[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[Nynaeve]

Who is gonna get negative attention? Sooh, as we can clearly see. It was not that desperate a situation to drive the mislynch on Nolder because it was already happening.

 

How was it already happening? I'm pretty sure there were an assortment of players that had 2 votes at that point. Sooh's vote put Nolder at majority with 3 votes. So no... the lynch wasn't happening either way.

[Nynaeve]

If memory serves right, Zander had 2 votes and so did Thane.

[Turin Turambar]

Votes on Nolder:

I included all votes, even the ones who later unvoted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kind of a weird switch by Lily IMHO, willing to pursue.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Lily[/v]

I'm giving Zander the benefit of the doubt, since he said it was a joke, but not ruling him as scum out yet. What's weird about that?

It's the timing and also I don't agree with your vote.

 

Your vote on Alanna came right after Zander's but with enough time between to make me think it wasn't just a coincidence or fluke.

I also don't agree that Alanna seems to be pushing a scummate's case...or any case really she just said Eldrick seemed awkward.

If she had voted maybe I'd agree but she didn't.

 

To me it looks way more likely that you and Zander would be scummate's who distanced and then jumped on the same person than it does that Alanna and Sooh are scummates.

Previous post post I quoted had you saying you were Voting Alanna for not voting. Now you are saying that you would understand how she would look bad if she had voted yet you voted for the opposite reason. You further used this a reason to vote someone else. It looks to me like you were just looking for anything to take your vote off Alanna.

 

[unvote]

[V] Nolder [/v]

We know he was town

I'm actually gonna switch up and [unvote] [v]Nolder[/v] because I want some pressure there

 

 

 

 

 

Zander I think you and I need to have a talk.

 

Ok whats up?

Not much, I just like to clear or condemn you early and I'd like to be able to do it soon.

 

Let's try some questions...

 

Gun to head which one person of the following people would you absolutely not let into the village right now: Sooh, Pral, Alanna, Thane, Eldrick.

Why these people specifically?

 

 

Nolder that's a terrible question when he's already mentioned scum reads on 2/5 and has null-town the rest lol

it is but its ok. I wanna see where he goes with this.

 

 

@Nol- Why Pral?

Sorry everyone woke up and is talking to me now.

The thing about Pral, and I don't mean to be insulting, even when he's town I don't find his posts that helpful or insightful 90% of the time.

He's just kind of there. So that's more meta than anything else but that's why I chose him.

That's a terrible reason.

+1 on it being a terrible reason. you don't find him helpful as town, so you want to lynch him for not being helpful.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

Later retracted due to misunderstanding, iirc

[v]Nolder[/v] wakey wakey, sleeping beauty

Don't understand the reason for this vote. @Nyn can you explain?

 

I've been playing for almost 6 years, I'm pretty sure I know the term WIFOM when I come across it.

 

Things are just as verifiable asking other players but you don't seem concerned with knowing if I'm telling the truth or not, you seem more concerned with discrediting me.

 

Do not lynch Zander

Do lynch Nolder

 

When Nolder flips scum, will you trust me then?

Leap of faith

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

@Sooh - I think you explained it already, but would you explain this vote again, please?

I was wrong. I am voting one of them.

 

I noticed it earlier. It's been addressed several times. The fact that Nolder is flat out refusing to give a reads list means something. I want to find out what that something is.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

Okay reason, I guess

I figured as much.

 

 

Vote Nolder

 

 

 

Out of all the votes, Sooh's looks the worst

I disagree. I know surprise. Sooh voted apparently following town reads. This makes sense if she doubted her own read which IIRC is somewhat typical for her early.

 

Alanna voted for "pressure" and kept it there all day only cheering on the lynch and saying he was acting "weird and confused". Guess what? He is Nolder.

 

Eldrick voted twice with bad reasoning each time. First about the Pral thing and second because Nolder didn't claim. Nolder almost never claims. That was dropping a vote for a policy reason And because he was upset at Nolder not for a true game reason.

 

Zander basically dropped in with the crowd. I.know.I'm town so I know his other choice D1 was wrong too. His Sooh case is basically that her case on him was bad.

 

Nyn voted him tauntingly, possibly because she knew she could push his lynch through because he is Nolder and reacts poorly sometimes to pressure, especially as town.

