Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Taborline]

I am really ready to vote for JS, but Tina's turnaround from BFG to voting for JS too now has me worried.

 

Lenlo, what is it about JS that makes you think he's town? I skimmed around in your ISO but didn't see anything directly addressing it, though I surely could have missed it.

[Lenlo]

I haven't been able to completely follow this whole talk about results and mod killing and all that, but his performance over the course of the entire game is town to me. One small thing, that I still don't entirely understand, isn't enough to overturn a 170 pages of town play.

[Taborline]

That makes sense.

[michellem]

Mafia, if you'd be so kind to kill me next night, that would be awesome.

 

 

Trying to read through ISO's of Snow, Tina and Leelou and my eyes just keep glazing over and I'm not taking in a single word. I have troubles thinking. This is beginning to become extremely annoying.

[Niniel]

I´m not hiding, just spending the day with my daughter. It took some time for her to fall asleep so I will just comment on some posts that has to do with me. 

 

Tina end Day 1 she was avoiding voting Pral because Ocicat was, yet at this stage I don't remember her stating a read on Pral, so why was it more important to be voting elsewhere than Ocicat compared to voting someone she thought was scummy over someone she didn't? She's pretty early about not liking Leelou although doesn't explain why at this point. Not sure how much value to put it, but Verb isn't on her read lists although he was someone she spoke about regarding the Cory/Talya/Leelou/Verb thing. Her vote sticks on Ocicat for most of Day 1, but she does go back to new stuff he posts. After Pral flip wants to look at wishleste, will need to look at how this is followed through. The main argument against her is that her reads list are static and safe, yet during Day 1 her reads seem to build naturally. There's now a lot of wifom with Verb hard defending her, but I'm going to try to ignore that. 'safe reads' yet she was early on Ocicat, Leelou isn't ever really going to be 'safe' and wishleste were mafia. The big thing is that Day 1 vote. At one stage she said she'd go Verb over Pral, then said she didn't want to vote Pral because Ocicat was voting him, and left her vote on Ocicat.

 

 

Cory asked people if they wanted to vote Pral or Verb. I answered that if I had to choose between them I would rather vote Verb. Oci was still my main suspect though, and that is why I left my vote there. 

I'm on my phone at work, but I have said a couple of times. You may have to ISO me sorry.

I'm also a little unsure why she said she can't do what JS asked if she does it in a way so is not obvious. I wonder if she got a result on a team mate lol

 

If he had let me just do a new list or at least wait a bit and posted some reads, maybe quoted some people, then it had been fine. But now he asked me directly who was my biggest town/mafia reads. Answering that would have gotten me mod killed. Why is that so hard to understand? Snow should have known that (if he have gotten the same pm at all) or he was trying to get me modkilled on purpose. 

 

Exactly...there are ways and means to things. She seemed to flat out refuse anything.

 

No, no, no. I answered BFG (I think) and said that I got a result on the one I targeted. After that I had to stop and think to see that I didn´t say the wrong things and that it would actually be beneficial for town to reveal more. I still don´t know which is the best way to go. I can tell you who I targeted N1 and N2 but not N3. Not sure if it helps or not, since I didn´t get any results on those nights. 

 

I would think knowing a cop result you cannot but help that it will effect your reads. You just have to be able to show some other thought process.

 

See above. 

 

I am really ready to vote for JS, but Tina's turnaround from BFG to voting for JS too now has me worried.

 

Lenlo, what is it about JS that makes you think he's town? I skimmed around in your ISO but didn't see anything directly addressing it, though I surely could have missed it.

 

Turnaround? It was his actions/preassure of me that made me vote him. (Also because I ISO´d him and remebered the hammer of WishCeleste.) I could still vote BFG though. Snow is my first choice and BFG is my second. 

[John Snow]

 

I'm on my phone at work, but I have said a couple of times. You may have to ISO me sorry.

 

I'm also a little unsure why she said she can't do what JS asked if she does it in a way so is not obvious. I wonder if she got a result on a team mate lol

 

I get why she has an issue with that.

