[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[Hallia]

 

First - hooray, someone gets it.

 

Second - I'm pretty sure I've said exactly that, repeatedly.

I mean... you have sort of said that but it was never clear.

 

 

I don't see how you can argue I'm "misrepping" anything.

It was the "last night" qualifier that made this confusing. You seemed to be implying that Wombat was fluffing the WHOLE GAME in your post then said that I did the same thing "last night." So you compared Wombat's content over the whole game to my content over a very short period of time and that was/is confusing because it comes across as a contextual misrep. I'm not even sure of the point you were trying to make or why my name was brought up in the first place.

 

Thank you! I will take my time and analyze this carefully. Glad you obliged. <3

Yup. You are entitled to one detailed explanation of Yates-Think [TM] as a first time player with me.

 

Kivam seems to have addressed the question you had for me. And his response is pretty much what I was expecting. Yes there were others [i think two? Maybe?] that hadn't posted but I think Pral was the only one that Kivam had experience with. That's how I do my inactivity prods on the rare occasion I do them as well so this seems reasonable/legit.

 

Side note: did you invade our Skype chat and possibly infiltrate a game of CAH once a couple of months ago? I'm either having a memory or about to have a seizure.

 

I wish I could've been here for it live, but

 

 

 

You are a lot younger than I remember...

My niece!

[Nynaeve]

it wasn't you sweetie...it was Cory, Zander and Kivam, lol.

 

Oh. lol

[Talya]

 

 

First - hooray, someone gets it.

 

Second - I'm pretty sure I've said exactly that, repeatedly.

I mean... you have sort of said that but it was never clear.

 

 

I don't see how you can argue I'm "misrepping" anything.

It was the "last night" qualifier that made this confusing. You seemed to be implying that Wombat was fluffing the WHOLE GAME in your post then said that I did the same thing "last night." So you compared Wombat's content over the whole game to my content over a very short period of time and that was/is confusing because it comes across as a contextual misrep. I'm not even sure of the point you were trying to make or why my name was brought up in the first place.

 

Thank you! I will take my time and analyze this carefully. Glad you obliged. <3

Yup. You are entitled to one detailed explanation of Yates-Think [TM] as a first time player with me.

 

Kivam seems to have addressed the question you had for me. And his response is pretty much what I was expecting. Yes there were others [i think two? Maybe?] that hadn't posted but I think Pral was the only one that Kivam had experience with. That's how I do my inactivity prods on the rare occasion I do them as well so this seems reasonable/legit.

 

Side note: did you invade our Skype chat and possibly infiltrate a game of CAH once a couple of months ago? I'm either having a memory or about to have a seizure.

 

I wish I could've been here for it live, but

 

 

 

You are a lot younger than I remember...

My niece!

 

 

At first glance I thought it was a picture of my daughter, had to do a double take, lol (a bit younger there thought)

[keyholder21]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING VIETNAM! Game thread :). I may or may not be in a weird mood this morning >.>
 

One thing I wanted to comment on was the Cory, Clov, AJ love triangle thing. Something strange is afoot here. I'll probably reread that whole exchange between Cory and Clov a couple more times tomorrow [if the thread doesn't blow up overnight] to parse out what bothers me about it.

Putting this here to remind you to go back. I want to know what you saw.

 

Key's been very paranoid of them in hydra chat and I'm probably mildly biased reading that slot and I accept that about myself

. This makes me sound crazy. Rereading some of the game though, I’ve noticed that I’ve been getting my thoughts about them out on the QT, which means they aren’t here in the game. I’ll have to fix that.

I like this point by Razen. Earlier Shad addressed this, I think, by saying something along the lines of he votes for who is scummy, regardless. I'll try and find it in a minute. But it seems imperative to take the other person into account when dealing with hydras.

I forgot to do this last night, so I’m putting this here to remind myself.
 

*snipped*
One interpretation of this post is; "I'm voting for Pral BECAUSE he likes to lurk as scum and hasn't even checked in yet."

That's the interpretation I had.

However, another interpretation is; "I'm voting for Pral since nobody is doing anything else and I like to prod lurkers when I don't have better things to do with my vote. ALSO, he likes to lurk as scum. Let's make him post a lot."

This was not an interpretation that immediately came to mind but is one that seems to be implied by his defense posts. I kind of didn't want to spell it out since it would have been better if HE had said something like this. Also, I could be wrong about this interpretation.

