[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

Sili Quirrels · June 19, 2015

Sili I feel I'll never know what to do with

literally feels like a copy and paste.

Hallia · June 19, 2015

Alright guys and girls, be good and I'll see you all tomorrow!

Aiel Heart · June 19, 2015

*Sigh* sili, seriously, how many games will it take for this to get through your head? I'm not finding it hard to post because I'm "nervous" and I think it's better that now I'm not trying to read and post when my thinking is impaired. Everyone voting me--your attention is not improving the game or my activity. I'll be back in the morning and I will be much more active here on out. Go find scum.

And I dozed off in my chair typing that. Gong to bed now.

Sili Quirrels · June 19, 2015

*Sigh* sili, seriously, how many games will it take for this to get through your head? I'm not finding it hard to post because I'm "nervous" and I think it's better that now I'm not trying to read and post when my thinking is impaired. Everyone voting me--your attention is not improving the game or my activity. I'll be back in the morning and I will be much more active here on out. Go find scum.

And I dozed off in my chair typing that. Gong to bed now.

last game i voted u not cause activity but because you were in a shell.

right now i'm voting you because your first post and subsequent posts and inactivity for 2 DAYS is really really really bad.

鲍勃不是我的名字 · June 19, 2015

Because I was arguing to aj about the situation. The vote was simply because dice voted durin

Why are you protecting Durin?

He was my peek, and besides that I think they are town. There are some posts that make me wary but I think I few flips will confirm or ease those suspicions.

The seer cover was to get reactions from people. I am fine for taking heat on everything early on, but as you can see people are talking about these actions s on page 40 still.

I may or may not be the cop, if I was providing slank cover seems like the way to go, as no one thinks I could be that role.

Durin has been playing very beneficial to the town, getting conversation going attempting to help clear villagers, something that would hurt mafia. Durin should not be the lynch day one in my opinion.

Hydras are hard because, well take durin, I think Turin is playing more scummy still latching on to the aj and me back and fourth about last game. And darthe has played a solid game regardless of alignment.

If I think someone is town, and for good reason, why should I not defend them?

Why introduce the wifom?

Do you always vote players who vote your peek? Defending their actions as town is one thing but voting a player with a different opinion is another. So the only reason you voted Dice was because he voted your peek?

NotBob, what WIFOM are you talking about?

Strange, when did you start answering questions for another?

鲍勃不是我的名字 · June 19, 2015

u know i am sometimes worried ur giving too many ppl a pass darthe. it's y u aren't a town read. =/

I think I have 4-6 firm town reads. I have a lot of people I specifically don't want to see lynched today though, but I know what I'm about in general.

This dog does not hunt.

Turin Turambar · June 19, 2015

I didn't answer for him. I asked you a question. Answer please.

dicetosser1 · June 19, 2015

prob it sili

Dice u so salty

Relax man.. Not only are you getting worked up over this but you didn't even have a good argument to work off of in the first place, you've just kind of spiraled out of reason because your argument got treated as stupid as it frankly was.

Go tell Tommy how stupid it is.

鲍勃不是我的名字 · June 19, 2015

I didn't answer for him. I asked you a question. Answer please.

Yes, you did...if you noticed he has posted many times...but as of yet has never answered this question directly.

Shad_ · June 19, 2015

o, i think we can assume salami is telling the truth and there are 4 scum, not 5.

Sili, what made you think 4? Leelou asked about ratio of town to scum but I didn't understand how you came about your answer.

dicetosser1 · June 19, 2015

You are still over the top Dice. Go find a couple mafia? Already working on that? What are you working on? You yourself admit that it is a pretty low percentage play you are going for right now. You have already made the point about your opinion. Now YOU get to work looking for actual mafia, cause Durin be town.

Darthe basically said that his "range" is all inclusive. Therefore you have to look at the actions themselves and not rely on meta. That is all.

It was your ACTION that got me voting you. YOU posted a Wolf peek on Darthe. so thank you for agreeing that I did the right thing.

