[Standard] Chrono Trigger Mafia - Town wins Day 5!

[Leelou]

People like BFG more than me.

 

This is understandable.

She is cuter.

[Turin Turambar]

That was to Leelou if not clear.

[Leelou]

AJ/Z who you think is more likely mafia?

 

Fair enough. Let RNGesus sort them out I guess.

Zander, mostly due to AJ's claim, which I'm pretty sure I already mentioned.

[Clovdyx]

 

People like BFG more than me.

 

This is understandable.

She is cuter.

 

 

Sure, but that doesn't mean I'm not pretty damn adorable.  

[Clovdyx]

The old man stood from the end of the table.  It had been a long day, and Thane had grown weak - or, perhaps, indifferent - from the fighting.  The realm was in shambled, and it was becoming clear that he had lost the support of his people.  More importantly, he was beginning to lose his loved ones.  That cut deeper than any blade.

 

The defeated ruler turned to the angry mob he faced.  Thane attempted to reason one last time.  His pleas fell on deaf ears.  Defeated, he closed his eyes and accepted his fate; he only prayed that the heir to his throne could do a better job than he had.  

 

The first blow sent the crown flying across the room.  The second, nearly his head.  There would not a be a third...

 

Thane was lynched!  He was - 

 

 

 

 

King Guardia, Vanilla Town!

 

 

You are the most powerful person in the land, which is pretty impressive, given that you do literally nothing the entire game and your family keeps getting trucked by monsters.  You put the savior of the world - who becomes your son-in-law - on trial for kidnapping your daughter after she voluntarily went with him at the fair.  You got put on a trial for stealing a shell you didn't take.  You lead the "knights of the square table", who I'm pretty sure are the most worthless protective force in history.  But hey, it's good to be king, right?

 

 

 

 

It is now Night 2!  You have 12 hours to submit your actions!

[Leelou]

 

 

People like BFG more than me.

 

This is understandable.

She is cuter.

Sure, but that doesn't mean I'm not pretty damn adorable.

[Turin Turambar]

 

AJ/Z who you think is more likely mafia?

 

Fair enough. Let RNGesus sort them out I guess.

Zander, mostly due to AJ's claim, which I'm pretty sure I already mentioned.

 

Okay. Do you more believe AJ's claim because he claims to have peeked you as town? How does the questioning way he put out the read impact your decision? 

[Leelou]

 

 

AJ/Z who you think is more likely mafia?

 

Fair enough. Let RNGesus sort them out I guess.

Zander, mostly due to AJ's claim, which I'm pretty sure I already mentioned.

Okay. Do you more believe AJ's claim because he claims to have peeked you as town? How does the questioning way he put out the read impact your decision?

Nope, that choice doesn't make the most sense to me, but I've already poked him about it. Some of the AtE is making me more lean frustrated townie, but it was also bordering on too much and going into scummy territory.

[Leelou]

I'm going back to bed now. Night!

[Turin Turambar]

Okay. Fair enough.

 

Oh yeah it is early there since you are west coast now. 

[Turin Turambar]

Time for me to get to house work now too. These LEGO aren't going to tidy themselves. Would be awesome if they did tho.

[Nolder]

Oh good.

 

Sorry Thane it was you or me buddy.

[Thane Vakarian]

[Niniel]

Hm. Not good. Partly my fault for not voting Nolder. Not sure he is Mafia but he could be.

 

As usual I don't read much during night but I will have time to read tomorrow. I'm confused.

[Andrej]

Shocker. I'll catch up later

[Verbal32]

I don't even care.

[Andrej]

Reads haven't really changed much except Turin looks worse. 0/2 on cases that are generically scummy and let him justify after the fact. "Well Thane wasn't playing like a townie, so..." and whatnot. Hes using his vote wel if he's a wolf because it's been influential in getting back to back mislynches.

 

Nolder's claim is null cause it can be either alignment. Self pres is null. Overall just null and that's not a good thing atp.

 

Zander/Turin/Nolder?

 

Should be noted that if two townies die toNight D3 will be LyLo. Which may actually not be so bad considering how things have played out.

[Andrej]

I don't even care.

I feel you bruv.

 

Win this one in LyLo if I get got?

[Zander?]

Im sorry I fell asleep.  Gonna get caught up now.

[Zander?]

