Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

BFG · July 7, 2015

@Dice, Any new reads? Other than AJ/Laine?

Zander? · July 7, 2015

Pre-rereading everything my gut right now feels the most comfortable with you, AJ, and Talya. (Funny, that.) I've got a lot of homework to do....

I never trust Talya end of D1 when she's town.

I'd like to think I've just gotten better at reading her though.

trusting a wolf is never a good idea imo.

Verbal32 · July 7, 2015

Official Vote Count 13:

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Hally (2/7) Thane, Pralaya

Tayla(1/7) Zander

Rand (5/7) Shad, Tayla, Aj, Hally, Yates

Not Voting (3/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine,

For reference

I'd bet 2 wolves in the oranges based on wagonomics. Wolves tend to bury votes on each other D1, or at least bury their vote on a meaningless or impossible lynch. If I had to choose who to lynch D2 based ONLY on this quote, I'd lynch Rand. He had a meaningless vote on D1, and in what I've read of him in my catchup, I see multiple FoSes and "intent to vote"-type posts, but I see his vote remained on me.....which was useless. Add to that his lynch did not go through. Wolves tend to easily nudge D1 mislynches through, but to have this stall (I don't know yet if there were other reasons for this, btw) makes me think the village might have had a wolf in their sights.

More to come on this theory.

so, Yates will do no explaining, Zander....

All the Town Vig shots are 1X only, if i remember *checks setup*... yes.. ok.

So, after having shot, the town vigs basically are VT...

i'd suggest that the 2 'hero shots', if there were two, or 3... no idea, would not reveal that they have shot. That way, the wolves do not know who still has a Vig shot left (if so). Having said that, i AM curious as too who has shot, but that can wait.

*inhales; exhales*

The long re-read would begin to tie some knots. I honestly feel sorry for Pral, not even having played properly in the game.

no he wont RIP brother!!!

letting the maf team know about ANY shots gone is a bad idea imo.

after this post Thane never being lynched imo.

No lynching again not an option as we need all the info we can gather to gain accurate info.

And we are gonna lynch Talya today!!

Based on my first half of the game catchup, no we are not lynching her today. Once I finish, I'll let you know whether that hold is lifted or not.

Shad_ · July 7, 2015

Sorry guys, forgot how much activity this requires, I'll try to step it up, when's deadline?

48 hours. You're really not aware that you just popped into the thread immediately after night ended?

ugg this is a bad bad look.....

I'm starting to feel like it's a cheap shot to stalk people's online/offline activity, but I'm getting in the bad habit of doing it this game, and I can't help but point out that Rand's last activity was 12:30. Whether he was pretending or dead serious that he didn't know the phase had just changed, that's some serious disinterest in the game right there. Scrolling back one page or refreshing 1 minute later would have answered his question. 0/10 for effort, town or scum.

Shad_ · July 7, 2015

Sorry guys, forgot how much activity this requires, I'll try to step it up, when's deadline?

48 hours. You're really not aware that you just popped into the thread immediately after night ended?

ugg this is a bad bad look.....

I'm starting to feel like it's a cheap shot to stalk people's online/offline activity, but I'm getting in the bad habit of doing it this game, and I can't help but point out that Rand's last activity was 12:30. Whether he was pretending or dead serious that he didn't know the phase had just changed, that's some serious disinterest in the game right there. Scrolling back one page or refreshing 1 minute later would have answered his question. 0/10 for effort, town or scum.

I say this under the assumption that he's scum. Sorry if you're town and irl is bogging you down Rand. >_>

Shad_ · July 7, 2015

Official Vote Count 13:

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Hally (2/7) Thane, Pralaya

Tayla(1/7) Zander

Rand (5/7) Shad, Tayla, Aj, Hally, Yates

Not Voting (3/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine,

For reference

I'd bet 2 wolves in the oranges based on wagonomics. Wolves tend to bury votes on each other D1, or at least bury their vote on a meaningless or impossible lynch. If I had to choose who to lynch D2 based ONLY on this quote, I'd lynch Rand. He had a meaningless vote on D1, and in what I've read of him in my catchup, I see multiple FoSes and "intent to vote"-type posts, but I see his vote remained on me.....which was useless. Add to that his lynch did not go through. Wolves tend to easily nudge D1 mislynches through, but to have this stall (I don't know yet if there were other reasons for this, btw) makes me think the village might have had a wolf in their sights.