 

Lily, already covered.

 

Nolder, probably worst vote but he was most likely dead anyway.

[LilyElizabeth]

Since you want me to have a read on you, Eldrick, I'll ISO you now. 

[Nynaeve]

Here are two VCs that Shad did yesterday. There might be more of them made by Halli or Clov. But here they are:

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Nolder(2): Alannalynn, Nynaeve
Sooh(2): Pralaya, Zander
Thane(2): BFG, bgrishinko
Zander(2): Turin, Nolder

Not Voting: Thane, Sooh, Eldrick, Lily

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Nolder(4): Alannalynn, Nynaeve, Sooh, Zander
Sooh(1): Pralaya
Thane(2): BFG, bgrishinko
Zander(2): Turin, Nolder

Not Voting: Thane, Eldrick, Lily

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

[Nynaeve]

So basically... Sooh's vote put Nolder in majority, while she was sitting with two votes on her. 

[Zander?]

Lol @Z. Silly phone and fat thumbs.

 

You are either very wrong and pocketed by Allana or mafia yourself. I know.I'm town and if it takes my lynch to expose the mafia, so be It. I expect a full reason for every vote.placed on me.

 

@Lily, Sooh did explain she was following her town reads as they (Alanna and Nyn) were more certain that Nol was mad than she was regarding Z. The post even says leap of faith. As in she believed in them so lent her vote there.

 

I would say it was only bad in that it didn't account for the hybrid vote system, but she apparently wasn't the only to not think about that. Or at least claim not yo bother with it.

 

@BFG. My Sooh ISO is completed. She(I) is(am) town. FWIW I only looked at the new info hallia sent me.

 

Im going to drive your (Soohs) Scummy Soul (s) straight along the,.......

 

[Nynaeve]

Nyn voted him tauntingly, possibly because she knew she could push his lynch through because he is Nolder and reacts poorly sometimes to pressure, especially as town.

 

Nyn voted him because she cased him properly, his reactions sucked and he was pinging all over the place. And most importantly? he cares more about being right than being helpful. He should work on that if he doesn't wanna keep sucking.

[Zander?]

No time really right now. My views stand as I said earlier, Thane and Laina. When I have some time I'll take a look at Turin 1.0 and Nolder for any clues on others.

 

hmmmmmm.......

 

 

 

IIRC Pral didn't have a train, so moving to him instead of Nolder didn't make much sense. I didn't like the fact that she didn't go back to Zander (her top scum read) when he had pressure, though.

 

I disagree. It would have made all the sense of the world to me. This is a hybrid hammer game. Not a majority game. She didn't have to do anything but vote for who she thinks is scum. Besides, it's not like it was close to deadline... so, who cares if Pral didn't have any votes at the time? She had exactly two scum reads at the time. Zander and Pral. Zander eventually got votes and she didn't move there.... and she made no effort to start a train on her second suspect, Pral.

 

Which is one of the reasons I am going easy on Sooh. She could have as well voted me and I don't think I would have been a difficult target. It doesn't absolve her but moves her slightly up.

 

 

Explain your response better please.  How the hell does it move her up.

 

Consider my vote promised on Turin.

 

Funny lily moved me up lolol

 

[V]thane [/v] for funsies

 

It spelled T U R I N my dear. 

[Nynaeve]

I love how Turin is trying to protray Nolder as this poor helpless player that is takes advantage of. That's BS

[Zander?]

 

 

Which is one of the reasons I am going easy on Sooh. She could have as well voted me and I don't think I would have been a difficult target. It doesn't absolve her but moves her slightly up.

But why? TownSooh would have gone for either you or Zander, because that's what her read list indicated. She backed off Zander cause she was getting negative attention, that's as clear as day. She said it was because no one was listening to her and he wasn't gonna be the lynch that day or ever so she was looking elsewhere... but that's false because a train of him was building later on and she never went back there. Why? That reads to me as someone who's worried that the negative attention would resurface if she did. And why not lean on you and figure out your slot if she was suspicious? She never did with the deadline still half a day or more away. I just don't get her vote on Nolder if she didn't find him scummy... and according to her very own read list? she didn't.

