[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[Nynaeve]

 

 

Ok. Well again this would be a false alarm.

 

And no I have nothing to say about that other stuff.

I explained why I felt weird about Eldrick, did Alanna?

I already addressed my opinion on Pral more than once now. Don't really care what you think about it tbh.

 

Lets cut the crap. Give me your current reads.

 

No.

 

 

Why? It's not pragmatic? 

[Nolder]

[v]Zander[/v]

 

This...conflict I'm having with Zander doesn't feel natural it feels manufactured to unnecessarily aggressive from his end.

I also don't like how dodgy he's being. He doesn't expand on what he thinks about me being weird, used others reasoning, demands that I find Lily's post for him to "prove my point against him" instead of finding it himself. And the blatant misrep after Eldrick did the same thing is highly suspect imo. He's piggybacking others to cast suspicion and I don't like it at all.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

Ok. Well again this would be a false alarm.

 

And no I have nothing to say about that other stuff.

I explained why I felt weird about Eldrick, did Alanna?

I already addressed my opinion on Pral more than once now. Don't really care what you think about it tbh.

 

Lets cut the crap. Give me your current reads.

 

No.

 

 

Why? It's not pragmatic? 

 

Because I like to solidify my reads after seeing a couple flips.

A lot of things are up in the air before EOD1 but once you get the flip and the night kill things can become so much clearer.

So much so that it's barely worth posting an entire reads list so early most of the time. At least in my experience.

[Zander?]

 

I'm liking Nyn and Turin for town at this point. 

 

Alannalynn is bothering me. I feel like she's directing all this attention to me BECAUSE I directed attention to her. I don't like it. It's OMGUSy. And where I come from explaining your own meta as in "I wouldn't do that as scum" or "I always do this as town"  is scummy. ANYBODY can change their meta. She's my scummiest read so far, although I still don't like Zander's "joke" and put him in second place. 

 

Vote Laine

 

 

By the way, my kitty seems to be doing a little better. I'm taking him to the vet tomorrow for fluids, although he is drinking a little now. But he's 11 years old and could use the help. Thanks for all your kind words. 

Zander this was only a few pages ago did you just not read this or what?

 

 

I did.  And its not a point its her opinion which I'll take with a grain of salt. Ive ONLY been responding to Sooh's case on me which is based on Meta.

[Zander?]

[v]Zander[/v]

 

This...conflict I'm having with Zander doesn't feel natural it feels manufactured to unnecessarily aggressive from his end.

I also don't like how dodgy he's being. He doesn't expand on what he thinks about me being weird, used others reasoning, demands that I find Lily's post for him to "prove my point against him" instead of finding it himself. And the blatant misrep after Eldrick did the same thing is highly suspect imo. He's piggybacking others to cast suspicion and I don't like it at all.

 

Explain agressive with examples.

 

Explain dodgy with examples.

 

Why would I have to prove something you wre trying to use against me?

 

Show me this misrep you speak of.

 

Who have I piggybacked, explain with examples.

[Sooh]

Nyn, Thane, BFG, Turin, 

 

What were your initial thoughts about this post:

 

 

Vote Eldrick

 

 

 

Cuz I said I would. Family love and all that. 

 

 

 

Vote Eldrick



Cuz I said I would. Family love and all that.

Nice of you to stick to your guns from signup.

 

 

 

After very careful thought and deliberation, I don't know if I'm buying this whole Mother/Son shtick.  It feel feels like its forced and somewhat contrived. I think this kind of gambit is much likely to come from a Scum!Lilly and Scum!Eldrick POV..

 

It feels like they have an agenda and are already setting the stage for some sort of claim later in the game.

 

I mean I feel like they're really trying hard to sell us this connection or relationship but with this type of obvious gambit no one is buying into this in my opinion.

 

before Laine posted about it?

[Eldrick4221]

@Lily I never got your opinion on my response to your signup vote. Sure, I never asked, but you haven't said anything either. What's your take on it?

[Nynaeve]

Because I like to solidify my reads after seeing a couple flips.

A lot of things are up in the air before EOD1 but once you get the flip and the night kill things can become so much clearer.

