Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

[Talya]

 

 

 

difference being shes got a lot more experience then I do and as you know and ive mentioned i dont really understand certain game setups and stuff atp.  like let me put it to you this way....if it was like seph or shad it wouldnt bother me as much.  does that make sense?

I get you. But I don't know that Talya is all that well versed in setups. At the very least, she didn't play for my first full year and a half here. So I think of her as a new player to me which means that the DM mafia meta should be new to her due to a massive evolution. Has she modded before? That might be more compelling.

 

 

I have modded in the past, in the BT, but that was a long time ago, things have changed a lot since I used to play originally on here. Basic games were 3 wolves, doc and cop and advanced games were add a few more roles in, and that was about it unless you played DPRs games, which were just way out there and so confusing beyong belief.

 

 

did you just help build my case on you.....lolololol thank you kindly

 

 

you really are grasping and not reading, the bolded in Yates post. It is why I have a mentor, because I have struggled to get into this new game styling that is being played now :p

[Andrej]

Those statements are very similar in unusual ways.

 

But it's true that I've been more chatty.  Is the fact that I didn't comment on particular events which you both found significant a legitimate town concern?  Or are you thinking I have not commented on enough things in general?

 

Thing is though, in my QT with BFG last game I made a TON of comments that I didn't actually post in the thread.  She's not seeing the same Shad because we don't have a private chat and I'm more cautious with my thoughts in-game, so her concern makes perfect sense to me.  She's spewing a volcano of town imo and if she flips scum I permit you all to laugh at me later.  AJ's feels a little more odd, and it would have seemed really fishy to me had he made it after BFG, but AJ posted first.

 

First bold: It's not that you haven't commented on them alone. You could have talked about other things you'd seen or wanted to discuss - but instead it was your house/fireworks you brought up. I'll need to look back to see.

 

Second bold: What does conclusion does that fact bring you to?

 

Quick response while the wife gets ready:

 

"In other words - were you making the read up from the start?"  --  "I like you because you are trying to pick up the pace."  This was true.  Did I have ulterior motives for actually commenting on you in the first place rather than keeping this thought to myself?  Yes, I wanted to see where it would lead.

 

I have never played with BFG before.  If you find her reaction to me unusually aggressive, hold on to that.  I am totally capable of being wrong about her.  It didn't seem aggressive at all to me but I haven't played an actual game with her before.

 

Again - sounds like bull to me. Maybe that's just me though, I tend to be pretty straight forward as a player and don't personally place a lot of value in stuff like that.

 

ISTJ, etc.

 

I think Yates and i have more scum games together. I can react realtime in the thread at th moment, but i can't re-read seeing it's rush hour at work. 

 

I don't think i am on point for a wolf at all. It's what you make of it. There's 0% chance i am not town here. 

 

I believe you.

 

i'm currently trying to re-read. It takes time at work. i've said so before. Ignore that, if you want.

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

you're grasping., tunneling... whatever... 

 

I'll be back in a few hours (!) when i have managed to reread while AT WORK

 

Like the angry tone here. Thane sounds pissed imo and it reads very genuine to me

[Andrej]

 

 

 

Beer is gross

 

[v]alannalynn[/v]

 

Really Shad? Lol It smells gross, it tastes gross. Give me liquor (and lots of it) and I'll be set

 

First non-town read, immediate knee-jerk reaction to an obvious joke vote, but then tries to kind of appeal to the voter, which again is useless for joke votes.

 

Hahahaha thanks Hallia... Now I have two votes for hating beer and chocolate ice cream.

 

The whole reason for the ice cream is because it's not real chocolate. Chocolate ice cream tastes like a said cold version of real chocolate. 

 

You keep bringing it up... I used to think of this as a good strategy for scum, attract attention to the people piling on joke votes and hope that people think that they're scummy, and then you jump onto their train.  Scummy read #2

 

 

Hey AJ

I feel like I got a little insight to you by watching your QT (totes not a stalker)

Can we form a cluster of town and win this?

(Also, Unvote   - Because it wasn't for anything you've done, you don't seem wolfy to me.)

 

I feel like I'm gonna get a lot of hate from the things I don't like. <3

 

Hally confirmed stalker

 

Town core ftw?

 

Once again, bringing up the votes on her. Not a positive sign.

 

I think you're exaggerating on Laine. I think she took the votes in stride and even joked back with some - I don't see her bringing it up an overwhelming amount like you're suggesting or her complaining about them in a serious manner. The only vote I've seen her take real issue with was Dice and she has explained herself pretty well on it imo.

 

What do you not feel good about AJ?

