[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[Clovdyx]

Yates, this is a serious question.  What do you do with a player who dies and flips mafia?

[michellem]

Imust've missed that part. It makes me feel better about her, I understand better where she's coming from. Back to a solid null on her too then.

 

Edit.

[Yates]

I explained why it could be useful later.

Please see post 1296.

 

Like - am I being dense here?

[Zander?]

 

its like in SW when I had went after Yates,  I couldnt explain myself in a way that others could/would follow and it wasnt till seph built the case that it got done.

Man. You guys were dumb. If we somehow got out of that? I would have rubbed it in your face FOREVER!!

 

 

But you didnt.....

[Yates]

Yates, this is a serious question.  What do you do with a player who dies and flips mafia?

You look at all their interactions [or lack thereof] and see which ones look real and which ones look fake and what doesn't look natural. You also look at some wagon analysis and which pushes seemed legit and which seemed fake.

[michellem]

I need a vote count, I'm not even sure where our vote's at at the moent.

[Clovdyx]

 

Yates, this is a serious question.  What do you do with a player who dies and flips mafia?

You look at all their interactions [or lack thereof] and see which ones look real and which ones look fake and what doesn't look natural. You also look at some wagon analysis and which pushes seemed legit and which seemed fake.

 

 

Right.  So when you have a dead scum that you KNOW has a very consistent habit of bussing teammates early on, and he randomly votes somebody out of the blue for no apparent reason - is that something that would give you a greater concern about that player or not?

[michellem]

Town:

CorKey - Cory is being Cory and Cory is good. Key's posts have been good, she's willing to consider her reads and they feel natural.

Razen - has had some solid posts and nothing in them have given me the slightest bad feeling.

Pral - I liked his catchuppost.

ClovFG - I recently caught Clov as mafia in another game, and that was mostly because I didn't feel he got himself involved, he was only posting exactly what he needed to look good and nothing more. I do not get that feeling here at all; he feels involved and interested and like he wants to #solve. What little I've seen from BFG has been good too.

Hallia - she's combatative and firm on her stance

 

Good gut feels:

Wombat

Yates

Nyce

 

Slightly troublesome:

Wish, as mentioned in my last post

AJ, I did not like him giving Shad answers

 

Mafia potentials:

Shad - I don't like how he made it look like Seph completly misrepresnted him and then voted me for noticing Seph's post. Also for not having a problem with Kiv but voting me over that one thing.

Sili - He has a fair amount of posts, but I remember very little of actual content, and those votes I quoted above stinks to me.

Talya - For not taking a stance on the two biggest wagons at the time of her catchup (and being more busy asking others questions, feel like trying to look involved without actually being it)

Zander - For jumping on our wagon with a thin (=bogus) reason. Def not partnered with Shad though.

 

 

The rest is null for now.

 

 

 

EBWOP. I stared at the list so many times and felt like I missed someone. D'OH. Added in Zander now... 

 

I need more caffeine, seriously.

 

Also I'm gonna

[unvote]

for now, as I want to see reactions from my bottom list and talk to Kiv.

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Seph/Zander (4): ClovFG, John Snow, Wombicat, Lenlo
Nolderf (1): Laine
Kivish (5): Hallia, Nyce, Zander/Seph, Shad, Sili
Lenlo (2): CorKey, Razen
Wombicat (1): AJ
John Snow (1): Yates
Csarmi (1): Nolderf


Not Voting (5): Pral, Csarmi, Talya, Wish/Celeste, Kivish

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday Aug 17th @ 9am MST/Noon EST

[Clovdyx]

 

Slow your role there, Swag.  You POE'd me in a game where I had put in more work than any living player not named Laine, and got my entire strategy wiped out by a sub that I don't believe should have ever happened. 

I'm actually not sure what you mean here. I've never fully understood the term POE, it's not my fault I ended up subbing in, and I thought it was a good thing that I recognized that your play here is different?

 

A few questions on your reads list.

 

-Do you have anything to back up Wombat besides being gut?

No, if I had I would've said so.

 

-I had the same observation about Wish, but in addition to being new to the site, I'm pretty sure she's very new to the game in general. Does that affect your opinion of her questioning?

 

Imust've missed that part. It makes me feel better about her, I understand better where's coming from. Back to a solid null on her too then.

 

-After your comment to him about Shad, I'm surprised that AJ isn't further down. I would have expected him there over Sili based on the reasoning, and maybe Talya.

