[Advanced] Gods and Demons Mafia - All your souls belong to Shad (Triads win)

[Shad_]

nol  there has been some talk about people  like bfg running small games for the quieter cant keep up players in the future 

 

/in

[Calder]

I love the premise of Shad's complaint of massive content requirements being proven by the fact that I skipped his wall of text second paragraph. Genious sir.

[Zander?]

Hahaha! This is so true :)

 

I'm on mobile until lunch. I believe I posted other reasoning as well, but I can't remember. I will go back and look. Can't say that I also don't like Calders reasoning on that slot as well [so many think it's Pral that is is actually Celeste]

 

 

IMHO-  According to the CCSoHW its more then likely Pral because you can factor in hes playing MUCH differently then he normally does and Ive only seen him Town.  Whereas John is playing in accordance to his Meta either way.

[Zander?]

 

nol  there has been some talk about people  like bfg running small games for the quieter cant keep up players in the future 

 

/in

 

 

 

Just like in the Band yet another Zander Rule has been put into effect......

 

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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Sooh]

I have issues with the concepts you use to scum hunt with.

 

While your ways to look for scum that are acting town may be effective, they are also good at finding town.

 

The concept of thinking someone is scum because they are trying to contribute to town just boggles my head. I'm reading through manbat's ISO, and don't see anything wrong with him yet.

I'm going to assume this is for Turin? 

 

 

 

I'd hate for the try hard town hero to be a mislynch. Actual town heroes are good to keep around.

 

#Full Zander

 

Anywho, I'm off work now. Going home and to bed. See you guys tonight.

The it would be bad for us to lose a town asset angle. Most common argument for sure. When manbat kills us all i hope it gives you comfort.

 

Well, a lot of the time getting rid of town assets is what mafia tends to do, so monstr/manbat isn't wrong when he says he'll self resolve quickly. If he isn't killed within the first couple of phases I'll look more closely in his direction.

 

 

Also if I die:

 

If Monstr is indeed the lynch and flips Town look hard at Shad Turin and Calder.

 

If he flips Scum look at Sooh and Dice.

 

Why are these people being picked out? Because some sussed Monstr and some wanted to clear him or at least give him more space? I don't think you should clear me or Dice for Monstr flipping town. We could have TMI and not want to be associated with his lynch. At the same time Shad, Turin and Calder may just as well be town and just wrong. I don't mean not to look hard at people. That's what you're supposed to do, I just don't think you can so easily single out a group, you have to look at all interactions. 

[Lenlo]

Zander is not the only one to have claimed that their role changed overnight. I believe both Lenlo and Hallia have soft claimed role adjustments. They have already put that out. I am not asking everyone. Just those that have already claimed or soft claimed.

 

Eldrick, read the first post in your reply. It specifically says to those that have already claimed.

Thats not what you said before

[Eldrick4221]

I love the premise of Shad's complaint of massive content requirements being proven by the fact that I skipped his wall of text second paragraph. Genious sir.

Lol. So did I.

[Turin Turambar]

Sooh, I think he was referring to Calder.

[Turin Turambar]

 

Zander is not the only one to have claimed that their role changed overnight. I believe both Lenlo and Hallia have soft claimed role adjustments. They have already put that out. I am not asking everyone. Just those that have already claimed or soft claimed.

 

Eldrick, read the first post in your reply. It specifically says to those that have already claimed.

Thats not what you said before

Show me.

[Eldrick4221]

@Sooh

 

It was for calder. He responded.

[Zander?]

 

I have issues with the concepts you use to scum hunt with.

 

While your ways to look for scum that are acting town may be effective, they are also good at finding town.

 

The concept of thinking someone is scum because they are trying to contribute to town just boggles my head. I'm reading through manbat's ISO, and don't see anything wrong with him yet.

I'm going to assume this is for Turin? 

 

 

 

I'd hate for the try hard town hero to be a mislynch. Actual town heroes are good to keep around.

 

#Full Zander

 

Anywho, I'm off work now. Going home and to bed. See you guys tonight.

The it would be bad for us to lose a town asset angle. Most common argument for sure. When manbat kills us all i hope it gives you comfort.

 

Well, a lot of the time getting rid of town assets is what mafia tends to do, so monstr/manbat isn't wrong when he says he'll self resolve quickly. If he isn't killed within the first couple of phases I'll look more closely in his direction.

