make it more easy to navigate, because it is going to be a dense, dense post with a lot of dumb corky words. Be warned this is probably going to be the most epic trashpost of my werewolf career and I'm embarassed to make it. Expect tildes in front of words as per usual Corky caveats where he tries to estimate full words instead of numbers.

 

SECTION 1: "Worlds"

 

 

This terminology in Mafia goes by many other names but I've always referred to it as "worlds" and when you see me talking about "There are no worlds where x does y..." type posts I'm referencing the concept of worlds.

It's a very easy concept and something all of us use: when you are looking at a post, what are the reasons they could have posted it as a villager? What are the reasons they could have posted it as a mafia?

 

One of the major things I do is do this post-by-post and see who has done the most stuff that makes sense for a villager to do.

 

I am having a gigantic problem with this post the more I think about it. It's really very simple:

 

My initial reaction was "If Sooh posted this as a wolf, it's pretty emotionally manipulative. She's not a particularly emotionally manipulative wolf, so she's probably a villager." One thing that's very apparent in the post is that Sooh is upset; there's not much of a question on whether that is genuine or not - it is. She's not faking that.

 

However, in terms of reading alignments, this was a bad initial reaction to that post but I could see other people coming to it. I wonder if it's specifically what Turin was thinking.

I think one thing we fail to remember sometimes is that wolves get annoyed / upset for plenty of REAL reasons and therefore it's not always a ~Nolder-type situation where you have to consider whether or not they are faking it to try and get townread. Thinking about it more, I eventually came to this:

 

Here is a world that makes sense to me where Sooh is a wolf:

 

Sooh pops into the thread making a post about being excited after seeing some excitement from villagers (specifically me/Zander/Shad). Eventually Village!Thane and Village!Hallia join that mix, and suddenly there's this odd town core forming of Me/Zander/Shad/Thane/Hallia that Sooh is not in for reasons she doesn't really understand. In a 13er, having five villagers clear eachother immediately is basically a death sentence; the game has become nearly impossible to win only four pages in. Upset that people are just clearing eachother for what seems like ~no reason, she reacts negatively to the thread and questions us on why we are doing it. When it's made more apparent that things were less than serious, she realizes her mistake and tries to have the issue dropped.

 

Here is a world that makes sense to me where Sooh is a villager:

 

[doesn't exist]

 

This is why I need follow-up to this, because I do not understand why she would post that as a villager. Dice brushed up on the fact that there are some notable "DM bromances", but Sooh has played with all of us several times, is an inclusive and beloved member of our Mafia community, and I think if nothing else trusts me to be objective. Could I see an outsider making that post frustrated at the start of the game as a villager? Yes, totally. Sooh? It doesn't make sense to me. I can't understand it, so the first world makes a ton more sense to me: she's just a wolf.

 

 

SECTION II: "Ranges"

 

 

And here is where I struggle intently with reading Sooh.

 

"Ranges" is the ~simple idea of apply meta to a player on a personal level. IE, there are things specific players are more likely to do as villagers and more likely to do as wolves. The now infamous "dice homersimpson post" is a good example of this, even if dice shed that meta like a year ago, but we're looking specifically at player habits.

 

One of the major differences in Sooh's play in both roles is that her village game has a strong emotional component that her wolfgame lacks. This is a relatively common tell for most people, but Sooh typically does not try to get "out of trouble" by throwing a fit because she understands that's a negative thing for the game in general.

 

I remember very specifically when she was getting lynched d1 in House of Cards she started to creep more and more into her village range with her responses and I felt really terrible about the lynch because as much as she was being pushed by literally the whole game and had a 12-player wagon in a 13-player game her responses were not akin to her wolf game.

 

If I were to specifically read that Sooh post knowing her ranges, I would guess she's a villager on it alone. She's more likely as a villager to get ticked off about something relatively ~harmless like that.

 

Unfortunately, this segment of read conflicts with the "Worlds" segment, so I am struggling immensely on getting a correct read.

 

"Mixed" indeed.

 

 

SECTION III: "Afterword"

 

 

First off, thank you for reading this terrible trashpost in which I say a lot of words and do not come up with a meaningful conclusion, but that post is something I want you to think about. Dice has attempted to explain the world in which Sooh is a villager making that post, but I don't buy it. Further input from anyone or Sooh is appreciated.

And in terms of me having "bromances" or a "clique" in Mafia games here, let me say the following:

 

I came here as a Mafia player and nothing but; I did not know any of you, I did not play with any of you before barring Despot, and I did not have any real impression of this forum.

 

The only reason I am still here today is my immense love for the player base here.

 

And honestly, if you meet somebody like Hallia (the sweetest person probably in the entire world) or Laine or BFG or Zander or Shad or literally basically everyone that plays here and do not realize "wow, this is a really frickin' neat person, I should try to befriend them", you are crazy. That goes for you too, Poot, and a whole bunch of people I didn't name. Yes, the games have gotten more volume intense and competitive at times, but I like playing here because we're all friends and that's what makes this game great.

 

So if at times I seem biased or weird because I am friends with someone in the game, please consider the following:

 

A) I will not allow my personal feelings to interfere with me reads and that's something I've strongly spoken about in many games. See: me chastising Zander for misreading Besie in the WE game, etc. My urge to win the game far surpasses any personal feelings I have.

 

B) I'd be an idiot for not being friends with most of the players here. You don't throw away something that awesome.

 

The conclusion is that it is mixed:

 

WORLDS: I do see a world in which Town!Sooh makes that post. you referenced it right in your post. I had a bit of a similar reaction and that was where my post asking about wolves in the thread came from. It also shows a bit of inconsistency as people are being treated differently when there is not enough game related material to justify it. 

