[Standard] Chrono Trigger Mafia - Town wins Day 5!

[Yates]

[Lenlo]

 

 

I didn't say wolfy at any point.

There was alot of subtle implications that you thought it was wolfy.

Look - even if she *did* waffle on her read - how is that scummy? Don't you think Town waffle as much or more than scum?

I never said it was scummy, but I wanted to pressure her on it to both to get her to clarify her read on me and to see how she would react.

 

As for who does it more, depends on the person. Why are you defending her so hard so early?

[Zander?]

Yeah, I read it.

 

Like I said earlier today, I didn't like how suddenly with my lynch viable Zander wanted to start questioning me all over again and couldn't make a call on my slot. I've interacted with him a good bit this game and have been spoon feeding him answers at every turn whenever he asks. Yet he still is wishy washy? That bugs me.

 

Maybe I dont like what youre trying to feed me but yet because Im hungry Im still willing to eat some??

 

Show me if im missing something but is the only reason youre sussing me is cause I cant confirm you, a very good player, on D1 with a solid read one way or the other?

 

 

 

Yeah, I read it.

 

Like I said earlier today, I didn't like how suddenly with my lynch viable Zander wanted to start questioning me all over again and couldn't make a call on my slot. I've interacted with him a good bit this game and have been spoon feeding him answers at every turn whenever he asks. Yet he still is wishy washy? That bugs me.

Consider it a compliment and a sign that he respects your game?

 

 

I do and Ive said as much ITT.

 

 

Most genuine: Leelou. I chalk it up to us not playing together very much recently here on DM.

 

Least: Lenlo.

Am I scum reading you?

 

Zander: <3

 

 

I dont know.  Are you?  It seems like youre asking a lot of questions trying to figure it out imo.  Can you give me a read on Hallia Len?

 

<3

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

 

Gifs have been banned for the rest of the day.

[BFG]

Chris GOAT

[Andrej]

The other concerns weren't worth addressing. I have already talked to Verb about what he had to say with my wording. It's semantics. Look at my progression on Tina and you'll see the consistency for yourself. Just because I called out Nolder's mistake doesn't imply I was town reading her.

 

Also what am I supposed to say about not playing "as you expect"? Ok. I could say the same for you. Maybe I'm a little rusty but the game had a slow start and although I was grinding my teeth at some points (see my rant at Lenlo) I didn't want to force the thread to the pace I wanted and get pushy in the first 24 hours. Even so, I still doubled like everyone in posts by the end of yesterday and very few of them weren't explicit game content. I'm here, I'm invested. THAT is town AJ. I can't force interactions and I made my reads at the time with what I had.

[Yates]

Why are you defending her so hard so early?

I'm not defending her so much as challenging your logic. That said; she *is* currently a Town read. Also, as I stated in a post to her, I think you and Leelou were being pretty hard on her. And since I think she's Town and your accusation didn't make sense to me I hope you understand why your line of questioning required scrutiny - especially since you are here to interact irt.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

Gifs have been banned for the rest of the day.

 

 

 

 

[Lenlo]

 

Why are you defending her so hard so early?

I'm not defending her so much as challenging your logic. That said; she *is* currently a Town read. Also, as I stated in a post to her, I think you and Leelou were being pretty hard on her. And since I think she's Town and your accusation didn't make sense to me I hope you understand why your line of questioning required scrutiny - especially since you are here to interact irt.

If I was being hard, it was warranted. The posts of hers were very close together and yet said different things.

[Hallia]

But as said, I was reading the entire thread. It should be a no-brainer to see why a read would change.

[Lenlo]

But as said, I was reading the entire thread. It should be a no-brainer to see why a read would change.

All the posts I'm referencing came right after or near the end of your catch up.

[Hallia]

You're saying an opinion cannot be changed over a couple of pages? Easch post covered around 4-7 pages.

[Zander?]

The other concerns weren't worth addressing. I have already talked to Verb about what he had to say with my wording. It's semantics. Look at my progression on Tina and you'll see the consistency for yourself. Just because I called out Nolder's mistake doesn't imply I was town reading her.