 

 

Also if I die:

 

If Monstr is indeed the lynch and flips Town look hard at Shad Turin and Calder.

 

If he flips Scum look at Sooh and Dice.

 

Why are these people being picked out? Because some sussed Monstr and some wanted to clear him or at least give him more space? I don't think you should clear me or Dice for Monstr flipping town. We could have TMI and not want to be associated with his lynch. At the same time Shad, Turin and Calder may just as well be town and just wrong. I don't mean not to look hard at people. That's what you're supposed to do, I just don't think you can so easily single out a group, you have to look at all interactions. 

 

 

I didnt say clear you and Dice if he flips Town I said look into you guys Hard if he flips Scum.

[Calder]

Sooh, I think he was referring to Calder.

He was.

[Turin Turambar]

Question for zander and Eldrick, did you get your pm changing your role at start of night or at end of night. anyone else that has already claimed a second role pm can weigh in here also.

 

I have a reason and will give it if asked.

Here is my original question.

[Shad_]

Aaand up to here.

 

I honestly don't know about Monstr. I can't tell alignment YET, but from the way I remember him before I can't say I've seen anything scummy in his posts. If there is, somebody has to point that out to me. I'm not ISOing yet (I don't have time tbh).

 

Shad has a few posts that make me nod in agreement, but he has also had a few posts that have really puzzled me. I find my read of him fluctuating depending on whether I nodded or shook my head last time I read one of his posts, and this worries me. I usually peg Shad from the beginning (though he has fooled me as scum before).

 

Dice, if you're still around. What are your opinions on Shad/Monstr? Other people can feel free to chip in as well.

Red, what sort of thing are you looking for? What did you make of his responses to me irt Laine?

[Hallia]

Zander - I have seen Pral be scum and its basically the same.

[Zander?]

Zander - I have seen Pral be scum and its basically the same.

 

 

Id like to hear others weigh in on this cause I certainly dont feel like hes been playing the same as the Town!Pral Ive seen at all imo.

[Zander?]

This thread needs some Alannnnnnnnnnnnnnna imo!!!!!!!!

[Zander?]

and I want to hear more from BFG

[Sooh]

Calder's progression on Monstr Last night

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd hate for the try hard town hero to be a mislynch. Actual town heroes are good to keep around.

 

#Full Zander

 

Anywho, I'm off work now. Going home and to bed. See you guys tonight.

The it would be bad for us to lose a town asset angle. Most common argument for sure. When manbat kills us all i hope it gives you comfort.

Will try to check in today but its a busy one as I have to get out of DC tonight before we get 30 inches of snow tomorrow.

 

[v]manbat[/v]

 

Gonna stand by my D0 read. But, would be nice to get a few more people in here to present some other options.

 

You went from sussing Monstr D0, to basically clearing him last night during our back and forth and now voting him after he stopped posting?

 

I dont get this at all

I read his D1 interactions fine. Which is what I was discussing yesterday. Dont know why you think viewing recent posts as better last night accounts as clearing.

 

But, if my option is trust my D0 read or push a potential lurker, i am gonna trust my initial read.

 

 

 

 

And yes, reading me wrong is your fault

 

I don't care how "wolfy" you think I am

Damn. Gonna be hard to vote you bc of this. I have always hated the do something random mafia attitude then if corrected take credit, if wrong oh well was his fault. (In general observation)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I cant even consider clearing you atp with these responses man im sorry.....you can ridicule me all you want if im wrong.

You have no idea how to play this game

Only recent post I didnt like from manbat. However, frustration attacks are pretty null for a lot of players. They rub me the wrong way, but can prob write this off bc his activity level already shows his investment level.

 

Didnt you have Monstr as scum all game?

Yea I have. But, trying to reavaluate as I go. I really don't mind his recent posts. Seem like frustration from legitimate time investment. He has thrown a lot out there and seems more like a frustrated player that is town and trying to be heard now than scum angered their leader ploy didnt work.

 

 

 

 

How well do you know manbat? I feel like there's a connection between you two.

Never played with him before. But he fits a classic try hard Town hero archetype. Those types are consistent.

 

 

 

At least I dont think I have played with him before. Only 1 other game on this site. If Turin is right and the questioning of D0 is nonsensical than it should be manbat today.

 

 

Will try to check in today but its a busy one as I have to get out of DC tonight before we get 30 inches of snow tomorrow.