 

RANGES: This is telling you that she is more likely town. which do you think is a stronger, more valid read.

 

AFTERWORD: Personal Cory is for Cory personally to digest. I don't doubt your integrity wrt game. 

 

And as for the "wolf world" I wanted to add that I've seen this specific situation play out before.

 

There was a game Tress ran called Wind In The Door where Tom was a wolf and came into the thread immediately upset because me/Monstr/Tina/Pral/someone else (can't remember) were all villagers and village reading each other for "silly" reasons and he immediately starting talking in wolfchat about how he already felt the game was locked because a bunch of villagers united early. Very simple - wolves can get irate when they feel the deck is stacked against them, which I could see Sooh feeling in a specific situation where all or most of the early posters are villagers gladhanding eachother.

 

In that game, Tom managed to get himself out of an early hole but their team did lose pretty comprehensively, so he wasn't wrong.

 

I know that Tom and Sooh are very, very different players but I got weird deja vu over it this game.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. As town I can see Sooh having a similar response to what I did in thinking that somewhere in that pile of "backslapping" there was a wolf trying to get into the town core. Maybe even more than one. Look at it this way, a Town!Sooh sees a bunch of HIGH VOLUME POSTERS getting cozy and then when she questions it she gets different levels of blowback from the entire group. 

 

It was more for the rest of the game than you, if you have no intent to ever explain and just want it dropped.

 

There will be plenty to discuss with time. Turin has said some stuff, enough has happened where you could probably scratch at a read or two even if they aren't super confident.

 

If you were forced to make 3 reads right now, what would they be?

My 3  Shad mafia, Thane maf lean, Tina town lean. Sooh slight town lean. Cory mixed. Zander mixed. Hallia slight maf lean. 

 

okay more than 3 but there you go. 

 

And you know damn well I only want to lynch you if you are a wolf.

 

If you are a villager, figure out some way of making it apparent so I don't have to lose sleep and go through the corky guilt-ridden mental breakdown that occurs when I lead a mislynch. I'm asking as a favor at this point.

This is the same proving a negative thing I didn't like from Thane earlier. 

 

 

I was specifically asking Sooh but feel free to answer Zanderino

 

 

Im not super confident on anyone right now tbqh.

 

Gun To head

 

Thane looks ok.

 

You look ok

 

Hallia looks ok.

 

And this is like 51% sure right now so dont hold me to this.

 

How about Shad??? 

 

I'll do you better, here's four:

 

Turin middling v

Thane light v

Zander light v

Hallia light v

 

Off the top of my head.

 

I reserve the right to change this later as these are all players I read far better with more volume, but this is my inkling.

Same question irt Shad.

 

Oh I get what Sooh was saying now, about 10 hours later:

 

I think she was talking about me asking her if she was a wolf in response to her introduction.

 

Sooh if you are offended that I said that specifically to you (I think I said it to Hallia too?) it's literally just something I say all the time for no reason and is not at all a push on you. You started at the same place everyone else did on my list. I'm just a weird person who pesters now and then.

Here Cory says that he now understands the second half of Sooh's post. Do you see how that could cause Town!Sooh to make that "clique" post?

 

 

 

 

I like that Cory seems to be trying to work out Sooh's alignment. I'm not sure if I totally believe it. Cory did you vote Sooh? I don't remember tbh.

 

What is your case on Dice? I will try to look at it but am running out of playing time for the day.

 

As an aside, the people that haven't posted much really need to get on with it.  

 

@ Turin please dont put questions in a long spoilered post, its hard to respond to and annoying.

 

You didnt see Cory's post on why Dice was Scum?  It's right in the thread, youve had np sifting through Thane's and Shad's tho to start on them.

 

You asked me about how I feel on Shad.  He's null for me right now.  Its gonna take me a little bit to get a solid read on him tbqh.

 

If I missed something to me in these post post the questions separately and Ill answer them.

[Calder]

Darthe - meet me in scumchat immediately. We've got Cory issues.

[Cory Caboose]

Verb did you say how you felt about Hallia yet? If you did I missed it

 

Curious

[Darthe]

Cory has great progression ftr. Thats hard to fake even for him at times

[Calder]

@Zander

 

Turin's assessments and level of effort read town to me. Her and now Cory are people i would have in my gotta be town camp.

 

I call it Camp Wombat.

[Darthe]

Tina pretty solidly town already. If that long analysis is something she does as scum sometimes, lmk with examples. I've seen her in each slot once and that screamed town!Tina to me.

 

(I never voted Dice though.)

She used to be a wolfy townie who made short paragraphs and a long winded but townie sounding wolf. That was like a year+ ago though

[Darthe]

Darthe I'm like 95% sure I know your alignment but I'm not sharing it yet for secret reasons.

 

Just so you know.

 

You'll be talked about at length when I'm ready

Yeah just PM me about it, no biggy

[Thane Vakarian]

 

People commenting on Shad's perceived eagerness to play. Is this unusual for him? He was more reserved as the devil in Clov's game that I played, but his in thread actions werent really all that important (compared to a normal game). So curious.

For me it isn't his eagerness to play. He does like to mafia and IMO he is happier to be mafia than town. What is really pinging me is that he seemed to work a bit too hard to get into the "backslapping" fest that started the game. 

 

Dice, buddy. How are you doing?

 

Are you a wolf this game? Why not?

The fact that you phrased your question in this manner leads me at least to think you were predisposed to thinking that dice was in fact mafia. The second question is superfluous if you have a null read on him. 

 

so what is your actual current read on dice? Reasoning? 

 

My actual read on Dice is null, with very light town lean. I'll need a bit more to be able to read him better. But, seeing it's early in the game, that shouldn't be a problem