[Basic]: Friends Mafia

[LilyElizabeth]

 

 

 

 

I'm gonna reread when I get to work today, cuz I can't mq on my phone and know I forgot some stuff I wanted to respond to.

 

Sooh's vote felt like a joke vote. It was null to me, and didn't feel at all like Sooh and Turin being on a team together. Someone pointed out that 2 votes matter when there's only 9 people (5 to lynch) and that is why I reacted so strongly to there already being 2 votes on someone. Felt like someone taking advantage of a vote vote to get closer to a lynch. I didn't read Turin's vote as a joke vote.

 

Irt my comment at shad. I know having a headache affects gameplay. I just didn't want to see you use it as an excuse to lurk.

 

This post feels scummy to me. It's as if he doesn't want attention. "Nothing to see here..."

 

WTV Eld today

 

 

I don't know if I'd call it "Nothing to see here", but I don't really like that post either. "Someone pointed out that 2 votes matter, so that's why I reacted so strongly" seems like an awkward excuse?

 

If you do want to vote Eld, why are you not voting Eld?

 

 

My vote wasn't a joke. Sooh's may have been. If Thane had gotten to say 4 votes and Sooh kept her vote on what would you be thinking then?

 

I vote who I think is mafia. I don't really care how many votes they have unless it is hammer or L-1.

 

Looking forward to what you gain from rereading.

Wait. Does this mean you already at that point thought Thane was mafia?

 

 

 

I thought that was clear that his vote was not a joke at that point?

 

The back and forth between Eld and Sooh is odd. Eld you really seem to be driving hard at Sooh for what is, to me, nothing too scummy? From recollection, Sooh does tend to put a joke vote out there and then just wait until she is ready to vote for whoever she wants. Your back tracking about Turin could be a townie thing to do, admitting you were wrong, but it could also be an effort to try and turn eyes away from you. I'm not ready to vote for you yet, but of everyone you seem the scummiest.

 

 

A couple of reasons I'm not voting Eldrick:

1) Like I said before, every vote is a big deal in a game this small. We have time. That's why I asked about a deadline. 

2) He can't always be scum, and I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt until I can't anymore. He'll get there soon enough if he's scum. 

 

 

 

 

And that is so not the only way. Cop could view him.

 

Statements like this make me think the scum team is Eldrick and Thane again. 

Wth

 

Vote Eldrick

 

Is the post quoted here the post that changed your mind? I'm curious because these two posts by you were 3 minutes apart. It seems a bit odd. 

Since you think the team is Thane and Eldrick would you be willing to vote Thane?

 

 

Yes it was that post. I was catching up, so that's why my posts were so close in time. I post as I go when I'm catching up. 

[Niniel]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 
Eld (2) - Sooh, Shad
Thane (1) - Turin
Lily (3) - Eld, Hallia, Zander
 
Not voting: Thane, Tab, Lily

With 9 players alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Tuesday 9 PM CET. 
Countdown

 

[LilyElizabeth]

 

Good morning!

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Eld (2) - Sooh, Shad

Thane (1) - Turin

Lily (3) - Eld, Hallia, Zander

 

Not voting: Thane, Tab, Lily

 

With 9 players alive it takes 5 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Tuesday 9 PM CET. 

Countdown

 

 

Someone asked me who on my train I thought was mafia. The answer is no one, but gun to head, I'd have to pick Hally, based on her not having much to say yet. Eld and Zander seem town to me. Hally is null at this time. 

 

I need to do a reread and place a vote. 

 

I'm not good at day one, but if you need to lynch me a few times to learn that about me, I guess you do. 

[Zander?]

Can we please snip/edit quoted posts that are like a page long with like a sentence response.  Im quite guilty of this as well.

[LilyElizabeth]

I'm sorry. Bad habit of mine from the day when you didn't mess with the quotes. 

[Turin Turambar]

Thanks for the reply Lily.

[Zander?]

There was a post of Eld's in between that swayed me, Shad. 

 

 

Okay, not in between, but I read it in between. 

 

 

Can you show me this quote with a detailed explanation please?

[LilyElizabeth]

And that is so not the only way. Cop could view him.

At the time, this made me think maybe Thane was GF on a Thane/Eld team. I've since revised my opinion on Eldrick. 