I still don't get Dice's push on Durin over the N0 Peek (which was the second post of the game). Dice - What did you think of the AJ/Seph spat, what are your current reads on people? I get the same feeling over this as the AJ push on Seph. But I have seen the last couple of games start with this and the person who gets lynched is town and the person pushing is also town. So I want to step back and look at that better.

I think Sephs play is legitimately wolfy. I think AJ DOES have a grudge but that that Sephs play is something AJ would jump on. Thing is he would jump on it as either alignment i just dont think he'd be quite so full on about it as a mafia. He doesn't seem worried that it could go all wrong and seph turns out to be the cop or something, making AJ look bad.

Reads

Town

Csarmi

Zander

Shad

leaning town

Yates like his tone. Would like to see him really dig in.

AJ this is light lean . see what i posted above but i think he's more likely to go seph that way as town

Notbob this one surprises me. he hasnt said much but i like what he has said.

havent formed an opinion on yet

anyone not named.

mafia leans/uncertain of

Leelou. she seems very concerned that im tunneling. she has commented on it a couple of times. Not sure what to make of her. She would be at the bottom of null i guess

mafia

darthe

seph

Dice fooled me pretty bad in Mass Effect, so what I thought I knew about him and his way of playing is out the window for me. Him tunneling like this is his town game?

Depends on how you want to word it. i prefer attacking and not letting go myself but if you wanna say tunnel go ahead.

Zander...this one:

Quick Question: Tinfoiling!...I thought this meant ideas that are a bit out there...x-files type thing, and conspiracies. People seem to be using it in other places, does it have another meaning I'm missing?

someone else can better explain it but its like overthinking, reaching for something, over-reacting, stretching to make a case or get a read from something that may or may not even be there.

Talya to me its like that little voice in your ear saying "she looks innocent but what if...." its a reference to those nuts you see on tV with all the aluminium foil. its a nagging thing that stops me from totally believing something

Yes it was my joke that you decided MIGHT POSSIBLY IN 1 of 100,000( or maybe a few more percentage points, IDK you didn't really say definitively) times be serious that led you to drop a vote an hold onto it all day. Read Shad's definition of tinfoil. That is what you have done.

Could you point out the things that YOU noticed that show Seph to be "wolfy". I have heard you say it at least twice but there wasn't anything to show what you found so bad that I remember. Reasoning for as many of your reads as you can give would be helpful too.

Home for the day. If I don't melt or spontaneously combust I will be about for a while.

already answered this. and notbob quoted or paraphased it too i think. Seph dropped his vote on me but asked AJ about his read of me.

Then there is his general play all day.

Lol yeah that's seriously been his game thus far. It's dishearteningly thick.

@Shad this isn't his town or wolf game generally. If he had done it to a newbie or someone else he would undoubtedly be one of the lynch candidates today. Maybe it's my ego talking but I sincerely get the impression that Dice is being townread because it's brazen of him to try and tackle the Durin hydra like that right out of the gate and stick with it.

you made me laugh you have NO idea how to read me do you? lol

You bypassed giving a percentage chance you believe I would make that claim as mafia. I will ask you for that now.
This is really really dumb. The fact he's voting you for it means it's 51% or better. What's the point in pushing Dice on quantifying something that is, by his own admission, based on speculation? The more you guys do this stuff the more I think he might be on to something.

Above is the beginning of the conversation. Yates states clearly that the fact he is voting me means it is =>51%. Dice actually stated it as "pretty low". The reason to ask is that the suspicion needs to add up to a reasonable percentage in order for it to be a proper push. Let's say that Dice believes I did this at 10%. That would mean that I am 10% to be a wolf. Rand is about 25% so it still is <rand that my slot is mafia. For him to push at me(and Darthe) in this situation is silly. You could just as well say that someone would be mafia for posting a smiley.

Where if he believes it at something like 50%, then it would be worth pushing. He didn't say coin flip or anything else to imply that he felt it was that likely. Therefore he is just blowing hot air and waving his arms around talking tough.

Dice admitted that the percentage for me making that post as wolf was "pretty low". To me that is not =>51% as you stated.
Now who's not reading the thread? What, in your opinion, was the point I was making when I questioned your rationale for quantifying that read? Because I'd still like for you to address that...

