[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

[Zander?]

One could have argued against the Thaneballs lynch with a very similar argument.

 

EXCEPT ALANNA KNEW she was The Cop!!!!

[seph]

zander did you see my last comment?

[dicetosser1]

 

 

what possible good does no lynch accomplish??!! 

 

it possibly saves a townie and allows for resolutions to happen tonight.

 

Stop and THINK Zander! right now you are coming accross like someone in a blind rage who cant see anything happening other then to their particular target. If you are a back up cop you need to have a clear head.

 

 

Dice, we don't even know how many anti-town players are left in the game or how many people are likely to die tonight.  Those are two things you almost always want to know before you no lynch.

 

 

you never do Wombat.

[Hallia]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Sili(2): Zander, NotBob

Heart(3): Sili, WomboCombo, Yates

WomboCombo(1): AielHeart

No Lynch(1): Dice

Talya(1): Eldrick

 

 

Not Voting: Talya, Csarmi, Seph

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.  A deadline has been set for Monday, June 29th at 7pm PST.

[Aiel Heart]

In your view...does it seem more or less likely to have a Doc with a commuter in this game?

It's less likely to me. One of the reasons I'm looking at Wombo. He's not counterclaiming; he's just making my claim seem impossible.

 

I also am inclined to believe Yates and Sili, though I admit at the moment I can't remember a specific reason and it is more gut feels than anything else.

[Zander?]

zander if you like my case on heart will you vote with me?

reading day 2 currently, and the more I read the more I want to lynch her.

 

 

 

also question.

tayla claims stump. pheonix and stump in the same game? is that odd

 

tbh brother prob not but ill look it over!!!

[Yates]

 

One could have argued against the Thaneballs lynch with a very similar argument.

 

EXCEPT ALANNA KNEW she was The Cop!!!!

 

So tell me something; did she know Thane was scum because she copped him or did she know because of his claim?

[Zander?]

 

 

One could have argued against the Thaneballs lynch with a very similar argument.

 

EXCEPT ALANNA KNEW she was The Cop!!!!

 

So tell me something; did she know Thane was scum because she copped him or did she know because of his claim?

 

 

she copped him.  she was on him hard before the claim.

[WWWwombat]

 

One could have argued against the Thaneballs lynch with a very similar argument.

 

EXCEPT ALANNA KNEW she was The Cop!!!!

 

 

Hence my use of the word "similar."  Laine was not the only person who voted Thaneballs.  Anyone other townies on that train had to commit to lynching what was from their PoV an essentially uncountered cop claimant.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

what possible good does no lynch accomplish??!! 

 

it possibly saves a townie and allows for resolutions to happen tonight.

 

Stop and THINK Zander! right now you are coming accross like someone in a blind rage who cant see anything happening other then to their particular target. If you are a back up cop you need to have a clear head.

 

 

Dice, we don't even know how many anti-town players are left in the game or how many people are likely to die tonight.  Those are two things you almost always want to know before you no lynch.

 

 

you never do Wombat.

 

 

Not true.  If this game were an open setup, we certainly would know those things.  If it were semi-open, we'd have a pretty good idea.  If the number of players were divisible by 4, we'd have a better idea than we currently do on the number of scum.  If we had a more consistent number of nightkills, we would have a better idea of what to expect there.  We don't have enough info right now to be able to tell when exactly a no lynch will help the town, which means that we would be shooting in the dark with it.  It would be move of avoidance, not a move of tactical judgment.  That is not the kind of move you make if you want to win.

[seph]

ok guys I iso'd heart and I am back to my original thought. I don't see how she is not mafia here.
letting zander get a view is a safe approach but I am leaning more with wombo combo I Think. I am kinda tilted atm.
Heart promises to keep up. she literally posted 6 times on day 2...
she has 3 pages of text in day 5 alone. kinda odd.

anyways this is up to day5 I think
 

 

This is as of page 65ish but I have to run now (already running a smidge late)

(*indicates that was done hurriedly in the last 15 minutes of my time--will have to go back and analyze better later)

Sili
—opening post was joking about being vanilla town
—Been consistent in not liking me so there’s that at least
—Looking at Aj’s attention on Seph
—as of post #805 he really liked Eldrick, Csarmi and Dice (I remember you explaining why you liked Eldrick, Csarmi I can assume—why dice?)
Sili is going to be on of those people I’m just wary of for a while. I’ve liked a lot of what he’s SAID in this game, but something feels off. It might just be my annoyance. Slight town read for now