This is worth resolving. If sooh...I mean turin flips scum, then we probably have scum in Pral too.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Turin [/v]

 

 

 

[unvote]

 

Still willing to vote there. Want to slow the train down and hear from other people.

 

Just more awfulness from Eldrick

[Zander?]

 

 

Just because no one agreed doesn't mean he wasn't trying to garner a future Sooh vote by switching.

So let me get this straight. ScumZander would expect to garner support on a future Sooh lynch by helping town lynch a townie?

 

 

lol okay.

why Not? He has easy cover. If he's mafia(which I think is likely) to him it is one town or another. There is enough general support for both a Nolder lynch and a Sooh(now Turin) lynch that he can easily say what he is saying so far today. He suspected Nolder but went with Alanna onto Nolder D1. Now he can feel free to take the lead and go #FULLZANDER on his other town lynch candidate, Sooh(Turin). He even already broke out the Sooh may replace out as mafia. Which is both false in this case and underhanded IMO.

 

Trying to deny he would do it is ludicrous.

 

 

Youre gonna get #FULLZANDER Turin and youre not gonna like it. Its not underhanded its truth.  Like have you heard of Poker its called a Tell.

[Zander?]

I love how Turin is trying to protray Nolder as this poor helpless player that is takes advantage of. That's BS

 

I love Nolder but he played a horrible game period.

[Turin Turambar]

Yes. Look. She voted someone she had in null following her town reads. The other people voting Z were both lower reads (even if both are now confirmed dead townies ;) Which is something that might weigh into your decision) Probably not tho.

[Zander?]

Yes. Look. She voted someone she had in null following her town reads. The other people voting Z were both lower reads (even if both are now confirmed dead townies ;) Which is something that might weigh into your decision) Probably not tho.

 

 

Just because you both have bad reads shouldnt weigh into any decision imo.

[Eldrick4221]

 

Votes on Nolder:

I included all votes, even the ones who later unvoted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kind of a weird switch by Lily IMHO, willing to pursue.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Lily[/v]

I'm giving Zander the benefit of the doubt, since he said it was a joke, but not ruling him as scum out yet. What's weird about that?

It's the timing and also I don't agree with your vote.

 

Your vote on Alanna came right after Zander's but with enough time between to make me think it wasn't just a coincidence or fluke.

I also don't agree that Alanna seems to be pushing a scummate's case...or any case really she just said Eldrick seemed awkward.

If she had voted maybe I'd agree but she didn't.

 

To me it looks way more likely that you and Zander would be scummate's who distanced and then jumped on the same person than it does that Alanna and Sooh are scummates.

Previous post post I quoted had you saying you were Voting Alanna for not voting. Now you are saying that you would understand how she would look bad if she had voted yet you voted for the opposite reason. You further used this a reason to vote someone else. It looks to me like you were just looking for anything to take your vote off Alanna.

 

[unvote]

[V] Nolder [/v]

We know he was town

I'm actually gonna switch up and [unvote] [v]Nolder[/v] because I want some pressure there

 

 

 

 

Zander I think you and I need to have a talk.

Ok whats up?

Not much, I just like to clear or condemn you early and I'd like to be able to do it soon.

 

Let's try some questions...

 

Gun to head which one person of the following people would you absolutely not let into the village right now: Sooh, Pral, Alanna, Thane, Eldrick.

Why these people specifically?

 

 

Nolder that's a terrible question when he's already mentioned scum reads on 2/5 and has null-town the rest lol

it is but its ok. I wanna see where he goes with this.

 

 

@Nol- Why Pral?

Sorry everyone woke up and is talking to me now.

The thing about Pral, and I don't mean to be insulting, even when he's town I don't find his posts that helpful or insightful 90% of the time.

He's just kind of there. So that's more meta than anything else but that's why I chose him.

That's a terrible reason.

+1 on it being a terrible reason. you don't find him helpful as town, so you want to lynch him for not being helpful.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

Later retracted due to misunderstanding, iirc

[v]Nolder[/v] wakey wakey, sleeping beauty

Don't understand the reason for this vote. @Nyn can you explain?

 

I've been playing for almost 6 years, I'm pretty sure I know the term WIFOM when I come across it.