 

[v]manbat[/v]

 

Gonna stand by my D0 read. But, would be nice to get a few more people in here to present some other options.

 

 

 

Can someone else read this and tell me if they find it a little strange or if its just me?

Yeah, it's a very abrupt change of stance.

 

 

The order of those posts is weird Zander. But, I stand by all that. Day 1 felt more genuine than D0. Wouldnt even suspect him from D1 activity alone. But, D0 did happen and improvement in post vibe does not erase those initial feelings and that the read may have been correct.

 

So if I understand you right you're saying that he was scummy D0, and that's what you're voting him for, but his progression on D1 has been towny?

 

 

 

I expect that if they changed at start of night then it would be more likely that there were mafia on D0 and the roles were just added on. If at end of night then IMO it is more likely that mafia didn't know who they were until D1 started.

 

That is my thinking anyway.

 

 

I dont really see the time getting the role changes would indicate if we had Scum D0 or not.

 

Zander, I think what Turin is trying to say is that if the role change PMs went out at the beginning of N0 the roles would have been predetermined and ready to go as soon as the Night started, but if they went out at the end of N0/start D1 they might have been determined by actions taken on D0.

 

 

 

[Shad_]

im leaning town on monstr     as i said i cant read him but he made efforts to help me with that  i cant say hes said anything scummy  but i am not taiking the ATE either way

 

 

 

shad    im scratching my head  im not totally getting why he is going at monstr

In a nutshell: I think his game changed on D1. He went from playing open to playing closed. He went from giving reads and explaining why to 'testing' people but not expressing much in the way of conclusions. When I pointed out he'd contradicted himself on Laine, he gave a sort of textbook answer instead of articulating his thought process further. I don't like the way he blew up under pressure, because I feel like he's the sort of player who can fake that and its only productive end is to get people to back off without actually working towards a solve.

[Zander?]

I think Clov and Cory had everything predetermined before this game started imo.

[Sooh]

Sooh, I think he was referring to Calder.

Ah yes! That makes sense. Thank you.

[Sooh]

 

 

I have issues with the concepts you use to scum hunt with.

 

While your ways to look for scum that are acting town may be effective, they are also good at finding town.

 

The concept of thinking someone is scum because they are trying to contribute to town just boggles my head. I'm reading through manbat's ISO, and don't see anything wrong with him yet.

I'm going to assume this is for Turin? 

 

 

 

I'd hate for the try hard town hero to be a mislynch. Actual town heroes are good to keep around.

 

#Full Zander

 

Anywho, I'm off work now. Going home and to bed. See you guys tonight.

The it would be bad for us to lose a town asset angle. Most common argument for sure. When manbat kills us all i hope it gives you comfort.

 

Well, a lot of the time getting rid of town assets is what mafia tends to do, so monstr/manbat isn't wrong when he says he'll self resolve quickly. If he isn't killed within the first couple of phases I'll look more closely in his direction.

 

 

Also if I die:

 

If Monstr is indeed the lynch and flips Town look hard at Shad Turin and Calder.

 

If he flips Scum look at Sooh and Dice.

 

Why are these people being picked out? Because some sussed Monstr and some wanted to clear him or at least give him more space? I don't think you should clear me or Dice for Monstr flipping town. We could have TMI and not want to be associated with his lynch. At the same time Shad, Turin and Calder may just as well be town and just wrong. I don't mean not to look hard at people. That's what you're supposed to do, I just don't think you can so easily single out a group, you have to look at all interactions. 

 

 

 

 

I didnt say clear you and Dice if he flips Town I said look into you guys Hard if he flips Scum.

 

Fair enough.

[monstrman]

I'll be honest I have no interest in continuing to play this game because even if I survive y'all are gonna continue to suspect me for dumb reasons for the rest of the game and I don't have the time or patience to deal with that so you might as well lynch me

 

I'm not claiming, so nothing else exciting is going to happen today

 

And Zander I don't care how much you say "oh man you could clear yourself though" you had already decided you were always going to lynch me this game and nothing I have said or will ever say or could ever possibly say would have or will ever convince you otherwise.

[monstrman]

If you decided not to lynch me guess what that wouldn't be because of me either

 

Like I said before also I firmly believe all scum were in the town d0 and I think anyone trying to press that theory super hard is > rand scum