 

Like I mentioned early on - your comment about the QT Wombat and I had in Star Wars kind of pinged me. Can't really explain it beyond saying that I think with our experience together you should already have an idea for how I tick.

 

Not a fan of the vote on Thane either.

[Andrej]

 

Yates, you know that's not gonna fly - right?

 

Didn't like this post, even if it probably won't work, its worth a shot for autowin right? Why didn't you vote? Were you trying to stall until mafia could think of something to do? Biggest scum read.

 

Lol you're right Shad - debunked.

 

I'm not sure Yates was joking though

 

This supports my whole stalling theory, waiting for someone to debunk it.

 

No? I didn't vote because I didn't like the idea, plain and simple. It's not how the game is played. I didn't even make the connection that it wouldn't work until Shad dutifully reminded us of the wincon. 

 

I really just want more time to figure Thane out, but I think his response to Hallia asking about his reads was a little snippy. I haven't seen anything scummy from Hallia as of yet, are you just placing her there because of your scum lean on Shad and that she supports the Thane lynch with him? Curious.

 

Hallia is actually a lot more solid than I've seen her in the past which is good because what has struck me about her in previous games is the fluffy-ness coming from her. I don't see much fluff right now, which I consider good.

 

Not at all. I have independent reasons for finding them both scummy but voting Thane is also a mark against both - if that make sense?

 

I agree that Hallia does seem more involved this game but I'm not sure what that means. I guess generally you could say it looks better for her compared to fluff but I would rather town read her for making good reads, votes, etc.

 

That's how I read it.  AJ was playing for town in Star Wars and his tunnel vision was a work of art.  I think the whole tying Hallia to his scum read of me spews him town.

 

Btw I'm totally getting vigged tonight if AJ has a shot.  :P

 

Characterizing it as tunnel vision isn't a good look and an easy way for you to be dismissive as a wolf.

 

That's a pretty big leap to make considering it had to come off an assumption. Why would it spew me town?

 

Also, I've never played in a game where scum have limited night kills.  Is it optimal to lynch someone before EoD?

 

If the person about to get lynched claims town with a vig shot, do we hold off the hanging, reach a consensus on our second best option, and order them to shoot that person at night?  Assuming town isn't going to fake claim a vig it would help clear poe and potentially burn a scum shot.

 

I don't know that we're going to have two strong candidates in the next 12 hours anyway, but is D1 going to maybe get extended to compensate for all the server outages?

 

Not everyone is going to agree to that, ftr. But I get the idea - this post is a bit redeeming for you even if it does focus more on mechanics.

 

@AJ talk me through your read on Shad, specifically what caused your vote?

 

I think I explained pretty well earlier. I decided to place my vote when he came back into the thread talking about fireworks without adding onto the current discussion/topic. I'll go back to double check this - but I don't think I'm mistaken. I'm also not really buying his explanation for town reading you when he did and how it revolves around intentionally leaving a mistake in his post to see who went at it.

 

 

[v]Thane Vakarian[/v]

 

Yay!

 

Why Yay!? I thought you had him higher up, I'm not seeing the progression here, please explain.

 

Talya pretty on the ball with this post. I cut out the bit where she is questioning Hallia over using Shad's post but I liked that bit as well.

 

Shad is being very towny.  atp in catch up though like 0% chance he's being lynched today.

 

What have you liked about him for townie? What do you think about his explanation regarding the me/BFG stuff from early on?

 

 

Shad probably a wolf tho.

 

Sheep me or don't. Not likely to change my vote D1

 

AJ Shad not a wolf here imo.  i really feel this way because its reminding me off me.  please remove the vote.  cause i have you as townish this game and if he flips town which is quite likely imo.   i will think that you are not playing in the best interest of our town again....

 

What do you mean by the bold?

 

Underlined is meh. I'm not particularly concerned with how I look - my job as a villager is to find wolves and push for their death, even if the read is contrary to others.

 

 

He sees that Thane has a tendency to do that for the first part.

 

I think the difference here is that Shad thinks he's posting about more topics in this game, whereas in my opinion he is already doing that very thing, with regards to continually mentioning only Verb/Pral until I called him out.

 

Hallia you seem pretty fixated on this comment.  you think he has a teammate there..or just a bad/pointless mention?

 

Not a bad observation. Idk if Hallia answered this one yet but I like the question.

[Zander?]

Zander tunneling

 

Who else besides BFG/Talya?

 

atm im gonna assume its someone at the low end of the posting count according to the CCSOHW.

[Andrej]

I could vote Rand right now.

[Talya]

Still doing a read through. I didn't think much of Rand's posts.