 

Also what am I supposed to say about not playing "as you expect"? Ok. I could say the same for you. Maybe I'm a little rusty but the game had a slow start and although I was grinding my teeth at some points (see my rant at Lenlo) I didn't want to force the thread to the pace I wanted and get pushy in the first 24 hours. Even so, I still doubled like everyone in posts by the end of yesterday and very few of them weren't explicit game content. I'm here, I'm invested. THAT is town AJ. I can't force interactions and I made my reads at the time with what I had.

 

I feel that they are AJ.

 

Im not playing as you expect.  Ive stated as much, others have also stated it.  After GnD people were saying they couldnt play because of massive post counts.  Cory mentored me recently and tried to get me to cut down and to try and be more concise.

 

You have been around a lot AJ but I dont think that mean you cant do the same as Scum!AJ.  Im not even voting you yet man, you just havent sold me as Town!AJ.  And as I proven numerous times, post counts arent always alignment indicative.

 

I feel ive explained myself as well as I can irt to you.  You dont have to agree with it but dont dismiss stuff.

[Lenlo]

You're saying an opinion cannot be changed over a couple of pages? Easch post covered around 4-7 pages.

All the posts I'm referencing came right after or near the end of your catch up. Meaning you were basically current.

[Hallia]

Except when I called you null initially, before you started dropping, it was one of the earlier.

[Verbal32]

Yates- Yates has been on point, involved and engaging, he's also been explaining things out and almost acting like an intermediary when theres been a disconnect between players.  That being said Yates is also 100% capable of fooling me but as of now, no one feels Townier then he does to me,

Hallia- Wasnt a fan of the Yates town read joke thing,  But Hallia has picked it up considerably after that.  Hallia like me doesnt always convey things clearly and also like me marches to the beat of her own drum. But Hallia's biggest town tell is volume and presence and I highly doubt Scum!Hallia cant replicate this imo.

Verb- He started off slow but has really picked it up.  And other then Hallia I think were seeing eye to eye on things which makes me feel better about him, 

Lenlo- I still cant believe im typing this.  But after his catch up hes feeling more involved and Lenlolike and fwiw this doesnt feel like Matirx or GnD to me,

 

Lee- Will need to look her over to form a better read.  I dont have a lot of experience with her.

Thane- Once I see his reasoning for reads Ill have a better idea of how to read him. 

Turin- Hasnt done nothing to ping me really so thats a good sign but ive also totally read him wrong the last couple games.  Will need more time to figure out.

 

Tina- Has been weird. but thats not totally uncommon for her. Ive liked her catchup posts more so theres that going for her.

AJ- Well heres the tough spot.  I felt he was defensive irt to me.  I havent liked some of his responses in regards to me.  And I feel like some of the stuff hes tried to sell us on like the constancy thing with Verb, hes backed down on.  My biggest thing is that Im not seeing Boss Town!AJ which Ive come to expect.

 

Nolder- His scum meta is to derp so to speak a bit.  I can kinda see where he came from irt to the Tina thing but still its hard to shake that feeling like hes well into his scum range.  I also think there may be ties between him and AJ.

Dice- Straight up doesnt feel like Town Dice to me.  He's been overly jokey.  No votes as of yet which is kind of uncommon for Town DIce imo.  No strong stances.  And really hes made a few solid game posts but there few and far between.

 

[v] Dice [/v]

 

Not my strongest scum read ever but my reads have also been pretty crappy lately.  Theres still some time left before DL to see what shakes out.  But atp prolly willing to lynch out of my bottom 4.

 

Be wary of the bold red - it is a very common scum tactic.

 

 

 

 

So I said te above before reading this:

 

 

Yates- Yates has been on point, involved and engaging, he's also been explaining things out and almost acting like an intermediary when theres been a disconnect between players.  That being said Yates is also 100% capable of fooling me but as of now, no one feels Townier then he does to me,

Hallia- Wasnt a fan of the Yates town read joke thing,  But Hallia has picked it up considerably after that.  Hallia like me doesnt always convey things clearly and also like me marches to the beat of her own drum. But Hallia's biggest town tell is volume and presence and I highly doubt Scum!Hallia cant replicate this imo.

Verb- He started off slow but has really picked it up.  And other then Hallia I think were seeing eye to eye on things which makes me feel better about him, 

Lenlo- I still cant believe im typing this.  But after his catch up hes feeling more involved and Lenlolike and fwiw this doesnt feel like Matirx or GnD to me,

 

Lee- Will need to look her over to form a better read.  I dont have a lot of experience with her.

