American Gods Mafia [Advanced] - mafia win

[seph]

No I don't think wombat is scum

Darthe- I have voiced my opinion on him, If I had a shot it would be here.
I think dice is town

[Darthe]

Darthe Nk confirmed

[Andrej]

1) what do you think about darthe. I need something besides a null read atm.

I have two opinions of him, not sure which is right.

 

2) Aj your game doesn't feel right to me here. I still keep coming back to the idea you and him could be teammates. I feel like if I am misreading darthe, your the mafia or as i stated possible teammates. When I re read the thread you guys are the two that ping me. and it looks like w/w.

I still need to re read since the flip, but this is where I am currently.

I think there is going to be scum in one of the top posters and two lower posters.

 

3) also which one of the two would you vote first? hallia or sili

 

1) I have a feeling Darthe is more likely a villager after his play last night and going into EOD. He's not the type you can clear with post count and thread presence, etc because he can play at a high level as a wolf but I'm not getting bad vibes atm. I also think there's a good chance he ends up dead before too long if he's a villager so your worry will probably be relieved soon enough.

 

2) No offense but I don't think you're qualified to tell me when my game doesn't feel right yet. We've played in two together, one where I was a villager and murdered N1 and the other a wolf and your partner. Two complete opposite sides of the spectrum and the one chance you did have to see me as a townsman I was dead very early.

 

2.1) Darthe and I could very easily be teammates if he's a villager. We aren't wolves together. Why do you feel if Darthe is town that makes me a wolf? You're sort of setting yourself up to go after me since you've pinned me to him regardless of his actual alignment. Good luck with that though

 

3) I don't really have an preference as to which order I would vote them in atm. I'm gonna ISO them real quick and give some thoughts on their few posts so that my perspective is more clear as to why I think they could be mafia and to have others give their opinions as well.

[Andrej]

Hallia ISO - 7 posts.

 

I've pulled the three that actually have content in them.

 

 

 

 

Dang only three pages in and plenty to see, I like et.

 

vote seph cause I can

 

[v]dice[/v] for a 3 minute "ninja"

 

1) I'm with John Snow here.  Most promising thing I've seen.

 

Peeked Hally town N0

 

2) If only so, LOVE MEEEEEE

 

Well I'm home, and I have a bit of time now.
Aj I think yates helped me out on sili a bit last game.
Well I am here to inform you aj, I am going to solve this game, and I will not be leaving easily.

 

3) I like the sound of Seph so far 8/10 would not vote.

 

 

1) Agrees with Snow's reason for voting Dice which I don't think was very serious. At the very least, extremely thin.

 

2) Standard Hallia response - null.

 

3) Early town lean on Seph - interesting considering I think a few others quoted this post and said they disliked the sound of it.

 

Up through page 5:

 

Hi John, call me Dae

 

Thoughts so far? (bearing in mind i am so far off the current meta and have played with perhaps Dice and Wwwombat before only). Thoughts on three for now:

 

Darthe's call was interesting. Gut instinct is it paints a massive target on Halia for N1, with Darthe relying on her innocence to effectively vouch for him. But that play could come from Mafia or Town, could be a double bluff or could just be something to start the day off. So tough call.

 

Seph went defensive very quickly, but Wwwombat didn't even try to fabricate a reason for his vote. A more standard play for day 1 (blind accusation), and Seph possibly bit a little quickly for me. However it wasn't entirely a blind accusation as Sili had already gone for him. Bandwagon perhaps?

 

Dice... honest mistake, deliberate action, slip up? Not sure. I can understand both John's vote for him, and Andrej similarly jumping in. The problem is I smell the hint of a bandwagon here as well. Am i just being paranoid having been out for so long? Probably. 

 

I'd quite like to hear something substantive from AJ, Thane, Sooh and Hallia though (if anything for more information later on). Wombat has at least voted, but again, some more text would be useful. 

 

I'm liking your thoughts so far.  Pretty insightful.

 

As well as this, can I just say that wow.  John Snow's play is awesome.  I have him as strong town up to this point.

 

Early town lean on Dae (dead villager). I mean, the post is okay but I think this may could be scum!Hallia wanting to get on people's good sides early.

 

The red bit was talking about Snow - just reads overdone to me. More buddying?

 

H'ok

 

Yeah that sounds like some garbage Dice. True enough you "reaction test" but that's in the form of a straight forward question. Here you're saying you intentionally left a mistake to see what the outcome would be. If the mistake was that obvious John could've answered the same as either alignment so I don't see what you were hoping to gain there.