 

We aren't allowed to discuss the names of our NA results, only what kind of result it is. We can't even hint. This makes cop views all but useless until Loki is gone.

 

The questions JS was asking her would have MK'd her if answered. There's no way to answer them without giving away the results of the view.

 

 

You mean the questions I told Tina to ask Kiv? Asking Kiv questions doesn't get her modkilled. Tress also gave me the impression that she was allowed to answer the question I posed Tina, especially with how she answered it. Seems like intentional misdirection on her part. 

 

 

Anyone planning on actually casing me? I'm not sure if half of these votes are because I'm mafia or Loki. 

 

Also, Eldrick is the way to go today. He's Loki. C'mon people. Backup is Taborline since he's mafia, but Eldrick is the far superior choice. 

[Leelou]

Got stuck in Portland. Be on tomorrow.

[John Snow]

Got stuck in Portland. Be on tomorrow.

 

Before deadline or are you going to be useless again?

[Niniel]

That is not fair. She told us she was going away days ahead. 

[John Snow]

That is not fair. She told us she was going away days ahead. 

 

I know, but that lack of content today and the DL being less than 24hrs away is frustrating. 

[Niniel]

I´ll have to sleep now but I will here before dl. 

[Leelou]

 

 

Got stuck in Portland. Be on tomorrow.

Before deadline or are you going to be useless again?

Last I checked, I was voting for who I found to be scummy. So drop the attitude.

[Lenlo]

Tina gets some more cotes and shows up. Noted.

[Talya]

Where does it say a deadline. I know Kiv said he was away and wouldn't be back, but I can't remember a deadline?

[John Snow]

 

Hogun (Andrej), Vanilla Town, has been Killed  With 10 players alive, 6 to lynch.

 

DEADLINE WILL BE WEDNESDAY AT NOON EASTERN

[Talya]

Ahhh, thank you, I missed that

[BFG]

Good evening :)

 

Thanks John, missed that to :(

[BFG]

 

Ok, a quick look at the voting from End Day 1; given that we now have flips of all 3 major wagons this needs more attention, but for now this is the obvious.

 

 

 

 

I will put mine Vote: Verbal for right now, but I need to read up since last night. I don't like voting Pral when I have no idea at all. Verbal at least had me suspicious, though even then I'm not sure.

 

I hadn't realised that the votes got this close. There's a fair bit of discussion about Pral/Verb, so the lynch was by no means certain. With 2 counter wagons that are both town would mafia bus here? Not knowing what role Verb has? Ocicat is also in her orange reads, so she could have voted there instead.

 

 

 

 

I actually hate that Pral isn't voting.

I don't see a point. My main vote would be Sooh or Talya. But, that is going to go nowhere.

 

I am not sure of Verbal. I don't think he is scum. If it comes to that, I will consolidate either on myself or verbal.

 

I will be on during the deadline.

 

This is just frustrating reading back :(

 

 

 

 

 

 

I actually hate that Pral isn't voting.

I don't see a point. My main vote would be Sooh or Talya. But, that is going to go nowhere.

 

I am not sure of Verbal. I don't think he is scum. If it comes to that, I will consolidate either on myself or verbal.

 

I will be on during the deadline.

 

Wait, what?

 

If it comes to it, you'll vote yourself over no lynch?

 

I just lost faith in you. And Ocicat clearly isn't happening.

 

[unvote]

[v]Pral [/v]

 

And this pushes Pral 2 ahead again, as a momentum vote it's important.

 

Mish also votes Pral after this, before Talya hammers, but I'm pretty comfortable with them both as town right now. Tabor's looking pretty good for the vote and Eldrick less good

 

I'm trying and failing to see how this makes me look bad. I wasn't voting Pral for his inactivity, and didn't have a clear read on him yet. He proposed the idea of voting himself or Verb. The fact that he was willing to vote himself didn't sit right with me. It had nothing to do with the current vote count, and wasn't intended to be a "momentum vote". The fact that it ended up being one is regretful, but it was a bad play on his part IMO.