Still, the second interpretation seems like it could be implied if you string together this, this, this, this, this, and this. It's like he's answering suspicion without even realizing that we are all assuming the first interpretation - ie. he's unaware of why his post is being read as an accusation. But if you reread those links with the second interpretation in mind? I can buy it.

Yates hella green villager.
 

*snipped*
Why thanks.
Is this post your explanation? :o
If so:
Topics of interest-
a. John Snow:
No explanation for reads. You want explanation.
b. BFG:
She expects more out of Pral. You find this weird.
c. Kivam:
You agree with Clov. Also, hint that Kiv might be emo.

Is that post my explanation of what? Liking you?
Yes on Snow.
Yes on BFG, sorta. I find it weird that she expects more out of him right now. It’s unusual for him to do a lot in the beginning of big games, from what I remember. PLUS I think that’s a small thing to be talking about in a game with 1000+ replies.
No on Kiv being emo. Yes on the interpretation of how Clov was reading Kiv's vote for Pral.

[Talya]

OKay, nothing new to go on, so me... I am going to try to leave the thread for others to share their thoughts.

 

But just one more thing, AJ retracting/clarifying his suspicion of Kivam so quickly after Hallia supported his approach means he is like to be town imo.

 

Can you point out where (I have quoted some posts of his further up, don't remember this)

[Yates]

Just going to highlight some meta stuff from Cory that's almost certainly true. These are meta observations that he would and does make as any alignment so agree or disagree, I think *he* believes these things to be true.

 

Re: Zander

As much as I love Zander he can be incredibly poor at defending himself and explaining what he thinks in a way that other people will understand

This is almost verbatim something I said in Belicheat.

 

During the only wolf game of Zander's I have ever read he was pretty much in line with his now usual villager play-style (high post content, repetitive, etc.) but in that specific game 85% of his gameplay was him bussing one of his partners

This also happens to be 100% fact. In the Belicheat game Zander was universally Town read all game and rode his Town cred from the Star Wars game to victory as scum. I was guilty of early Town reading him as well. I'm not even sorry about it. Zander played a great first time scum game. I pretty much stopped reading after I was killed N1 but if anyone saw any solid tells I'm all ears.

 

Re: AJ

AJ is a very good "tone faker" as Mafia and sometimes relies on it, I remember him getting to like ~Day 4 in a POG game as a wolf solely on having good tone without actually even doing anything

 

Can see him trying to use it as a crutch as wolf

Worth noting.

 

AFAICT AJ can't help but wrack his brain as a villager

AJ has no problem taking controversial stances and pushing them with some force as a villager and I can usually read him based on whether or not he's trying to do work or show work

Both very likely true. Though I'm cutting him some slack since my understanding is that he was at Sea World all day yesterday - which is when the content really started to flow and everyone had finally checked in.

 

Oh. And he's ALWAYS right about Hally. So Hally is probably Town regardless of Cory's alignment.

[Yates]

 

One thing I wanted to comment on was the Cory, Clov, AJ love triangle thing. Something strange is afoot here. I'll probably reread that whole exchange between Cory and Clov a couple more times tomorrow [if the thread doesn't blow up overnight] to parse out what bothers me about it.

Putting this here to remind you to go back. I want to know what you saw.

 

Thanks. That's next on my agenda. May take a bit.

[Yates]

Well I am extremely likable

Lynch all liars?

[keyholder21]

Second - I'm pretty sure I've said exactly that, repeatedly.

Not exactly that, because I didn’t get it and I’m probably more  willing to give you the benefit of the doubt than anyone else in this game other than maybe Wombat and possibly Nyn. 

 

Apparently my desktop doesn't let me take out nested quotes so well.

 

I feel like I already answered this? I'll give you that Yates had several in a row that were fluffy last night, but then he had a bunch that were actually relevant to the game/gamesolve. Your first quote above is a misrep because you lead into the comment about Yates by saying that you find Wombat's multiquotes worthless... Yates did the same thing last night. Implying that he never got to anything about the game when in fact literally 14 minutes after he posted fluff, he started posting game stuff.