Durin (Turin and Darthe)
—Ok, so there was the whole view thing at the beginning, and I can see dice’s point of view where it could be a gambit, however I don’t think that is worth lynching over today.
—I’ve liked Darthe’s posting so far in this game; been looking in a lot of places and interacting with a lot of people and trying to encourage the game.
—Turin some analysis and question asking
—The interactions with dice have been getting a lot of attention, and I am going to go back and look at that more later, but for now I’m going with that nothing especially stuck out to me in those interactions
Once again, a fairly town vibe. The main thing here is that I know both of these players are able to trick me into thinking they are town when they are mafia

Alannalynn
—a lot of giving thoughts and asking questions, feeling a lot like she did last game to me
—has been doing a lot of observing and asking questions and hasn’t been in the thick of any main issue yet, but I’ve noticed she’s normally more on the fringes
In response to her question about my read on her: I normally find you very scummy, and now I’m finding you very town. That change is worth noting, and as previously stated I’m wary of being tricked. I think you’re town at this point though
Strong town lean

Therbal32 (Thane and Verbal)
—really not much stood out to me, they had dice marked as town as of #758 and asked a few questions
Looking at ISO
—Thane talked about his coffee skills a lot, and did more random commentating than actually analyzing the game with his pop-ins, though this has been gradually improving
—Verbal has done a little more questioning of things
Slight town???

NotBob
—mostly questions and commentating, hasn’t done much of his own analysis yet which I saw a bit of before, but that will probably come with time
—as previously stated, I am never trusting him again
town lean

Leelou
—doesn’t like me from the beginning, didn’t like Sooh’s play on my bad play
—notes that csarmi always claims early and she hates it along with his riding it, sees Eldrick as more derptown for the dice vote, doesn’t like the Wombocombo, likes Laine,
—a lot of commentating, a bit of other asking questions, has started looking at others more
Two questions:
Why are you so solidly liking Dice? You’ve restated that you think he’s town and just tunneling a lot, but I don’t see a place where you said why?
For you, what makes seph down in scum pile with me?
Has moved on from focusing on me, feel better about her after ISOing her. Still don’t like how focused she was at the beginning though

*Sooh
—more independent thought than the last game, where she just mostly explained for people and every now and then popped in
Town Lean

*Zander
—also a lot of questioning and casing
—bromance with Darthe
Town Lean

*Eldrick
—a lot of pressuring and responses
—trying to get better at the game
—trying to use votes to pressure
Town Lean

*Talya
—remember liking a lot of her posts, but I feel like there’s something different about her play and tone this game

*Yates
—like his read ups

*Mawthex
—liked his initial post

*Dice
—really don’t like his tunneling
—has given a few other thoughts
—hasn’t really responded to the other things going on

*Shad (BFG)
—feelign really solid this game
—a lot of thoughts a lot of reading a lot of questions
—acting very confident
Town for now

*Seph
—a lot of his posts have been defending of self.
—Has been asking questions and giving a few thoughts
—Defended Durin
Felt a little slippery this game but I don’t necessarily find him SCUMMY

*WomboCombo (Wombat and Andrej)
—I like wombat. Not noticing much by Aj

*Csarmi—(Hated—requires one less vote to be lynched—Jar Jar Binks)
—hate how much he is relying on his hated status, but I’ve not played many games with him (and the last one was forever ago) and apparently this is normal
—questions Sooh’s posts and then a bit later says she is high on his list. Will have to ISO to see if this makes as little sense as it appears to
@Csarmi—why do you like Sooh so much?
Need to look at more later.



SUM UP

A lot of people are leaning town for me right now, but it’s day one and no one has made any major mistakes yet, and we have nothing solid to go on. Day ones are always hard for me for that reason.

My strongest town reads are probably Laine, Shad and Yates, and I’m feeling fairly good about Zander and Eldrick as well.

The hydras I’m all going to be wary of as I know they are all players who can trick me as mafia. The least inthralled by Therbal. Sili I’m also throwing into the category of “town but definitely not clear”

Feeling eh about Talya and Sooh (and Mawth)—sooh is probably my strongest town read out of those three.

The people I’ve had a strong dislike to at some point in the game were dice, Leelou and Csarmi.

I think that was everyone

Leelou has felt better to me, but also has been defending dice a lot. Csarmi has his claim but I would like him to prove his towniness.


I’m comfortable voting this route right now:
[v]dice[/v]
I feel like it would be informative and I think there’s a possibility of scum.


ALSO
I am going to be MORE active next week. Will be here. Lots of free time in the afternoons and some of my late evenings will probably also be open.

Oh and I think it was Zander who asked me what I was last game where I also started out inactive—I was town and that was largely a part of why I was mislynched.


Need to head to work now. Will be getting off of work a bit before deadline so I will try to pop in before it hits.

This whole sum up with her reads list up top is confusing. It literally looks like she cannot decide on a bunch of reads.

also more promises and we get  inactivity :(

also noting it seems she is voting dice because it will yield information?