Also if I wanted to jump on you I would've voted you. Consider this as a bridge of communication because I know my ability to read you and I don't want you to swing until I'm convinced your scum. Thus far I haven't liked your posts this game and counter attacking me isn't going to help.

 

Liking AJ for town atm, I'm agreeing with his thought processes.

 

Ebwodp
I don't feel like wombat is meaning what he says.

Also my read list

John
Aj

Thane slight town


Mixed
Dae not sure at all
Sooh - sooh seems normal so far, I want to see more.

Dice mafia lean
Darthe mafia lean
Mafia
Wombat

 

Aside from the darthe lean, I kind of agree with your reads.  I'd move Dae up to a slight town lean.

 

Agrees with me irt Dice and gives me a town lean - I suppose this is consistent at least with her agreeing with Snow earlier on Dice, but still. Doesn't look good at this point in the game with Dice's progression and the lack of her own.

 

Agrees with Seph on his leans. Wants to bump Darthe/Dae up. The part that I think stands out most to me at this point is her agreeing on a scum read on Wombat without commenting on him directly herself.

 

 

 

 

So based on these Hallia's progression up to that point seemed to be:

 

John Snow

Seph

AJ

 

Darthe

Dae

 

Dice

 

Wombat

 

Some of the town leans she gives are sort of thin imo. Reads like maybe she was wanting to get on player's good sides early on. Scum reading Dice/Wombat doesn't look great on her at this point in the game but in fairness she hasn't been here to adjust. Even so - the number of town reads early and the lack of direct interaction with the people she was apparently looking at negatively strikes me as her not wanting to ruffle anyone's feathers. Gonna need a lot more before I'm anywhere close to feeling comfortable with her.

 

 

[Sili Quirrels]

Ur reaching aj... But good wim all the same. Do me next

[Andrej]

I might be. There's little content from her to really dissect but what I am seeing I don't necessarily like.

 

I think there's a decent amount of scum equity for her slot.

[Andrej]

Sili ISO - 22ish posts.

 

 

 

 

morning, happy to be here, and etc.

 

I have a feeling seph is a wolf.

 

[v]Seph[/v]

 

Think this OP is probably more neutral than anything. Could see him doing this either way regardless of Seph's alignment but not sure he would if he and Seph are w/w.

 

darthe's intros are pretty standard, afaik, so i'm not sure it would be alignment indicative, but i am curious what happened in the pokemon mafia game.

 

oh, snow, tell me about yourself. I'd like to know you better before I give you a read.

 

Talks about Darthe a bit, calls his action null.

 

Asks Snow some stuff. Don't really have much of an opinion here, sort of standard Sili stuff imo.

 

 

Sili why did you think I was a wolf off my opening post? Also I am curious, what information do you think you can obtain from someone's 1st post?

Pretty sure everyone reamed me last game when I did it.

 

it's called a meta-vote. it goes back to what i said earlier about feeling ppl out.

 

your op

 

You know nothing John snow..
Serious question, does that ever get old?

 

pinged because sometimes wolves who are nervous want to joke and ingratiate themselves with townies, before there's anything to talk about, and they go about it in a false way. when i read your post above, my first thought was why were you commenting on the inanity of a joke that became a meme in the sign-up thread.

 

Although, you could also be a villager looking to start up conversation, so here we are. I voted you with the possibility you are a wolf, to seek your reaction. And your reaction was to ask why I voted you.

 

I can see the angle he's working here but again, I don't think it'd be a hard one to press if he's a wolf and Seph is a villager. Problem is I could also see Sili taking this stance as a townie.

 

Conflicting thoughts on seph. On one hand he has good tone, meaning he seems to believe what he's saying, but on the other some things he says are ridiculous or very defensive.

 

wombat snipes, but he posts to get reactions and he's moving his vote around. although i think it's prudent to not lock him in as town, since i will acknowledge the strength his scum game, it's probably safe not to talk about him.

 

[unvote]

 

darthe, dae, john, or aj are good places to look next.

 

with respect to dice, i've seen wolves brush mistakes off as reaction tests before, so that pings me, but otherwise his tone and attitude means he's probably town.

 

This one has some decent content in there. Moves his vote off Seph and leaves him as a mixed read. Says Wombat isn't worth talking about (I agree) and town reads Dice (which I also agree with). His next four are myself, Darthe, JS, and Dae (dead villa). Kinda meh about the list without reason behind it. 

