[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[Kivam]

Case in point - look at how many ppl skimming this thread still think i was serious in my earlier reactions.

 

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[Cory Caboose]

How would you expect Pral to react to your prodding as a villager? As a wolf?

[Cory Caboose]

Villa captain arriving

 

[Kivam]

Cory, it wasn't a reaction test. It was a "come out and post" vote. As scum or town, I'd expect to get at least some content in response that i could *later* use to get a read of Pral. The only really overly scummy behavior would normally be entirely ignoring it, since that would suggest an actual dedication to lurking rather than just a pattern of behavior. Hence the vote - in a game this large it would be easy to miss a generic prod for content while skimming. Much harder to miss an actual bold red vote that's also counted on every vote count

 

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[Cory Caboose]

okok

 

fwiw Pral's absences tend to be less of the "lurker" variety and more of the "doesn't have a lot of time" afaict - when he's around he usually posts and makes reads of his own volition

 

I guess we'll see

[Clovdyx]

 

One more time with feeling: i made no accusation against Pral. I prodded him to participate because if he happens to be scum this game, i want content to analyze. If I haven't made this clear enough in this and other threads, I DON'T BELIEVE IN META. Good players can stay consistent across alignment and bad players will get caught making mistakes with or without meta on them. Other than wanting to know if particular arguments are out of character for a player (if i start advocating no lynch D1, there's something weird going on), things like affect and tone are meaningless to me, because they can be faked so easily Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

I don't see how the bold isn't a complete lie.  

 

 

Since nobody is doing anything ... [v]Pralaya[/v].  If my memory is right, he likes to lurk as scum, and hasn't checked in yet.  Pral, where're you at?  Start laying some content down.

 

 

That was your vote and explanation.  You could have just voted him and made a comment like "Come out and play" and left it there.  You deliberately pointed out that you associate him with lurking as mafia, and you point out that he's not being active.  You didn't say, "I think Pral is scum", but I think there's a pretty clear insinuation in that post.

[BFG]

I'm afraid I'm just speed reading tonight, hopefully I'll have chance to dig in tomorrow .

 

So early on Hallia, Lenlo, Celeste, Seph, AJ, Sili, wish-tree and Talya are all sounding relaxed

 

Sili's looking pretty good for the immediate focus in game play. Slight disconnect in that he catches Sanders 'peek' as being out of character, but misses(?) that it's on his hydra.

 

Shad, Kivam both sounding less relaxed, but likely due to out of game stuff?

 

From the straight 'tone' side of things I suspect that being relaxed in thread has more relation to alignment for wish-tree and Celeste given that they're new here (welcome btw!)

 

Lenlo feels a bit snippy in his response to Sili about game related comments and then misses the hydra 'peek' as well.

 

(waves back through time to Zander and Sili)

 

(also Laine! )

 

Mish's reaction to Laine is null at this point. Kivam's logic is a little one sided, given that he leaves out their obvious benefit to town.

 

Hallia's vote is probably a good look, but the reasons are a little odd, she votes Kivam because of his 'follow through' vote and Mish because of her reaction to Laines 'follow through' vote.

 

I don't really understand Ravens confusion here though, if Hallia found them both scummy independent of each other why wouldn't she say so?

 

I'll admit imp feeling a little bogged down in this argument so will come back to it with a clearer head tomorrow.

 

Zander arguing against the votes on Laine probably makes them unlikely to be mafia teammates this game, since I think Zander would be more self conscious about doing it again after Belichick (particularly given this is his first(?) game since).

 

In answer to Celeste:

 

 

 

Town (by a lot!)

Team (I rely on other peoples reads to help ground mine a lot of the time)

At the moment I'll be happy with not hindering. I'm better in smaller games where I convince myself that nitpicking into insignificant details will somehow reveal the entire mafia team...

For myself play it safe/straight

I think a couple of years now

Town/mafia, but villager/wolf is probably only a matter of time

 

Also as a side you probably don't want to believe any of the people telling you they're not good at mafia

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So about half way caught up; Hallia, Sili are looking the best so far, and Wish-tree/Celeste also seeming relaxed on thread.