 

 

Kind of skimmed since the last VC just to see where we're at and I think this is it?

Seph(1): NotBob
Durin(2): Dice, Csarmi
Leelou(2): Aiel Heart, Shad,
Aiel Heart(1): Sili
Wombocombo (1): Leelou
Laine (1): Wombocombo
Sooh (2): Eldrick, Talya
NotBob (2): Clov, Seph
Therbal (1): Durin

 

Is that right? This close to deadline? 

 

It's what three hours away now? 

 

Totally didn't unvote I just realized, but that train wouldn't leave the station at this point. 

Ok with staying on Leelou at the moment.

Am getting kidnapped and probably won't be back before dl hits but will try. 

 

May the force be with us

heart states that she KNOWS she is on leelou

 

 

 

 

I don't like how you normally push me early when you are scum. 

Also, don't like Heart's vote staying on me like it is.

 

 

 

I normally give summary posts--I remember Laine saying something about them being useful when I'm here

normally useful but I haven't like them this game. At all

Vote count???

 

 
This is a blatant contradiction of what you said before.  Except when you said it, there hadn't been any.

 

I normally give them and they are normally good and she has said before that she likes them. Stop trying to link us.
 
Also Alanna they'll be better from here on out--I've been rushed.
 
 
Speaking of rush, do we have any idea what the count is?

 

This looks like she knows leelou is scum.
if she thought she was scum, why not try to influence votes towards leelou.

 

 

 

Sorry Leelou

 

we get this post

I just don't think it was a kosher push when I was out to dinner and had like no time to defend myself. 

 

 

I know I voted her. Judging by how she's acting now, she probably was town. Didn't feel that way to me most of the game, though she was rising in my perspective. Coming back in though, the main reason behind the other train was something which didn't truly have substance (Laine referring to something that I normally do but hadn't done yet).

Also, what would have happened if the votes had been tied? Random between the two of them or random between everyone?

Still not fun to see your own Aes Sedai lynched.

and then this to cover.
I don't think anyone thought leelou flipped town especially after the bolded

 

 

 

 

...Did I seriously finish catching up just in time for day to hit?

 

Ok, it is 1:15 am, I was ready for bed around 11, and my brain officially checked out around page 125. Will analyze everything in light  of day in the morning 

 

Something to add to the discussion a few pages ago(127ish?)—Leelou was my second choice anyway—look where I did vote dice. I think I remember choosing him because I thought he’d give more information at that point, including information about Leelou. 

Also, I noted somewhere at EoD that Leelou tends to try to push me when she’s wolf (seems to be missing from Darthe’s mega quotes of EoD). Can grab evidence of that from a QT if need be. 

 

Also, Shad, do you still want to ask me something? If it can wait until tomorrow, I would REALLY like sleep now.

 

I asked her about this irt but she says she is here but decides not to post until night ends?.

this whole post reads weird

Worked on catching up a bit since church this morning and am at 142 right now.  Have a few things I need to do this afternoon, but this evening is going to be very open so should be able to finish catching up and actually sit and analyze everything. 

 

Also in response to... I think it was seph? not liking that I wasn't in current conversation when catching up last night--I try keeping a tab on catching up and a tab on current conversation sometimes, but if I'm trying to catch up quickly or if I'm really tired I'd rather not try to divide my focus

 

so she decided to not give input. and post as soon as night was over?
I just don't like she wasn't in real time I guess

 

 

 

Sili
—was ok with Sooh behavior as it happened; liked Sooh’s initial post better than mine because she knew it would probably look bad and did it anyway.
—Didn’t like Aj’s attention on Seph
—Gave a few thoughts here and there, more on the defensive in the early 90s pages
—#1975 says he doesn’t care about Leelou but Verb says she’s probably town voted Laine—later beat himself up for it
—gives reads in #2135 but says ten posts later that they aren’t worth much
—Looks at me Sooh based off of Leelou’s interactions with us, increasingly looking at Sooh
I feel like Sili hasn’t been fully present this game (as compared to my limited past experience), which isn’t alignment indicative necessarily, but doesn’t make me feel as confident in him as I would like to. Leaning town


Alannalynn
—defended those with busy lives early on, which I admit may be making me a bit biased about her
—has been giving a decent amount of thoughts and has been pretty wide spread about them
—the whole “taking out the hydras” thing was supposed to be a joke but is still rubbing me wrong
—Was the opposite train to Leelou on D1
She’s acting like a cleared town leader at this point, and she is one of my stronger town reads right now, and seems pretty invested in hunting at this point. Will allow to be a strong town read


Thaneballs32 (Thane and Verbal)
—beating a dead horse here, but I will note that there was very little noted.
—Verbal said multiple times dice and Leelou were town, but didn’t really substantiate any of reads that I noted, he was however very confident in his reads.
—I had absolutely nothing by Thane in my notes
—ISOing, he didn’t like Csarmi’s claim, various things that he doesn’t like or is wary of but nothing very substantial
Nothing of note, and both of them are capable of playing a much better game. Verbal is allowed to be wrong about Leelou, but he never gave any reasons for any of his reads and his reads didn’t really progress

NotBob
—popping in like usual, asking a question here and there, commentating, gave real thoughts when asked
—#3019 before wasn’t willing to vote uneducated at EoD (and it was EoD so maybe that is the factor here) and now he pops in and votes Thane though he’s not caught up, which I find interesting
No strong reason to like or dislike him at this point, so leaning town.