[Turin Turambar]

Z, For the record What I have a real problem with is soft claiming or hinting. I am not good at picking them up for the most part. (i.e. Lily in the last game). Especially if someone is trying to use it to get town read/cred. Lily claimed when she was getting heat. It was a situation that she would have to claim sooner or later. She claimed VT which means she is not a PR. I would prefer it to have been later nut can't fault it as it seemed she would be away for a while. Who was the other person that claimed? Eldrick or Thane?

 

TBH I am viewing this as most likely a vanilla game so I'm not taking into account any claims other than a possible doc or cop. Tina already said that all the character names are just thrown in a hat so anyone COULD be mafia. In this situation claiming doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot.

 

Also, It isn't that your read itself is different than mine on Thane it is that you don't really have a reason for it. I haven't seen anything about WHY he is town. Only that you don't like my pushing at him. And your using that to nudge at me. Make more sense?

[Zander?]

 

And that is so not the only way. Cop could view him.

At the time, this made me think maybe Thane was GF on a Thane/Eld team. I've since revised my opinion on Eldrick. 

 

 

Ok, so I just want to make sure Im following you.  If Im incorrect here please let me know.

 

So atp you thought:

 

Thane and Eldrick were scummates in back 2 back consecutive games

 

and

 

In a 9er had a GF and Cop

 

and

 

somehow this change of heart you had on Eldrick occurred within 3 min.

[Turin Turambar]

Okay, it was Eldrick when he was taking considerable heat and had his mini-meltdown.

 

FWIW, it isn't his claim that has me thinking he might actually be town. 

[Zander?]

Z, For the record What I have a real problem with is soft claiming or hinting. I am not good at picking them up for the most part. (i.e. Lily in the last game). Especially if someone is trying to use it to get town read/cred. Lily claimed when she was getting heat. It was a situation that she would have to claim sooner or later. She claimed VT which means she is not a PR. I would prefer it to have been later nut can't fault it as it seemed she would be away for a while. Who was the other person that claimed? Eldrick or Thane?

 

TBH I am viewing this as most likely a vanilla game so I'm not taking into account any claims other than a possible doc or cop. Tina already said that all the character names are just thrown in a hat so anyone COULD be mafia. In this situation claiming doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot.

 

Also, It isn't that your read itself is different than mine on Thane it is that you don't really have a reason for it. I haven't seen anything about WHY he is town. Only that you don't like my pushing at him. And your using that to nudge at me. Make more sense?

 

 

Thats role claims  Im talking about character claims.

 

Eldrick and Lily both claimed, and tbqh for little to no reason, like I did last game and you jumped on me for it and based pretty well your whole case/read on me for it.

 

First Bold: This was the EXACT reason you blew up on me in Supernatural.

 

And about Thane...you've been the one saying I have him as Town.  When I havent said that at all.

 

I hope you can see why this sticks out to me.

 

Turin/Lily scum team?

 

Id like to hear others thoughts on this please.

[LilyElizabeth]

I like Turin forcing reactions out of people early. I think his quick switch from Thane to Eldrick comes from a townie state of mind more often than not. It was page 2 in the game; I doubt scum!Turin would go "oh no, Eldrick's on to me!" and respond with an OMGUS pushback.  Especially considering how calm town!Turin can be under pressure.  Switching targets fast like that could draw negative attention as scum, and I think it's more likely to come from town actually looking for early warnings and drawing attention to them.

 

Thane's reactions to Turin were entirely null imo.  He has a relaxed game that he can replicate well, and I don't think the 'understanding' approach is alignment indicative for him.  Thane's biggest struggle as scum is how he progresses his reads, and that's no secret.

 

Eldrick already feels fishy.  I'm not entirely sure what the key to distinguishing GnD D0 Eldrick from Supernatural Eldrick is, but I'm curious how he responds to me.

 

p3, not much else to work with atp.

 

I like this kind of detail this early in the game. (Wish I could do that, but that's beside the point.) Feels like a good townie post.

[Turin Turambar]

Z, they both claimed character and role. I don't care about the characters TBH. They gave the names but I did not get the impression either of them thought it was an automatic clear for giving them. In both those games you were claiming like your character in one and your PM colour in the other AUTOMATICALLY LOCK CLEARED YOU AS TOWN. That isn't what either of them did. They gave the info and went about their business (or can you show me where either of them did). You are trying to compare apples and oranges.