 

He didn't like the way alanna responded to the joke votes, nor the way she keeps bringing them up, I can't really see this. She isn't high on my town list, but this seems stretching

Had Thane as his first town read - I don't see the Thane votes.

Mentions the Yates thing. which he then tinfoils over with Yates and Shad

Has dice down as Town lean

Had AJ and Me as a scum read and votes Alanna. although she answers to a query and feels a little better on her and keeps his vote there

 

Over all there really wasn't much in these posts. It is padded out with fluff A. Football jokes and doesn't seem to follow much else through.

 

Didn't like his posts whatsoever

[Andrej]

Still reading though - just got to where I posted this morning before dozing off. Got another batch of quotes to respond to incoming...

[Talya]

Laya's post - I like the way he has given his readings on people, this felt like a towny post. I don't see what he is seeing on Hally. I have pushed her in the last couple of games about her posting and she has pulled out the stops here and done some posts that I feel are pretty good.

 

@  Laya - apart from thinking that Hally should know how Thane worked what do you think of her posting so far.

 

@ Yates, please answer ref Hally, I don't see it!

[Zander?]

 

Shad is being very towny.  atp in catch up though like 0% chance he's being lynched today.

 

What have you liked about him for townie? What do you think about his explanation regarding the me/BFG stuff from early on?

 

 

Shad probably a wolf tho.

 

Sheep me or don't. Not likely to change my vote D1

 

AJ Shad not a wolf here imo.  i really feel this way because its reminding me off me.  please remove the vote.  cause i have you as townish this game and if he flips town which is quite likely imo.   i will think that you are not playing in the best interest of our town again....

 

 

What do you mean by the bold?

 

Underlined is meh. I'm not particularly concerned with how I look - my job as a villager is to find wolves and push for their death, even if the read is contrary to others.

 

 

He sees that Thane has a tendency to do that for the first part.

 

I think the difference here is that Shad thinks he's posting about more topics in this game, whereas in my opinion he is already doing that very thing, with regards to continually mentioning only Verb/Pral until I called him out.

 

Hallia you seem pretty fixated on this comment.  you think he has a teammate there..or just a bad/pointless mention?

 

 

Not a bad observation. Idk if Hallia answered this one yet but I like the question.

 

 

I mean he reminds me of me.  He's gaining confidence and feeling more comfortable in expressing his views and joking around.  I don't see much if any difference from SW,  He's expressing his views regardless of how others view him, 

 

The bolded oes make me think better of you.  I just think your wrong about Shad.

[Shad_]

Okay I'll trust you.

 

What do you think on Rand? I think you posted how you were suspicious of his intro posts and I haven't seen him since.

 

A couple things from his catch-up, reading in reverse order:

 

* He says Laine is trying to turn Dice's joke vote against him and set him up as scum.

--This is pretty ridiculous.  Your response to the joke vote was "Dice how is that helping at all? Do you have actual points to make?" and Dice is the one who started tunneling you, not vice-versa.

 

* He doesn't like AJ for explaining his own scum game to people.

--But AJ never did this.  He just explained the atypical set-up of Middle Earth and its implications.  And he was right, by the way.  I ran into the exact problem AJ is describing when I tried to use Middle Earth to study him in Star Wars.

 

* He doesn't like AJ for doubting Darthe would go "derp, gg town" if everyone voted no lynch.  He asks "Why didn't you vote? Were you trying to stall until mafia could think of something to do? Biggest scum read."  Yet he likes me for researching the rules.  Aren't AJ and I doing pretty much the same thing here?  But I get town cred for it and he's scummy.

 

* He thinks Talya is "fence sitting" on page 9 because she doesn't have a strong read of Yates yet.  Has he ever played with Yates before?

 

* Rand scum reads Laine almost immediately, on the grounds that :???:  I guess he doesn't like that she's joking around with people who joke voted her?  I don't get it.  It's like he thinks the people who joke voted her are total strangers to her, and she's shady for returning the serve.  But if I joke voted a stranger, shouldn't I be the one who looks a bit suspicious?

 

 

 

Thanks for asking me to look into him again Laine!  Kind of reiterated what I was feeling last night and made it more glaringly obvious.

[v]Rand[/v]

Too wolf to be a wolf maybe, but it feels like he drew three town names out of a hat and just went to work trying to dig up whatever dirt he could on them with little regard for anyone else.  Still feeling Thane as scum, but that's more for what he hasn't done yet.  Rand's catch-up is pretty terrible.