More to come on this theory.

so, Yates will do no explaining, Zander....

All the Town Vig shots are 1X only, if i remember *checks setup*... yes.. ok.

So, after having shot, the town vigs basically are VT...

i'd suggest that the 2 'hero shots', if there were two, or 3... no idea, would not reveal that they have shot. That way, the wolves do not know who still has a Vig shot left (if so). Having said that, i AM curious as too who has shot, but that can wait.

*inhales; exhales*

The long re-read would begin to tie some knots. I honestly feel sorry for Pral, not even having played properly in the game.

no he wont RIP brother!!!

letting the maf team know about ANY shots gone is a bad idea imo.

after this post Thane never being lynched imo.

No lynching again not an option as we need all the info we can gather to gain accurate info.

And we are gonna lynch Talya today!!

Based on my first half of the game catchup, no we are not lynching her today. Once I finish, I'll let you know whether that hold is lifted or not.

I'm feeling good about AJ and Talya right now. Thinking that Rand train was pure. If Rand's town it would have only taken 1 of 3 scum voting him to put him at L-1, and Zander was the only one with a town lean on him iirc, so it's not like scum would have had to contradict themselves to vote him.

Zander? · July 7, 2015

Official Vote Count 13:

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Hally (2/7) Thane, Pralaya

Tayla(1/7) Zander

Rand (5/7) Shad, Tayla, Aj, Hally, Yates

Not Voting (3/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine,

For reference

I'd bet 2 wolves in the oranges based on wagonomics. Wolves tend to bury votes on each other D1, or at least bury their vote on a meaningless or impossible lynch. If I had to choose who to lynch D2 based ONLY on this quote, I'd lynch Rand. He had a meaningless vote on D1, and in what I've read of him in my catchup, I see multiple FoSes and "intent to vote"-type posts, but I see his vote remained on me.....which was useless. Add to that his lynch did not go through. Wolves tend to easily nudge D1 mislynches through, but to have this stall (I don't know yet if there were other reasons for this, btw) makes me think the village might have had a wolf in their sights.

More to come on this theory.

so, Yates will do no explaining, Zander....

All the Town Vig shots are 1X only, if i remember *checks setup*... yes.. ok.

So, after having shot, the town vigs basically are VT...

i'd suggest that the 2 'hero shots', if there were two, or 3... no idea, would not reveal that they have shot. That way, the wolves do not know who still has a Vig shot left (if so). Having said that, i AM curious as too who has shot, but that can wait.

*inhales; exhales*

The long re-read would begin to tie some knots. I honestly feel sorry for Pral, not even having played properly in the game.

no he wont RIP brother!!!

letting the maf team know about ANY shots gone is a bad idea imo.

after this post Thane never being lynched imo.

No lynching again not an option as we need all the info we can gather to gain accurate info.

And we are gonna lynch Talya today!!

Based on my first half of the game catchup, no we are not lynching her today. Once I finish, I'll let you know whether that hold is lifted or not.

Town!Verb type posting thus far.

Bolded: Dear God its Star Wars all over again...this is my hell. another town against lynching wolves!!!! GLGL I WISH PEOPLE WOULD LISTEN TO ME!!!!

Shad_ · July 7, 2015

Zander, if Rand flipped scum, how would that impact your view on Talya?

Talya · July 7, 2015

I wouldn't have put it passed Yates to go for Hally. With Hally VT, not sure who else would have gone for Yates except wolves, but can't see who would have gone for Pral neither. Would wolves have done this as well of Yates?

Pre-rereading everything my gut right now feels the most comfortable with you, AJ, and Talya. (Funny, that.) I've got a lot of homework to do....

I never trust Talya end of D1 when she's town.

I'd like to think I've just gotten better at reading her though.

@ shad, looking at people on line, is something that used to be done a lot, especially when all the actions etc were done via pms before QTs. I have been known to do it.