 

Ill probably miss deadline. ATM im deciding between AJ and Thane. Its possible that whoever doesnt get lynched today I will shoot. Dunno. Will probably decide that after flips.

That sounds foolish.

 

 

I wonder why?

 

Sure.

 

If he flips wolf then turbo lynch Zander D3 imo.

 

Just out of curiosity what if he flips Town? \

 

It seems like you think its ok for Scum!Zander to mislynch townies or am I missing something?

[Verbal32]

 

I don't even care.

I feel you bruv.

 

Win this one in LyLo if I get got?

 

 

I'll try, but I'm not incredibly confident in my ability to not drive the town off a cliff in this game.

[Leelou]

 

 

I don't even care.

I feel you bruv.

 

Win this one in LyLo if I get got?

I'll try, but I'm not incredibly confident in my ability to not drive the town off a cliff in this game.

Eat your Wheaties and let's win this one.

[Zander?]

Hallia you're on the wrong wagon imo

 

Again I find it funny you call me out for TMI,,,,When this once reeks of it coming from you.

 

Wanna note that Zander hasn't taken the opportunity to try and lynch his other scum read even though he was the only vote on me for a good bit of time.

 

I fell asleep but that aside.

 

I wonder why?

 

 

 

[unvote]

[v] Nolder [/v]

 

And with that, I sleep

H8 u

 

 

Am I missing something here?

 

 

this is hard. i don't like Thane's readlist but is he mafia? Too little time and I'm going to work soon.

 

Nolder disappeared and I don't like that. Would probably vote him heiress Thane but that is because of lack of posts more rhan what he has posted.

 

Feeling very unsure on both. I'll stick with AJ. If it weren't because of Ate and claim he would be a clear lynch.

 

[v] AJ [/v]

 

This looks pretty good coming from Tina imo.  Prolly not voting her this game.

[Zander?]

Thane:

 

 

 

ofcourse you would, Hallia.

 

No, Len, I don't have better. For the moment, I still need to figure out most of the players here. I am trying to resist putting people who suspect me down the null line towards the wolf border.

Try harder. Seriously Thane, Look at your ISO and ask yourself if you really deserve to be town read at this point. I think if you are being honest with yourself that you have to say  "NO.". That being the case is it realistic to suss people for sussing you.

 

 

 

Should also be noted that both Zander and Nolder think I am scum with the other and yet have barely interacted at all this game.

I'd like people to weigh in on this.

 

working on it, AJ. Writing a commented reads list at this point.

 

I just read last few pages and it is nearing my time to sleep. I will be back in the morning for DL.

 

Not sure what to make of AJ. I think I will Sleep on it.

 

[V] Thane [/v]

 

He is my other choice Anyway. Maybe competing trains to force some opinions?

 

Good night.

[v] Turin [/v]

 

I'll get to reasoning in a moment.

 

I vote Thane as he was a red read for me and I'm going back and forth about AJ's claim. He votes me back promising "reasons".

 

 

Thane is a King *nods*

AndreJ : claimed town PR, with 2/6 votes on him. Feels like a very frustrated townie for me. I seriously doubt that he would do a mental breakdown as scum. Would be a bastard move if he actually did. I will go with his claim. I don't understand people still voting claimed PR's.

Lenlo: claimed PR... sorta Vig... déjà vu, anybody? No, seriously.. Kinda feel this comes out of nowhere. Why the claim? Why so soon? No pressure on him, at all. IF actually PR, then bravo for outing a second PR D2.... it could have waited imo. Unless otherwise, still going with the claim, for now. But less certain than AJ

Leelou depends on wether or not AJ is really a town PR. Has been read as town. So.... 1+1, i by AJ's claim, so this could be legit (if not GF). 

Verbal's interactions are good. Involvement is good. His questions and replies are good. I just have nothing bad to point out at this moment. Should I be worried about that? Not at this point.

 

Hallia claimed 'informed townie', and everybody buys it. No second guesses what so ever. I wonder if that's a smart thing to do. You know who is town when playing as a wolf too.... wouldn't clear her too soon. She's looking ok, but not 100% clear for me. Call it paranoia. I would like to think of it as healthy suspicion. Also, putting a third vote on a player that has been mentioning he's catching up, especially in a low activity hybrid game? I dunno.

Zander... wow.... there's something. With everything going on, I still have a slight town lean on him. if only slight. I know he can be absolutely wrong on players and push townies 'till they die, but yeah... Zander, re-evaluate your game. You can do better imo. 