 

If you don't have Thane as Town why do you seem so adamant to not believe anything bad of him? Did you ever read him and give thought like I asked for earlier? 

 

So before it was me and Shad and now it is me and Lily. It seems you are very convinced I am mafia. If you are so sure why are you still voting Lily? 

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

so, we lynch Zander who gave you a headache? works for me

until we find the real wolves that is

 

This reads like you know Zander isn't a wolf. How?

[V] Thane [/v]

Out for several hours with only the WiFi I can nick around Leeds. See ya later.

 

 

 

 The way I see it Turin kickstarted the thread by pointing out what he saw as TMI in Thane's post. I initially just read Thane's post as a joke and not as TMI, so I'm not entirely sure how to interpret this, other than that Turin and I read things very differently. I'm also not sure that this is a scummy post by Turin, because he tends to be aggressive as town and go after whatever he sees that could be construed as scummy. Thane had a pretty good reaction to this push by Turin IMO.

 

 

 

 

 

it's more like: i have no content to work with, so everbody besides me is null and will need to be evaluated *nods* Also, Hi Turin 

 

Hi Thane. 

 

 

null=/= not mafia... not mafia = town

 

At least in this basic game imo.

 

 

Not sure where this was going. I was scratching my head on this one the first time around as well. Null does not equal not mafia. Not mafia does equal town. I don't really see the purpose of posting that. 

 

I do like this post by Eldrick, and it made me nod first time I read it. 

 

I'm not liking the train already building up with basically no content.

[V]Turin [/v] for voting the already existing train.

 

I also raised an eyebrow when seeing that Turin had voted Thane after I did, though I didn't really notice at the time that he wasn't joke-voting. Turin's subsequent vote on Eldrick because of this post looks like OMGUS to me. 

 

This means I also doubt a Turin/Eldrick scum team. 

 

 

 

Will lynch scum in the morning pending headache.

You better not use this as a excuse to not scum hunt.

 

This is weird to me. I don't know why this post was pulled out, and it's one of the reasons my vote is on Eldrick. (Not the main reason by far though.)

 

 

No, breakfast lured me  

 

I agree with your comment about Thane re: "This reads like you know Z isn't a wolf" - but I also wonder when people who have experience post things like "So that means there's 2 baddies, right?" Your vote seems reasonable, given the little amount of material to go on.

 

Sooh is null from what seems like a joke vote.

 

Likewise I can see where Eld is coming from (again, given so little material to work with), but I don't think there's any honest risk right now of a real train happening, it seemed like a bit of an overreaction? Would scum jump to push on a train so soon? 

Why does theorizing over how many scums are in the game make you wonder? What does that mean? Is it a good or a bad thing that you're wondering about this?

 

I mentioned before seeing Taborline being very diplomatic, here she thinks Turin is reasonable while she at the same time sees Eldrick's pov. 

 

I like Zander's initial posts. They seem like scum hunting Zander. 

 

 

Z, are you asking just because your are you and are either town or "minority town" in your own mind?

I am not sure what this post means?

 

I do like Shad's post #58. I can follow his thinking here.

 

 

(I'll post before it gets too long)

[LilyElizabeth]

 

I will join Eld and 

 

Vote: Lily

 

For the moment this is where I am happy.

 

 

Why?

[Eldrick4221]

@Thane Irt my fixation on sooh.

Day 1 there isn't a strong reason to read anyone. I found a weak one and pursued it, to either more fully cement my reasoning, or to find a reason to dismiss it. Sooh said it was something she normally does, but that wasn't enough for me. She could just be saying that to make me stop going after her. She mentioned the last 2 games I was in with her as reference. I checked them, and they didn't help her side.

 

I asked for other people to give me their outlook. Tab also came in and said it's something Sooh normally does. So for now I will drop it as not a reason to suspect her by itself. I still don't like that she did it, but will concede to it just being part of her playstyle.

 

Should Sooh or tab flip scum, I will reopen this.

[Zander?]

Z, they both claimed character and role. I don't care about the characters TBH. They gave the names but I did not get the impression either of them thought it was an automatic clear for giving them. In both those games you were claiming like your character in one and your PM colour in the other AUTOMATICALLY LOCK CLEARED YOU AS TOWN. That isn't what either of them did. They gave the info and went about their business (or can you show me where either of them did). You are trying to compare apples and oranges.