 

It's a gut thing. I don't like those comments AJ gave, but it doesn't feel as bad. My gut says it's AJ reading Shad as town, my head says "scummy". Since I tend to trust my gut more on D1, he's in the slightly scummy pile.

 

 

 

 

The top part really didn't matter, just being a sore loser FWIW POE means process of elimination - find everybody that can't be mafia, lynch the remaining players. 

 

IRT the Wombat read - that's fair enough, but you called out AJ for having weak reasoning on Wombat being mafia - it was his gut.  If you're gut reading him town, I'm not sure why somebody can't read him another way?

 

In terms of Shad...I think your opinion on his read of Shad is correct, but you made a statement about them being teammates.  Was that in jest?  Or do you have something that keeps from being at the bottom of your list?

[Nolder]

Awake for a few mins. What's the current drama?

[Yates]

Right.  So when you have a dead scum that you KNOW has a very consistent habit of bussing teammates early on, and he randomly votes somebody out of the blue for no apparent reason - is that something that would give you a greater concern about that player or not?

If he was consistent about it? I guess. But that's not what you finished with. You said, "he could be teammates with whoever the other inactives were and picked the one he's NOT aligned with..." So my understanding is you are saying it is also likely/possible that he could be scum picking on Town Pral and that one of the other inactives could be his teammate. Am I wrong?

[Clovdyx]

 

Right.  So when you have a dead scum that you KNOW has a very consistent habit of bussing teammates early on, and he randomly votes somebody out of the blue for no apparent reason - is that something that would give you a greater concern about that player or not?

If he was consistent about it? I guess. But that's not what you finished with. You said, "he could be teammates with whoever the other inactives were and picked the one he's NOT aligned with..." So my understanding is you are saying it is also likely/possible that he could be scum picking on Town Pral and that one of the other inactives could be his teammate. Am I wrong?

 

 

Yes.  When I'm saying "he could be..." there, I'm talking about the literal possibility of it.  Maybe his teammate is Pral...maybe it's whoever the other inactive was (John?)...maybe it's none. 

 

But based on the meta I have for him and his vote, I'm going to start by looking at Pral.

[Zander?]

Awake for a few mins. What's the current drama?

 

 

Nolder:  You or Darthe have any reads or general thoughts atp?

[Nolder]

I see Csarmi has 19 posts so I'm going to assume he checked in and saw my vote.

Would have liked to see his reaction but I'm in no mood to dig for it right now. Too tired lol.

 

[unvote]

[Nolder]

 

Awake for a few mins. What's the current drama?

 

 

Nolder:  You or Darthe have any reads or general thoughts atp?

 

Don't know what atp is and I can't speak for Darthe really, we aren't communicating much since he's busy I think and I'm putting more effort into another game I'm in currently.

 

reads or thoughts though hmmm

Let me look at the roster real quick

[Yates]

But based on the meta I have for him and his vote, I'm going to start by looking at Pral.

Okay. That's not how I read that at all. I read that as "either option is likely" so I didn't understand why it could be useful for you. Carry on.

[Zander?]

atp= At This Point

[Zander?]

@ Yates who is on your POE?

[Clovdyx]

 

 

Right.  So when you have a dead scum that you KNOW has a very consistent habit of bussing teammates early on, and he randomly votes somebody out of the blue for no apparent reason - is that something that would give you a greater concern about that player or not?

If he was consistent about it? I guess. But that's not what you finished with. You said, "he could be teammates with whoever the other inactives were and picked the one he's NOT aligned with..." So my understanding is you are saying it is also likely/possible that he could be scum picking on Town Pral and that one of the other inactives could be his teammate. Am I wrong?

 

 

Yes.  When I'm saying "he could be..." there, I'm talking about the literal possibility of it.  Maybe his teammate is Pral...maybe it's whoever the other inactive was (John?)...maybe it's none. 

 

But based on the meta I have for him and his vote, I'm going to start by looking at Pral.

 

 

And based just off his own game play, I would guess that Pral is probably not mafia.  I should feel more confident when I see his reads list, but nothing he's said makes me think he's getting fed info from behind the scenes. 

[WWWwombat]

Wombat, what about Nolder's wall looked good to you?

 

It looked like relaxed/goofy/town Nolder.  Not a whole lot of content in it, so it's not a big deal, but enough for the smallest of town leans.