Nolder is a mystery to me. I still have troubles reading him in general. He seems ok to me, but with a little hint of 'be careful' in the back of my mind. Trying not to get too influenced by the general trend of people sussing him. Would like to see how he plays this week. 

 

Tina was on my radar early game. Some weird stuff going on there. More recent posts were looking ok to me. Still, she's voting a claimed PR, which is odd. One shouldn't do that imo. Added to the D1 stuff, she's low on my list. Usually a player would re-evaluate after seeing some claims, but i don't get that here. Even though she gave her reasons why, still.... not a good look. 

Turin don't get the town!Turin impression he gave off last game we played in. At all. Mainly at the bottom of my list due to PoE at this point, but I don't feel bad about putting my vote there. 

 

Before you ask: YES, these are in order, town to wolf. Yes, it took me some time to do this, so if you voted for pressure... now you don't have that as an excuse anymore. You people need to learn to chill.

 

His ordered reads list. I disagree with most of it which is fine. Different people can think different things. My problem with it is that it looks fake because the results don't seem to flow properly from the thoughts. 

 

AJ: says feels like frustrated town- valid. But saying that his AtE would be bastard as town is just ridiculous. I mean That is just a bit simplistic to me. This game is about deceit you know. If all it takes is to claim a PR to avoid a vote then the game will always end poorly for town.

Lenlo: throws all sorts of shade at Lenlo while saying still gonna trust the claim. 

Leelou: is town because he believes AJ. Fair enough but AJ has doubt on his own result. Outside of the peek what is your view of her?

Verb: I assume you have him as town? (I do too FWIW). Does it trouble you that he has questions about AJ?

Hallia: The reason people are most secure with Hallia's claim is that she actually put something into the thread before she claimed that supports her claim. (I had some doubt originally but it was about 95% legit when it happened and since then more has come out that looks really good for Hallia) Again, Do you think that you deserve to be town read?

Zander:Slight town read but he is in yellow? what do the colours mean then? Is Hallia town then too? If you want him to re-evaluate then you must think he is town. Your thoughts don't seem to follow your order.

Nolder: This sounds null to town from your words. This feels like a fluffy read. 

Tina: You have her low for being on your radar early game. Why was she on your radar? Now you have her as suspect because she is voting a claimed PR. Fine. She acknowledged that she didn't trust him for his play despite his claim. Others have expressed the same concern. Lenlo actually revoted him before voting you. Does that move Len down your list? Your reasoning is alien. 

Turin: I am your one red read because of gut/feel? and PoE? I know I'm town and am even more confident you are a wolf. 

 

My vote wasn't for pressure. 

Please explain who you actually think are wolves in your yellow section cause it really isn't cler. I think that may be on purpose tho.

Verbal as first, I'm ok with. Turin has my vote 'cause I think he's a wolf this game. Hallia is just being weird, in a bad way. She could have seen that I was working on it. So, either she doesn't care about what i write or she's ignoring it on purpose.

 

As for your game, Zander. Why the entire discussion with AJ? D2 feels all about that. And it drowns out everything else. It's not really scumhunting, it's looking at one player, get everybody looking into that and the wolves getting away. That's my pov.

Bold: That is a solid reason

 

I don't care if you like it Hallia. It's where I am in the game. But, I doubt anybody really cares what I think. The votes are just gonna stay on me for weak reasons and I might die. And I don't really care. When I get mislynched, i hope people will look into the players voting and the weak reasoning. *nods*

What is it with all the emo in this game? How are the reasons weak? did you look at what I put down on you previously? 

 

I'm not convinced AJ. 

 

People vote me to get my list. Then I give a list, they don't like it, keep their vote on. Silly, at the least. And a WEAK REASON. 

 

Meh, I'll do paperwork, I'm getting annoyed.

Who said that they were voting you to get your list? I know I' didn't. So how is my reason weak?

 

 

 

Verbal as first, I'm ok with. Turin has my vote 'cause I think he's a wolf this game. Hallia is just being weird, in a bad way. She could have seen that I was working on it. So, either she doesn't care about what i write or she's ignoring it on purpose.

 

As for your game, Zander. Why the entire discussion with AJ? D2 feels all about that. And it drowns out everything else. It's not really scumhunting, it's looking at one player, get everybody looking into that and the wolves getting away. That's my pov.