 

As far as "any of his posts before" he got back to you about Nyn - what does this have to do with anything? I never mentioned Nyn and in your first quote above neither did you. You implied that he NEVER got around to it

 

What about that is a misrep?  Yates made a serious of posts, and they were worthless.  Unless you want to argue that the handful of ones he made in succession that I quotes somehow gave a positive contribution to the thread, I don't see how you can argue I'm "misrepping" anything.

 

Regarding his post about Nyn...it's a bench mark.  I'm pointing out where I felt his posts stopped being meaningless and actually could be considered solving.

 

My post:

 

 

 

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

Seems people are starting to echo my thoughts here.

 

Need to leave for work now, I'll try to peek at the thread throughout the day if I get the chance.

 

I must have missed your thoughts in him, and I'm not about to try isoingbin my phone. Can you rehash?

 

Fwiw I don't have feelings about Wombat one away another this game, besides finding his multiqyotes worthless. Yates did the same thing last night - quote and reply to posts that don't mean much of anything towards solving the game. Not sure its more than null for Wombat in one way or the other.

 

 

 

I don't feel that's an implication there that EVERYTHING was worthless, but looking at it from somebody else's pov... I don't feel you're reaching on this one. 

 

 

Bold - Thanks?  Also, I assume this paragraph answers your question above about what I thought was misrepped?

 

Really thanks for going back and looking at it though.  You’re making me feel better about your slot right now than BFG is. 

 

 

 

Wish - a. may return as true, but if so, I don't know about it.  The only other truly dedicated lurker in this game (based on my experience) is Hallia, and she was already actively posting (and had recently said she was making an effort to be more active).  Keep in mind what I said earlier - I have a lot of mafia experience, but not with most of these players (there's a reason Wombat said he didn't buy my emo headfake, but pretty much everyone else did ... he's played with me for years).  So wrt most of this game's players, asking me if they usually lurk as scum makes as much sense as asking you if they do.  I just don't know the answer.

Got it. *nod nod*

What you say here seems genuine. Why did you emo headfake? I don't understand that.

 

 

Because Kiv likes to play games lol. 

 

 

Stopping at 40- note for myself

 

I'm going to be on today, in hopefully 5 hours or so because I can't take posting wot's and not getting to talk irt, it's much easier for me to read people that way.

 

It’s 5 hours later….

 

  

Catching up from page 45. Sorry for just disappearing last night, I had a major headache keeping me from using the computer.

 L I hope you feel better.

 

it wasn't you sweetie...it was Cory, Zander and Kivam, lol.

 

Cory is in a hydra with me because I don’t always have a ton of time and I’m the one that wanted to play.  He’s never said anything about not having time lol.  He IS going on vaca after today though, so I would expect his contribution to markedly decrease.

[Talya]

I am proud to say I have been reading from page 30 through 50, and I like Razen and Cory, but Nyn less.

 

HAven't noticed anything significant from clov. Cory feels dejected by AJ, I think. Most of the time I agree with what Cory posts, and Razen too.

 

I think Zander is floating in his normal meta that is easy to fake. tbh I should pay more attention to him.

 

I haven't seen laine around. my vote stays.

 

Last I saw Kivam was in the lead. Nyn might be tunneling mish. While I think mish overreacted, I don't understand the full picture. Nyn said Kivam was covering for Mish' behavior.

 

Salami basically suggested of 8 slots none of them were wolves. -__-

 

Wombat complains a lot about the length of the game and I dislike that. It pings. Wolves complain about the length of a game when they post to lay slank cover. And I don't even care if it is too long, he focuses on it a lot.

 

Why do you like Nyn less now?

 

What do you think about Clov's push of Kivam's explanation of his vote on Pral?

[Talya]

Forget the above post, you answered it :rollseyes:

[Talya]

There are points here I like

 

 

 

 

Just realized I read a whole page without absorbing a single word.  To be continued tomorrow.

 

45 pages how wonderful.  Gonna need a drink.  Or six.

 

[unvote]

 

p. 32  People start quoting other games.  Cuz we don't have enough to read in this game lol.

 

 

Irksome.
 

 

what happened to your fixation on hydras?

What is your intent with this? I'm still eating breakfast so I may be missing something.

 

I wanted her to follow up.

