[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[Nynaeve]

I'm gonna ask if I can edit that into a spoiler. But also for some reason it ate my TLDR  :/

[Nynaeve]

Anyways. 

 

Bolded Black - stuff about Eldrick.

Bolded Green - stuff about Nolder (or revolving his lynch)

Bolded Purple - WIFOM

[Nynaeve]

Bolded red - Promises to go back to whatever elicited the weird reaction of his after a few flips. Spoiler alert: he never did :P

[Nynaeve]

TLDR

 

He mentioned Eldrick as a suspect several time. Names him as the worst looking player in the game since early on. Only actually votes him on D2 after Turin's train has started building. Ping.

 

Nolder is his second scum read on D1. Never actually does anything with it. Never votes for him or Eldrick. His "analysis" on D2 of his train is basically inane and pointless. He muses over how many scum could be on his train, gives the options (ie... no scum, one scum, a lot of scum? lol) but doesn't actually say what he thinks is the case. Ping

 

Sows wifom about there being a third party of 4 scum. Then later talks as if there are 3 scum in the game. Ping.

 

Reiterates several times that he's gonna go back after a couple of flips to what was going on at the time with Zander's jokes, the reactions to it and the consequent votes. He gets a lot of attention over his reaction to it. Keeps saying how it's important to go back and look at it with some flips...  but never follows through. Ping.

 

Him saying that under his experience, a dead player wouldn't sub into a scum slot. BFG has shown that he has been in games where it happened. Also his comment about Zander tunneling a townie again... could be a slip. Ping.

 

 

 

Sum up basically concludes with the initial good feels being revoked. He's well in my POE.

[Nynaeve]

Eldrick, BG, Thane.

 

If I'm wrong about one of'em it means I'm misclearing someone. Which I'm hoping I'm not, because I wouldn't know where to start between my town reads. I do think I have at least 2 scum in there. If not then this game is already lost.

[BFG]

Eldrick, BG, Thane.

 

If I'm wrong about one of'em it means I'm misclearing someone. Which I'm hoping I'm not, because I wouldn't know where to start between my town reads. I do think I have at least 2 scum in there. If not then this game is already lost.

I probably need to ISO Zander again before I clear him

[Nynaeve]

Fair

[LilyElizabeth]

 

It does to me

 

 

In what order Lily?

 

 

BG, Thane, Eldrick

[bgrishinko]

I tried to go back and ISO some folks and now I remember why I don't play much anymore. This is super time-consuming to ISO folks in later days and I don't have that kind of time. I keep getting worn out when the conversation hits Nolder taunting. So I'm giving up on that approach. Apologies.

 

 

BG, Eldrick and Zander. Need to get this done

 

Sorry pal. This is wrong. Thane, Eldrick and Laine. At least we agree on one.

 

 

 

BG, Eldrick and Zander. Need to get this done

 
 
Im not Scum dude.
 
I agree 100% on BG and Eld tho

 

If you are actually town, then tell me this.

BG and Eld made a counter train on Thane against Turin. Does this look like distancing to you?

If not, who is the deep-wolf. Was Eld the only scum in Nolder train? Other than me and Thane, that leaves Alanna, Nyn, BFG and Lily. Who is it?

 

 

I did not vote Thane because it would be a counter-train. I didn't think Sooh/Turin looked bad and I was following up on my leads from Day 1. 

 

 

TLDR: Thane has been uncharacteristically unengaged pretty much all game despite early game 'enthusiasm'

Unreasoned reads Day 1 are more likely from mafia! Thane

Thane has made no attempt to engage Eldrick, his top suspect. He's made no effort to change my mind or tell me I'm wrong, or do any of the things I'd expect from town! Thane

He's essentially been under the radar all game. Pretty much everyone STILL has him as null, or isn't considering him as a suspect for reasons I don't understand.

Early town reads of Thane from other players, when challenged are unsubstantiated.

 

I appreciate your ISO. There's even more scummy behavior than I noticed. I'm still happy with my votes on Thane. Maybe others will listen to me now. 

 

@Lily my lowest 3 are you, Thane, and pral. My guess would be that that's the scum team, but that's only because of PoE. I'm probably wrong and misclearing someone.

