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  On 10/28/2015 at 4:49 PM, Lenlo said:

Its really starting to get to me, like I have no idea why people are clearing you Zander. Its almost purely off of your personality and its legitimately infuriating.

 

Someone that isnt Shad or Zander please explain just what the heck you people see in him, cause I just see a carefree coasting attitude similar to what I used to try to do, just taken to the extreme. 

 

It's just the way he always is, in this game, in other parts of the forum, on chats, it's just his personality. I don't know him well enough in the game to be able to see beyond it yet, though, so he's not 100% clear for me.

Thane Vakarian Grand Master

Thane Vakarian

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  On 10/28/2015 at 4:31 PM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:01 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Dice would be town this game imo. Nomi, not so sure

You think? I'm having trouble coming to this conclusion. What are you seeing?

 

Yates, his play has gone nearly FullDICE, but nothing says wolf here to me. I'm highly trusting my gut here for the moment. When the game continues and we have a few flips, we'll see more clearly.

 

dice is not a target this D1.  

Zander? Spam Master

Zander?

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  On 10/28/2015 at 4:54 AM, Nomi Sunrider said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:44 AM, dicetosser1 said:

@nomi   you have blatantly said i am someone else but im not going to tell the whole truth of that. theres grounds for distrust to start. then you contradict youself regarding rack.

 

dont like my vote? too bad. you said ureself that u distrust players who dont share and lynch them in a neutral setting. Im practicing what u are preaching

Hypocrisy and consistency are the hobgoblins of scummy minds.

 

You are playing a contrived gotcha game and you are blatantly scum at this point. You can be the day one lynch, unquestionably.

 

Others have suspected me with townie thought processes. Yours is never one.

 

[unvote]Hallia

 

[vote]Dicetosser[/vote]

 

I will ISO you to see if your body of work to date can get me to disagree with myself here.

 

I'd also like someone more impartial to take a look at you. OMGUS is a great solving method for townies but at this point, I will have some manner of confirmation bias when ISOing you, so I don't know how fair I can be.

 

I'll still make the attempt, but you are on very thin ice in my world, here.

 

 

 

Nomi looking pretty good here imo

 

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 5:30 AM, Lenlo said:

Shad, id prefer it if you didnt put words in Zanders mouth/defend him with semantics (EXP: "Zander's initial vote on Lenlo was a joke. Just like, accept that. It's a Zander thing.") . Feel free to debate with Rack, but let Zander stand on his own two feet and defend himself some. I wanna see how he handles it and it would also qualify as him posting original content which would make me feel better about reading him.

 

Nomi, its a fairly low bar I know, but if its one he cant jump over then either hes scum or a poor town. Neither of which I see much problem with lynching if it helps us solve the game. As for his ratio to OC to posts, its not just different its incredibly low.

 

the best defense is a good offense and a never give up attitude imo

 

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Sooh Spam Master

Sooh

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  On 10/28/2015 at 4:16 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:14 PM, Sooh said:

This whole "I'm keeping my cards close to my chest" and "I'd rather they didn't know I was looking at them" thing, is that common for him as town?

 

It's common for WF players in either alignment

 

They don't like making reads

 

Rack can be a villagery villager but sometimes his ranges can get muddled

 

I would say he's well within his wolf range aorn

 

I want to vote him, and at the same time the darned "leave the newbies be on D1"-thing is keeping me from it. 

 

Still not sure about Dice. I find him very suspicious, but if Cory says he's town I'll believe that. At least today. 

Thane Vakarian Grand Master

Thane Vakarian

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  On 10/28/2015 at 4:50 PM, cory caboose said:

Zander/Lenlo argument is just a distraction at this point

 

Lenlo, Zander doesn't care that you don't care for his fire-from-the-hips say whatever comes to mind rely on gut personality and playstyle, he's #nofilter and this is what he does. Feelers gonna feel.

 

Zander, Lenlo doesn't care that you don't like his rigidness and value in explanations and linear thinking over just sort of feeling your way through things. This has been Lenlo for years and at least he's talking and I'm interested in what Lenlo has to say about things other than you but every time the thread moves in an interesting direction you two are going at it like jackrabbits. Thinkers gonna think.

 

Kiss and make up

Cory, i doubt i have told you that i :wub: you this game yet...

 

so: :wub:

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Taborline

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  On 10/28/2015 at 4:54 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:31 PM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:01 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Dice would be town this game imo. Nomi, not so sure

You think? I'm having trouble coming to this conclusion. What are you seeing?