I gave my answer to what I am guessing you were asking about in the first post. The question in the second post does not equal the question in the first post. I frankly don't know what you are on about so if you could explain it again using small words it might help.

My best guess is that you were trying to make me look bad because I asked him to quantify his level of belief (or his thought of likelihood).

Bottom line is I asked in order to gauge whether he had sufficient believe to justify his actions of voting and making a big stink and posturing in an OTT manner that parodies his town meta. The same meta he claims to not be able to properly emulate as mafia.

I dont think I expressed myself when i answered this. I think its a low percentage play. For town.Take a look at the trouble lynching you is. High percentage play for mafia. Because most people will sit there and go "theyd never do that!"

MY percentage on it? Ive seen it 3 times now. I jumped on the other two straight away as well. 1 was correct. 1 was not. So im batting 500 so far.

Turin Turambar · June 19, 2015

Peeked Darthe N0.

Result:

vote Durin

Villager.

[v] dice [/v] why do you think that aj?

This is his vote. I read his post as two separate things that aren't properly separated by either punctuation or by space (which is fairly common for Seph unfortunately)

If they were on separate lines would it look differently to you? Would it make more sense? I'm wondering if he posted inbetween your vote and AJ's comment. I'll have to check I guess.

seph · June 19, 2015

I didn't answer for him. I asked you a question. Answer please.

Yes, you did...if you noticed he has posted many times...but as of yet has never answered this question directly.

Pretty sure I answered it. And quoted it when I did. It was shortly after you posted

Turin Turambar · June 19, 2015

The answer to the above question was that Seph had not posted between Dice dropping his vote on Seph's claimed N0 peek and AJ calling Dice a villager for that vote. ( I am assuming it was for the manner in which he voted and not the vote itself. AJ?)

seph · June 19, 2015

Yea it was two seperate things turin

Shad_ · June 19, 2015

Durin and Dice wolf duo attempting to appear townie by staging a huge argument over mindless drivel

Sili Quirrels · June 19, 2015

o, i think we can assume salami is telling the truth and there are 4 scum, not 5.

Sili, what made you think 4? Leelou asked about ratio of town to scum but I didn't understand how you came about your answer.

To be exact my intuition is there is an independent in addition to 4 wolves.

The standard ratio is 12:4, with 4 mislynches. This game there are 18 players so maybe the ratio is 14:4, with 5 mislynches, but if there is a Hated then we get the standard 4. If in addition to a Hated there are 5 wolves town will only get 2 mislynches.

I came to the conclusion there are 4 wolves because Hated is like a free mislynch for scum. i.e. they win a day early. If there are 5 wolves it would be very hard to balance because town would only have 2 mislynches instead of the standard4.

Shad_ · June 19, 2015

Oh cool. I'll keep that in mind then.

Sili Quirrels · June 19, 2015

prob it sili

Dice u so salty

Relax man.. Not only are you getting worked up over this but you didn't even have a good argument to work off of in the first place, you've just kind of spiraled out of reason because your argument got treated as stupid as it frankly was.

Go tell Tommy how stupid it is.

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tommy is an outlier. please don't use him to substantiate your case. :rolleyes:

Sili Quirrels · June 19, 2015

There are set ups out there with only 2 mislynches by the way. I've played in them and they are definitely neat.

But usually the set ups are open.

Sili Quirrels · June 19, 2015

o, i think we can assume salami is telling the truth and there are 4 scum, not 5.

Sili, what made you think 4? Leelou asked about ratio of town to scum but I didn't understand how you came about your answer.

To be exact my intuition is there is an independent in addition to 4 wolves.

The standard ratio is 12:4, with 4 mislynches. This game there are 18 players so maybe the ratio is 14:4, with 5 mislynches, but if there is a Hated then we get the standard 4. ~~If in addition to a Hated there are 5 wolves town will only get 2 mislynches.~~

I came to the conclusion there are 4 wolves because Hated is like a free mislynch for scum. i.e. they win a day early. If there are 5 wolves it would be very hard to balance because town would only have 2 mislynches instead of the standard4.

13:5

11:5

9:5

7:5 7 is majority. LYLO

5:5

I will amend that to 4 mislynches.