So much so that it's barely worth posting an entire reads list so early most of the time. At least in my experience.

 

Solidifying your reads is great, but you're working on some basis here and I'd like to hear it. Not providing any initial reads is great for being able to make up whatever later and I'm not planning on giving anyone that much space. There is absolutely no reason why you would be refusing to share your initial thoughts on at least some of the players. Right now all I know is what you think of Zander. That's not okay.

[Nynaeve]

Nyn, Thane, BFG, Turin, 

 

What were your initial thoughts about this post: before Laine posted about it?

 

This was before Laine posted: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96562-basic-supernatural-mafia-day-one/page-4?do=findComment&comment=3604453

 

This was around an hour after Laine posted, in response to BFG's question about my vote: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96562-basic-supernatural-mafia-day-one/page-4?do=findComment&comment=3604484

[LilyElizabeth]

@Lily I never got your opinion on my response to your signup vote. Sure, I never asked, but you haven't said anything either. What's your take on it?

 

It was null. It sounded like you were just being courteous, which is a null tell for you. 

[LilyElizabeth]

I'm going to work on a read's list. Normally, I have gut reads on day one, but I'll try to get some reasoning in there. I have to do some ISOing first, so it'll be a while. 

[Nynaeve]

@mods   Can we get a timer with the next VC, please?

[Nolder]

 

Because I like to solidify my reads after seeing a couple flips.

A lot of things are up in the air before EOD1 but once you get the flip and the night kill things can become so much clearer.

So much so that it's barely worth posting an entire reads list so early most of the time. At least in my experience.

 

Solidifying your reads is great, but you're working on some basis here and I'd like to hear it. Not providing any initial reads is great for being able to make up whatever later and I'm not planning on giving anyone that much space. There is absolutely no reason why you would be refusing to share your initial thoughts on at least some of the players. Right now all I know is what you think of Zander. That's not okay.

 

You already know what you need to know about my initial reads.

Mainly leaning on Zander and Eldrick right now. No town reads.

[Nolder]

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

This...conflict I'm having with Zander doesn't feel natural it feels manufactured to unnecessarily aggressive from his end.

I also don't like how dodgy he's being. He doesn't expand on what he thinks about me being weird, used others reasoning, demands that I find Lily's post for him to "prove my point against him" instead of finding it himself. And the blatant misrep after Eldrick did the same thing is highly suspect imo. He's piggybacking others to cast suspicion and I don't like it at all.

 

Explain agressive with examples.

 

Explain dodgy with examples.

 

Why would I have to prove something you wre trying to use against me?

 

Show me this misrep you speak of.

 

Who have I piggybacked, explain with examples.

 

This post is aggressive.

 

Dodgy as in you wouldn't explain what was weird about me in your own words.

 

Here's a new one for you: paranoid. I wasn't trying to use anything against you I was telling everyone your post illustrated Lily's point. You think it's about you and it's not.

 

You said I voted Pral. I never voted Pral.

 

You piggybacked Alanna and Nyn. Hell you did it like 2 or 3 posts after Nyn posted. #635

[Clovdyx]

@mods   Can we get a timer with the next VC, please?

 

Yes.

[Zander?]

 

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

This...conflict I'm having with Zander doesn't feel natural it feels manufactured to unnecessarily aggressive from his end.

I also don't like how dodgy he's being. He doesn't expand on what he thinks about me being weird, used others reasoning, demands that I find Lily's post for him to "prove my point against him" instead of finding it himself. And the blatant misrep after Eldrick did the same thing is highly suspect imo. He's piggybacking others to cast suspicion and I don't like it at all.

 

Explain agressive with examples.

 

Explain dodgy with examples.

 

Why would I have to prove something you wre trying to use against me?

 

Show me this misrep you speak of.

 

Who have I piggybacked, explain with examples.

 

This post is aggressive.

 

Dodgy as in you wouldn't explain what was weird about me in your own words.

 

Here's a new one for you: paranoid. I wasn't trying to use anything against you I was telling everyone your post illustrated Lily's point. You think it's about you and it's not.