 

No kidding, Yates? People are misreading me. Not crazily enough for the misread to be inherently scummy, though I'd be willing to bet scum will jump on the opportunity to keep pushing it, which has me looking cross-eyed at Zander. I'm fairly sure Cory, Clov, and Sili are town, leery of Hally, and otherwise pretty much blank on everyone else. Playing the game on tapatalk and between crises at work doesn't give me much room to do deep analysis of the thread. If i survive long enough that will change (it had better) but as a townie the only real reason i care about avoiding a D1 lynch is obligation to mish. No complex plans this game, no long cons, no false trails to lay ... no obligations to anyone but her. Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

=/

 

This shows he's progressing reads though.

 

A lot of talk went on about your PRalaya vote, but I don't care much about your Pralaya vote.

 

Sometimes people don't say stuff right.

 

 

No kidding, Yates? People are misreading me.

Like who? Do you think it's intentional? What is/are he/she/they misreading?

Personally, I'm not worried about the hydra hunting stuff. That's a discussion we had quite recently [star Wars, I think?].

I also don't care about the vendetta thing; though I would have counted both of your votes from earlier when Kaylee asked instead. If you use vote formatting, I think it's a vote. And I don't think it's crazy for a mod to count it, regardless of the situation. People actually DO self-vote for whatever reason. So it's not unreasonable to assume that a vote statement formatted as a vote will be counted as a vote. So really, I think that's on you without knowing anything else about it - but I digress. I don't want to make an argument out of something that isn't really any of my business.

I *do* agree that the Pral stuff looks bad. I get that you prod inactives. I think you told us that was your Town meta when you voted for him as our team mate. I'm not even really bothered by the vote itself. What's bothering me is how you chose to explain the vote. If you said something as simple as "I picked a name out of a hat" or "Pral is the only inactive I know so I prodded him," then I don't think this would even still be an issue.

I'm not trying to gang up on you here. I just want you to understand at least where *I* am coming from so maybe you can help me understand where *YOU* are coming from. Thanks.

 

Similar to Aj was, Yates isn't pushing an agenda either. Maybe I'm wrong, but I expect experienced players to be more agendaee.

 

Trying to keep track of all the people I can.

 

 

Town Reads

 

Hallia- Like her spunk.  came in ready to go with no fear.

Nyn- straight to the point, pulling no punches. liked her posts.

Sili- started to get the game in gear.  making solid points.

Alanna- Playing more like her Town!Alanna self.

 

Scum-

 

Kiv/Mish- emo posts, overreactions, defensive, not game solving.

 

Rest will take a while.

reads. no hedging. super.

 

you hedged a lot when you were scum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also something to note is that Pral wasn't the only player that hadn't checked in at the time either.  So it's interesting that Kivam singles him out.

 
I actually didn't think about that.  I'd have to check to see who else hadn't posted yet, but this could be a very helpful observation for later.

 

 
Really?  That's putting a lot of weight behind "If my memory is right, he likes to lurk as scum, and hasn't checked in yet." It wasn't a focus of conversation until other players made it one.  If Kivam flips scum I don't think it says anything about Pral let alone other inactives at this point.

 

Clov says later; you say "at this point". Calling this out seems odd since he wasn't talking about right now.

 

 

/shrug I was thinking in terms of what we could use later if Kiv flips scum right now.  Clov went on to clarify.

 

 

 

MOD NOTE: CSARMI WILL BE REPLACING BECK

 

O.O oh.

In short, focusing on a group that might be all villagers is crazy, stupid and scummy.

 

@Laine - unless you wanna focus on people with names starting with A perhaps?

Unimpressive. -__-

 

I see the Kivam stuff as a mountain out of mole hill, not seeing it. Also not seeing the Emo that Zander said, except for the false one. If one things about Kivam I haven't learnt, is he likes the last word (must be the lawyer in him).

 

Nyn isn't looking that bad for her push.

 

Sili is a bit Meh! but I always get him wrong.

 

Hally started off good, don't agree with what she said on Kivam

 

Zander is toned down (at last), feels stretching on his emo stuff with Kiv. Seph not looking so bad, wondered about his commentory on his play, and how he was changing it, then did the WoT he was building up to.

 

Want to see more on BFG, Laine, and others I've already forgotten :p

 

On a game this big that's about it atp

Meh? I feel dejected.

 

 

 

Dice seems energetic.

 

Im exhausted  this week has suxed big ones!  its friday hopefully things will be quieter and i can play at work.

