[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[Nynaeve]

 

 

@Nyna: So, are you going to answer my question seriously now?

 

You could technically read old games to get a grasp on meta, but considering the sheer amount of players in this game, it would take ages and I wouldn't recommend it. I think meta is used a lot more on D1. Once the games progresses, cases shift more towards content and less on meta. So it won't be such a gap going forward. As for now.... if someone mentions a player's meta and absolutely no one disputes it, you can more or less rely on it, IMO.

How is that supposed to help us if we are new here? D1 isn't all about meta though as it's a new time to force new reads on a totally different game.

 

 

Do I have yoda stamped on my forehead?  

 

No, D1 isn't ALL about meta. I never said that. I said it's used MORE on D1.

 

 

Yes, you're new. Yes, you don't have the meta knowledge. Suck it up, play here a couple of times and you'd be privy to the information. 

 

glgl

[Kivam]

 

I don't get what you mean?

 

That was to Shad, btw.

 

My point was instead of viewing someone as scummy for dropping a bogus vote they can potentially sit on, you should wait and see who's sitting on bogus votes.

 

Mafia Analysis 101 from Shad.  Patience is a HUGE part of scumhunting

[Sili Quirrels]

1. They are completely different. I never said I found Laine scummy. I said I disliked it. There is a difference.

2. You are putting words in my mouth. I never said Hallie was villagery for fos'ing you, but I think I get the distinction she makes.

 

There are different standards for you and Laine, therefore I do have a double standard and that double standard is CORRECT.

[Kivam]

 

 

 

OK, genuinely not liking the byplay between Sili and Hally there.  Have no idea what the relevant difference they're relying on is.  Someone care to explain?

 

Cory, can you explain that read?

Wait, really?

 

You (seemingly) voted AJ due to anger carried over from another game.  It had nothing to do with this one.

 

Laine is (seemingly) using her hydra position to try and figure out this game.  But obviously her position on LAH needs to change with evidence/reads, so she needs to have some kind of progression.  Otherwise it's a poor excuse for play.

 

 

Yes, really.  Trying very hard to stick to the PG13 guidelines here.  So ... no stuff, my very first ingame vote, made what, an hour? after the game opened had nothing to do with content from this game.  Nobody's vote at that stage ever has anything to do with anything from the current game.  So people are getting on me because I posted a ventvote instead of a jokevote? Seriously?

 

You know what, whatever.  I'm going to take a break from this game for a bit because at the moment I'm not having any fun at all.  Will be back in a few RL days.  Let me know if I'm dead. 

 

 

 

 

I didn't get on you at all?  I was explaining what Sili said in a different way.  

 

I wasn't trying to make you mad :(.  

 

 

Sorry to catch you up in that ... had to win an argument on the internet about whether massive emo reactions could be convincingly faked in a mafia game

[Nynaeve]

 

 

Believe me, Laine's lynch all hydras thing is null. Make what you will of people supporting it.

 

Like I said, I disagree with the concept. Laine is still squarely null right now. But I want to see where she goes with it. Kiv's supporting it cause... MATH!.... eh.  As is him trying to portray a null Pral tell as a scummy. Zander charging in, agreeing with Kiv, and demanding a vote on Laine be removed is a head scratcher. I'm taking my time with him, though, cause judging by the last game we played together.... I don't speak Zanderlish. 

 

 

Not my intent.  I only played with him as scum, at least that I remember, so that's all I know.  But I'm not a fan of lurkers of any alignment, so prodding for content is part of my D1 play anyway.  I'd point you to AJ's Pulp Fiction game where I did the same thing ... but I was scum there, so that's not all that helpful anyway

 

 

If you only played with him as scum, then you shouldn't be using meta. You clearly said that as scum he lurks. That's the basis of your vote. Only he is a low content poster regardless of his alignment. Whether you approve of low content players or not is irreverent.

 

You didn't place a vote for reaction. You placed a vote, while characterizing his absence as scummy.