[Nolder]

1. Razen - seen a couple posts by him looks good so far.
2. Wombicat (Wombat/Ocicat) - wombat is talkative but haven't seen him do any real scumhunting, I'm guilty of this myself so w/e. no idea who OC Cat is.
3. Seph/Zander hydra - No opinon.
4. Hallia - Good so far.
5. Sili - Dirty filthy spammer that needs to be eradicated for everyone's sanity.
6. Kivish (Kivam/Mish) - Like Mish's posts and don't dislike Kivs posts. Think there is probably already at least 1 scum on their train hoping it will build.
7. Laine -  no opinion
8. Shad - no opinion
9. Talya - seen a couple posts but didn't read'em. Seems to be keeping up so good chance of being town.
10. Pralaya - no opinion. Has he checked in yet?
11. Lenlo - no opinion
12. Yates - Seems invested in some conversation or another. Yates is a tryhard though so that's pretty null imo.
13. Nyce (Nyn/Dice) - haven't really read their posts but I hope they are town because that's a scary combo
14. John Snow - no opinion
15. ClovFG (Clov/BFG) - BFG is nice. Clov I don't know very well. no real opinion
16. Beck Csarmi - I guess he posted but I didn't see it
17. CorKey (Cory/Keyholder) - Haven't noticed key posting but Cory seems to have good thread presence. don't think he has a problem with that as scum though. I'd guess if he's really keeping notes ask to see some of them eventually and if true he's town. I've never known scum to keep notes myself.
18. wish-tree/Celeste hydra - they seem talkative no real opinion on them though
19. Nolderf (Nolder/Darthe) - please kills us. this is an abomination.
20. AJ - no opinion

[Razen]

 

Caught up. at last.

 

3 of the top 4 posters are in a hydra...thought you couldn't post much, which is why you are in a hydra. H8u all :p

 

Clov - don't like the nitpicking of the Kivam/Pral, don't agree about voting one half of a hydra, takes just one to screw up. Can't pass BFG neither. Could votee here

 

@ Wombat - Why me and Hally along with Zander?

 

Wish - love her questioning, would now like some thoughts on who she thinks maybe wolf

 

@ Sili - the reason of the Meh - at the end of reading yesterday, you had posted a fair bit, but couldn't pick anything major out and no feelings either way. Will need to reread you. Why did you vote Darthe and then unvote and vote Kivam?

 

Cory - don't get the stuff on AJ, need to read on that, believe Clov disagreed with you.

 

Lenlo - Why AJ and Zander?

Reading through both give me gut bad feelings. Add to that the fact that they both interacted with a good amount of people and they make for a good lynch for this early in D1 unless something else happens. I chose Zander over AJ cause he had more posts and interactions. Im gonna try and reread and get some actual examples of why they feel bad to me today/tomorrow.

 

 

I don't see the interactions with a lot of people that you're getting from AJ.  But if you use that criterion, shouldn't Kiv/Mish be a candidate up there too?  Difference being, you said that Kiv/Mish haven't left you with bad feelings the way that Zander/Seph and AJ have.  But you didn't really explain what you gave you the bad feelings from AJ.  And you don't even mention Zander and Seph at all.  It looks to me like you're throwing a vote on for no reason.

Sorry for being gone. I had to move to a new apartment, which was on the top floor with no elevator. Ugh. Then I had to get wifi setup which sucked, but I named it Bill Wi the Science Fi so that amused me. Then I ate a ham sandwich on sourdough and caught up. Prepare to read sandwich thoughts.

 

 

This is sketchy to me. How is this a helpful observation?

 

 

Also something to note is that Pral wasn't the only player that hadn't checked in at the time either.  So it's interesting that Kivam singles him out.

I actually didn't think about that.  I'd have to check to see who else hadn't posted yet, but this could be a very helpful observation for later.

 

 

Add-in: Cory also noticed this and I agree. Please explain how/give an example how this means anything beyond Random.

 

For the sole purpose of aggravating people. People do stupid stuff when annoyed. Also its funny.

 

 

I hate when people do this. Do you share an account with someone else? Is this an anonymous chatroom? Like wtf why sign your post? I can see it comes from you it's right next to your userpic and profile info. WHY!?!?

Im confused. Im gonna crash. Sort this out before I wake up plox.

 

-Len

 

 

Please actually post something and dont just disappear.