 

 

Ok so gimme some substance then. Why those four?

 

they're people i'm ambivalent towards or tilted by.

 

I'm baffled that this is what you're scum reading me for.

 

seems he's frustrated at the reason, not the scum read.

 

dae seems to be talking a lot about the mechanics early.

 

i haven't read john beyond his response to me, but he's a hot topic. @john, tell me about what sort of person u r. atm i don't have a good grip on your slot.

 

aj, u did a similar thing with yates when u were a wolf, where u were convinced he was scum based on some small slip.

 

I don't really find any of these reasons to be compelling for his stances on these players.

 

I've already addressed the point he raises with me.

 

I don't see what difference it makes if Darthe doesn't like the reason for being scum read more than the actual scum read.

 

I don't think Dae was talking at all about mechanics. He made a silly comment about lynching someone to prevent a no info NK - which was bad.

 

John is for no other reason than he's a top topic?

 

Overall seems thin and lazy imo.

 

 

 

 

 

Seph can you spell out what you're pushing me for? It changes every time you push me.

It has? This is the first time I have voted you.
Everything I mentioned from page 1-now is why I am voting you darthe.
I will note dice defense of you, and how you posted after he came in.
Could be nothing could be something

 

 Why are you focusing on Darthe rather than all the other people who could be said to be coasting?  Why not Sili who is also usually pretty active?
 
What are your reads besides Darthe?

Oh, i'm not active for a couple reasons. i've done it before, not posting a lot that is, a lot as town.

 

What about as a wolf? I don't think I've really ever seen you as scum before, but you certainly aren't playing like your usual town self.

 

 

Sili, you have one throwing axe.  Who do you blót?

cop aj or darthe
shoot whoever seems to be the lowest on the totem pole. that seems to be sooh.

 

oh, you mean who do i want to shoot.

uhm, not seph. probably aj or darthe even though they're good players.

 

Sorta meh on this whole thing. He goes on later to answer that we're the two he gets the worst vibes from but never really expounds beyond that.

 

 

 

 

Overall mixed on Sili. From what I gather he's got Seph, Wombat and Dice as town reads. I can agree with those. Darthe and I are his biggest suspects, or players he's most uncomfortable with atm. Not sure how to feel there.

 

There are some things I see from him that I think are reminiscent of his villager game but in totality his play this round feels sort of like the hollow shell of it. I can't decide whether I think he's just playing lazy villager or attempting to sort of force his town meta but not doing so very convincingly as a wolf. 

[Darthe]

Sili you really don't have enough content to be lazy yet

[Darthe]

Is that hypocritical of me?

[Andrej]

Good lord step away for two seconds...

 

Catching up.

 

Nearly 3 hours later...

 

[Andrej]

That's all for me now.

 

Gonna try to squeeze in an episode of House of Cards before the little one wakes up from his nap.

[Sili Quirrels]

I dont think of myself as lazy but i am feeling overworked and emotionally disenthused due to being at work on mobile and unable to communicate.

[dicetosser1]

Yea we had half the game voting on the trains wombat.... doesn't seem helpful.

 

2/3 mafia not on me or dae

 

 

I may be over shooting with 2/3

But mafia was not in a threat today.

 

How do you know this? 

 

no notbob I am not scum.

dice voted me because of the darthe situation.

I believe he was following wombat.

and darthe voted me because towards Eod we were going to lynch dae with 4 votes. apparently he moved it after day was over though.

If that was a mafia in trouble, there would have been more movement.

 

get it right. I started on you. I was the first vote on you. Wombat came later.

 

 

bad thread recall. seeming to have TMI while pushing mafia were not on those lynches. I dont think im moving my vote tomorrow. Of course you may get vigged but if you dont then you are gonna have to be VERY convincing or someones gonna have to be VERY scummy to get me off you tomorrow.

[Hallia]

No, I didn't finish getting caught up, we've been looking at houses for the last two days (as a side note wish us luck all! )

 

AJ's posting here and as I've read further, I'm not liking.  Call it gut or tone read, but my read on him is changing.

 

I don't think I would vote NotBob this phase. Just because his play style isn't expressive doesn't mean he's scum. That said if Dae is town he has made himself an easy target for NB as a wolf. Problem is I would attack Dae the same way as either alignment in NB's position.

I really dislike the idea of letting Dae off the hook so easily but looking at his NB vote I think the emotive reasoning behind it is probably villagery? Idk him as a player and I don't think it's a great reason to vote someone but not much I can do there.