Talya · July 7, 2015

i get the feeling that we're still missing a few players..... hopefully they will get in before DL

i contemplate voting Yates... he rands wolf way too often, so it'd be an excellent D1 guess imo

Only if he claims Mason (which has already been said - always late to the party)

i get the feeling that we're still missing a few players..... hopefully they will get in before DL

i contemplate voting Yates... he rands wolf way too often, so it'd be an excellent D1 guess imo

According to the CCSOWH if Yates looks towny D1 ignore him if not,,,,,,,,lolololol

Yates actually looking more towny thus far then in SW imo.

Why do you think he is more towny right now. The only person I have is slight lean on AJ, as he started the don't vig n1

yeah, i think the vigs should mainly holster. like i said, it'd be town suicide. And, i think it was yates who said that we need a smaller POE, so we're ore certain to hit wolves. With quite the amount of vigs... it'd make sense.

On the other hand... wolves also have vig shots, next to their regular NK? that'd be a possible massacre for town N1. On the other hand, the pool ofsuspects would be smaller.... ugh... posibillites and choices....

True, I like waiting for a smaller POE before people start vigging. No need to pull a Zander/Notbob, both killed strong townies N1.

1 Wolf 2x vigilante

1 Wolf 1x vigilante

1 Wolf 1x vigilante

Do you think they have an NK on top of the vig shots? If they did, theoretically they could kill 4 people N1 with that.

I think if they had nightkills as well, this could be over pretty quick. to me looks like they just have those 4, but this is a Darthe game, besides, I think that would be a too powerful wolf team.

SHOULD the wolves use their vig shots N1, the pool of suspects would get rather small. So, imo, they have a NK as well. It's going to be interesting how this will play out

imo obv solution LUNCH all wolves!!

so out your team mates now then yes?

1st Bold= Ive played i 3 games with Yates and Ive read him right in all....you played SW right....I think my Yates reads probably good. its early but hes towny to me.

2nd Bold= .......I hope this was a joke cause Im obv town.

See above: Trying to create WINFoM for the town early on

I didn't think enough had been said to decide yet.

It was a joke, but you're not obv town to me, this game is still to early to tell.

also questions by read on Yates by saying not enough to go on when hes certainly not playing the same as in SW but yes giving a town lean on AJ for like one thing., its not a problem with the read its her reasoning.

to respond to this. If you actually checked this in context you would have seen at the timing of the posts, Yate's posts had nearly all been fluff and joke votes. AJ had engaged in the game and with Shad and BFG. I had slight town read later, after he had engaged in the game. You were reading him as town on the fluff?

Shad_ · July 7, 2015

As far as Pral as a scum kill, only thing coming to mind is he was determined to remove Thane from the poe. His death creates wifom on that. But that's a pretty weak reason for scum to kill him considering their other options.

RandA lThor · July 7, 2015

K, so I had started to reread before I posted my sorry message, just realized a bunch of stuff, I'll respond to some of the quotes I had saved during my reread so I don't lose them, but I'm quite far behind, at like page 25, so give me a sec

Rand's catch-up is really weird because it flows like he's responding post-by-post without reading everything first but he seems to have his sights on Laine and Talya straight out the door.

Still, Laine would be a pretty ballsy target for scum to try and set up as an early mislynch. I'd like some input on Rand's typical town and wolf styles.

Few things, first, it was a hasty post-by-post as I was trying to get caught up in the game, and yeah on D1 I tend to tunnel a little bit on my initial reads, just to get the game started. Then I'll start opening it up at the end of D1 and see who the best lynch is.

Secondly, why is Laine a ballsy target? Did I miss something like a claim or something?

Also, I've never played in a game where scum have limited night kills. Is it optimal to lynch someone before EoD?

If the person about to get lynched claims town with a vig shot, do we hold off the hanging, reach a consensus on our second best option, and order them to shoot that person at night? Assuming town isn't going to fake claim a vig it would help clear poe and potentially burn a scum shot.

I don't know that we're going to have two strong candidates in the next 12 hours anyway, but is D1 going to maybe get extended to compensate for all the server outages?