Sooh
—I noted early that she had more of her own thoughts than she had last game, though that has severely dropped off and she seems to only pop in every now and then
—Most of her pop ins have been defending or explaining herself since, and I feel like she’s having decreased strength
—a few of her posts have pinged, a few of them I have liked
—Looks a little more scummy in light of Leelou; I can see Leelou doing distancing like that, and that situation felt strange to me.
Going to put leaning scum at this point. I’d like to hear more from her on her thoughts on everyone.

Zander
—There have been a few times when he’s popped in with something random
—were a few reads and such that I didn’t like at the beginning, but his reads have been somewhat organic.
—Has been doing a lot of casing and giving thoughts.
Town Lean

Eldrick
—Noted a lot of posts I like
—Is maintaining that I’m not clear when a lot of other people are considering me clear, which I don’t think a wolf would necessarily do right now (wouldn’t want to draw attention to themselves by stating an opinion that is contradictory and may draw attention to themselves)
—I appreciated the direction he was going with the VC + Leelou’s list. Looking for new ways to poke out scum is ok
Town Lean

Talya
—I feel like I have a very little amount of feel or memory for someone I have so many notes on
—I had a town lean on her early in the game
—Her thoughts and reads have been very different from others’ in this game, which could mean many things. It is good that she isn’t just going with the crowed, and isn’t afraid to be unpopular with others (which she has been)
—2347 Yates quote pointing out how little wolf hunting he has done which others really like
I’m not seeing strong reasons to like or dislike her either, so another slight town lean

Yates
—Once again, a dead horse.
—Didn’t like some seph things, didn’t like some of the early votes
—Gave a few reads, made a case on Durin, defended seph against Zander at one point, didn’t like Sooh’s post.
—a lot of stuff is either jokey or math talk in his ISO
—I have liked quite a few of his posts, and I also know that life has been busy for him which I can empathize with, but there has also been a lot more talking without actually saying anything than usual, and that feels a bit off to me.
I can agree with the scum read, though the Therbal one is stronger for me. I feel much more conflicted about labeling him scummy for whatever reason (it may just be because he’s one of the people that I’m always inclined to feel more nebulous about), however at this point we could also get a good deal of information from his lynch. Would like to hear more from him before death though.
He’s sort of like a high strong scum…? Idk, something here is off for me and I don’t like it

Dice
—Tunnelled on the Wolf read day one
—Was defended by leelou and Verbal with no explanation
—note that he saw verbal as townie (was past tense in the post) and Yates
+As an added bonus, is pushing me now, and I’m not all that fond of the case. Others feeling I’m not cleared is more understandable, but I feel like he’s kind of reaching with his casing (re #2706, I had said 3rd party NK in response to whatever Shad’s theory was about a doc protect or what not, the post about the Janitor possibility had ninja’d. Was half asleep and knew there was a role that stripped all info away, but couldn’t remember the specifics of it. I think I only ever played one game with a janitor, and if I did it was a long time ago and in that game it was weird, so the impression wasn’t that strong.) (Then #2963—I had joke-voted Leelou. Later on when I attempted to vote you but forgot to unvote her, she was still very scummy in my opinion, but I figured your lynch would give me info on her. Then I found out that I had forgot to unvote, but my vote was on someone who I still believed to be scummy, and someone who was far more likely to actually get lynched at that point, and the other train was partially built on something that was a false impression. Why would I change my vote?) (Next?)
I have not liked Dice’s game, and I continue to not. A lot of other people have been fine with it, though I need to go back through and see exactly who at this point.
Now, what would that mean? Leelou, dice and Verbal were all mafia, and they all defended each other with the exception of dice defending Leelou (noted that he saw her as somewhat scummy)? That doesn’t seem likely. I’m not certain of the implications/thoughts here, but I feel like lynching Therbal could give a bit more info here too.