Gut reads say I'm most likely to find wolves in Darthe/Sili/Hallia right now. I feel like Hallia went a touch overboard with some of her commentary during her short catch up that was never finished. The "wowerz you're so town John Snow" thing made me uncomfortable. Sili doesn't have 100 posts yet and isn't really doing much so that is a bad sign imo. His list of four doesn't have much reason behind it and I think the point he's wanting to raise against me isn't even factual. Darthe seems to purposefully want to play ambivalent/ambiguous this game and has had a few votes on wagons I could see as opportunistic if those players prove town in the long run. Sadly I doubt any of them get lynched toDay but that's where my head is at. Of course I could be wrong on all.

Sooh could be I suppose but I don't really believe it yet. I feel like this run up is similar to the HoC game where it happened slowly and no one really questioned it and she flipped green.

 

OY, what is wrong with fast and high, huh?  

go back and read the most recent posts of yours seph where u are chasing darthe.

 

Seriously when i hear your voice in my head a s i read this you are talking fast and high. A tone I associate with someone being up to no good and being worried about it

Dice and AJ have dropped down to scummy leans for me.

[Hallia]

I know I've had ridiculously little time to play this game this weekend, and I've apologized for it. I went to bed after that post I made, and now I've read through the thread again. I will admit that I don't have the greatest reads on D1 too, as Darthe so lovingly pointed out. I'm volunteering for a church thing today, so I hope I'll get back before EOD. 

 

Going to leave what I'm left with after quickly reading through the last ten pages, and if I have time before EOD I'll go through it again. 

 

Wombat is my biggest town read so far. I like his level of engagement and WIM. 

 

Dice seemed towny to start with, so I'll keep him there. 

 

AJ, I wish I was sure about you, but I'm not yet. The faintest of town reads I guess for now. 

 

With Darthe I need to go back and ISO before making a real opinion. 

 

Sili does seem to lack WIM like somebody pointed out. 

 

My biggest scum read for now is Dae, so I'm going to place my vote there in case I don't have time to get back before EOD. 

 

[v]Dae[/v]

Don't like this listing, particularly Dae being your biggest scum read with no reasoning at all.

[BFG]

roughly 11 hours 40 minutes for all night actions to be submitted :)

[seph]

 

Yea we had half the game voting on the trains wombat.... doesn't seem helpful.

2/3 mafia not on me or dae

 

 

 

I may be over shooting with 2/3

But mafia was not in a threat today.

 

 

How do you know this? 

 

no notbob I am not scum.

dice voted me because of the darthe situation.I believe he was following wombat.

and darthe voted me because towards Eod we were going to lynch dae with 4 votes. apparently he moved it after day was over though.

If that was a mafia in trouble, there would have been more movement.

 

 

get it right. I started on you. I was the first vote on you. Wombat came later.

 

 

bad thread recall. seeming to have TMI while pushing mafia were not on those lynches. I dont think im moving my vote tomorrow. Of course you may get vigged but if you dont then you are gonna have to be VERY convincing or someones gonna have to be VERY scummy to get me off you tomorrow.

Because the vote was between me and dae.

A 4 vote lynch is not a town consensus. Obviously at eod if there is no movement, that is not a mafia.... it seems like common sense.

 

I think you are stretching a thin argument.

 

On the get it right part, I would act to high and mighty. Pretty sure I could point the finger back at you.

The way you are coming at me.. I donno dice. I will be around here for awhile regardless of what you do.

 

Dice why don't you try to scumhunt, instead of tunnel here on me. You are wrong.

[Andrej]

Hallia I'm not sure what your first question has to do with anything.

 

And please be more specific with your read on me. It sounds like you're suffering from a bit of omgus?

[Andrej]

Just realized that question was for Dice. Still seems sort of pointless to ask of all things considering how you're scum reading him. Figured you would have a more serious question than to point out his phrasing when he was talking about how Seph was coming across in his posts.

 

What are the other reads you have?

 

I'm assuming your top suspects are myself, Dice and Sooh?

 

How about town? Who are you mixed/null on?

[Thane Vakarian]

morning all. It has been quiet, which i would deem normal for a nightphase. 

 

Glad to see Hallia finally made it in, looking forward to seeing more of her. And good luck for the househunt

[Andrej]

Good morning Thane.

[Sili Quirrels]

I'm finally home :D

[Andrej]

Congratulations.

[Thane Vakarian]

i hate waiting for nightphases to end..

[BFG]

Roughly 6 hours to deadline