 

I didn't say that you voted Pral for inactivity so why bring it up?

 

It looks bad because of the timing of it. It swung attention and the lynch back to Pral when it could have swung to Verb.

[BFG]

Thank you for your read on Tina. I'm trying to figure her out, and why so many people have her low on their list. I asked about it before, but the only response I got so far was someone correcting one of the reasons I has listed remembering.

 

The reason about Leelou and Tina's bottom lists matching was trying to figure Leelou out, not Tina. That's what was corrected.

 

The only other thing I had was that her reads hadn't changed much, and I didn't see how that put her so low, except if simply by PoE with everyone else being stronger town reads. I don't think that's the case.

 

Also, I'm glad you're finally contributing, so I can figure you out. Your play so far was reminding me of Verb's, and I was gonna push for your lynch if you continued.

You've done this a few times over the game that I noticed.

 

You say that I'm not contributing but (in this case) you've assigned my posts to some 'them', asking Leelou about her list being similar to Tina's was one of my posts, as was correcting you about it. So you're noting my posts but not bothering(?) to assign them to me.

[BFG]

I'm not budging from JS. What he said would have been modkillable if it was a tracker result. The fact that he lives means he's lying.

I don't understand this. You claimed a tracker result Night 1, what do you think happened to it Night 2?

[Songstress]

 

 

I'm on my phone at work, but I have said a couple of times. You may have to ISO me sorry.

 

I'm also a little unsure why she said she can't do what JS asked if she does it in a way so is not obvious. I wonder if she got a result on a team mate lol

 

I get why she has an issue with that.

 

We aren't allowed to discuss the names of our NA results, only what kind of result it is. We can't even hint. This makes cop views all but useless until Loki is gone.

 

The questions JS was asking her would have MK'd her if answered. There's no way to answer them without giving away the results of the view.

 

 

You mean the questions I told Tina to ask Kiv? Asking Kiv questions doesn't get her modkilled. Tress also gave me the impression that she was allowed to answer the question I posed Tina, especially with how she answered it. Seems like intentional misdirection on her part. 

 

 

Anyone planning on actually casing me? I'm not sure if half of these votes are because I'm mafia or Loki. 

 

Also, Eldrick is the way to go today. He's Loki. C'mon people. Backup is Taborline since he's mafia, but Eldrick is the far superior choice. 

 

 

There you go with the intentional misdirection thing again.  Unless you're planning to suggest this means I'm not town, you should probably leave that argument alone.

 

I strongly recommend you take a look back at all of my posts regarding the subject since I verified that I received a cop result.  Think about explanations why I might have said the things I did, aside from intentionally trying to mislead, which I was not.  I've said all I can safely say.

I will own the fact that I should have worded my post slightly differently as far as the strength of my read on Mish - because Kivam said we weren't allowed to say we were 100% sure, my saying 99% did give the wrong impression.  At the time, I had forgotten the "you can't say 100% sure" restriction, however, and I would have said 99% on Mish regardless.

[John Snow]

I took you saying "99%" combined with the "I know what you're asking" to be you getting around the restrictions Kiv gave you. Seems like that was what you wanted me to believe too. *shrug* It's just how I read it. 

[Songstress]

I took you saying "99%" combined with the "I know what you're asking" to be you getting around the restrictions Kiv gave you. Seems like that was what you wanted me to believe too. *shrug* It's just how I read it. 

 

I knew what you were asking, yes.

 

There was no way to tell you anything different.  My saying 99% instead of 100% was my stupid way of trying to let you know that it wasn't actually influenced by the cop view, since the godfather was dead and there was no reason not to be 100% sure.

 

However, I'd completely let the "you can't say 100% sure" restriction slip my mind, because well... it didn't apply.

[John Snow]

Okay, that makes much more sense. Thanks. 

 

Still, assuming I'm asking Kiv my hypothetical question the right way, there's still a loophole. 

[michellem]

WTL Snow, Tina. Going to bed, will be back way before deadline.

 

I suck.