Shad
—A lot of analyzing lists, making cases, giving thoughts, and going for things that he sees as scummy
—A lot of giving thoughts and a lot of thoughts I have liked
—I feel like his activity has dropped somewhat, but I think the volume of this game is also creating a bigger learning curve for him
I’m feeling pretty town about him and have for most of the game. If he ends up being scum it is going to break my heart.
Random side thing—Shad, you said that you had joined this site and then discovered mafia, so I can assume that WoT brought you to the site, is that correct? (There will be a followup question)

Seph
—Got a lot of pings and attention early on.
—Note that Yates defended him #1422, however that felt genuine regardless of what Yates ends up flipping
—Been doing a lot of casing and giving his own thoughts, and I’ve liked some of that.
Town lean


WomboCombo (Wombat and Andrej)—
—A lot of casing and thoughts and analysis I’ve liked and has seemed very straightforward
—Randomly noting that Wombat is posting a lot more than I remember him posting before, but that’s probably not indicative of anything, and it made me smile actually
—the amount of townie I’m feeling about them is making me cautious, because both of them can trick me.
Strong town lean


Csarmi
—Claimed: Hated—requires one less vote to be lynched—Jar Jar Binks
—Claimed early, which is normal for him but just because he has a claim doesn’t mean we can trust that claim
—Pressured Sooh for coming in an posting when she wasn’t being constructive, and then later had her fairly high on his reads list without any explanation
—Stuff with Darthe begins, but gives a few other posts for other people, sees Sooh as a solid villager in late D1
—Catfight with Darthe, then had the temporary emoquit
—Came in today acting silly (I just typed that as “sili” again >.> )which is allowed, but I got the feeling that he came in simply to gloat and was being the opposite of helpful on purpose, which is part of what goaded him about Darthe if memory serves…
Kind of leaning scum with him at this point. Has had some good posts, but they are kind of dwarfed by the not so good vibes I’m getting at this point
Have no meta with him though, so my reading of his vibes could be totally off.
Leaning Scum

 

 

TL;DR

Strong Town
Shad
Alanna

Town Lean
Wombocombo (could maybe move up)
Sili
NotBob
Zander
Seph
Eldrick
Talya

Scum Lean
Sooh
Csarmi

Strong Scum
Yates (something off here)
Dice (implications still need to be figured out--see above)
Thaneballs

 

 

 

So for now we shall [v]Therbal[/v]

Would like to hear from one/both of them before the lynch goes through though. 

 

Going to go watch a hallmark movie with my grandma now, but will probably pop in from time to time

not sure how sooh got down to scum, thought she had her above tayla last time.

 

 

 

Sili

I’m finding myself agreeing with dice; I’ve seen Sili normally make much more of an impression, and the lack of it this game is making me question, plus he’s also seemed more on the defensive and dodging more than is normal in my experience.
However, there have also been many posts I’ve noted as liking by him, he is analyzing and he’s seeming to act more normal now (pressure or time causing, it’s hard to say). In addition, nothing is jumping out of me in my skim of his ISO, and he looks a slightly better in light of my last post, though there are a lot of mixed reads there too

Alannalynn
Was a little reckless in her certainty last night, has been kind of cruising now but still is informed in what is going on and acting cleared. Will keep her town.
—Question: have you done those investigations yet and have you any new thoughts?

NotBob
Claims Vig (N1 kill Clov(?), N2 holster)
Ok actually the exact wording was that he did not shoot. (Had forgotten about that until just now)
Coming in and being a little more active in the game now, was still just commentating for a while.
A few questionable things, like posting to show that he was there without actually giving thoughts to the situation at hand, and also the difference in voting while being caught up D1 vs D1. Have a good feeling about him right now (but I’ve said that before…)
So, along the former line of questioning:
—Why Clov over Sili?
—Why holster last night?
—Anything else you would be willing to tell us regarding your claim?

Sooh (Mentored by Pizza)
Once again, started out the game with a few more of her own independent thoughts, and I saw a few more of those come today, which I liked. Has been showing some of her pop in, pop out behavior.
There are two common reasons to her being looked at, one being her activity, and two being the situation with Leelou. Shad also had some “interesting” stuff on Sooh which I don’t remember being posted, and then Durin had noted that they felt like Sooh had gotten off easy. A span of reads are on her right now, so if nothing else, she would at least be an informative lynch.

Zander
Since my last post, has been doing a lot of analyzing, looking at the possible combinations of scum, trying to solve in my opinion. Is also acting fairly cleared, and I think he’s reacted to the bit of pressure he’s gotten well. Considered basically clear by many, including those in the above post

Eldrick
He’s been giving a lot of thoughts on specific people and giving lots of reads, and also trying to solve. Something’s felt funny about him though, and I’m not sure what. Pretty townie looking through the eyes of the dead though.