[dicetosser1]

gonna be gone today  daughters having her wisdom teeth out

[Andrej]

FYI=

 

Were not lynching

 

Yates

Alanna

Shad

Rand

 

AJ

 

Considering

 

Thane

Talya

BFG

 

gonna go back and look over the last 2!!!

 

Probably 0/3 my man, sorry to tell you.

 

Talya, I'm going to be really sad if you're mafia!

 

I doubt she is, fwiw. I have really liked the posts I am coming across as I read through. But on the topic... I'll be sad if you are :(

 

Zander I disagree pretty much entirely with your wtl list, I feel like that's a problem

 

lol'd

 

Talya, have you never made statements for the purpose of gauging how people react to them?  Seriously, what more do you want here?  I have repeatedly explained my reasoning because I have been asked to repeatedly explain it.  I asked a question predicting that a good town reply would look like x, and BFG gave me x, so I am reading her town.  HOW DOES THIS IMPLY THAT ANYONE WHO RESPONDS TO MY POST WILL THEREBY FULLY REVEAL THEIR ALIGNMENT?  I mean, yeah, I'm awesome like that, but we all have limits.

 

My problem is that I don't agree with "X" being necessarily a town-only reaction, so the read doesn't make sense from my perspective and again I can't tell if you're for real or just blowing smoke with this intentional reaction test angle.

 

 

Editor randomly stopped letting me shorten multiquotes yesterday, so enjoy some spoiler tags.

 

Talya, have you never made statements for the purpose of gauging how people react to them?  Seriously, what more do you want here?  I have repeatedly explained my reasoning because I have been asked to repeatedly explain it.  I asked a question predicting that a good town reply would look like x, and BFG gave me x, so I am reading her town.  HOW DOES THIS IMPLY THAT ANYONE WHO RESPONDS TO MY POST WILL THEREBY FULLY REVEAL THEIR ALIGNMENT?  I mean, yeah, I'm awesome like that, but we all have limits.

 

Pure towny greatness!!!!!  anyone not seeing this needs to give their head a shake imo.

 

Really?

 

 

Shad who you thinking besides Thane?

 

Im not fully sold on him yet as I want to see how he responds.

 

I kind of felt like Rand was doing a first read yet already had Laine and Talya in his sights, and his town read of Thane seemed to boil down to Laine questioning him plus this post:

 

yeah, i think the vigs should mainly holster. like i said, it'd be town suicide. And, i think it was yates who said that we need a smaller POE, so we're ore certain to hit wolves. With quite the amount of vigs... it'd make sense.

 

On the other hand... wolves also have vig shots, next to their regular NK? that'd be a possible massacre for town N1. On the other hand, the pool ofsuspects would be smaller.... ugh... posibillites and choices.... 

 

Long quotes are being buggy for me right now so you'll have to hop back to his catch-up posts on p24 for more.

 

Not a great start for Rand imo.  Will look a lot worse if Thane flips scum, but he's got plenty of room to recover.  I'll take another look at Talya and maybe try to dig up a game where she was scum, but she didn't strike me as out of character for her town game on a quick read.  I would lynch Thane if we had to lynch somebody right now, but we don't have to lynch somebody because scum have limited NKs.  Thoughts on not lynching D1 if nothing else surfaces?

 

Okay - I'm actually starting to like some of your posts now. I agree with Rand, I think he exaggerated a lot with that Laine read and Talya looks pretty townie for me as well. Also don't hate the idea of not lynching today in the sense of avoiding villager death but I really don't like the idea of relying on wolf NKs for information.

[Andrej]

zander

 

 

The ONLY game you've seen me be aggressive/assertive in I was town, games you've seen me be passive in I've been mafia. For YOU to push that me being aggressive is a mafia tell is bull. AJ has seen me as passive town, so it's a marginally better, if outdated, push from him.

 

Carry on as you want 

 

Wasn't really a push, just an observation.

 

I think I should check these games out?

 

got no problems here with your thought process but I wanna give Thane some time to respond.  I feel kinda null to slight wolf lean BUT he's more active this game and people jumped on his verb laya comment for kinda meh reasons.  but i HATED his reaction vote.  not sure Scum!Thane drops that bad a reaction vote imo. wanna give him a chance before lunch time,

 

I like this post Zander.

 

 

got no problems here with your thought process but I wanna give Thane some time to respond. I feel kinda null to slight wolf lean BUT he's more active this game and people jumped on his verb laya comment for kinda meh reasons. but i HATED his reaction vote. not sure Scum!Thane drops that bad a reaction vote imo. wanna give him a chance before lunch time,

Don't disagree with this

 

 

Ditto.

