Diablo the mafia game!

[Zander?]

I was experessi n g a positive read on Besie, whom I have never played with before. I said I didn't wanna lynch him cause I couldn't read him D1. If Yates is that confident though I figure what the hell, see what happens.

 

I'm still not a fan of what Clov has done this game or how he handled you. Thing is, it's not enough to lock scum him. At best the lowest read I have, Clov, is null to scum. So I decided to give my support to someone I think is town who is very confident in his scum read on someone.

 

vote lenlo.

[Lenlo]

I'm gonna flip town.

 

This EOD really caught me by surprise. I wasn't paying attention to how long the days were at all until yesterday. Oh well.

[Lenlo]

That's a sudden quick flip for you btw Zander, considering you were town reading me till I decided vote you.

[Zander?]

That's a sudden quick flip for you btw Zander, considering you were town reading me till I decided vote you.

 

ditto

[seph]

Vote Count

 

 

 

Bender (3/13) Dice, Yates, Lenlo

 

Lenlo (4/13) AJ, Shadooh, Thane, Bender

 

Taborline (1/13) Clov

 

 

Not Voting (5/13)

Pralaya, Notbob, Tress, Tab, BFG

[BFG]

Evening :)

[BFG]

Clov you around?

[BFG]

Lenlo can you explain why you contradicted yourself earlier when you initially said that you didn't like Zander asking Yates about his 'peek' stuff then in another post said you liked it for the attention Sander was paying?

 

Can you explain your current read on Clov?

[BFG]

I've skimmed most of the thread but need to read through properly, I'll be around for a while to chat if anyone's here?

[Andrej]

I'm around.

[BFG]

:)

 

Currently trying to balance chicken and chorizo casserole and my tablet, so I may be slow to respond

 

Can you explain what you meant by 'Your posts on pg15 I like a lot and remind me of the gloriously chinned brute that is Fishdyx, hence the unvote'

[BFG]

How much of your read on Lenlo and Clov is associated?

[Andrej]

Sounds yummy :)

 

And sure.

 

Around that time Clov started engaging more and adding commentary that I thought was pretty good.

[Shad_]

I'm aroundish. Poking my head in every 20 min or so

[Andrej]

Associated?

 

I wouldn't say much. Clov got more villagery and I think Lenlo's approach was bad. He hasn't really progressed from his "best option" stance which I thought was bad in the first place.

[BFG]

Can you show me where Clov got more villagery? My takeaway from Clov this game is that he's being far more passive and reactive than I associate with Clov; honestly Clov in general, But particularly town! Clov

 

I agree Lenlo's 'progression' is poor, but what was his 'progression' on fakeSili last game?

[Andrej]

On page 15, like I said. I can't drag up quotes but I responded to some of his posts that I thought were good in my mini-WOT around pg 16 or 17.

 

I don't know if I would count Lenlo's progression in the alt game as that serious. He admitted himself a lot of his push on fake Sili was playing to his character.

[Shad_]

Was that Lenlo? I remember there was a town player who I said I would probably lynch for his push on scum!Sili. Need to look into that...

[Zander?]

i prtty buzzed bu5t im round!!!!

[BFG]

 

 

 

Lenlo's push on Clov and Bender's push on Yates were both flawed.  The fact that Clov/Yates were able to refute them doesn't say anything about Clov or Yates' alignment.  I didn't fully wrap my head around Bender vs Yates but got a lot of v/v vibes from it on first read, and I think a lot of the conflict came out of interpreting the same data differently.  It's something I doubt I'll have time to look at again before deadline.

 

Lenlo's push on Clov was straight-up factually bogus in bold, painful ways.  My gut reaction in hydra QT (which has been a monologue so far) was to call it twtbaw, mainly because I felt he paid slightly more attention as a wolf in Matrix.  I thought town!Lenlo might be a little overzealous and not stop to consider what he was saying.  I've since started to remember stuff like scum reading Rack and null reading Thane while throwing them in his town and scum piles respectively in Matrix, and I think the whole failure to pay attention thing does not deserve any sort of pass.

 

Maybe the biggest issue with Lenlo's go at Clov is that he never really went back to reassess it.  His vote is still there and he's said he's fine with that.  I can see scum making a bad aggro move early on or town fishing for reactions to evaluate later, but I struggle to accept that Lenlo continues to believe, right now, that the case he built against Clov at that time had a leg to stand on.  (Even if Clov is mafia.)  His points were massively out of context--stuff like calling out Clov for being overly defensive when Clov was responding to a direct question made one post above him. And his thought process was contradictory on the surface.  If I find the time I'll go back and dissect it to show you exactly where I'm coming from, but I have a long day ahead of me and Ollie doesn't go to bed until after DL.  My last comment in hydra QT was that in the absence of any meta I would [v]Lenlo[/v] right now, and I think I'll roll with that.

 

I peeked Dice.  Thane strongest town atm.  Feeling good about AJ and BFG.

 

Am I sheeping AJ a little?  Yeah maybe.

 

 

I've already said that parts of that case weren't great and I just used them to get Clov to react Shad. That daid, he is still my best option for today.

 

I would like you to go back and dissect it. More posts is more to read.

 

 

Shadooh? Who is Shad hydraed with? I completely missed that and might need to reevaluate the slot.

 

 

You should be lynched for this.

 

Heh, you do know that last game we had a townie who missed that we had a mod-confirmed Innocent Child?

 

I'm still mixed on Lenlo, but he's not being lynched for this (probably)

[BFG]

Was that Lenlo? I remember there was a town player who I said I would probably lynch for his push on scum!Sili. Need to look into that...

Lenlo was Zander that game, I don't know who you'd have lynched

[BFG]

On page 15, like I said. I can't drag up quotes but I responded to some of his posts that I thought were good in my mini-WOT around pg 16 or 17.

 

I don't know if I would count Lenlo's progression in the alt game as that serious. He admitted himself a lot of his push on fake Sili was playing to his character.

A lot of the initial push was, then he backed off, but didn't drop the read. The problem I have is that I agree with him (and that probably hurts me more than Clov

[BFG]

i prtty buzzed bu5t im round!!!!

Sounds like fun :)

 

Is Bessie around? I have questions...

 

What's your read on Lenlo and why did it switch?

[BFG]

(also sorry Besie. I'm trying to catch my tablets autocorrect of your name, but I'm missing a fair few )

[Cory Caboose]

Heh, you do know that last game we had a townie who missed that we had a mod-confirmed Innocent Child?

 

Darthe is always an exception though.

 

Don't lower the bar for everyone else.