Talya
I feel like I remember far too little about Talya’s play. Analyzed Yates when he was one of the people of interest, been a lot of commentating with some analysis thrown in. Will need to ISO when I’m awake.
Looking at my last post, lot of passed townies supported her (though I don’t remember strong reasons why…) and the only thing there that gives me pause is that Leelou usually pushes her too (might have been waiting for a different day though… Or just trying to be atypical)

Yates
Claims C-3PO
Been feeling better to me since he’s been able to post more. I felt decent about the way he responded to the pressure as well.
Need to look at the EoD2 stuff better when more awake.

Dice
Felt like he was trying to deflect attention in the early #3300s, Has done some analysis that I like today, can’t say I’m fond of the way he’s gone about a few things though. There’s a couple of his posts that I’ve marked that I need to look at closer lately, and now is not the time to do that.
Still don’t like him in terms of Therbal and Leelou, but still need to hash out that one with myself as well. Will lift to a lean until I can look at closer

WomboCombo (Wombat and Andrej)
Theres all the stuff EoD2 that I need to look at closer (#4342 concerning that felt off to me)
Have liked a lot of their posts over time
Could warrant a look at due to placement on Leelou’s and Durin’s lists

Csarmi
Claims Hated—requires one less vote to be lynched—Jar Jar Binks
Some giving thoughts, analyzing a few of the actions. Could very well be town, just going about it in a way that isn’t very helpful
#4215 Based on ISOs, moved Dice up to blue and Sooh slightly down to blue/green.
—What was in their ISOs to cause this change (sort of explained Sooh in post but explain dice?)



Want to see what others say and also get some sleep—will expand a few of those and answer questions tomorrow afternoon.
Right now I think a Sooh lynch would be best. 


Oh btw Yates:

 

 

 

 

Goes against her own opinion, saying Sooh is a target because of inactivity .
She had wombat as a strong town, then as people said leelou has to have a scum in her list seems to start lowering wombat. I can't seem to figure out why.

if leelou puts scum in her list. She has only me and heart in her first take. food for thought.

 

 

*Sigh*

 

You know what? There's only one mafia left anyway. I probably wouldn't be able to last longer anyway, and you guys would hold that against me. May as well die putting all my cards on the table. 

 

I can't target the same person two nights in a row. I should have not jumped to save her right away, should have known that that'd be the obvious choice. Wasn't thinking straight I guess. I saved her night 2, and then I couldn't save her night 3.

 

Now, I'm going to die in the next two phases no matter what. It's just whether you kill me or if they kill me tonight, because I won't be able to protect myself. 

 

I'd rather we catch the last mafia today if it's all the same to you guys. And if we're wrong... at least I get killed by scum and not my own team. Btw about 5 posts came in while I was making that decision. 

I feel like this is a mafia making this pot... but heart is good at accepting mis lynches...

 

 

I think it's more likely that that there's a third party killer who renders it's death targets unreadable. 

 

Shad, how would Darthe have died by that theory?

 

thane said this is well later on. I feel like it was a talk in mafia qt ?



anyways my thoughts here. I am leaning here over sili. hope this makes sense
I am starting to believe yates/sili...

 

Im on page 50 and no. Verbal is the lynch. Sooh is just my pet project.

 

 

I think it's more likely that that there's a third party killer who renders it's death targets unreadable. 

 

Shad, how would Darthe have died by that theory?

this was the post ah made, then thaneor verbal made the same post. I believe it was verbal.

[seph]

 

this is the first time I have had a day 1 this active, so I think there is alot.

if leelou flips wolf I think clov looks bad for his misinterpretation, intended or not.

darthe looks good for leading the charge towards the end.

there is a bunch of outcomes but I need the flip to help really.

 

I think the leelou over laine was the right decision.

who would you rather have seen lynched between the two?

 

If she flips mafia, I think Heart, Darthe, and you are pretty much cleared.  I don't think Heart would stay on Leelou like she did if they're teammates, and you and Darthe were the tipping votes.  Wombat's vote probably looks worst.

 

If she flips town, I think Heart and Alanna are guaranteed to have one mafia in them - maybe both.  Alanna's vote is pretty much null regardless (self preservation), but voting Town!Leelou over a Mafia!Heart after saying she's okay with either is sketchy as hell IMO.

 

What makes you think it was the right decision?

 

 

 

 

Also, don't like Heart's vote staying on me like it is.

I don't like how you normally push me early when you are scum. 

 

 

 

I normally give summary posts--I remember Laine saying something about them being useful when I'm here

normally useful but I haven't like them this game. At all

 

Vote count???

 

 

This is a blatant contradiction of what you said before.  Except when you said it, there hadn't been any.

 

I normally give them and they are normally good and she has said before that she likes them. Stop trying to link us.

 

Also Alanna they'll be better from here on out--I've been rushed.

 

 

Speaking of rush, do we have any idea what the count is?