I'd say its optimal for town to lynch as much as possible. The more we no lynch and let the wolves use their shots, the more they'll be able to shoot the obvious townies or PR hunt, and we'll have less mislynches possible until game over for us. Unfortunately, it looks like we didn't lynch anyone, so that's not good, but from now on, I think we should try to secure some lynch by the end of D1. Also, mods tend to be fine with no lynch if none is reached when its hurtful to town (its like a penalty to town for not reaching a decision) which means that we should always try and establish lynches, even for info at the end.

@Rand: I actually used to be AJ before Andrej was AJ so that's probably why it's confusing haha. I understand what you're saying though, I've been getting better at being town read

I just noticed your first post with my responses to the joke votes: you make it seem like I was setting up scum reads on people just for joke voting me? Seems like a strange conclusion, but I may be reading that wrong.

/snip
/snip

That's how I read it. AJ was playing for town in Star Wars and his tunnel vision was a work of art. I think the whole tying Hallia to his scum read of me spews him town.

Btw I'm totally getting vigged tonight if AJ has a shot. :P

How does tying Hallia to you spew him town?

and Lol I'm feeling the same way

Because town AJ is hyper-judgmental. In his head he's already so convinced I'm scum that he's basing his reads on other people around how I interact with them.

It's funny that I say this because I kind of do the same thing. What's up with Thane getting one of Rand's only 3 town reads?

I didn't really have any strong reads, Thane was more of a gut feeling town based off his posts. Plus didn't have that many reads at all on some people, I was just writing out my thoughts.

Heading to bed, Thane and Rand :hopper: to me so far, actually feeling really good about the other active participants. Except Dice, but Dice is Dice. I think I will always scum read him.

Thane Rand and one of our two MIAs for game solve? Saying it now so I can see how totally off I was once I ascend to the DT. :P

Sorry, I missed your reasoning on this, was this because I was inactive or townread Thane or something else? Also curious on why you're assuming that the most active participants are town (or you're townreading them), since scum usually likes to have one active participant in the mix to manipulate opinions to what they need.

48 hours. You're really not aware that you just popped into the thread immediately after night ended?

Nope sorry, checked the OP, didn't see any names crossed out (realized later that he doesn't do that, just puts alignment next to the dead), and assumed it was still D1.

Sorry guys, forgot how much activity this requires, I'll try to step it up, when's deadline?

48 hours. You're really not aware that you just popped into the thread immediately after night ended?

ugg this is a bad bad look.....

Yeah not going to lie, looking pretty bad for me, honestly though, just busy with irl stuff and haven't played in awhile, forgot the activity required. I'll try to step it up.

Official Vote Count 13:

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Hally (2/7) Thane, Pralaya

Tayla(1/7) Zander
Rand (5/7) Shad, Tayla, Aj, Hally, Yates

Not Voting (3/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine,

For reference

I'd bet 2 wolves in the oranges based on wagonomics. Wolves tend to bury votes on each other D1, or at least bury their vote on a meaningless or impossible lynch. If I had to choose who to lynch D2 based ONLY on this quote, I'd lynch Rand. He had a meaningless vote on D1, and in what I've read of him in my catchup, I see multiple FoSes and "intent to vote"-type posts, but I see his vote remained on me.....which was useless. Add to that his lynch did not go through. Wolves tend to easily nudge D1 mislynches through, but to have this stall (I don't know yet if there were other reasons for this, btw) makes me think the village might have had a wolf in their sights.

More to come on this theory.

so, Yates will do no explaining, Zander....

All the Town Vig shots are 1X only, if i remember *checks setup*... yes.. ok.

So, after having shot, the town vigs basically are VT...

i'd suggest that the 2 'hero shots', if there were two, or 3... no idea, would not reveal that they have shot. That way, the wolves do not know who still has a Vig shot left (if so). Having said that, i AM curious as too who has shot, but that can wait.

*inhales; exhales*

The long re-read would begin to tie some knots. I honestly feel sorry for Pral, not even having played properly in the game.

no he wont RIP brother!!!

letting the maf team know about ANY shots gone is a bad idea imo.

after this post Thane never being lynched imo.

No lynching again not an option as we need all the info we can gather to gain accurate info.

And we are gonna lynch Talya today!!

Based on my first half of the game catchup, no we are not lynching her today. Once I finish, I'll let you know whether that hold is lifted or not.

