Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[John Snow]

JS - you say Verb and Tab 70% wolf? What made you come to that conclusion?

 

I've liked Tab less and less each day. His vote yesterday was particularly disgusting. 

My gut doesn't like Verb either. Add that to cory and Sili fingering them (and I trust their ability to accurately finger scum), puts him at high odds. 

[John Snow]

Should read:

Add that to cory and Sili fingering him

[Talya]

 

 

 

Verbal is breaking my heart.

 

Sorry, just haven't had time at work like I thought.

Talk to me about Tina.

 

The thing that stands out the most is she has pressured you more than she has me, which is usually opposite from normal-Tina.  Usually one of her scumtells is to ignore me or have me as null.  She isn't doing that here (she's kinda ignoring me, but has me as a scum read), so maybe she's trying to remove a scumtell or is actually town.

 

Given the unknown involved with our night actions/roles, I'd probably lean more town than scum on her.  She knows her tendencies re: me as well as we do, so I'm putting more weight to the fact that she's reading me as scum and not town or null.

She had as a scum read, but never really said anything about you

 

Who is in your WTL, and who do you have as your top town.

[Kivam]

Vote Count

Talya (1) - Taborline
Tina (2) - Talya, Andrej
AJ (1) - Tina
John Snow (1) - Eldrick

Tress (1) - John Snow

 

[Taborline]

 

JS - you say Verb and Tab 70% wolf? What made you come to that conclusion?

 

I've liked Tab less and less each day. His vote yesterday was particularly disgusting. 

My gut doesn't like Verb either. Add that to cory and Sili fingering them (and I trust their ability to accurately finger scum), puts him at high odds. 

 

 

What was it that was disgusting about my vote yesterday? 

[Taborline]

Oh, also, I'm a woman.

[John Snow]

Oh, my bad. 

[Songstress]

Note: Read scum as anti-town. IE. Loki or mafia for the purposes of this post.

 

One of Tayla/Tress is 90% scum. ATM I'm prepared to believe Tayla is the townie of the group, but I can guarantee we've got scum there.

70% certain Verbal and Tabor are scum.

50% chance AJ/BFG/Tina make up the remaining scum. I'm inclined to say it's not Tina.

20% Leelou is scum.

 

 

Reasoning on Tayla/Tress. Both claim to have results from last night. I also had results. However, D1 only gave 2 results (Eld/Mish). There's about a 8% chance that Sili got the result and died with it.

IMO scum's not going to get the townie results, because balance reasons. IMO scum's not going to have info-returning roles either (doesn't make sense to me).

 

Conclusion: Tayla/Tress/me is lying ~92% of the time. I know I'm town and not lying. Therefore Tayla/Tress is scum.

 

I have reason to believe Tayla is Vanilla. I don't think mafia would holster an action N1, as Tayla claimed to. I don't think mafia would lie about using actions with the high percentage of at least one watcher/tracker (heimdall).

 

Happy to be on Verbal/Tabor as well.

 

[uvnote] [v]Tress[/v]

I am not lying, Mr. Snow. I can't explain the result I got last night, it's extremely weird.

 

However, just because only two people admitted to receiving results on thread, that doesn't mean nobody else received any.

 

Scum not having info returning roles is not a given. At least 2/3 of the time there's a watcher in the game, I find they are mafia as opposed to town. There's also a high likelihood of a role cop or something similar on mafia side.

[Kivam]

Oh, also, I'm a woman.

[John Snow]

For right now, I am going to vote: Wishleste. My instincts haven't really changed on them; the avoiding explanations, not answering questions, lots of comments that don't really say anything. I would be pretty surprised if they turned out not to be scum.

 

This vote screams bus. 

[Lenlo]

 

 

Wait, what? How does "One of Tayla/Tress is 90% scum." fit with this:

 

Dear whomever targeted Tayla last night:

I have reason to believe she is VT. 

Good luck and happy hunting. 

 

If this message is directed to you, do yourself and town a favor and don't tell everyone who you are. 

 

 

If you read my whole post, and put together a couple of intuitive leaps, you might figure it out. 

 

No, how about you spell that out for me. Id prefer this straight from your mouth rather than you telling us to put it together for you.

[John Snow]

 

 

 

Wait, what? How does "One of Tayla/Tress is 90% scum." fit with this:

 

Dear whomever targeted Tayla last night:

I have reason to believe she is VT. 

Good luck and happy hunting. 

 

If this message is directed to you, do yourself and town a favor and don't tell everyone who you are. 

 

 

If you read my whole post, and put together a couple of intuitive leaps, you might figure it out. 

 

No, how about you spell that out for me. Id prefer this straight from your mouth rather than you telling us to put it together for you.

 

 

I'm not saying anything that's getting me modkilled. 

[Talya]

Actually thinking about it, I think if it is Loki,mixing up the night action results then it might include Mafia, he is not with them so why would it exclude them. Wolves can still have tracker roles which yield results.

 

I'm also trying to work out if the people we visit gets mixed up as well, but I think it is unlikely, so I believe someone could be lying about who they visited. Because I don't know the mechanics of the game, they might not have lied.

 

We need to kill Loki :(

 

If I had to go with anyone it would Verb/Lenlo...but that would be a guess. No proper reason behind it.

 

We have a day to consolidate the lynch.

 

Who is in everyone's 3 WTL today ...?

