Frozen Mafia Game Thread--GAME OVER--MAFIA WIN

[Zander?]

JFC Im Dice's adopted father???!!!!

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Zaaaaaander

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I checked my role pm for that and I noticed the win condition is when all mafia members are eliminated.  There is no third party.  Kaylee is lock clear imo.

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oh god oh god tinfoiling on Zander and AJ somebody help me

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Anyway 30 minutes, Sooh didn't show up with like, a second Innocent Child claim or anything.  Neither of you plan to vote yourselves.  It's inevitable.  Sooh, are you prepared to greet death?

[Zander?]

oh god oh god tinfoiling on Zander and AJ somebody help me

 

 

 

Think SW Town!Zander man..,Im TOWN.

[Sooh]

If you are on and town tell me before you die.  You seem to know Frozen pretty well.  The characters and rolls seem to match up in this game.  Do you think a serial killer makes any sense?

From what I know of Frozen I can't see any character that would fit well as a SK.

[Sooh]

I don't have anything more to claim for you. If you need to lynch me to see that I'm town, then that's what you have to do. 

 

I don't have any abilities outside of my vote. 

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Death takes you!



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[v]Sooh[/v]

[Zander?]

Thats Hammer....Sooh please confirm flip like Csarmi did.

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AH, I request if possible that you don't end the next night phase early if there is one.  I'll be out most of the day, would like to have another chance to look at things tonight.

[Sooh]

I can confirm that I am Queen Iduna, VT.

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[Zander?]

AH not back for like 5-6 hours to confirm.  then like 12 hour night.  if it isnt Sooh you still want the full 12?

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AJ?  Zander?     This game is pretty weird.

[Zander?]

I can confirm that I am Queen Iduna, VT.

 

 

 

fml

[Zander?]

AJ?  Zander?     This game is pretty weird.

 

SHAD IM TOWN!!!

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I have to go work for a while.  Check out Kaylee's comments on Razen and Hallia and when they happened for yourselves.  I will again tonight, but I don't think she can be scum here and my role pm seems to rule out 3p.  That leaves the two of you who I just lynched Sooh with.  Kind of freaky.  <_<

[Zander?]

fwiw i wanted to vote Kaylee.

[Zander?]

in theory then does Sooh;s Character confirm AJ's?

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On second thought, I don't have the energy to reread this game over and over again.  I might if I have time but I'm not going to ask you all to hold out for the full deadline just for my sake.  I'm going to take one last look at Kaylee right now while I have a little break.

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Sili and Dice are both trying to misrep each other. I don't see where Dice said he was clearing Zander - and I don't see where Sili said he was clearing Sooh. Sili gave a reason after he posted that Sooh was town - he believes she has difficulty faking tone. Dice's only mentions of Zander came when he voted him.

 

 

@ Sili - If you felt people were clearing Zander too early - who are they besides Dice? You posted this before Dice had even posted his first post:

 

Uh. Ppl clearing zander too fast.

 

Sooh town.

Why aren't you pushing those people over Dice then?

 

But what I find interesting is that we have two quick unexplained votes on Sili - and two people sitting on the fence about it. I like AJ's vote less than Zander's - Zander at least attempted to justify his, even though I don't agree with the justification. Disagreeing with Dice's assessment of the situation doesn't warrant a vote by itself, IMO. I don't like the wait and see attitude that Sooh and Thane are taking either.

 

[v]AJ[/v]

 

Bold: Just...no! I don't think they were trying. At least not Dice. Sili might've been for reactions, but felt like they were just misunderstanding each other honestly.

Blue: I like the question.

I agree on liking the vote that wasn't explained (AJ's)

 

--snip--

 

 

Razen Quote that got messed up....

 

 

Yes. Sili did initially twist Dice's words to reach an untrue conclusion. But it worked. And from that point - it's not a misrep. When I reread it closely - Dice never said anything about clearing Zander until pressed by Sili - he even voted him as a joke. That's not clearing behavior, if you ask me. So why pick Dice to hop on out of all people regarding the clearing of Zander initially? He is the first one to bring the post up. And Sili hops all over him for that. Initially - it's wrong. He makes the assumption that Dice has cleared Zander based on tone when he hadn't actually done that at that point in the game. Because as Dice pointed out - he hadn't mentioned Zander being town or anything when he had initially posted. That doesn't happen until later.