Huh, I'm pretty sure I changed my vote to Alanna/Laine/AJ whatever her nickname is/was (sorry haha, still confused on that btw lol)

Sorry guys, forgot how much activity this requires, I'll try to step it up, when's deadline?

48 hours. You're really not aware that you just popped into the thread immediately after night ended?

ugg this is a bad bad look.....

I'm starting to feel like it's a cheap shot to stalk people's online/offline activity, but I'm getting in the bad habit of doing it this game, and I can't help but point out that Rand's last activity was 12:30. Whether he was pretending or dead serious that he didn't know the phase had just changed, that's some serious disinterest in the game right there. Scrolling back one page or refreshing 1 minute later would have answered his question. 0/10 for effort, town or scum.

I say this under the assumption that he's scum. Sorry if you're town and irl is bogging you down Rand. >_>

Yeah, irl is bogging me down, started my first full time internship, not used to the 40 hour weeks yet, I'll try to devote more time to this.

Zander? · July 7, 2015

Zander, if Rand flipped scum, how would that impact your view on Talya?

none tbh,

Zander? · July 7, 2015

im thinking on keeping Rand on my town lean after his post. really felt honest to me and he makes good points. not clearing him yet or anything but looking good thus far imo.

Shad_ · July 7, 2015

i get the feeling that we're still missing a few players..... hopefully they will get in before DL

i contemplate voting Yates... he rands wolf way too often, so it'd be an excellent D1 guess imo

Only if he claims Mason (which has already been said - always late to the party)

i get the feeling that we're still missing a few players..... hopefully they will get in before DL

i contemplate voting Yates... he rands wolf way too often, so it'd be an excellent D1 guess imo

According to the CCSOWH if Yates looks towny D1 ignore him if not,,,,,,,,lolololol

Yates actually looking more towny thus far then in SW imo.

Why do you think he is more towny right now. The only person I have is slight lean on AJ, as he started the don't vig n1

yeah, i think the vigs should mainly holster. like i said, it'd be town suicide. And, i think it was yates who said that we need a smaller POE, so we're ore certain to hit wolves. With quite the amount of vigs... it'd make sense.

On the other hand... wolves also have vig shots, next to their regular NK? that'd be a possible massacre for town N1. On the other hand, the pool ofsuspects would be smaller.... ugh... posibillites and choices....

True, I like waiting for a smaller POE before people start vigging. No need to pull a Zander/Notbob, both killed strong townies N1.

1 Wolf 2x vigilante

1 Wolf 1x vigilante

1 Wolf 1x vigilante

Do you think they have an NK on top of the vig shots? If they did, theoretically they could kill 4 people N1 with that.

I think if they had nightkills as well, this could be over pretty quick. to me looks like they just have those 4, but this is a Darthe game, besides, I think that would be a too powerful wolf team.

SHOULD the wolves use their vig shots N1, the pool of suspects would get rather small. So, imo, they have a NK as well. It's going to be interesting how this will play out

imo obv solution LUNCH all wolves!!

so out your team mates now then yes?

1st Bold= Ive played i 3 games with Yates and Ive read him right in all....you played SW right....I think my Yates reads probably good. its early but hes towny to me.

2nd Bold= .......I hope this was a joke cause Im obv town.

See above: Trying to create WINFoM for the town early on

I didn't think enough had been said to decide yet.

It was a joke, but you're not obv town to me, this game is still to early to tell.

also questions by read on Yates by saying not enough to go on when hes certainly not playing the same as in SW but yes giving a town lean on AJ for like one thing., its not a problem with the read its her reasoning.

to respond to this. If you actually checked this in context you would have seen at the timing of the posts, Yate's posts had nearly all been fluff and joke votes. AJ had engaged in the game and with Shad and BFG. I had slight town read later, after he had engaged in the game. You were reading him as town on the fluff?

That null on Yates came on page 9 iirc. So yeah, Zander, I think you're going overboard. You might have something real on Talya that I'm not seeing, but you're reaching too far and it makes it look like you're grasping at air. The above quote actually makes Talya look pretty good.

This isn't like SW where everyone was straight up ignoring you. I've read through Talya's posts a couple times now and I'm honestly not seeing it. So you're going to have to show me, and what I just quoted is sort of showing the opposite.