 

Things are just as verifiable asking other players but you don't seem concerned with knowing if I'm telling the truth or not, you seem more concerned with discrediting me.

 

Do not lynch Zander

Do lynch Nolder

 

When Nolder flips scum, will you trust me then?

Leap of faith

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

@Sooh - I think you explained it already, but would you explain this vote again, please?

I was wrong. I am voting one of them.

 

I noticed it earlier. It's been addressed several times. The fact that Nolder is flat out refusing to give a reads list means something. I want to find out what that something is.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

Okay reason, I guess

I figured as much.

 

 

Vote Nolder

 

 

 

Out of all the votes, Sooh's looks the worst

I disagree. I know surprise. Sooh voted apparently following town reads. This makes sense if she doubted her own read which IIRC is somewhat typical for her early.

 

Alanna voted for "pressure" and kept it there all day only cheering on the lynch and saying he was acting "weird and confused". Guess what? He is Nolder.

 

Eldrick voted twice with bad reasoning each time. First about the Pral thing and second because Nolder didn't claim. Nolder almost never claims. That was dropping a vote for a policy reason And because he was upset at Nolder not for a true game reason.

 

Zander basically dropped in with the crowd. I.know.I'm town so I know his other choice D1 was wrong too. His Sooh case is basically that her case on him was bad.

 

Nyn voted him tauntingly, possibly because she knew she could push his lynch through because he is Nolder and reacts poorly sometimes to pressure, especially as town.

 

Lily, already covered.

 

Nolder, probably worst vote but he was most likely dead anyway.

My reason for my final vote on him was because he wouldn't post a reads list, not cuz he wouldn't claim. He was refusing to be helpful to town. That reads list would be nice info now that we know his alignment.

 

And Nyn pointed out that he tends to connect his teammates on his reads list. After she said that, the fact that he was still refusing looked really bad.

[Shad_]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Turin(2): Zander, Nynaeve

bgrishinko(1): Lily

alannalynn(1): Turin

Thane(1): alannalynn

Zander(1): Pralaya

 

Not Voting: BFG, bgrishinko, Thane, Eldrick

 

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

]

[Turin Turambar]

 

Here are two VCs that Shad did yesterday. There might be more of them made by Halli or Clov. But here they are:

 

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Nolder(2): Alannalynn, Nynaeve

Sooh(2): Pralaya, Zander

Thane(2): BFG, bgrishinko

Zander(2): Turin, Nolder

 

Not Voting: Thane, Sooh, Eldrick, Lily

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Nolder(4): Alannalynn, Nynaeve, Sooh, Zander

Sooh(1): Pralaya

Thane(2): BFG, bgrishinko

Zander(2): Turin, Nolder

 

Not Voting: Thane, Eldrick, Lily

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Something else you may consider or not is that Sooh asked to replace out on Feb 3rd, which was two days before these things happened.

[Nynaeve]

@Zander. Does Sooh play mafia off DM?

[Zander?]

@Zander. Does Sooh play mafia off DM?

 

Yes

[Nynaeve]

 

@Zander. Does Sooh play mafia off DM?

 

Yes

 

 

Like... a lot?

[Zander?]

 

 

@Zander. Does Sooh play mafia off DM?

 

Yes

 

 

Like... a lot?

 

 

A fair bit yes.  Im not exactly sure how much but more then once in awhile for sure.

[Nynaeve]

Something else you may consider or not is that Sooh asked to replace out on Feb 3rd, which was two days before these things happened.

 

Meaning what?

[Nynaeve]

A fair bit yes.  Im not exactly sure how much but more then once in awhile for sure.

 

The reason I'm asking is that one of her AtE posts was this:

 

 

Tbh I'm doing my darndest here right now. I'm in several other games, and I'm also fighting now a perception of me that came about because I was sick and didn't read/remember/comprehend clearly. I have been trying to ignore Zander, but basically every time I try to ask a question about earlier posts I'm either ignored or can't get a straight answer because #lolscumtryingtomakeacase. I asked questions of Nyn, BFG, Thane and Turin, and so far all I can recall was Nyn responding. 

 

 

As far as I know she's not in any other games on DM currently. So I was wondering if the above was true or not. But I guess if she plays on other sites.... maybe.

[Nynaeve]

BFG, I need you <3