 

Dice BFG's villager game is much different than it used to be

Maybe you haven't noticed cause she's been too busy owning your soul :P

But her average post count has skyrocketed and she's several times more open and confident in her reads

 

I only spoke about her Wots Cory. Your right she is much more active does really indepth looks  but her Wots haven't changed. They have a certain tone to them when shes town

 

 

Nyn has been...abrasive in how she's asked some of her questions and given her responses.  It's different from what I'm used to seeing, but that isn't a bad thing.  I've generally liked the way she's pushed the misrep of Pralaya's meta from Kivam.

 

 

 

Are u talkin about my Nyn?? Cause it doesnt seem like it.

 

Voting me for what Seph said I said instead of looking at what I said is super-bad. [v]Misheru[/v]

Surprisingly not that bothered by Kivam yet.

 

 

Explain this will you? How do you vote one half of a hydra but say you are not bothered by the other? Doesnt that make them null?

 

 

 

 

 

on page 40

 

Nitpicking shad.

 

Don't really mind shad not liking one half of a hydra and then voting them.

 

I wasn't being sarcastic with my energetic comment but maybe you were tired and were overcompensating. =/

 

@ Nyn, I get the Zander thing.

You say you gut read sili, can you articulate it at all, I struggle there?

 

How about you elaborate on the meh read. -_-

 

 

I think you are making the pretty grand mistake of assuming Zander knows the meanings of the words he uses

 

 

don't remember anything alignment indicative from darthe or nord.

 

 

 

 

 

I like the comment on the Kivam vote on Pral especially. that's how I feel on it.

 

There is progression of his thoughts here.

[keyholder21]

 

I like this point by Razen. Earlier Shad addressed this, I think, by saying something along the lines of he votes for who is scummy, regardless. I'll try and find it in a minute. But it seems imperative to take the other person into account when dealing with hydras.

I forgot to do this last night, so I’m putting this here to remind myself.

 

Here is the ones I was thinking of -

 

 

Explain this will you? How do you vote one half of a hydra but say you are not bothered by the other? Doesnt that make them null?

I vote things and find scum. /shrug

 

At least he's sticking to his guns on that point. I think it's poor gameplay to not consider the other hydra head, but now that I see this, I don't think that looks bad in terms ofShad's alignment. Just a different style.

[Talya]

[unvote]

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

 

 

Zander, that's still not an answer.  You quoted that post and said "again with these types of comments".  Everybody knows what prior posts you were referring to.  What you haven't explained is what in that post you looked at and said "oh, this is AtE just like the others".

=/

 

[unvote]

[v]Kivam[/v]

 

[v]

 

 

The two votes right after each other, can you please explain thoughts behind them

[seph]

Catching up

[Talya]

@ Key - what are reading from Yates that makes him town?

[michellem]

Currently on page 58. Need a break. Hopefully be done with catchup + catchup posts within two hours (soz, slow reader)

[Andrej]

Running late this morning and I'm back to Sea World all day again with 29 kids that aren't mine

 

I'll give this game the TLC it needs tonight and over the weekend

[Talya]

Running late this morning and I'm back to Sea World all day again with 29 kids that aren't mine

 

I'll give this game the TLC it needs tonight and over the weekend

 

Are you sure....>.>

[Yates]

The Clov/Cory/AJ Stuff Post

Apologies for the long post. For those of you that want to follow along at home, I think the Clov/Cory/AJ stuff all started at post 972. Also, yes I'm clipping posts to the parts germane to *my* interpretation of events. Feel free to click on the quote links if you think you need full quotes for context.
 

I think AJ's sounded pretty good this far and I like that he's going against the grain a bit with the Wombat vote...

This statement from Clov seems to have prompted Cory to say this:

My biggest problem with AJ is that the tone is there but the thought process isn't
 
AJ is a very good "tone faker" as Mafia and sometimes relies on it, I remember him getting to like ~Day 4 in a POG game as a wolf solely on having good tone without actually even doing anything
 
Can see him trying to use it as a crutch as wolf

So it looks like Clov is comfortable with AJ and Cory thinks it's possible AJ is using tone as a wolf crutch. This, btw, is why I think Clov was saying Cory thought AJ might be a wolf. I thought Cory was saying that too. This wasn't really cleared up for me until here:

I'm not saying "AJ is a wolf", I am saying "I don't have enough from AJ to figure out his alignment yet and I usually can when he's a villager"

Clov responds here:

Is this meant to be in regards to his overall wolf game, or him this game?  He's been ~fairly quiet this game, but his bigger reads post at least gives something to work with, and I didn't see any glaring logic holes.  "More gut than anything" on Wombat doesn't explain much but I understand where he's coming from IRT Shad/Nyn/Kiv/Mish.