 

 

Sili Quirrels, on 12 Sept 2015 - 9:20 PM, said:

 

dicetosser1, on 12 Sept 2015 - 9:09 PM, said:

 

who said my conclusion is wrong? you come in saying Zanders getting cleared too quick   he basically got cleared for exactly the same reason you cleared sooh in the next sentence.

 

you say its bad one sentence and then do it yourself. Thats definitely talking out both sides of your mouth imo and I dont really see that as a good thing.

 

Even if i do agree that sooh is town based on the same thing you explain later. her tone.

 

But you didnt say that here you just threw out a double standard.

So let's be clear here. If you don't have a double standard, you are clearing Zander for faking tone when he spent the last mafia game showcasing how well he could fake tone?

 

And I am not 'clearing' Sooh so don't even.

 

But in the purple - Dice caves. He admits he's clearing Zander. Where Dice says "he basically got cleared for exactly the same reason you cleared sooh.."

 

The red is the point of Sili's push on Dice - which given the purple, is now a valid point to make. It's the part where Sili says "you are clearing Zander for faking tone..."

 

And yet Dice takes care to go back and say "I didn't clear Zander anywhere - you're misrepping me Sili."

 

I quoted the massive post where he does that below. In spoiler, so it doesn't kill people's eyes.

 

It's not a misrep at all from Sili after the purple point - it reads to me like Dice is going back to try and cover for his inadvertent admission regarding Zander. And call Sili out for making a bogus point when it really isn't.

 

 

 

I can understand if Dice didn't realize that he actually made that statement regarding clearing Zander because of tone. But he made it - and that's what drew my attention. And what's very interesting is that AJ basically saw fit to hop along with that bogus reasoning that Dice put out there. Zander uses Sili's refusal to address the point anymore as the basis for his vote - which looks better from Zander, but again - it's based on the assumption that Dice didn't actually say what he did. Dice's vote is pure OMGUS - the others, not so much. And those are the ones I'm concerned with.

 

(Teal is the rest of Razen talking...sorry again for the messed up quote).

 

 

Bold: Fair enough.

Underlined Teal: No that's not what Dice was saying...the underlined is a misrep and a scummy push. (leaning orange on Razen for that).

Underlined Italics: Considering the purple and how you explained it is wrong, this is a further misrep and is just a gross push. The rest of the teal is just more Razen spinning things to fit is agenda.

 

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Prior to that I had challenged Razen but not gunned for him and Zander had said:

 

Razen can town as scum as well Thane. Not saying he's scummy but we were partners in TUS.

after Kaylee, AJ said:

 

Finally settled in after the weekend trip, 9 pages isn't that bad so let me read up and comment on whatever.

 

Shouldn't take long

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Quick takes:

 

-Kaylee practically locked in as town unless she's heavily changed her scum meta since I last played with her.  Her analysis MQ was a huge townie indicator for me.

Just sayin'.

 

So D1 Kaylee first and AJ second go all out scumcrushing on Razen. Zander joins after that in his catch-up posts:

 

 

 

 

Sili and Dice are both trying to misrep each other. I don't see where Dice said he was clearing Zander - and I don't see where Sili said he was clearing Sooh. Sili gave a reason after he posted that Sooh was town - he believes she has difficulty faking tone. Dice's only mentions of Zander came when he voted him.

 

 

@ Sili - If you felt people were clearing Zander too early - who are they besides Dice? You posted this before Dice had even posted his first post:

 

Uh. Ppl clearing zander too fast.

 

Sooh town.

Why aren't you pushing those people over Dice then?