[Shad_]

Also, since joke stage is over, I'll:

[v]Unvote[/v]

 

I'm also not sure where the content is in the game. It looks a lot like reasoning based off of knowledge of meta, which I have no knowledge of. Anyone want to tell me what I can do?

 

28 players, there's going to be a lot of past knowledge based-reads going on.  Take advantage of not knowing anyone to catch scummy things we're passively accepting as normal.

[Kivam]

1. They are completely different. I never said I found Laine scummy. I said I disliked it. There is a difference.

2. You are putting words in my mouth. I never said Hallie was villagery for fos'ing you, but I think I get the distinction she makes.

 

There are different standards for you and Laine, therefore I do have a double standard and that double standard is CORRECT.

 

1) OK.  I read "dislike" as alignment indicative rather than philosophical disagreement

2) Which carried over to this.

 

As for double standards ... I'm flattered, I guess

[Nynaeve]

 

 

 

@Nyna: So, are you going to answer my question seriously now?

 

You could technically read old games to get a grasp on meta, but considering the sheer amount of players in this game, it would take ages and I wouldn't recommend it. I think meta is used a lot more on D1. Once the games progresses, cases shift more towards content and less on meta. So it won't be such a gap going forward. As for now.... if someone mentions a player's meta and absolutely no one disputes it, you can more or less rely on it, IMO.

How is that supposed to help us if we are new here? D1 isn't all about meta though as it's a new time to force new reads on a totally different game.

 

I like you.

 

 

Of course you do

[Shad_]

 

Also, since joke stage is over, I'll:

[v]Unvote[/v]

 

I'm also not sure where the content is in the game. It looks a lot like reasoning based off of knowledge of meta, which I have no knowledge of. Anyone want to tell me what I can do?

 

28 players, there's going to be a lot of past knowledge based-reads going on.  Take advantage of not knowing anyone to catch scummy things we're passively accepting as normal.

 

 

Like, I'm just following my gut through half of this because keeping track of what everyone says would be chaos.

[Kivam]

Not going back and forth with you on this Nyn.  You're completely misreading my post.  That is all.

[michellem]

I dropped Alanna for two reasons:

 

Becuse Kiv told me I was being stupid XD So I figured I'd listen to my quite wiser head.

 

And I liked Alanna's reaction.

 

I really didn't like Hallia's vote, but her later posts have me feel better about her. Also liking Sili, Nyn, and Shad so far.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm also not sure where the content is in the game. It looks a lot like reasoning based off of knowledge of meta, which I have no knowledge of. Anyone want to tell me what I can do?

Make an alt account and ask for access to DT

Except that would be cheating, just in case you didn't know that... we had someone do that and made a lot of us very angry.

 

 

Mish?

 

 

No :P

[Kivam]

 

Yes, really.  Trying very hard to stick to the PG13 guidelines here.  So ... no stuff, my very first ingame vote, made what, an hour? after the game opened had nothing to do with content from this game.  Nobody's vote at that stage ever has anything to do with anything from the current game.  So people are getting on me because I posted a ventvote instead of a jokevote? Seriously?

 

You know what, whatever.  I'm going to take a break from this game for a bit because at the moment I'm not having any fun at all.  Will be back in a few RL days.  Let me know if I'm dead. 

 

Des?

 

That was my inspiration, yes.

[Nolder]

22 pages? I don't have time for this right now.

My friend is going in for a pre op surgery in an hour so I'll be at the hospital.

When we get back we'll probably do dinner with his family.

 

I'll catch up with the game sometime in the early evening hopefully.

Sorry. My fault, I slept all day lol.

[keyholder21]

Sorry to catch you up in that ... had to win an argument on the internet about whether massive emo reactions could be convincingly faked in a mafia game

lol. Lawyers .

 

 

 

Also, since joke stage is over, I'll:

[v]Unvote[/v]

 

I'm also not sure where the content is in the game. It looks a lot like reasoning based off of knowledge of meta, which I have no knowledge of. Anyone want to tell me what I can do?

 

28 players, there's going to be a lot of past knowledge based-reads going on.  Take advantage of not knowing anyone to catch scummy things we're passively accepting as normal.