I believe this was intended as a kind of a generic defense of his read. "His bigger reads post gives us something to work with" isn't really something to Town read someone for, though. And frankly, neither is "I didn't see any glaring logic holes" when you are talking about an experienced mafia vet.

I think some of that is echoed here without being stated as a challenge:

I don't really look for "logic holes" on players that have no problem playing the game logically in either alignment
 
It's not exactly difficult to keep a straight narrative and for a lot of players doing so or not doing so is not really alignment indicative
 
I don't remember anything helpful in that reads posts but I'll look again

It might be the lack of force/bite in this post that actually got me wondering what was going on with this argument. Even when having a simple off-topic discussion Cory is usually more forceful when he thinks someone's opinion might be wrong. So I guess I expected him to be direct and actually challenge Clov here?? Just don't know why he didn't. Just thought of this [given his later vote] - unless he was already a little uncomfortable with Clov and was slow playing him for info? Cory??
 

I guess I don't understand what you're saying he's lacking, then.

So, again, unless he's now measuring Cory I don't understand the point of this? I'd think Clov would just ask Cory for his case/read on AJ if he thought Cory was calling AJ scum.
 

Interest in doing anything besides the bare minimum would be a start

As I stated in an earlier post, AJ had announced he'd be at Sea World all day. So just when I started taking Cory's side on this he drops the activity post. Or maybe he was expecting more from the previous posts somehow?

I wasn't surprised by this:

(It was because you said that his thought process is lacking and then tried to back up that claim by talking about effort)

And Clov is right. Cory mentions "though process" vs tone in that first post above. Cory also mentions not seeing anything "helpful" in AJ's reads post. So when Clov pushes him by directly asking Cory what's lacking? I see why the "effort" response ["interest in doing anything besides the bare minimum"] was challenged.

I'm going to do this quote out of order because I just figured something out. This shows Clov supporting what I thought Clov was thinking:

I asked what's he not showing and you basically said a desire to do anything.  That's not even remotely the same thing as what you said here.
 
Why are you having a hard time understanding literally everything I've said this game?

However, this could possibly be a semantic argument because I don't think Cory realized what he said [kind of like Kivam from earlier] that was being misunderstood.

You lost me
 
AFAICT AJ can't help but wrack his brain as a villager and he's not doing that here
 
I really have zero idea what you are trying to say

I'm glad I'm rereading this now because I think I missed some stuff last night. I think what Cory is trying to say here is that it *IS* the thought process that is lacking in that AJ didn't appear to be demonstrating that brain wracking quality that Cory looks for. So in the post above, he wasn't just saying "effort," he was saying that the demonstration of thought process is what was missing.

And I think that clears up some stuff for me.

I'll spoiler what I was originally concerned about until this reread since I already had this typed up at the bottom of my post.

And the whole big question is; why is it AJ that is in the middle of this kerfuffle? Was it timing - Clov having just weighed in on a Key post wrt AJ during catch up? Was Clov hard defending a scum buddy? Was Clov trying to pocket AJ? Is Cory trying to keep a mislynch option open? It's just a lot to piece together.

 

[Yates]

Annnnnnnd I'm spent.  Taking a short recess.

[Yates]

Oh that reminds me:

 

Similar to Aj was, Yates isn't pushing an agenda either. Maybe I'm wrong, but I expect experienced players to be more agendaee.

What does this mean, Sili? Are you saying pushing an agenda is something you expect from Town or from scum?

[seph]

Thanks for that post yates, I was having

Trouble trying to follow that earlier in my read, and it helped quite a bit.

 

I'm glad to see cory/clov talking like this, because from past games I remember they always seemed to be buddy buddy, And let each other float bye until later in the game.

[seph]

I may take a nap and come back itt later, when more people are here if your leaving yates.

[michellem]

I'm here. Typing up a reply-post (will will probably be several due to quote limits)

 

Also ENFP in the house.