 

That thought crossed my mind too after I dropped my reaction reaction vote.  In SW when people started voting him he was kind of "meh, whatever".  I could see an omgus vote leaning either way though.  Suspicious because Hallia's voting him or frustrated because he basically got outed as scum D1 two games in a row?  Really hoping town!Thane is the sort to show up and defend himself, because wolf!Thane just kind of fizzled out when the pressure came.

 

Thane seemed pretty genuine with his vote imo - the reasoning might be hard to shake out but essentially he's saying that Hallia should know his play style better and for her to be sussing him is suspicious. Pretty much OMGUS but yeah, I think he's legit.

 

 

? Last game your reads were good. Doesn't mean I'm not going to have my reads.

 

You still haven't explained my 'expect' question

 

i have no problems with you giving your reads BFG its the fact you said mine were wrong and that that was a problem then said that my reads are better.  thats just plain weird imo.  Your upset that Im thinking you may be a wolf.  that can be deer caught in the headlights of my Town Car or frustrated Townie,  Ill figure it out for sure soon enough.

 

Not sure what you mean by "expect" question can you please elaborate or show me??!!

 

Think you're investing a bit much here, fwiw. Seems like a simple misunderstanding.

 

BFG is in my townie group

[Talya]

Read at present:

 

 

AJ - I have had a good feeling about his posts, I don't see the tunneling that some do, I saw that in the SW game on Seph and this seems more logical and thought out.

Hally - not voting her today, I have really like her posts and thought processes.

BFG - Her questioning and opening part of the game seem sound to me.

 

Dice - I did get a town read on his initial posts to Alanna, I would like to hear more from him

Thane - he had a couple of posts I didn't like towards the end, with his OMGUS vote, but overall, I have a town feel on him.

Shad - I like his posts first of all, I went back and reread, I think I looked too deeply into what he was saying and got a little wrapped up in it. not as high as first, but still on the towny side

Laya - I have like the first few posts he has done, not agreeing with his vote on Hally, positive feel atm

Yates - I have liked posts so far, his thing he did, I don't see what the point of that was if he was wolf, in another game where another team maybe, but can't see what information he would get out of it as a wolf. The only way would be if he was trying clear team mates, I know I'm town, so I'm not seeing this. Still hasn't answer my question on Hally thought. slight town read.

Alanna - I'm not getting a town read on her, however not getting a strong wolf read. There have been a couple of things that I have noticed mainly to do with Thane, and this brings her down to a null

Zander - He grates at me, and I'm not sure where this makes me want to put him. He did this in the last game, and is doing it here, not sure if that means he is town here. There doesn't seem to be any progression in his reads and seems to push others for what they think and then jumps on that.

Rand - Really didn't like his first few posts, there was more fluff in them than needed, and quite a bit has happened so missed a lot, seemed to pick on some inane things to point someone Alanna as scum, although I don't like her stuff with Thane, his did seem reaching. Quite happily vote here

Verb - Verbal, Verbal, where for art thou Verbal -send out a search party

 

the list sort of goes down from Town to mafia, (Apart from Verb), some in the middle can easily go up or down though

[Andrej]

I mean he reminds me of me.  He's gaining confidence and feeling more comfortable in expressing his views and joking around.  I don't see much if any difference from SW,  He's expressing his views regardless of how others view him, 

 

The bolded oes make me think better of you.  I just think your wrong about Shad.

 

I'm starting to come around on him. I'm beginning to see more sound Star Wars-esque type posts as I'm reading through the last ~10 pages. Also like his case on Rand - I noticed a lot of the same stuff as I'm reading up so if we're myndmelding that's probably a good sign.

[Talya]

It's getting late already, and I haven't moved from here for hours

 

[v]Rand[/v] as per above

[Zander?]

 

FYI=

 

Were not lynching

 

Yates

Alanna

Shad

Rand

 

AJ

 

Considering

 

Thane

Talya

BFG

 

gonna go back and look over the last 2!!!

 

Probably 0/3 my man, sorry to tell you.

 

Talya, I'm going to be really sad if you're mafia!

 

I doubt she is, fwiw. I have really liked the posts I am coming across as I read through. But on the topic... I'll be sad if you are :(

 

Zander I disagree pretty much entirely with your wtl list, I feel like that's a problem

 

lol'd

 

Talya, have you never made statements for the purpose of gauging how people react to them?  Seriously, what more do you want here?  I have repeatedly explained my reasoning because I have been asked to repeatedly explain it.  I asked a question predicting that a good town reply would look like x, and BFG gave me x, so I am reading her town.  HOW DOES THIS IMPLY THAT ANYONE WHO RESPONDS TO MY POST WILL THEREBY FULLY REVEAL THEIR ALIGNMENT?  I mean, yeah, I'm awesome like that, but we all have limits.