Shad_ · July 7, 2015

48 hours. You're really not aware that you just popped into the thread immediately after night ended?

Nope sorry, checked the OP, didn't see any names crossed out (realized later that he doesn't do that, just puts alignment next to the dead), and assumed it was still D1.

Still reading through but I wanted to comment on this right away because that's a totally legit answer and I feel kind of stupid for even making the point. I noticed Darthe hadn't updated the intro post and didn't think twice about it.

Shad_ · July 7, 2015

Holy mother of broken quotations.

Darthe · July 7, 2015

I just got around to updating the OP with all info. Sorry about the delay, I'm off to a meeting now!

Zander? · July 7, 2015

@ SHad- i can understand your thought process. but just because others dont see things the way i do doesnt make me wrong. im a gut/instincts player and they've served me well. ive noted the things that have pinged me and im going with it. everyone had yates and sili town in SW too and claimed i was rambling on and how did that work out? only other person atp id even consider is BFG, look at 9-5 like my 2nd game and had the whole wolf team pegged including Yates and Cory which like NO ONE else had. How about people try to give me some credit and trust me till im proved wrong!!!

lolololol sorry my rant for the day!!!!

Shad_ · July 7, 2015

"Huh, I'm pretty sure I changed my vote to Alanna/Laine/AJ whatever her nickname is/was (sorry haha, still confused on that btw lol)"

(can't format quote still)

You did actually. You typed [\v] by accident. My brain skipped something there because no red font.

Shad_ · July 7, 2015

Zander, if Talya is scum what are your thoughts on who her team mates might be?

Unrelated but I'm kind of frustrated right now because Hallia and Pral feel like real wastes of N1 vig shots and I doubt they died to scum. -_- Shooting Rand would have been more likely to kill scum given what we knew at the time and the flip would have given us decent leads either way.

alannalynn · July 7, 2015

I'm around kinda Hi Shad

Zander, if Talya is scum what are your thoughts on who her team mates might be?

Unrelated but I'm kind of frustrated right now because Hallia and Pral feel like real wastes of N1 vig shots and I doubt they died to scum. -_- Shooting Rand would have been more likely to kill scum given what we knew at the time and the flip would have given us decent leads either way.

^ Probably Yates that killed Hallia, right? That would make the most sense to me. I can see Yates as a mafia kill. Pral, I have no idea about.

Zander? · July 7, 2015

Zander, if Talya is scum what are your thoughts on who her team mates might be?

Unrelated but I'm kind of frustrated right now because Hallia and Pral feel like real wastes of N1 vig shots and I doubt they died to scum. -_- Shooting Rand would have been more likely to kill scum given what we knew at the time and the flip would have given us decent leads either way.

BFG imo not as strongly as Talya. i was thinking someone from the lower end of the PC but Pral obv town. Rand and verb both looking towny to me. will be looking through for more. but when Talya flips wolf it will clear things up imo.

Shad_ · July 7, 2015

I'm around kinda Hi Shad

Zander, if Talya is scum what are your thoughts on who her team mates might be?

Unrelated but I'm kind of frustrated right now because Hallia and Pral feel like real wastes of N1 vig shots and I doubt they died to scum. -_- Shooting Rand would have been more likely to kill scum given what we knew at the time and the flip would have given us decent leads either way.

^ Probably Yates that killed Hallia, right? That would make the most sense to me. I can see Yates as a mafia kill. Pral, I have no idea about.

Hi Laine! Help! (And reassure me that you're good old town Laine in the process. <_<)

Yates killed Hallia scum killed Yates Pral a mystery imo. His death doesn't make a ton of sense to me from any angle.

Thane Vakarian · July 7, 2015

i don't ever see a townie kill Pral here though... With the little he posted, it doubt it'd have been enough for any townie to decide to off him. Perhaps wolves feared Pral could helpe solve easily? Or they just wanted to confuse us, which is working.

I am however quite ... i dunno... cautious and suspicious here.... Looking at the remaining players, and how strong they are.... killing off AJ, Laine or Verb (even if he didn't participate much yet) would have made more sense imo as wolfkill.

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