@BFG I challenged lily's read because it bothered me that she has been keeping me as null with no explanation. Then she iso'd me and came up with a slight scum, after adding no info of her own. She asked me my view on bg. She pointed out 2 things that had already discussed, and she tinfoiled on me already knowing turin1's alignment.

I haven't been very towny this game, and I know that. My reads suck and I just haven't pulled my weight. Thane scum reading me didn't bother me as much as lily did, cuz it felt like it came out of nowhere.

Was Pral on your lists before?

 

And why did you vote when you did, you knew Lily was going to hammer

This bothered me as well and was my biggest tip off yesterday that Eld might be scum. 

 

 

And why did you vote when you did, you knew Lily was going to hammer

Because I thought he was scum. He was literally my only scum read. Discussion wasn't going anywhere and I wanted the hammer.

 

Crap reasoning still I think.

 

I have one reason to think BGs mafia, but I need to fact check a lot of stuff on my tablet later. If BGs mafia he's unlikely to be teammates with Thane/Laine. Of the 2 I feel more confident in my read on Thane.

? 

 

 

 

Why does it matter that I called out Eldrick for fluff and no one else. His fluff was in larger quantities than everyone else, he had a top post count but all I could remember was fluff, hence calling him out and nobody else because others were at least trying to control their posting a little bit.

Why do you keep asking me "why does it matter" when I ask you a question?

I try to understand the way people think, I know I ask stupid questions, but this isn't a new thing in my game

 

Because I don't understand the purpose. You're saying that I called out eldrick but no one else. Is this scummy? Townie? What are you getting from it?

 

This is a really simple minded thing to say when playing mafia. Seems an odd way to respond by just avoiding the questions presented. It wasn't a manipulative question or anything, but fact finding.

 

I wont be here much until maybe Wed/Thurs. I have overtime tomorrow and an exam Wed morning. Right now I have my mind set on voting Thane for tomorrow unless someone gives me a reason not to

I'm glad you finally see some reason.

 

 

I feel like BFG was one of, if not the only player, that was suspicious of Thane early on. I think voting Thane was very low risk for Thane both on D1 and D2.

 

Just so I'm clear... obviously BG was voting Thane too on both days. I'm just saying that timing wise when he voted for Thane, it was rather apparent that Thane wasn't going to be they lynch because the only other player that was really suspicious of Thane was BFG, really. 

 

Day 1, voted when I researched a good reason. D2 I wanted review a bit what had happened the day before before voting. Once I did, Nothing had really changed and I continued to press Thane.

 

Eldrick, BG, Thane.

 

If I'm wrong about one of'em it means I'm misclearing someone. Which I'm hoping I'm not, because I wouldn't know where to start between my town reads. I do think I have at least 2 scum in there. If not then this game is already lost.

 

Also Wrong. Eldrick, Laine, Thane. 2/3's not bad though.

[Nynaeve]

Day 1, voted when I researched a good reason. D2 I wanted review a bit what had happened the day before before voting. Once I did, Nothing had really changed and I continued to press Thane.

 

Not that accurate. You cased Thane after you voted for him. Initially you had like two reasons for the vote. I think one of the things that bothered you was his 99.9% town assertion on Turin 1.0. And I don't remember the second reason off the top of my head (will look it up later). But it was overall a very superficial reason. I'm pretty sure I called you out on that and then you followed up with actual research.

[Nynaeve]

I'll look it up when I have a minute.

[Eldrick4221]

Hey guys

[LilyElizabeth]

Good morning, Eldrick

[Zander?]

 

And yet you say Zander is town. Even now.

:facepalm

 

Yep. I think he's town.

 

 

He is my dear.

[LilyElizabeth]

I'm getting paranoid, thinking I may have misread one of my town core. I wish day would hurry up. Remember, if I'm dead, lynch BG.

[bgrishinko]

 

 

It does to me

 

 

In what order Lily?