 

My problem is that I don't agree with "X" being necessarily a town-only reaction, so the read doesn't make sense from my perspective and again I can't tell if you're for real or just blowing smoke with this intentional reaction test angle.

 

 

Editor randomly stopped letting me shorten multiquotes yesterday, so enjoy some spoiler tags.

 

Talya, have you never made statements for the purpose of gauging how people react to them?  Seriously, what more do you want here?  I have repeatedly explained my reasoning because I have been asked to repeatedly explain it.  I asked a question predicting that a good town reply would look like x, and BFG gave me x, so I am reading her town.  HOW DOES THIS IMPLY THAT ANYONE WHO RESPONDS TO MY POST WILL THEREBY FULLY REVEAL THEIR ALIGNMENT?  I mean, yeah, I'm awesome like that, but we all have limits.

 

Pure towny greatness!!!!!  anyone not seeing this needs to give their head a shake imo.

 

 

Really?

 

 

Shad who you thinking besides Thane?

 

Im not fully sold on him yet as I want to see how he responds.

 

I kind of felt like Rand was doing a first read yet already had Laine and Talya in his sights, and his town read of Thane seemed to boil down to Laine questioning him plus this post:

 

yeah, i think the vigs should mainly holster. like i said, it'd be town suicide. And, i think it was yates who said that we need a smaller POE, so we're ore certain to hit wolves. With quite the amount of vigs... it'd make sense.

 

On the other hand... wolves also have vig shots, next to their regular NK? that'd be a possible massacre for town N1. On the other hand, the pool ofsuspects would be smaller.... ugh... posibillites and choices....

 

Long quotes are being buggy for me right now so you'll have to hop back to his catch-up posts on p24 for more.

 

Not a great start for Rand imo.  Will look a lot worse if Thane flips scum, but he's got plenty of room to recover.  I'll take another look at Talya and maybe try to dig up a game where she was scum, but she didn't strike me as out of character for her town game on a quick read.  I would lynch Thane if we had to lynch somebody right now, but we don't have to lynch somebody because scum have limited NKs.  Thoughts on not lynching D1 if nothing else surfaces?

 

 

Okay - I'm actually starting to like some of your posts now. I agree with Rand, I think he exaggerated a lot with that Laine read and Talya looks pretty townie for me as well. Also don't hate the idea of not lynching today in the sense of avoiding villager death but I really don't like the idea of relying on wolf NKs for information.

 

1st Bold- We'll compare batting avg's at the end of the game brother...but pretty sure over the last 2 im batting much higher....or wait can it get higher then 1.000...im not sure the maths are pretty hard. Also not feeling Thane as scum really just was more PoE.  willing to bet theres at least one wolf in the other 2 though.

 

2nd Bold-  Yeah hes confident and I liked his point in the entire quote

[Pralaya]

 

I like this post.

 

i think we're only disagreeing on Thane in so far as I don't feel like he's done anything but pick a few benign points to repeat at this point.  I asked him last night where he stood and it went down reminiscent of Star Wars to me.  But in that game scum!Thane was not at all defensive.  Really really hoping Thane steps things up soon if he's town.  (*poke poke*)

 

Hard for me to hold Laine accountable for seeing something similar to me, and we were both town in that game.  Only thing that has bugged me about Laine is this business of feeling bad about lynching Thane last game, and I still need to check and see if that jives.  She seems to be playing in her usual town mode to me, but I always feel like she might be tricky enough to maintain this as scum.  I'm not going to be like "You played exactly this way as town twice, so surely you're doing it as scum this time!" though.  That's stupid.  I'd need a lot of meta to grow sincerely suspicious of her.

 

Only time I played with Hallia she was town but she kind of lurked along and nearly got mislynched for it.  This business of wanting to town-tell more in this game makes sense.  Her reads were kind of hit or miss in that game.

 

Zander is uber-town imo.  I usually have a hard time reading Talya because our thoughts never seem to jive, but she hasn't behaved in a way that strikes me as different from the two times I played with her as town.

 

 

The main problem I have with Alanna is the way she is constantly FoSing Thane, yet proclaiming him null and unable to read him completely. On the other hand, she does not show this hesitance for other people. I found that flip-flopping a bit inorganic.