 

If you don't have Thane as Town why do you seem so adamant to not believe anything bad of him? Did you ever read him and give thought like I asked for earlier? 

 

So before it was me and Shad and now it is me and Lily. It seems you are very convinced I am mafia. If you are so sure why are you still voting Lily? 

 

First Bold- http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96562-basic-supernatural-mafia-game-over-town-wins/?p=3604646

 

"I don't like Z soft character claiming for no good reason in a game that the MOD has said mafia have fake claims. In this sort of case I would expect one of the fakes yo be a major character otherwise what is the point?"

 

Wanna try that again please?

 

Second Bold- When did I say or imply that at all Turin?  All I said was that I disagree with you that it was a Slip.

 

Third Bold- I wanted to see your response to my claim question.  I read you wrong last game and tunneled you very hard., same with Sooh, Im readjusting a bit to try and see more before going #FULLZANDER. But fair enough point

 

[v] Unvote [/v]

 

[v] Turin [/v]

[Eldrick4221]

Turin's points on zander's view on thane are ringing true to me. Turin looks better for it and zander worse. Both are still town to me, but Zander isn't as strong anymore.

[Shad_]

Going through from the start:

 

I'm not liking the train already building up with basically no content.

[V]Turin [/v] for voting the already existing train.

 

Massive ping on re-read.  This was post #22 in the game, from the guy who was recently cool as town with casting an intro post 4th vote on Zander without even reading his content?

[Zander?]

Turin's points on zander's view on thane are ringing true to me. Turin looks better for it and zander worse. Both are still town to me, but Zander isn't as strong anymore.

 

WHAT POINT?

 

That I don think Thane made a slip.  Its really all Ive discussed about Thane.

[Niniel]

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Eld (2) - Sooh, Shad

Thane (1) - Turin

Lily (2) - Eld, Hallia

Turin (1) - Zander

 

Not voting: Thane, Tab, Lily

 

With 9 players alive it takes 5 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Tuesday 9 PM CET. 

Countdown

 

 

[LilyElizabeth]

Different is a vague thing indeed. I'll try to rephrase:

 

Lily is being 'distracting', or is easily distracted, by off topic items. Didn't like her take on 'RL reasons to hide wolfy absence'. It's true that it happens, but nothing new. 

Eldrick posting more calculated and careful in this game. Lacks the confidence he had last game, or makes it look like it.

For Shad, as i said, it's more gut feeling than anything else. He needs to step up his game, though. 

 

Asking for explanations of things you all take for granted is perfectly acceptable behavior. And not alignment indicative. Take for example Eld's comment about Shad's headache. On JN people simply don't use RL stuff as cover. So, since it was looking like maybe people do here, I asked for clarification. 

 

I'm getting used to DM's mafia culture and y'all are getting used to me. If you need to lynch me a few times to "learn" me, then you do. Not much I can do about that. 

[Eldrick4221]

Going through from the start:

 

I'm not liking the train already building up with basically no content.

 

[V]Turin [/v] for voting the already existing train.

 

Massive ping on re-read.  This was post #22 in the game, from the guy who was recently cool as town with casting an intro post 4th vote on Zander without even reading his content?

I'm guessing this is referring GnD, where I was expecting us to lynch Zander D0 from the pre-game petition? Bad comparison cuz my vote then had nothing to do with the content at the beginning of the game. I went into the game thinking his lynch was a foregone conclusion.

[Zander?]

 

Different is a vague thing indeed. I'll try to rephrase:

 

Lily is being 'distracting', or is easily distracted, by off topic items. Didn't like her take on 'RL reasons to hide wolfy absence'. It's true that it happens, but nothing new. 

Eldrick posting more calculated and careful in this game. Lacks the confidence he had last game, or makes it look like it.

For Shad, as i said, it's more gut feeling than anything else. He needs to step up his game, though. 

 

Asking for explanations of things you all take for granted is perfectly acceptable behavior. And not alignment indicative. Take for example Eld's comment about Shad's headache. On JN people simply don't use RL stuff as cover. So, since it was looking like maybe people do here, I asked for clarification. 

 

I'm getting used to DM's mafia culture and y'all are getting used to me. If you need to lynch me a few times to "learn" me, then you do. Not much I can do about that. 

 

 

I believe this is the 2nd time youve mentioned that and its ringing hollow.