 

 

BG, Thane, Eldrick

 

 

I would appreciate real reasons from Lily at this point. She hasn't posted much of a reason for any of her opinions since beginning of day 2.  There's been lots of one-liner "I agree with this" type of posts, but nothing substantial for a long while. I feel like she tried to fight the wave of Laine/Zander/Nyn group and eventually gave up and then just started echoing them and laying low. Can't beat them, join them or hide among them? Day 2 she comes out at me with a "gem" of me killing Turin because I mentioned he had been my mafia weakness in the past and has kept her vote planted there with no other reasoning since. The only other comments she's really had are how obviously scummy Turin 2.0 was and making connections to various others based on that alone. 

[bgrishinko]

 

Day 1, voted when I researched a good reason. D2 I wanted review a bit what had happened the day before before voting. Once I did, Nothing had really changed and I continued to press Thane.

 

Not that accurate. You cased Thane after you voted for him. Initially you had like two reasons for the vote. I think one of the things that bothered you was his 99.9% town assertion on Turin 1.0. And I don't remember the second reason off the top of my head (will look it up later). But it was overall a very superficial reason. I'm pretty sure I called you out on that and then you followed up with actual research.

 

 

Yeah, I think you are right here that I didn't show it till after the vote. I think I mentioned my 2 initial reasons for voting (insanity post and 99.9% post) but then went back for the documentation to back up my reasons with the quotes when you mentioned it.  

[LilyElizabeth]

I was wondering when you'd get around to OMGUS casing me. 

 

I'm sure of you. You just aren't playing a town game. You seem to me to be trying to look townie, but staying very middle of the road. No likey. 

I based my read on Thane mostly on his interactions with you. I'd have to pull up examples, which I don't have time for right now. 

Eldrick is from POE, because I have literally everyone else as town.

[Eldrick4221]

@BG I didn't suspect Pral as much as he was lower on my list thab other people.

 

Zander and Nyn are my top tier townies. Won't lynch them ever.

 

BG, BFG, Laine confident town reads. Possible deep wolf here.

 

Thane and Pral both initially low posters and hard to read early on.

 

Feeling good about Pral recently, but still low on the list comparatively.

 

Nyn found some good points about Thane. He was also low on my list for the same reasons Pral was. His never looking back over the thread looks really bad for him. Probably wolf.

 

I felt good about Lily early, but she hasn't been able to maintain that. And her case on me was horrible. Possible wolf here too.

[LilyElizabeth]

I don't really have a case on you, Eld. You're just POE. I have my doubts, though. 

[Eldrick4221]

I was wondering when you'd get around to OMGUS casing me.

 

I'm sure of you. You just aren't playing a town game. You seem to me to be trying to look townie, but staying very middle of the road. No likey.

I based my read on Thane mostly on his interactions with you. I'd have to pull up examples, which I don't have time for right now.

Eldrick is from POE, because I have literally everyone else as town.

It's not omgus casing. Your case on my sucked. I'm just pointing it out.

[Eldrick4221]

Case=iso interpretation here

[bgrishinko]

I was wondering when you'd get around to OMGUS casing me. 

 

I'm sure of you. You just aren't playing a town game. You seem to me to be trying to look townie, but staying very middle of the road. No likey. 

I based my read on Thane mostly on his interactions with you. I'd have to pull up examples, which I don't have time for right now. 

Eldrick is from POE, because I have literally everyone else as town.

 

Testy. I just asked for more substantial reasons to back up your posts and opinions. Was anything I said about you false? I was merely pointing out we haven't gotten a lot of reasoning behind your votes.

[Eldrick4221]

I completely missed Thane's post about 4 scum or 3 scum and 1 3rd party. This is a basic game. I'd be shocked if there was a 3rd party, and 4 scum just simply doesn't make sense for 12 person game.

[LilyElizabeth]

 

I was wondering when you'd get around to OMGUS casing me.

 

I'm sure of you. You just aren't playing a town game. You seem to me to be trying to look townie, but staying very middle of the road. No likey.

I based my read on Thane mostly on his interactions with you. I'd have to pull up examples, which I don't have time for right now.

Eldrick is from POE, because I have literally everyone else as town.

It's not omgus casing. Your case on my sucked. I'm just pointing it out.

 

I'm sorry. That was for BG, not you.