Thane- Once I see his reasoning for reads Ill have a better idea of how to read him. 

Turin- Hasnt done nothing to ping me really so thats a good sign but ive also totally read him wrong the last couple games.  Will need more time to figure out.

 

Tina- Has been weird. but thats not totally uncommon for her. Ive liked her catchup posts more so theres that going for her.

AJ- Well heres the tough spot.  I felt he was defensive irt to me.  I havent liked some of his responses in regards to me.  And I feel like some of the stuff hes tried to sell us on like the constancy thing with Verb, hes backed down on.  My biggest thing is that Im not seeing Boss Town!AJ which Ive come to expect.

 

Nolder- His scum meta is to derp so to speak a bit.  I can kinda see where he came from irt to the Tina thing but still its hard to shake that feeling like hes well into his scum range.  I also think there may be ties between him and AJ.

Dice- Straight up doesnt feel like Town Dice to me.  He's been overly jokey.  No votes as of yet which is kind of uncommon for Town DIce imo.  No strong stances.  And really hes made a few solid game posts but there few and far between.

 

[v] Dice [/v]

 

Not my strongest scum read ever but my reads have also been pretty crappy lately.  Theres still some time left before DL to see what shakes out.  But atp prolly willing to lynch out of my bottom 4.

 

This post was basically copy/pasted from my brain. We might be secret masons after all... There is way too much mind melding in here for Zander to be faking it so he just locked himself Town for me in one post.

 

I'm particularly a fan of his Hally read as well as his thoughts on the bottom 5. We may disagree slightly on where AJ is ranked but I completely believe his thought process for having AJ exactly where he does.

 

 

This pings, and I'm not going to explain why.

 

Yet.

[Lenlo]

Except when I called you null initially, before you started dropping, it was one of the earlier.

I'm not talking about your first post of the catchup or whatever. Your shifting goalposts. In your final post of catchup you put me below null, then when asked to clarify you called me Null, Nolder not null.

 

I will get quotes when I'm home, cause at this point your just being difficult and it's annoying.

[Zander?]

Like to see some reads lists from other players as well please.

[Verbal32]

Like to see some reads lists from other players as well please.

 

Yeah, I'll get out a color coded one before I leave work today.  I need to reread some stuff and maybe ISO somebody.

[Hallia]

I'm not being difficult, I think you're misunderstanding. That list was a willing to lynch, not wolf/town. I was ambivalent towards them for lynching. You I was willing to. That's it.

[Hallia]

Hmmmm. With Verbs stance there on Yates I'm leery of him moreso.

[Lenlo]

I'm not being difficult, I think you're misunderstanding. That list was a willing to lynch, not wolf/town. I was ambivalent towards them for lynching. You I was willing to. That's it.

I will bring quotes

[Hallia]

Ok. Til then I'm dropping it, because clearly it's not working.

[Lenlo]

I acknowledge this argument is possible derailing and really not doing much most likely, but I simply can't let it sit.

[Hallia]

I went back myself.

 

 

Cutting back on quotes as I get closer to current page.  Makes it easier that way.

 

P15

I like Tina’s catch up.  I think she responded in a towny way.

P16&17

 

I think I am actually going to add Yates to my town pile for legit for now. 

Hnnng.  Verb’s catching up and points on AJ are making me doubt myself there, but I am keeping an open mind.  Also AJ’s read on Zander, I don’t like this.

 

P18:  Annnddd I don’t like Len’s vote on Dice at all.

 

I agree with Yates; AJ is not an easy read at the moment.  I want him to be town, though.

 

P 20

What say you now Leelou?

 

Still waiting on Hallia to explain that Yates spot read thing. There was no definitive space showing it was a joke or whatnot in her post that she asked me to look for, she even listed him first. So...was that whole post a joke or were the 2 townish ones real?

 

You know, going through, I didn't quote much of you.  Two points I agreed with you on.  And then there was this.  I didn't like the whole Dice thing.  This was on page 18.  With the + from the two agreements, and then the - from the Dice issue, is why I have you as null.  HOWEVER.  With the interaction with me afterwards, it allowed me to put you as willing to lynch, and from there, made subsequent arguments regarding my read of you and why I am WTL.