 

For example, This is where she starts saying Thane pings a little and feels sad to vote him after SW game. The one more post FoSing Thane and not liking his post. More "light FOS" here

 

Then, the next day, she has him on null and wants to "read him better". I found this a bit weird especially after her posts FoSing him a couple of times. Agreed she said that she found some of Thane's posts good .. but I don't know what she is referring to.

 

And then, suddenly he is scummish because of his responses to Hallia. This is the bit that is jarring to me.

[Zander?]

It's getting late already, and I haven't moved from here for hours

 

[v]Rand[/v] as per above

 

im gonna look back to see but have you mentioned Rand at all before that reads list....seems like an pretty sketchy jump if not.

[Zander?]

 

I mean he reminds me of me.  He's gaining confidence and feeling more comfortable in expressing his views and joking around.  I don't see much if any difference from SW,  He's expressing his views regardless of how others view him, 

 

The bolded oes make me think better of you.  I just think your wrong about Shad.

 

I'm starting to come around on him. I'm beginning to see more sound Star Wars-esque type posts as I'm reading through the last ~10 pages. Also like his case on Rand - I noticed a lot of the same stuff as I'm reading up so if we're myndmelding that's probably a good sign.

 

 

+1

[Pralaya]

ANNOUNCEMENT:

 

Lol you guys would so completely miss DL if it was gonna happen at the right time.  However, (and this is my fault, I meant to tell you last night but fell asleep) because DM has been out so excessively I am extending deadline by 10.75 hours.  Midnight EST this thread will switch to night.  

 

This is a hammer game, should no lynch be achieved nobody will die and it will go to night phase.  You have 10 hours and 47 minutes.

Yeah, I am also not going to be at this time. If, by an unlikely chance, I am awake at 8 AM tomorrow morning, I will peek into this thread and see.

[Talya]

@ Zander, yes it was further up when I was doing a reread

[alannalynn]

I fell asleep.

 

@Shad, I like your points on Rand, I may be willing to go there today

 

@Pral, It sucks because I really am flip flopping on him? Some of his posts are okay, then others have me wanting to read him as scum (such as his reaction vote on Hallia and strange actions around Dice), so it's kinda back and forth for me, especially with the input from others who are town reading him. I posted some of my progression on Thane in my WoT directed at BFG (re:Dice) probably 10(?) pages back.

 

I don't have much longer to be online, I need to be getting ready for work right now

[alannalynn]

@Pral: Here's the post I was talking about. I didn't go into a lot of detail, but I guess this would be a continuation after that last post you linked and before my reads list that you had an issue with

 

@Laine talk me through your read on Dice, specifically what makes this game similar to Mass Effect and as a side how much was Dice talked about before he was kicked into POE? I've just ISO'd Dice in that game and his tone/conviction is miles apart from this game and Star Wars.

 

I spoiler'd this because I have a lot of quotes and I'm sorry if nothing comes out coherent I was just about to go to bed and saw your post.
 
When he first jumped on and voted me, I was annoyed, because it was literally a joke vote 18 pages into the game that was being dropped on me, so I reacted and he called me scum. I guess I'm not really reading the same tone that he is from my post and that's why he was calling me mafia.
 
These are the posts of/about Dice from the point of his jumping on my reaction to now, I don't think I missed anything.
 

Dice to me is acting like Dice in the SW game.

 

/snip
About Dice, he was like that in the SW game, he seems to grasp something and go for the juglar, doesn't mean he is always right, but I haven't seen him do it when he was wolf.

At this point I wanted to check it out, because he was mafia in Mass Effect and there was that big deal with Mawt/Ley D1. I actually saw the same type of tone used there and in Star Wars with Durin, so this led me to believe it wasn't really alignment indicative.
 

 

 

yates test seemed jokey in nature yet he is calling poeple town off it.

How confident are you that I'm not just spinning my own derp theory into a "test?" I mean, you know I've been daddy day care all week and you know what sleep deprivation does to an addled brain. I guess I don't see what made it seem "jokey" outside of the fact that someone else later characterized it as possibly a joke?

I don't know, brother. I find myself siding with Lainey in her assessment of your play thus far...

 
are you thinking this is Scum!Dice or Town!Dice?  im really just seeing his SW game here on the wrong read like he was with Durin,  thoughts?

 

 

I remember those days, thank god they are over.

I'm not in a rush to hurry it along...

are you thinking this is Scum!Dice or Town!Dice?  im really just seeing his SW game here on the wrong read like he was with Durin,  thoughts?

I'll let you know. I'm not struck with immediate warm and fuzzies, though.