[Clovdyx]

Cory, it wasn't a reaction test. It was a "come out and post" vote. As scum or town, I'd expect to get at least some content in response that i could *later* use to get a read of Pral. The only really overly scummy behavior would normally be entirely ignoring it, since that would suggest an actual dedication to lurking rather than just a pattern of behavior. Hence the vote - in a game this large it would be easy to miss a generic prod for content while skimming. Much harder to miss an actual bold red vote that's also counted on every vote count Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

How does this even work?  If you voted him trying to get him to show up, and he suddenly shows up to respond to it, I would think that's HIGHLY indicative of lurking.  If he shows up in a day and a half without seemingly have done any reading, I would think THAT is more of a pattern of inactivity.

[Yates]

I've never actually seen a callout for this or taken issue with it.

Remember this?

 

You're cutting and splicing quotes of mine that had context before and after them, not including those.

I'm cutting and slicing quotes to include only the bits pertinent to my discussion and leaving the links there for anyone concerned with context. Which is what I ALWAYS do. And you know it. Nice try, noob.

 

We were both Town, fwiw.

[Yates]

I'm a unike one and only

I believe that's spelled; E-U-N-U-C-H, eunuch.

[Sili Quirrels]

Sili - no, not really. Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

Disappointing.

[BFG]

In general the thread still feels mostly fluffy apart from some largely alignment null discussion about hydra's. I need to take a look to see if it's a few people that keep going back to the fluff. Having said that game's still only 12 hours old, so probably another null point anyway

 

 

 

 

 

Also I'm flagging (near 2am), but I want to catch up before I actually sleep :)

[Cory Caboose]

Hi BFG.

[Clovdyx]

Hi BFG.

 

Hi Cory.

[Cory Caboose]

Yeah we get it.

[Kaylee]

 

I'm a unike one and only

I believe that's spelled; E-U-N-U-C-H, eunuch.

More like UNIQUE

[Clovdyx]

Yeah we get it.

 

...I don't, but whatever.

[Andrej]

Traffic traffic.

 

Lookin' for my Chapstick

[BFG]

 

Hi BFG.

 

Hi Cory.

 

Hi Cory :)

[BFG]

Hi Nyn :)

How come Nyn gets a smile?

[Andrej]

Hi BFG :)

[BFG]

Hi AJ

[Cory Caboose]

I have a mild concern about a player but I am not going to air it out yet

 

The player I was concerned about was BFG.

 

At the time BFG had made a single post:

 

Good morning :)

 

Innocuous enough. I think this is about ~8 AM her time, so a checking in before work/whatever type deal. I expected she'd post a couple of times and chat around before her volume dropped off, as she's been very comfortable and very involved in her last handful of villager games. 

 

Nothing followed this. Again, not going to condemn someone who could be having a busy morning, IDK what people's IRL deals are, whatever. But it reminded me of something I had mentally noted down in 9 to 5 mafia when I was her mafia partner for a day (she subbed out around ~n1) - BFG has some trouble naturally interacting in real time with people as Mafia. IDK if it's just that little trigger in your brain that looks over a post and goes "should I post?" not hitting out of some weird self-consciousness, but I remember it there, and I remember in the one day I was playing with her I was making sure to talk to her ITT and give her lines to pursue because she wasn't really moving on her own volition.

 

She was more active in a different Mafia game - AH's Pokemon game - and I am going to look it over when I get time, but even know her contribution is one "larger" more succinct reads posts where she discusses various things (#582) but again is not really interested in communicating openly and in real-time. Reminds me a lot of Cass tbh - assumes people will find a wall of words / reads villagery and leave it alone for some time, but lacks the minute-by-minute commitment and willingness to relax and discuss ITT.

 

Not a condemnation and I want to to chew on it some more but if I would guess this is Mafia!BFG more often than Town!BFG by a fair margin.

[Yates]

And I so think we should have some sort of mafia bonds. Verb! Make it happen!

Dibbs on making Zander my mafia wife.

[Cory Caboose]

Unfortunately there's probably a good chance I should have let that read develop before talking about it since if nothing else Clov can talk his way out of most things for a long time and I don't like giving people time to correct things they might not pay attention to about themselves in active games before things are ultimately decided

 

But lord knows I have trouble shutting my mouth