 

ARE YOU FOR REAL??? YES!!!

 

D2 as been mostly me an AJ because no one else besides Hallia and Lenlo bothered to show up!!!!  When you think someone is scum and you go back and forth its not scum hunting?  AJ;s primary focus has been me as well but youre fine with that, It's what you get when the day starts in the middle of the weekend, dude. A lot of players simply aren't online.

 

I call BS I call people voting me BS

 

Turin has your vote cause "you think" hes a wolf and that its.  Or is it cause hes voting you?  Or both?  Still seems pretty weak imo He's the weakest player to me.  So he has my vote.

 

As far as Hallia you were in GnD and this is pretty much the exact same thing.  You beleive AJ's claim and Len's but not Hallia's imo, hers is prolly the most believable couple that with her gameplay and I dont see how anyone is reading her as anything but Town, I'm still not buying it. She gets off without any suspicion, which in itself is suspicious to me

 

Also as far as your reads list....how are you getting your Leelou vibe?  If AJ hadnt said he "peeked" her would she still be that strong. Nope, depends fully on wether or not AJ is telling the truth here. His peek seems legit, she'd have been a peek of mine too. 

 

Im not really buying what youre selling here man. I'm giving it for free, no need to buy

 

 

Why do you call people voting you BS? Again, look at your game and ask yourself if it is unreasonable for people to have you in their lynch pool. 

 

Explain WHY I am the weakest player in your opinion. You are basically just saying Turin is a wolf because Turin is a wolf. Show your work Thane. I don't think you can because your read and your vote are bogus because you are a wolf. You think my resaoning for voting you is bogus then come show why.

 

Hallia's claim is the best of all three because it is the ONLY one that has evidence put into the thread prior to the claim. She gave her Yates is town post and breadcrumbed being informed. She used that read in asking questions of Verb. It all makes sense. You are perfectly fine giving AJ the benefit of the doubt to the point of reading Leelou town exclusively off his peek and casting shade at someone that is pretty obvious town IMO (Tina) because she doesn't believe  him.  Why is it okay for you to question Hallia but not okay for Tina to doubt AJ? Do you think that AJ has been obvious town this game?

 

What is your read on Leelou independent of AJ's peek? Same question about the other claims(AJ, Lenlo, Hallia)?

 

 

He was a lot more active and pursuing in the last game we played together, where he was also town. Missing that here. 

Okay. Basically the only time I haven't been present was when it was family time at my home. And when I was out on my delayed honeymoon. So yeah, get over it.  I haven't been pursuing? I've been wrong but I haven't been sitting on the sidelines like "some other people".  Maybe if you were actually here you would have seen it. Or maybe your just a wolf.

 

Probably the second one.

 

 

Would you consider voting Nolder before you go?

 

We can always get Turin another day and if it means saving yourself all the better.

I have been contemplating that, yes. I'll see how things will go for the next hour. Then I will or will not change the vote. We shall see. 

 

Cause it is good to just vote people you have town reads on to keep yourself alive. Well it must be the town thing to do.   

 

See below for reference. I guess it is going to be a short week.

Nolder is a mystery to me. I still have troubles reading him in general. He seems ok to me, but with a little hint of 'be careful' in the back of my mind. Trying not to get too influenced by the general trend of people sussing him. Would like to see how he plays this week.

 

 

Town/flip: AJ's peek credible. Outing himself as a PR made him a target nonetheless. Don't think he'd play like he did as wolf. 

 

Wolf/flip: GF dead, always good. 

Why would he not make a claim that buys him at least another day? If his count of the numbers is right and tomorrow could be mylo then he pretty much gets himself free thru that too because it will be  "too risky" to test his claim then. Also why would a Leelou town flip make AJ's view credible? mafia would know who the townies are and could pick one to view. In fact the way AJ framed his view that he expected a red view so is still doubting Leelou gives him room to even vote her later.

 

So if he lives thru the night do you doubt his claim any?

 

 

 

tl;dr

 

Thane has done NOTHING this entire game to deserve a town read but seems to think it is reasonable to OMGUS people that aren't town reading him. His "reasons" don't match up with his ranking in his own reads list. Said reads list is full of hedges. He has no real reason for his vote on me and has mischaracterised my reasons for voting him.  

 

He is a wolf. lynch him.