 

But what I find interesting is that we have two quick unexplained votes on Sili - and two people sitting on the fence about it. I like AJ's vote less than Zander's - Zander at least attempted to justify his, even though I don't agree with the justification. Disagreeing with Dice's assessment of the situation doesn't warrant a vote by itself, IMO. I don't like the wait and see attitude that Sooh and Thane are taking either.

 

[v]AJ[/v]

 

WOLFY.

 

you list a bunch of bad stuff about Sili and Dice and then vote AJ??

 

WTH??

 

i HATE this post

 

 

 

Sili and Dice are both trying to misrep each other. I don't see where Dice said he was clearing Zander - and I don't see where Sili said he was clearing Sooh. Sili gave a reason after he posted that Sooh was town - he believes she has difficulty faking tone. Dice's only mentions of Zander came when he voted him.

 

 

@ Sili - If you felt people were clearing Zander too early - who are they besides Dice? You posted this before Dice had even posted his first post:

 

Uh. Ppl clearing zander too fast.

 

Sooh town.

Why aren't you pushing those people over Dice then?

 

But what I find interesting is that we have two quick unexplained votes on Sili - and two people sitting on the fence about it. I like AJ's vote less than Zander's - Zander at least attempted to justify his, even though I don't agree with the justification. Disagreeing with Dice's assessment of the situation doesn't warrant a vote by itself, IMO. I don't like the wait and see attitude that Sooh and Thane are taking either.

 

[v]AJ[/v]

 

I find the wording of this odd. Do you think they're both doing it intentionally?

 

Shad

 

 

 

Shad_, on 13 Sept 2015 - 08:22 AM, said:

Razen, on 13 Sept 2015 - 07:41 AM, said:

 

 

Sili and Dice are both trying to misrep each other. I don't see where Dice said he was clearing Zander - and I don't see where Sili said he was clearing Sooh. Sili gave a reason after he posted that Sooh was town - he believes she has difficulty faking tone. Dice's only mentions of Zander came when he voted him.

 

 

@ Sili - If you felt people were clearing Zander too early - who are they besides Dice? You posted this before Dice had even posted his first post:

Sili Quirrels, on 12 Sept 2015 - 12:33 PM, said:

 

Uh. Ppl clearing zander too fast.

 

Sooh town.

Why aren't you pushing those people over Dice then?

 

But what I find interesting is that we have two quick unexplained votes on Sili - and two people sitting on the fence about it. I like AJ's vote less than Zander's - Zander at least attempted to justify his, even though I don't agree with the justification. Disagreeing with Dice's assessment of the situation doesn't warrant a vote by itself, IMO. I don't like the wait and see attitude that Sooh and Thane are taking either.

 

[v]AJ[/v]

 

I find the wording of this odd. Do you think they're both doing it intentionally?

 

Yes. Sili did initially twist Dice's words to reach an untrue conclusion. But it worked. And from that point - it's not a misrep. When I reread it closely - Dice never said anything about clearing Zander until pressed by Sili - he even voted him as a joke. That's not clearing behavior, if you ask me. So why pick Dice to hop on out of all people regarding the clearing of Zander initially? He is the first one to bring the post up. And Sili hops all over him for that. Initially - it's wrong. He makes the assumption that Dice has cleared Zander based on tone when he hadn't actually done that at that point in the game. Because as Dice pointed out - he hadn't mentioned Zander being town or anything when he had initially posted. That doesn't happen until later.

 

Sili Quirrels, on 12 Sept 2015 - 9:20 PM, said:

 

dicetosser1, on 12 Sept 2015 - 9:09 PM, said:

 

who said my conclusion is wrong? you come in saying Zanders getting cleared too quick   he basically got cleared for exactly the same reason you cleared sooh in the next sentence.

 

you say its bad one sentence and then do it yourself. Thats definitely talking out both sides of your mouth imo and I dont really see that as a good thing.

 

Even if i do agree that sooh is town based on the same thing you explain later. her tone.

 

But you didnt say that here you just threw out a double standard.

So let's be clear here. If you don't have a double standard, you are clearing Zander for faking tone when he spent the last mafia game showcasing how well he could fake tone?

 

And I am not 'clearing' Sooh so don't even.