A bit late to the party but here nevertheless.

 

Catching up on the game !

 

Sup Salami. Please do.

Wassup. I be back in an hour.

 

 

 

 

Wow, a few new faces and a whole lot of people in this game. Counting the hydras, it is 28 people !! Thankfully, the number of pages this game has been manageable so far

 

Anyway,

 

Well, Sili bringing up the town/scum list in page 5 seems very weird. Looks a bit forced to me.

 

But then, Sili has a way of doing something weird everygame and I usually end up tunneling him. Hope that is not the case here

 

Technically, this logic applies only if you are planning to vote blind the entire game. People make informed choices. Even if it is D1, there are some stuff people base their votes on. So, I don't generally agree with this argument.

 

This whole conversation was out of the place.

 

I guess you did not see anything better, since your vote is still on them. I understand the whole things that happened afterwards, but did not see your reaction in the later parts of the game. Looks somewhat like you have parked your vote on them and happy with where you are.

 

Between the Kiv sass and Mish's defensiveness, that is the way to go for now until I see anything better.

 

 

Vote: Kiv/Mish

Heh, well played Yates. I bet even the Egyptians did not have anything as large as this

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/95247-advanced-the-usual-suspects-mafia-day-1/page-10?do=findComment&comment=3527278

 

1. Scum. I like lying, simple as that :)

2. Usually alone. Being not in the majority timezone, gets difficult to be on when most of the people are free

3. Usually a late game player. I hate D1. Am usually better when the number of people playing reduces

4. Couple of years. Started in this iste and have played all games here

5. Town/Scum. In with the crowd !

That was Prals catchup post in the spoils. I liked it. He said he would come back with a post and he came back with a post. A good post imo. Pral is good for now.

 

+1

Just so everyone knows, this is why I hate big games.

I'm constantly in catchup mode and have no idea what's what, who's who, or what is going on.

I hope this game has a lot of guns in it.

 

We make that mistake with you all the time, cut him some slack.

I think you are making the pretty grand mistake of assuming Zander knows the meanings of the words he uses

 

Population me. I quoted this so I could also respond to Razen.

 

I think it's kind of interesting that Wombat pulled up the post count when he was towards the bottom end of that list.  I'm not sure what the point he was trying to make is, but it seems odd that it comes from the same end of the list that people tend to look unfavorably at.

 

But it does bring me to my next observation.  People that I've seen pretty much only fluff from.  Or rather, person.  That's Lenlo.  He did say that he was moving, to be fair, but I would still have hoped to see more when he was here.

The point I was making is that people are posting too much.  Also, welcome to Lenloville.

 

Dude, there wasnt much going on before I had to start packing and getting ready to move. Once I initiated that process I was basically out of commission for 2 days, with some light reading while packing. Im back now though. And Bill the WiFi works.

 

Who is the best lynch for the day Clov

I know you didnt ask me, but I wanna answer to. ATM I am thinking either Zander/Seph or AJ. Both have interacted with a good number of people so we can get information from all that, and both have also left me with bad feelings. I will try to go back and get specific examples in the future, but im taking a shower after this post so it will have to wait.

 

 

I'm not asking you to force reads

I'm saying you are treating this whole game as a job and you don't seem to want to relax and mess around and have fun. You have seemed so NATURAL as a villager in your past few games, and here it's "well everyone expects me to make a reads posts so I'm going to and then I'm done with my time here"

 

IF YOU DON'T WANT THIS GAME TO BE A JOB FOR PEOPLE THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD POST LESS

 

PREACH IT WOMBY. CHURCH OF THE BAT(man?)

 

 

#INFP gonna #INFP

 

You shouldn't be readings posts that I spoiler for specific people anyway

 

HONOR RULES

I like this approach.  Spoiler for townies only:

 

 

if you read this, quote it and say so in spoiler tags of your own.  Game over, scum!

 

 

 

 

I didnt read it.

 

 

 

 

 

I am okay with Kiv/Mish atm. They dont strike me as all that bad. Both seem confrontational and that seems expected for both of them imo. Not sayin they are LOCK CLEAR FOO, but I am leaning towards not scum.

 

[unvote][v]Zander/Seph[/v]

 

As I said previously, I think they or AJ are good lunchs for the day.

 

 

 

 

Len, can I assume that you quoting posts from today means you're all caught up?