 

How do you feel about him now Turin...

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

At least AJ appears to be trying.

All I see Zander doing is arguing.

 

And arguing is a Scum tell for me Nol???  Not like I havent argued with people as Town before.

 

lolololololololol

 

 

With hybrid hammer it's a lot easier than usual, probably, not really but he's doing better than Zander atm imo.

 

 

Explain how so.

 

Sorry I've been drinking did that not make sense? I meant that AJ looks better than Zander imo.

 

Leelou I'm BPV.

 

Convenient.  Not buying this claim theres already what 3 claims out there plus others who havent claimed anything yet.

 

So now theres 4 and 2 of which arent real imo.  Nolder's and AJ's.

[Zander?]

I'm confused why he has so many votes tbh.

Thinking I might switch my vote just to save myself since I'm not totally sold on him being town anyway.

 

 

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Thane[/v]

 

alright well no one can say I didn't try to prevent my mislynch 

 

gl!

 

The ole AJ self pres trick eh.

Its funny to me that both of my top suspects had to do this.

 

 

I guess Lenlo could be legit since it would make sense balance wise with my vest but that leaves AJ and Hallia up in the air imo.

 

It's all kind of a mess right now tbh.

 

Of all the claims Hallia's is imo the most believable.  Why are you having trouble buying it Nol?

 

 

 

 

Leelou, out of AJ, Thane and Nolder who do you think is most likely mafia?

I have Thane and Nolder as scummy reads. Nothing that Thane has said really makes me feel that much better about him, but I'm also confused by Nol's vote now and answers to your questions. None of his posts seem to really clarify anything. For me AJ is tied to Zander.

Of Thane and Nolder which independently is worse to you?

 

So you think AJ/Z are w/v? one way or the other?

Well, Nol's claim could be either scum or town role. The whole ordeal around the Tina post misread and vote made me lean slightly towards scum on Nol, but then he seemed to readjust. His being gone for the original deadline and not checking in til this late to see if there was an extension or not feels meh.

 

Thane's list just feels so vastly different and I'm not really sure how you ended up in the bottom spot at PoE when he seems to have so many people unresolved.

 

They both independently have scum qualities to me.

 

AJ/Zander, yes I'm getting more of a town/scum vibe from their arguing.

 

 

 

 

Okay Leelou.

 

Looks like it is basically your call atm. I have Thane worse than Nolder. I'm not switching as I would rather have Thane lynched but am alright with Nolder lynch as he is only null to slightly mafia to me.

Actually right now it looks like it will be between the two of them. I'm okay with that.

 

 

Way to take a strong stance.

 

Couple this with the fact AJ "claimed" to peek her Town but still thinks she may be scum and the GF talk.  ANd her keeping her vote on Thane who is now a confirmed Townie. ANd the fact I havent seen Verb give her a Town read yet.

 

Scum team

 

AJ/Nolder/Leelou?

 

 

 

People like BFG more than me.

 

This is understandable.

She is cuter.

 

 

Sure, but that doesn't mean I'm not pretty damn adorable.  

 

 

I vouch this.

 

The chin is majestic.

 

The old man stood from the end of the table.  It had been a long day, and Thane had grown weak - or, perhaps, indifferent - from the fighting.  The realm was in shambled, and it was becoming clear that he had lost the support of his people.  More importantly, he was beginning to lose his loved ones.  That cut deeper than any blade.

 

The defeated ruler turned to the angry mob he faced.  Thane attempted to reason one last time.  His pleas fell on deaf ears.  Defeated, he closed his eyes and accepted his fate; he only prayed that the heir to his throne could do a better job than he had.  

 

The first blow sent the crown flying across the room.  The second, nearly his head.  There would not a be a third...

 

Thane was lynched!  He was - 

 

 

 

 

King Guardia, Vanilla Town!

 

 

You are the most powerful person in the land, which is pretty impressive, given that you do literally nothing the entire game and your family keeps getting trucked by monsters.  You put the savior of the world - who becomes your son-in-law - on trial for kidnapping your daughter after she voluntarily went with him at the fair.  You got put on a trial for stealing a shell you didn't take.  You lead the "knights of the square table", who I'm pretty sure are the most worthless protective force in history.  But hey, it's good to be king, right?

 

 

 

 

It is now Night 2!  You have 12 hours to submit your actions!

 

RIP Brother.