 

But in the purple - Dice caves. He admits he's clearing Zander. Where Dice says "he basically got cleared for exactly the same reason you cleared sooh.."

 

The red is the point of Sili's push on Dice - which given the purple, is now a valid point to make. It's the part where Sili says "you are clearing Zander for faking tone..."

 

And yet Dice takes care to go back and say "I didn't clear Zander anywhere - you're misrepping me Sili."

 

I quoted the massive post where he does that below. In spoiler, so it doesn't kill people's eyes.

 

It's not a misrep at all from Sili after the purple point - it reads to me like Dice is going back to try and cover for his inadvertent admission regarding Zander. And call Sili out for making a bogus point when it really isn't.

 

 

 

 

Uh. Ppl clearing zander too fast.

 

Sooh town.

Right here you declare sooh town. 2 words Sooh Town. That sounds like clearing to me

 

 

Also you wanna tell me where I said Zander is Town? here are ALL my posts this game to make it easy for you

 

 

 

 

Sweet Randed Town again!!!!

 

 

HardClaim: Darth Vader

Vote Princessfor not singing as told too

 

 

 

 

 

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

I thought you were done doing that.

 

I just did.

 

If I could give points, I would for this post

 

Pretty sure Hearts a wolf

 

[v] Heart [/v]

 

10 points from Gryffendor!

 

Vader prolly Slytherin imo

 

Vader was a Hufflepuff who was loyal to the wrong person.

 

 

Haha we've started the quote pyramids already--should probably stop to save those who are playing via mobile XD

 

 

 

Darth says.....YOLO imo

 

 + a million for Vader in Hawaii

 

Uh. Ppl clearing zander too fast.

 

Sooh town.

Ok so game post here not a fan of this post even tho i agree regarding sooh. He immediately talks outside both sides of his mouth  but he does give a reason later

Basically what's going on in this thread right now...

 

Heart = Greatest mod EVA!!!!!

 

who said my conclusion is wrong? you come in saying Zanders getting cleared too quick  he basically got cleared for exactly the same reason you cleared sooh in the next sentence.

 

you say its bad one sentence and then do it yourself. Thats definitely talking out both sides of your mouth imo and I dont really see that as a good thing.

 

Even if i do agree that sooh is town based on the same thing you explain later. her tone.

 

But you didnt say that here you just threw out a double standard.

Note the bold  thats not me saying Zander is town. Your post that I had issue with? It came before I had even posted in the gameand you complained that "people are clearing zander too quick" My response there in blue is that he was getting cleared bythose people you complained about for the same reason you declared sooh town.

 

Ididnt declare him town &nbsp;i only voted Princess and +1d a gif

 

 

So sili wanna declare who the rest of your team is now? Cause i think i just screwed you out of your easy push.

 

 

vote sili

 

 

 

I can understand if Dice didn't realize that he actually made that statement regarding clearing Zander because of tone. But he made it - and that's what drew my attention. And what's very interesting is that AJ basically saw fit to hop along with that bogus reasoning that Dice put out there. Zander uses Sili's refusal to address the point anymore as the basis for his vote - which looks better from Zander, but again - it's based on the assumption that Dice didn't actually say what he did. Dice's vote is pure OMGUS - the others, not so much. And those are the ones I'm concerned with.

 

Again making points against/ about Dice/Sili....but voting AJ for prolly seeing the same thing???

 

BAD.

 

 

 

 

Interestingly, maybe, the post I quoted above where he's talking to Thane about Razen came after the AJ vote that he is sussing in the spoiler.  Zander wasn't pinged by Razen the first time he read him.  He went back and called it scummy on his catch-up.  I don't like it but he did do something like this to me in Age of Legends.

 

Verdict: Kaylee and AJ come out looking solid town, Zander comes out looking townish but he's clearly assessing Razen based on points others have raised, not his own initial observations.

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(I was supposed to just be ISOing Kaylee.  Oh well.  <_<)

 

I'll look at the build up to Salami and Hallia's lynches after I get some more work done.