 

 

 

I'll stop "trying to link you" when she doesn't make a post suggesting she likes the good content you've posted when you haven't posted it.

 

 

 

 

 

I liked shad's case on leelou, but I am still uneasy on him tbh

 

Case? 

 

I think I'm lead train now. Go Laine or something, this is as right as we are gonna get

 

[unvote] [v]Laine[/v] Happy? 

 

well it was a little ways back.

leelou who is more likely a wolf ah or alanna?

are you voting for self preservation?

 

 

Most likely, Heart. And yes, self preservation. I know I'm town. 

 

 

 

 

Leia vt obvious safe claim

 

YOU DIE NOW

I am the harbinger of your destruction

 

SHUT UP!  You are being an annoying prat. 

 

 

I wanted to post this cause I find it extremely funny.

 

 

 

also wanted to post these by clov, I found them interesting,

I remember he and darthe had a debate on the ah being scum night 1

[seph]

WTF HOUSE OF CARDS..
REMMIE IT WAS JUST A CUT BRO. JUST A CUT

[seph]

I ment meechim or however you spell it lol

[csarmi]

 

Vig/peek/lynch out of Sooh, Yates and Heart and I think town wins this game every time.

I'm not sure you catch even 1 wolf in that group but it's a good place to peek due to activity/suspicion. Probably add Dice and Csarmi to the list, though, along with yourself.And I think we can all recognize that I'm obviously not trying to direct the cop in an attempt to fool anyone given a dead GF and RB. It just makes sense.So if the cop is peeking in a list of:SoohYatesHeartDiceCsarmiWombocombo*maybe* Zander?I think we'll be in good shape. And that's assuming the cop didn't already peek someone on this list.I'd also be willing to go so far as to claim miller and eat the lynch tomorrow (if I don't make myself obv Town) just to give the cop a slightly smaller pool.

 

That was hasty of me.  You have no idea what I found funny and it's not really relevant.

I'm going to just mark you as a deep wolf. Game can't be this easy

Listen, don't go looking for deep wolves until you KNOW there's a deep wolf. That's how tinfoil happens and you don't need it with two dead mafia PR's after two day phases. "A cigar is sometimes just a cigar."

 

In other words, she'd spread them out evenly....but there will almost always be a wolf in her wolf list.

Makes me feel like there isn't a wolf there..

No, he's right. He needed to post what Town Verbal would say. If he lied about Leelou's meta he'd get called out on it immediately.

The other thing that's bugging me about Yates is that he's being accused of buddying but his "buddying" instances really aren't that condemning.

This isn't at Shad but a general observation prompted by this post.I haven't really addressed this but I get accused of "buddying" a lot. And in this game I've been accused of "buddying" but not "game solving." This is like the eleventieth time I've had to point this out but there's a huge difference between "buddying" and trying to understand someone's logic based on what I think someone should know about a certain subset of data/testing internal logic. That's how I get reads. And that's what I've been doing. And that's game solving. So, in essense, my "buddying" posts have ALL been "game solving" posts. Please note that for future games in your "How to Read Yates" section.

I'm also contemplating whether or not I should character reveal. On the one hand, I like the idea of catching a mafia in a claim. Leia is a ballzy claim. I don't know how good the mafia's fake claims are, if they even have any. They might have to wing it.

The mod has provided fake claims. So don't put too much stock into them.That said; the fact that Verb had to use Bail Organna as a fake claim means Leia was likely the only good fake claim. This is something I was kicking around last night.Also, I have no idea why Leelou - with a Princess Leia fake claim in her pocket and knowing she would investigate as Town - wouldn't be the one to fake claim Cop. At worst, she goes down anyway but at least gives her teammates a chance to find the cop. At best; she stops her lynch, gets investigated Town, and becomes confirmed Town by the cop at some point and was clearly just trying to "draw the NK."^^^ THIS is how you know I'm not scum, btw.

Alanna tell me why Yates is town. I dislike his claim tbh.

You only dislike my claim because you don't like that I'm withholding information right now. It's night. The only people I'm wifoming at this point in time is the scum team. I'll full claim during the day if I need to/it's important to the Town. All you need to know is that I have a high level of confidence that if scum don't kill me tonight, my full claim will make you all feel MUCH better about my slot. Like, good enough that if the cop investigates me tonight regardless, they won't even need to reveal to save a Townie.Remember the conversation we had about how to claim? Go take a quick look at our pm's Sent 09 June 2015 - 01:47 PM. And if *YOU* want a preview to feel better? Look at the pm Sent 10 June 2015 - 11:27 AM. ;) Just don't say anything in thread about it until after I reveal. I think you can see where there's a LOT to gain there...

Seph? Can you tell us what Yates been talking about here (pm stuff) .

 

Yates: why are you adding Dice/Salami to the peek list where you earlier said that Leelou spewed us town?