 

You said I voted Pral. I never voted Pral.

 

You piggybacked Alanna and Nyn. Hell you did it like 2 or 3 posts after Nyn posted. #635

 

 

How is this post aggressive?

 

I did explain just because you didnt like the explanation doesnt mean I didnt or dodged it.

 

It was directed at me why wouldnt I think it was about me?

 

Ya that was wrong about the vote but still correct about the reason. You said you wouldnt invite him or let him into your Town core  I give you 0.5 point for that.

 

You think I piggybacked off them for what?  Why didnt you call others out for piggybacking after I called your posts weird?

[Nolder]

 

 

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

This...conflict I'm having with Zander doesn't feel natural it feels manufactured to unnecessarily aggressive from his end.

I also don't like how dodgy he's being. He doesn't expand on what he thinks about me being weird, used others reasoning, demands that I find Lily's post for him to "prove my point against him" instead of finding it himself. And the blatant misrep after Eldrick did the same thing is highly suspect imo. He's piggybacking others to cast suspicion and I don't like it at all.

 

Explain agressive with examples.

 

Explain dodgy with examples.

 

Why would I have to prove something you wre trying to use against me?

 

Show me this misrep you speak of.

 

Who have I piggybacked, explain with examples.

 

This post is aggressive.

 

Dodgy as in you wouldn't explain what was weird about me in your own words.

 

Here's a new one for you: paranoid. I wasn't trying to use anything against you I was telling everyone your post illustrated Lily's point. You think it's about you and it's not.

 

You said I voted Pral. I never voted Pral.

 

You piggybacked Alanna and Nyn. Hell you did it like 2 or 3 posts after Nyn posted. #635

 

 

How is this post aggressive?

 

I did explain just because you didnt like the explanation doesnt mean I didnt or dodged it.

 

It was directed at me why wouldnt I think it was about me?

 

Ya that was wrong about the vote but still correct about the reason. You said you wouldnt invite him or let him into your Town core  I give you 0.5 point for that.

 

You think I piggybacked off them for what?  Why didnt you call others out for piggybacking after I called your posts weird?

 

All the spaces, asking questions I've already answered, asking me for examples when you've provided none of your own. Actually that last one is just hypocritical not aggressive.

 

You didn't explain you basically pointed and said "what those guys said". It's lazy if nothing else.

 

Because it wasn't directed at you it was clearly directed at everybody. Just because I quoted you doesn't mean I was talking to you.

 

You're really going to try to defend that? Ok. It will bury you sooner or later if you stick by it. Easier to just say you screwed up like Eldrick did.

 

You piggybacked their suspicions and their reasons. I called everyone out for saying I was weird, even Turin who hasn't answered yet why he thinks I was weird.

[Eldrick4221]

I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out why I did what I did with nyn's iso. My reason for looking it over was to find a reason for her to not be null. I didn't see anything to convince me one way or the other, and for some reason the level of fluff bugged me. So I said as much.

 

Good news is her reaction to it HAS felt like a towny response, so some good did come of it.

[Zander?]

 

All the spaces, asking questions I've already answered, asking me for examples when you've provided none of your own. Actually that last one is just hypocritical not aggressive.

 

You didn't explain you basically pointed and said "what those guys said". It's lazy if nothing else.

 

Because it wasn't directed at you it was clearly directed at everybody. Just because I quoted you doesn't mean I was talking to you.

 

You're really going to try to defend that? Ok. It will bury you sooner or later if you stick by it. Easier to just say you screwed up like Eldrick did.

 

You piggybacked their suspicions and their reasons. I called everyone out for saying I was weird, even Turin who hasn't answered yet why he thinks I was weird.

 

 

Youre casing me with something that is incorrect hence why im asking for examples which you havent been able to provide. Im not gonna try and help you build a case on me Nol....lol.  What do you mean by spaces?  You find it odd that Im asking you to prove your case against me?

 

I told you what I felt.  if you think thats lazy thats fine but youve yet to prove anything with quotes so I guess we both are lazy.