 

Hella good advice.

 

 

 

Wish - just play the way you normally play, love. If you have questions about anyone's meta or their arguments then ask. Most of the time people will answer to help out new folks.

[Darthe]

Im skipping nols posts to tick him off :myrrdraal:

 

Celeste and razen wolves

 

Sili key Talya town

 

Gonna read the thread tonight

[Nynaeve]

Sorry. My fault, I slept all day lol.

 

The nap king lives on

[Darthe]

Seriously again with the mydrall? How do you even spell it then?

[Nolder]

22 pages? I don't have time for this right now.

My friend is going in for a pre op surgery in an hour so I'll be at the hospital.

When we get back we'll probably do dinner with his family.

 

I'll catch up with the game sometime in the early evening hopefully.

Sorry. My fault, I slept all day lol.

That came out wrong...

 

My friend isn't getting a sex change lol he's getting a cyst removed and they want to x ray him and stuff.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

Also, since joke stage is over, I'll:

[v]Unvote[/v]

 

I'm also not sure where the content is in the game. It looks a lot like reasoning based off of knowledge of meta, which I have no knowledge of. Anyone want to tell me what I can do?

28 players, there's going to be a lot of past knowledge based-reads going on. Take advantage of not knowing anyone to catch scummy things we're passively accepting as normal.

Like, I'm just following my gut through half of this because keeping track of what everyone says would be chaos.

How else would you do it?

 

Also did nol just show up?

[Nolder]

Seriously again with the mydrall? How do you even spell it then?

Dude you've been here like 10 years how do you not know? 

[Nynaeve]

Wish - just play the way you normally play, love. If you have questions about anyone's meta or their arguments then ask. Most of the time people will answer to help out new folks.

 

I saw that :P

[keyholder21]

 

Sorry. My fault, I slept all day lol.

 No fair.  I want sleep :(.  

 

Seriously again with the mydrall? How do you even spell it then?

 

Myrddraal  

[Darthe]

 

 

22 pages? I don't have time for this right now.

My friend is going in for a pre op surgery in an hour so I'll be at the hospital.

When we get back we'll probably do dinner with his family.

 

I'll catch up with the game sometime in the early evening hopefully.

Sorry. My fault, I slept all day lol.

That came out wrong...

 

My friend isn't getting a sex change lol he's getting a cyst removed and they want to x ray him and stuff.

It's cool he'll get an award and you get to be a celebrities side check so everything works out

[Darthe]

 

 

Seriously again with the mydrall? How do you even spell it then?

Dude you've been here like 10 years how do you not know?

I'm an idiot?

[Sili Quirrels]

OK, I'm done.

 

Shad, will you now concede that I was right?

 

Good thing Verbalou bowed out of this game.  Neither would have believed all that emo from me

 

I am legitimately serious, however, about not liking the double standard Sili is laying down.  I placed a ventvote on AJ early in the game, never had the chance to move it off when the game actually got serious, but Hally took that as a scumtell despite my announcing in the signup thread, pre-role PM, that I was going to be doing just that.  That's weird enough, but Sili finding it scummy when Laine gets suspected for following through on a Lynch All Hydras early joke approach, but perfectly townie when Hally does the same thing on my follow through on a ventvote is really hard for me to grasp.

In full, it's like this...

 

I have previously stated I do not have the requisite information to properly ascertain the likely-hood of either you or Laine flipping scum based on your approach to the game. I presume however Hallia has read more of the game than I have since she woke up. I do not think that is the case for Mish because Mish was very particular in her language. And to be clear, I do not like Laine's approach and probably never will, but I am looking for progression when I read her posts.

 

I did not call HAllia villagery. I did not call Laine scummy. The words I use are a lot more ambiguous because I feel ambiguously.

 

Furthermore a double standard is correct when you have two different people in two different situations. You apply different expectations in other words.

 

Well, you have missed the nuance of my statements and misrepresented me. And this has gone nowhere, therefore [v]Kivam[/v].