 

Yates, his play has gone nearly FullDICE, but nothing says wolf here to me. I'm highly trusting my gut here for the moment. When the game continues and we have a few flips, we'll see more clearly.

 

dice is not a target this D1.  

 

 

You keep making me want to vote Dice even more.

Sooh Spam Master

Sooh

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  On 10/28/2015 at 4:38 PM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:13 PM, Sooh said:

It's a gut feeling. I can't really explain it, because in my eyes Cory is really good at replicating his town game as scum. Laine has always been a difficult read for me, but Cory makes that hydra towny for me now.

Yeah. So you see why I would be surprised at your read, yes? I mean, are Clov and I really that much harder for you to figure out? I know you struggle with your Lainey reads. I know you know Cory can replicate his Town game as wolf. And somehow you have come to the conclusion that two people you have - by your own admission - confirmed history of having difficulty solving are Town? It just seems weird because I would expect to see "Corlanna/Clov/Yates Hard to read day one" from you MUCH more often.

 

You bolded the wrong thing. I help.

Thane Vakarian Grand Master

Thane Vakarian

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  On 10/28/2015 at 4:56 PM, Taborline said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:54 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:31 PM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:01 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Dice would be town this game imo. Nomi, not so sure

You think? I'm having trouble coming to this conclusion. What are you seeing?

 

Yates, his play has gone nearly FullDICE, but nothing says wolf here to me. I'm highly trusting my gut here for the moment. When the game continues and we have a few flips, we'll see more clearly.

 

dice is not a target this D1.  

 

 

You keep making me want to vote Dice even more.

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:56 PM, Taborline said:

In a very "These aren't the droids you're looking for" sort of way.

i suppose these two are connected?

 

i'll take the role of obi wan gladly then. "Dice is not the wolf you're looking for. Move along"

Taborline Community Regular

Taborline

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  On 10/28/2015 at 5:10 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:56 PM, Taborline said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:54 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:31 PM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:01 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Dice would be town this game imo. Nomi, not so sure

You think? I'm having trouble coming to this conclusion. What are you seeing?

 

Yates, his play has gone nearly FullDICE, but nothing says wolf here to me. I'm highly trusting my gut here for the moment. When the game continues and we have a few flips, we'll see more clearly.

 

dice is not a target this D1.  

 

 

You keep making me want to vote Dice even more.

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:56 PM, Taborline said:

In a very "These aren't the droids you're looking for" sort of way.

i suppose these two are connected?

 

i'll take the role of obi wan gladly then. "Dice is not the wolf you're looking for. Move along"

 

 

Oops, they were connected yes.

 

Shad, reads are looking like:

 

Sili

Corlanna

 

Zander

Clov

 

Yates

Shad

BFG

Rack

Hallia

Parlaya

Sooh

 

Nomi

Lenlo

 

Thane

Dice

 

My Town reads are, at this point, more gut than anything. I feel comfortable with Corlanna and Sili, they seem consistent with how I've played with them before, though apparently Cory is really good at being townie when he's a wolf, so we'll see.

Zander? Spam Master

Zander?

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  On 10/28/2015 at 8:22 AM, BFG said:

Morning :)

 

Sorry for extended absence, this week has been busier than expected :/ I should have an hour or so late this evening, but no proper time till tomorrow night.

 

Oddly I find myself irritated both by the group of people pointing out my inactivity and bemused/irritated by the people who were pointing fingers at Hallia, Tabor, Thane, Sooh and not me :rolleyes: this is something I'll be paying attention to later.

 

For Sooh, Tabor, Zander

 

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I've just about skimmed through the thread, which isn't massively helpful since I can't remember much.

 

 

 

Shad is my easiest town read, which I never thought I'd say after Pulp Fiction, but his posts feel less polished(?) constructed(?) (not sure the word I'm looking for) than his most recent game as mafia. He's also pointed out things that caught my attention (such as the amount Thane had posted (when a couple of people (Laine/???) pointed to Thane's reads list and questioned Lenlo about it, I don't recall if Lenlo responded/acknowledged Thane's later posts or not though) when Lenlo made his initial reads). (minor point but Shad's focus is also broader this game, he tends to focus in on a couple of players as suspects when mafia, whereas this game seems to be looking ~everywhere, having said that I don't really know where he's looking at for mafia, so this is based more off his looking for town.)