 

 

 

 

 

So let me get this straight. You're voting me for soft claiming, something Ive only ever done as Town, (yes easy to do that as Mafia as well) something I just did in my last game.  Id like a little more credit then repeating the same thing from last game  You accused me of "shoving it down" people's throats when I only made 1 non responsive post concerning it.

 

Then you say me posting is edgy cause I cant post count my way Town game.  I post just as much as either alignment and have proven more then once each way.  My posting cap is cause I was asked to, so I adjusted me play style some.  But lets make one thing clear if I want to break my post count restrictions, I will because its self imposed.

 

And also you think that in my Scum game instead of coasting off of my normal Minority villa game, I'd change my style completely take the much harder route, repeat the same thing from last game that caused people to suss me and completely avoid the path of least resistance?

 

Give your head a shake,

 

This is a good example of what Lily is talking about btw.

You're not just saying your meta here even, you're throwing it around like a weapon.

If you know your meta and even fell into it last game what's to stop you from abusing it?

I personally don't care one way or another in this case (didn't even notice a soft claim but please don't) but it really does illustrate the point she made earlier perfectly.

 

 

 

 

You quoted my post and using the words You're, hence talking to me.  Nice try tho.

 

I did say I was wrong there and in a response to Nyn.  Again nice try.

 

But you didnt say they were piggybacking which is part of your case against me.  You can see why that sticks out to me.

[Eldrick4221]

I agree with Zander here, which is how I jumped to the conclusion I did. Not wanting to invite someone into your town core isn't very far from calling them scum. Yes, you didn't vote him, but you made it sound like you were gunning for him to be on your wtl because of his meta.

[LilyElizabeth]

Here's what I have so far. Please remember that day one is hard for me, because we have no flips. Be gentle...

 

1. Turin – His reads mostly agree with mine. Strongest town read.
2. Zander – Don’t like his using his meta. That’s scummy.
3. Sooh – cutting her slack until she feels better. I personally hate it when people judge me on my posting when I’m sick or distracted.
4. Nolder – Don’t see what all the fuss is about. He seems like Nol. Null read
5. Laine – Coming after me because I came after her. And also using her meta. Scummy.
6. Nyn – Liking her content so far.
7. Pral – Waiting for him to join us
8. Eldrick – Seems like normal Eldrick to me so far.
9. Lily – most townie in all the land
10. Thane – Don’t like the 99.9% comment either, but don’t see it as terribly scummy. He admits this week is hard for him because of his work schedule. Like Sooh, I’d rather give him time. Null read for now.
11. BGrishinko – like his posts. Strong town read so far.
12. BFG - Ditto

[LilyElizabeth]

I hope you all see the joke and don't call me out on the gentle comment. 

[Eldrick4221]

Lily is obviously town. She says so.

 

I assume the ditto for BG was in reference to BFG?

[Eldrick4221]

Got those mixed up, but yea. (Was bound to happen eventually)

[Zander?]

Here's what I have so far. Please remember that day one is hard for me, because we have no flips. Be gentle...

 

1. Turin – His reads mostly agree with mine. Strongest town read.

2. Zander – Don’t like his using his meta. That’s scummy.

3. Sooh – cutting her slack until she feels better. I personally hate it when people judge me on my posting when I’m sick or distracted.

4. Nolder – Don’t see what all the fuss is about. He seems like Nol. Null read

5. Laine – Coming after me because I came after her. And also using her meta. Scummy.

6. Nyn – Liking her content so far.

7. Pral – Waiting for him to join us

8. Eldrick – Seems like normal Eldrick to me so far.

9. Lily – most townie in all the land

10. Thane – Don’t like the 99.9% comment either, but don’t see it as terribly scummy. He admits this week is hard for him because of his work schedule. Like Sooh, I’d rather give him time. Null read for now.

11. BGrishinko – like his posts. Strong town read so far.

12. BFG - Ditto

 

You keep saying using Meta is scummy but let me ask you this then, if someone is building a case on you based on Meta that is both incorrect and irrelevant based on what that person said themselves, is it not ok to use prove-able facts about said Meta to debunk the case?

 

Im not the one who brought up Meta, it was brought up against me so I proved it wrong.