I have caught up yes, though it was largely skimming. I hope to go back at some point to reread when im not tired.

 

 

Cool.  Can you show me where you mentioned AJ before, because I can't seem to find it.  Also would love to hear your take on this.

 

 

 

Reads would depend on what else happened in the game, but I ABSOLUTELY would be looking at Pral more closely to see if he's a viable teammate.  

 

Oh JFC okay I wasn't processing what you said correctly and didn't figure out what you were implying

Okay I understand

 

 

I dont think I did mention AJ before. Did something I said make you think I had?

 

That looks fine to me. Again, I dont think it makes Pral any more or less likely to be scum, but if that makes you want to look at him more closely/with more scrutiny go for it. If you were to try and push a lunch on Pral only because of the Kiv thing, I would have to shoot it down and call it a scummy push. If your just using it to look closer at him though thats fine.

 

But when Clov asked you about why you had AJ on your want to lynch list, you shot him down and denied mentioning him before when you posted twice in your catch-up that you wouldn't mind an AJ lynch.  You're deliberately dodging the question.  Not a good move, imo.  I have the same question, and I want to see it answered.  Because it looks like Lenlo is just name-spewing without anything to actually back himself up.  Making a very easy vote at this point, because lots of other people have voted for Zander/Seph.  Vote: Lenlo.

 

I had more here, but apparently it won't let me post because there's too many quotes.

 

 

So reading this was fun cause the quotes are bonked. Clov only asked me when did I mention AJ before that post, not why I had him on the list.

 

Can you rephrase that entire bolded section though cause it doesnt make much sense to me. Im not dodging any question. At worst I missed a question, but based on those quotes I didnt. In the same line as when he asked where I mentioned AJ before, he asks my opinion on the quote that follows it, because I said I found his point on Kiv/Pral to be questionable. Looks to me like your accusing me of dodging something that was never thrown.

 

As I said in that catch up, at the time I had just finished moving in and fixing a computer so I skimmed to catch up. If you people wouldnt past 25 pages in a day, I wouldnt have to skim. Im going to try and look for actual examples today/tomorrow. As I said if you had read it.

 

Heres my question I would like answered. If you had more, why didnt you post it in a second post? Why just leave it at that? "Oh Razen has more so it must be a good case" except that more was never provided. Plox give more.

 

Ok, you addressed the point I wanted to see on why Zander over AJ, but you haven't really shown why you've reached that conclusion yet.  I do want you to answer that part, but as you said, it's incoming, so I'll be looking forward to that to help me read you better.  I think I combined the question I had for you (why Zander over AJ) with Clov's question of where you had last mentioned AJ thanks to the fun formatting issues, so that is a fair point.  Basically, the bold question I wanted you to answer was your response to Talya.

 

And the second part of the post was not related to you directly, I had gone back and looked at AJ because you'd mentioned that you saw something that you hadn't liked.  I did not want to have to dig back through to pull everything back up since I was short on time and couldn't remember all the page numbers I needed.  I can go back and redo that when I get the chance to, but it basically was just me going through and picking out most of his reads and liking most of them - except the one about Wombat.  I need the quotes to explain myself better, so I'm off to pull them.  Again.

[Nolder]

Keep in mind that even though I did fully reread pgs 1-34...I have no memory of them.

It was mostly spam and I didn't care to file any of it away. After that I've been skimming as time permits.

Figure I'll just wait until someone is dead and work on lynch trains. Easier than getting reads imo although less skillful.

[WWWwombat]

I am proud to say I have been reading from page 30 through 50, and I like Razen and Cory, but Nyn less.

 

HAven't noticed anything significant from clov. Cory feels dejected by AJ, I think. Most of the time I agree with what Cory posts, and Razen too.

 

I think Zander is floating in his normal meta that is easy to fake. tbh I should pay more attention to him.

 

I haven't seen laine around. my vote stays.

 

Last I saw Kivam was in the lead. Nyn might be tunneling mish. While I think mish overreacted, I don't understand the full picture. Nyn said Kivam was covering for Mish' behavior.

 

Salami basically suggested of 8 slots none of them were wolves. -__-

 

Wombat complains a lot about the length of the game and I dislike that. It pings. Wolves complain about the length of a game when they post to lay slank cover. And I don't even care if it is too long, he focuses on it a lot.

 

I don't care what you think.  The game is too long and you are one of the culprits.