 

Although not as confident I also like the look of Zander this game. Not sure I can say it's a town tell as such, because I don't think we've towned together since his first game but he's explaining a lot more of his thoughts this game than I'm used to as opposed to just quoting random posts and leaving it up to everyone else to interpret for him. It's a good look regardless :)

 

I'm also ~liking Nomi, although I suspect it's to soon to have strong feelings here. Generally it's ease of posting, although if he's played here before and is comfortable with the people playing it won't mean as much, but there are reasoned thoughts given easily that make sense with thread flow.

 

Thane I really want to call town for his early, unpressured involvement but he's skirting one thing that makes me extremely wary. The involvement is probably the bigger thing at the moment, so town for now :)

 

At the moment I'm most suspicious of Dice, I didn't recall much from him from reading through (choosing to respond to fluff mostly, I think there were a couple of game comments, he started the Hallia meta thing, but didn't follow up outside of responding to Clov, if it interested him why not look at the other people involved in the discussion?) and I don't 'get' his policy vote on Nomi. Will probably be concentrating here tonight. His recent 'thesaurus' comment made me smile, but it's odd that he refers to mafia being inconsistent specifically. Will look forward to rereading this later on.

 

 

Unfortunately everyone else is in a mushy category of general paranoia, confusion, or my poor memory not remembering enough of what they've posted. This will be rectified tomorrow :)

 

 

its BFG!!!!

 

BFG making BFG posts and I like it!!!

 

and i pretty much love her reads!!!!

 

 

Clov was right this game got a whole lot better now!!!!

Zander? Spam Master

Zander?

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  On 10/28/2015 at 8:53 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 8:34 AM, dicetosser1 said:

why is it odd BFG?? I think Nomi is mafia and its because of that inconstancy. That is something I look for

Partly because everyone's inconsistent

 

Mostly because it seemed different (although since Nomi hasn't responded with this, maybe I'm misreading/understanding). Nomi was talking about a players reads/thought process when it's difficult to read a townie without them (irony I know), whereas you're annoyed that he's not sharing his usual name. They're different things (in my head, one's in game and one's out of game) and you said you didn't care about meta, so I don't understand why it bothers you. Likewise your thoughts on alt accounts are out of game related unless you suspect him of cheating (which is ruled out since Nolder is aware of it)

 

 

 

FYI- BFG is the voice of reason and logic here and in a Mad Mad Town that is a true asset.

Zander? Spam Master

Zander?

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  On 10/28/2015 at 9:28 AM, Thane Vakarian said:

alright.... quite a tad to read. 

 

first things first: Nomi, Dice... this is a game. Unpleasantries and such are not wanted in the game, so please suck it up, jump into an icebath and come back when you've achieved normal body temperature before posting aggresive stuff in the thread. It makes a catch up/reread unnecessarily unpleasant.

 

Now, secondly, before i spoiler all my little notes here, there's something standing out to me which i'd like to adress: @Nomi: post 893, you state i have the potential to be an endgame wolf. This makes me think about Dice's statement about you. Do you have an alt here and have we played before? Statements like the one you made ring very loud. And they make me very suspicious of you. 

 

Furthermore: Hi BFG! Stay in the game, please? I need me some BFG this game *nods and hands drink*

 

few little notes here, which i will share with you once more so you can try to figure out how my mind works.

 

 

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unvote

 

There's another one now that i am mightily suspicious of

 

[v] Nomi [/v]

 

I would like some explaning from you. There's too much from you bothering me at the moment.

 

 

though i think Thane has Nomi and Dice wrong posts like this cements Thane as one of it not my top town read!!!

 

Also agree with what he has to say besides the read

 

Great job pops!!!

 

Zander? Spam Master

Zander?

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  On 10/28/2015 at 9:53 AM, Nolder said:

 

Votecount

Nomi - Clov, Dice, Thane (3)
Zander - Pral, Rack, Sili (3)
Sooh - Lenlo  (1)

Lenlo - Zander (1)

Rack - Corlanna (1)

Hallia - Sooh (1)
Corlanna - Shad (1)

Dice - Nomi (1)

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: Friday 30th 3PM PST.

 

 

 

 

 

these trains suck badly imo

Taborline Community Regular

Taborline

Posted
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  On 10/28/2015 at 5:21 PM, Shad_ said:

Do you think Dice and Nomi can be w/w or does a scum flip from one clear the other?

 

No, I don't think a flip would necessarily clear the other.

Shad_ Spam Master

Shad_

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  On 10/28/2015 at 5:38 PM, Taborline said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 5:21 PM, Shad_ said:

Do you think Dice and Nomi can be w/w or does a scum flip from one clear the other?

 

No, I don't think a flip would necessarily clear the other.

 

 

Have you played with Dice before?

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