[John Snow]

Tress, Verbal, Tabor

[Talya]

I think it was AJ (or could be Verb - no sure it's AJ) that said, because there wasn't another train that Mafia didn't bus. I think they did. Looking back Wisheleste was creeping to the bottom of people's list. I think there would have been wolves on there, to make them look towny. I don't think all would have been, but at least one maybe even two.

[BFG]

Note: Read scum as anti-town. IE. Loki or mafia for the purposes of this post. 

 

One of Tayla/Tress is 90% scum. ATM I'm prepared to believe Tayla is the townie of the group, but I can guarantee we've got scum there. 

70% certain Verbal and Tabor are scum. 

50% chance AJ/BFG/Tina make up the remaining scum. I'm inclined to say it's not Tina. 

20% Leelou is scum.

 

 

Reasoning on Tayla/Tress. Both claim to have results from last night. I also had results. However, D1 only gave 2 results (Eld/Mish). There's about a 8% chance that Sili got the result and died with it. 

IMO scum's not going to get the townie results, because balance reasons. IMO scum's not going to have info-returning roles either (doesn't make sense to me). 

 

Conclusion: Tayla/Tress/me is lying ~92% of the time. I know I'm town and not lying. Therefore Tayla/Tress is scum. 

 

I have reason to believe Tayla is Vanilla. I don't think mafia would holster an action N1, as Tayla claimed to. I don't think mafia would lie about using actions with the high percentage of at least one watcher/tracker (heimdall). 

 

Happy to be on Verbal/Tabor as well.

 

[uvnote] [v]Tress[/v]

I received a cop result Night 1 (yes I know Pral was already dead). I had several theories ranging from grave robber type role, to backup cop, to dead players roles still being in the game (with a question as to whether results could be sent to dead players...) but the simplest possibility is for a backup cop to exist.

 

 

 

 

I actually have a theory on this that may let us POE Loki (does nothing for mafia, have to do that the old fashioned way), I needed to wait for Kivam to check it because I didn't want to risk MK, it builds on your mirror theory (sort of)

[John Snow]

 

I am not lying, Mr. Snow. I can't explain the result I got last night, it's extremely weird.

 

 

Wait, are you saying what I think you are?

 

[unvote]

[John Snow]

 

Note: Read scum as anti-town. IE. Loki or mafia for the purposes of this post. 

 

One of Tayla/Tress is 90% scum. ATM I'm prepared to believe Tayla is the townie of the group, but I can guarantee we've got scum there. 

70% certain Verbal and Tabor are scum. 

50% chance AJ/BFG/Tina make up the remaining scum. I'm inclined to say it's not Tina. 

20% Leelou is scum.

 

 

Reasoning on Tayla/Tress. Both claim to have results from last night. I also had results. However, D1 only gave 2 results (Eld/Mish). There's about a 8% chance that Sili got the result and died with it. 

IMO scum's not going to get the townie results, because balance reasons. IMO scum's not going to have info-returning roles either (doesn't make sense to me). 

 

Conclusion: Tayla/Tress/me is lying ~92% of the time. I know I'm town and not lying. Therefore Tayla/Tress is scum. 

 

I have reason to believe Tayla is Vanilla. I don't think mafia would holster an action N1, as Tayla claimed to. I don't think mafia would lie about using actions with the high percentage of at least one watcher/tracker (heimdall). 

 

Happy to be on Verbal/Tabor as well.

 

[uvnote] [v]Tress[/v]

I received a cop result Night 1 (yes I know Pral was already dead). I had several theories ranging from grave robber type role, to backup cop, to dead players roles still being in the game (with a question as to whether results could be sent to dead players...) but the simplest possibility is for a backup cop to exist.

 

 

 

 

I actually have a theory on this that may let us POE Loki (does nothing for mafia, have to do that the old fashioned way), I needed to wait for Kivam to check it because I didn't want to risk MK, it builds on your mirror theory (sort of)

 

 

That 

[Talya]

 

I am not lying, Mr. Snow. I can't explain the result I got last night, it's extremely weird.

 

 

Wait, are you saying what I think you are?

 

[unvote]

What?!

[Lenlo]

Im rather confused at this moment

[Taborline]

 

For right now, I am going to vote: Wishleste. My instincts haven't really changed on them; the avoiding explanations, not answering questions, lots of comments that don't really say anything. I would be pretty surprised if they turned out not to be scum.

 

This vote screams bus. 

 

 

But if all three of us were scum, why would I vote Verb on D1, list him as suspicious from the beginning, and also go after Wish? I could have just kept my vote on Verb on D2, but instead I went with what I had seen from my investigations of Wish.

[michellem]

Add me to the confused pile.

[Talya]

Just checked what I can say:

 

I got a result of a watcher, ie I got that certain people visited another person that I did not asked to submit. Other than that I can't give anymore info out. I think it will also mean that those visiting that person all have roles. Other than that, for some reason Kiv wouldn't tell me if that was the person they visited, lol...I tried

[Andrej]

@Talya - I said the opposite regarding Celeste's wagon. The only other vote on the board was them voting Verb, so yes, I would expect at least one partner voted them.

[BFG]

Im rather confused at this moment

Snow noticed that Night 1 we had 2 results claimed, Night 2 we had 3 results claimed and concluded that one of the other 2 claimants must be mafia (and lying about their night results).

 

There were actually (at least) 3 investigative results Night 1, but for fairly obvious reasons I didn't want to claim with the Doc dead and this was before the mechanics became 'clearer'

 

I don't know if Tress will confirm that the third action is a cop type