 

 

 

 

<3 Shad
 

I'm so down
 
LEAVE ALANNA ALONEEEEEE

Thank youuuuu
 

 

 

@Laine - Disappoint because you're bashing on my favorite beverage

Maybe a little bashing. I also don't like chocolate ice cream, tomatoes, oranges (they make my skin break out), cherries, watermelon, and an assortment of other random things including people and going outside.

 

This plus bacon and anything smoked or grilled and you have listed my favorite things. Die, scum.

 

I LOVE BACON
 
Mostly the things I don't like are because of consistency or acidity. Thinks like oranges and tomatoes literally give me rashes. Anything too seedy also makes me squirmish

 

obviously crawling for town cred
 
unvote vote LAine

 

lets look at this.  Have I been here?  No. Is that my first post on return? YES. Could it have been a joke while i was catching up? YES.
 
Did you react badly? YES.

I didn't realize the first time I read Dice's vote that he had highlighted "I LOVE BACON".  So it probably was a joke, but what an odd post to pick out of 16 pages of content.  Now he's tunneling Laine and that's pretty much exactly what he did with Durin in SW.  Meh, I'm not going to get into a habit of accepting Dice as town every time he goes off on a single track and rides it all D1.

 

 

 

yates test seemed jokey in nature yet he is calling poeple town off it.

How confident are you that I'm not just spinning my own derp theory into a "test?" I mean, you know I've been daddy day care all week and you know what sleep deprivation does to an addled brain. I guess I don't see what made it seem "jokey" outside of the fact that someone else later characterized it as possibly a joke?

I don't know, brother. I find myself siding with Lainey in her assessment of your play thus far...

 
what made it jokey to ME was that while yes its true I dont think its something you would seriously do.,
 
red   you obviously need more sleep bro. Want me to babysit?

 
Hally's Post (too big to quote)
 
At this point, I'm looking at those I'm town reading (Yates, Zander, Shad) seeing a poor reaction in Dice, and Thane (who I'm scum reading) failing to add any thing to the situation and not answering when I asked him thoughts on Dice (read re:Thane below). In the end, it's partially omgus, that his digging in isn't alignment indicative, that he's being read differently by those I'm reading town/scum, and PoE that's putting him in my "scummish" pile.
 
re: Thane

What I find weird about Thane is that he was present for the thing between me and Dice but was very strange about it; by the time I ask about his thoughts, he's already omgus-voting Hally and dropping out (he was at work) but I haven't seen him respond yet.

goodmorning all *has coffee and distributes where necessary*
 
Alanna: i tend to ping all the time, it has gotten me mislynched quite a few times. But it's how i play. If someone townreads me D1, that player is suspicious to me.
 
BFG: Happy to see you! Very nice entrance. I noticed you saw me mentioning Verb and Pral and me not wanting to lynch them. I don't, they need to play first. As far as lynching goes: the prime suspect would give most information, and personally i don't feel like there's a lot of diffirence between lynching a likely wolf and an infolynch. After all: you lynch suspects to get to a wolf, all the time.
 
Dice: wow, didn't think you would be in. and some post it is.... interesting.

 

no harm done
 
dice feels ... snipy/agressive ? Not sure what to make of that.

 

Dice feels hungover and tired Thane. Dice was joking and Alanna bit him Thane.  So Dice got annoyed and more sure he may have found scum Thane

 

interesting. I mentioned it because it's quite unusual for you to do things like that (in my opinion). We'll see where this will lead *nods* not bad, dice, not bad.

^Not sure if this is agreeing with Dice or calling him out for his actions?
 

 

perhaps we should imply a no alcohol policy?

 
You are hereby stricken from the rolls of the Band of the Red Hand.

 

At this point he's just joking around with Dice and avoiding the situation with Dice calling me mafia.
 
Below I'm asking him about his thoughts on the Dice/me interaction (this would be after reading back at the Mass Effect game)

I'm unsure what you're saying here, Hally, can you explain better? I read this post from Shad in a more positive manner for Thane, as in he's exceeding expectations after his scum game in SW, yet you're saying that Thane is being scummy from this same post.
 
Also, to Thane on the Dice/me situation: thoughts? You were there when it happened, I just want your thoughts on us from the encounter.

 

i'm currently trying to re-read. It takes time at work. i've said so before. Ignore that, if you want.
 
[v]Hallia[/v]
 
you're grasping., tunneling... whatever... 
 
I'll be back in a few hours (!) when i have managed to reread while AT WORK

 

I'm still wanting to know his thoughts on Dice at this point, but this is what got me to putting Dice and Thane in my scummish pile for right now.

Sorry my post is ridiculously long by the time you open the spoilers... I just wanted to get my thoughts out there so you see where I'm coming from