Sili Quirrels · June 19, 2015

14:4

12:4

10:4

8:4 7 Majority LYLO

6:4 LOSE

So 4 mislynches w/4 wolves too.

Turin Turambar · June 19, 2015

Dice. Your latch on to this is reading like a caricature of your town game. Your are over the top with your intransigence for keeping it. A GF flip, a cop clear with the cop dead? That is silly. You admitted to your metaphor being overdone, I think this stance is also.

You wanna leave your vote on us fine. It's wasted there. Looks worse for you than it does on us.

You bypassed giving a percentage chance you believe I would make that claim as mafia. I will ask you for that now.

Oh i admit itd be a low percentage. But then it was low percentage the time I caught it too. Then theres this:

You bypassed giving a percentage chance you believe I would make that claim as mafia. I will ask you for that now.
This is really really dumb. The fact he's voting you for it means it's 51% or better. What's the point in pushing Dice on quantifying something that is, by his own admission, based on speculation? The more you guys do this stuff the more I think he might be on to something.

Above is the beginning of the conversation. Yates states clearly that the fact he is voting me means it is =>51%. Dice actually stated it as "pretty low". The reason to ask is that the suspicion needs to add up to a reasonable percentage in order for it to be a proper push. Let's say that Dice believes I did this at 10%. That would mean that I am 10% to be a wolf. Rand is about 25% so it still is <rand that my slot is mafia. For him to push at me(and Darthe) in this situation is silly. You could just as well say that someone would be mafia for posting a smiley.

Where if he believes it at something like 50%, then it would be worth pushing. He didn't say coin flip or anything else to imply that he felt it was that likely. Therefore he is just blowing hot air and waving his arms around talking tough.

Dice admitted that the percentage for me making that post as wolf was "pretty low". To me that is not =>51% as you stated.
Now who's not reading the thread? What, in your opinion, was the point I was making when I questioned your rationale for quantifying that read? Because I'd still like for you to address that...

I gave my answer to what I am guessing you were asking about in the first post. The question in the second post does not equal the question in the first post. I frankly don't know what you are on about so if you could explain it again using small words it might help.

My best guess is that you were trying to make me look bad because I asked him to quantify his level of belief (or his thought of likelihood).

Bottom line is I asked in order to gauge whether he had sufficient believe to justify his actions of voting and making a big stink and posturing in an OTT manner that parodies his town meta. The same meta he claims to not be able to properly emulate as mafia.

I dont think I expressed myself when i answered this. I think its a low percentage play. For town.Take a look at the trouble lynching you is. High percentage play for mafia. Because most people will sit there and go "theyd never do that!"

MY percentage on it? Ive seen it 3 times now. I jumped on the other two straight away as well. 1 was correct. 1 was not. So im batting 500 so far.

The response in the first quote indicates to me that you think the likelihood of this actually being not a joke is pretty low but you are claiming that you are merely being diligent to bring it to everyone's attention. At least that is how I am reading it. I posted it so everyone else can read it again for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

However in the second response you flip that on its head and seem to be saying that mafia would do this because it is a good play for them because people would not believe it. You are basing this "logic" on how difficult it is to lynch Darthe and I. I would say that it should be extremely difficult to lynch anyone on a joke posted on page one unless it was a true slip. I don't think that you are saying that it was. More that it was a "rub everyone's nose in it later" thing.

You have only seen 3 early joke mafia claims in all the games you have played. I find that doubtful. Lemme ask you this, on the other one that you were wrong about, what happened?

And BTW, You are now .333. Nice for baseball but barely above rand for mafia.

Eldrick4221 · June 19, 2015

Sili. That example you posted confused the hell out of me.

"Here's why i think you are scum"

[3 blank reasons]

I even highlighted the lines to see if you were hiding the reasons, for some reason.

Sili Quirrels · June 19, 2015

Sili. That example you posted confused the hell out of me.

"Here's why i think you are scum"

[3 blank reasons]

I even highlighted the lines to see if you were hiding the reasons, for some reason.

:wink: That's because I edited the arguments out after. Verbal is the only one who knows what I was on about.

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