[seph]

I don't want to post it all.
basically last game I was phoenix and was asking how to claim in a pro town way, to draw the nk. without hurting the town, and he went into a bit of a explanation for me.

the other post referring if I wanted a preview was towards a post he made, saying I should look for notbob's mason partners. he made this day 3 before sooh got lynched.

I am fence sitting on the idea beacuse besides that their breadcrumbs suck :(

[csarmi]

 

so whats your WTL list look like Yates?

Right now I'm feeling like AH or Wombocombo for wolf. I actually need to see if they make sense as wolf together...NB if you want to lunch an SK.You, Talya, and Eldrick would be deep wolf candidates for me but that's only after finding the 3rd wolf, imo.I think the pressure on Dice, Csarmi, and Sooh is misplaced, personally. I haven't seen any of them scum tell. Plus, I know Dice's role. :tongue:I would ditto that for Sili but he has fooled me as a wolf once before so there's an outside shot I'm wrong on him. I just don't see scum Sili pushing a Thaneballs lynch as his RB wolf bro. Especially if he knew Thaneballs was going to try to sell a Cop claim. In that situation, I would expect to see him peel off. Now I need to see if Sili was around after the claim but I think he was...

Yates what is this?

[csarmi]

I don't want to post it all.

basically last game I was phoenix and was asking how to claim in a pro town way, to draw the nk. without hurting the town, and he went into a bit of a explanation for me.

the other post referring if I wanted a preview was towards a post he made, saying I should look for notbob's mason partners. he made this day 3 before sooh got lynched.

I am fence sitting on the idea beacuse besides that their breadcrumbs suck :(

Then you died that night.

[csarmi]

Private messages (he practically sent you those there) are way outside the spirit of the game, probably the rules too. Depressing stuff.

[csarmi]

So this looks good for Wombocombo and null for Eldrick - which is better than bad.Vig HeartCop MeProfitimo.

+

[csarmi]

 

3rd Bold FWIW you and Sili seem to be protecting each other quite a bit.

We do? I wonder why.Seph knows why. You can ask him.

Hmm

[csarmi]

 

Yates not sure what you can do here. I don't see you making this play as mafia.

Because I don't. If there's one thing that I think EVERYONE who has ever played with me can agree to it's this: I ALWAYS play to my win condition. There's no win for me in claiming masons with a scum buddy.I really don't think there's anything else I *CAN* do besides wait for one of us to be killed to mod confirm the other. Obviously, I'd rather force scum to do it but at some point in this game it likely makes sense to just let the mislynch go through. That's why I'm trying to figure out how many confirmed Town we need to outright win. Figuring out the SK situation might help with the math because 1 NK vs 2 is significant. Even with a big lead.

There isn't? With the cop supposed dead? How so?

[csarmi]

Aand i am at work. May be active in10h.

[Eldrick4221]

Ok. Not caught up.

 

Posting thoughts and then going back to read. Sorry if this has been covered.

 

When this day started, Heart was up on my list to lynch. I was going to, and then there was the doc claim. I stopped because of the discussion to keep her around to protect Zander so he could view someone.

 

After AJ reminded me of his actions in my defense D3, I came to realization that he wouldn't do that as scum. Save me to lynch Sooh. I am not lynching Wombo.

 

I don't know if Heart is scum or not. I was thinking she was before, and will probably go that route after I catch up. Even if she's doc, and by consequence of her lynch, we lose Zander to NK (most likely outcome), we are still very much ahead of the game. At this point, I think it's worth the chance.

 

Going back now to read the 10ish pages I haven't gotten to yet.

[Eldrick4221]

Why Talya?

 

Doc doesn't have to be in the game. I don't think it balances for scum if they potentially can't kill all the confirmed townies because shot gets stuffed.

 

I just wanna point this out. Mafia had a Role blocker. This nullifies whoever they were gonna kill. This balances the multiple unkillables IMO

 

Just checking how the claim went AJ, I thought your role was to take someone away for the night. But they didn't. If would interesting to know if you used it last night, because there was no other kill than mafia kill. The reason may have been you being protected. NB never said that he holstered did he?

 

If NB is a SK then there is just one wolf. If we believe that NB is sk and that he hasn't holstered then he would have used it last night. We know I didn't get hit so it could have been you that was hit. In which case, POE says either Heart or Eld

 

He did say he holstered. He said he shot N1, and has holstered ever since.

 

Then lets go for the SK...because that is one things that could still muck us up...if there is a sk, then that clears AJ/Womb and means there would be just one more to get. If you clear Heart it narrows it down to Eld.

 

I tried going this route. If there's a SK, it's probably Notbob. If not, it's probably you. We should kill the last mafia, and see if the game ends or not, though.