House of Cards

[Cory Caboose]

Darthe did you become more like me

 

Or did I become more like you?

 

Either way I'm terrified

[Darthe]

Nyn am I going crazy???

 

I feel like village should always win this game but I keep getting weird sinking feelings

This is one of those things where I think if day was shorter we would have a more focused town and it might be +ev for our team

[Nynaeve]

Nyn am I going crazy???

 

I feel like village should always win this game but I keep getting weird sinking feelings

 

You're not crazy. I've been going back and forth on Cass myself because she's a tricky read. She has posts I like and posts I dislike. But I still think Sooh looks a lot worse, wheres I think Cass reacted better to ressure. Dice is in the PoE basically and hasn't contributed anything to the game, but he did say he would be away. So I rather see what he has to say (I think he said he was going to be more active today?). 

[Darthe]

Darthe did you become more like me

 

Or did I become more like you?

 

Either way I'm terrified

[Darthe]

I'm just gonna respond to the rest of your posts with memes today.  

 

Hope none of you have data restrictions.

[Cory Caboose]

Well Poot is avoiding the game outright and we mineswell flag her as being in anti-spew

 

She said she'd have time today and I know she is awake

[Darthe]

CORY YOU TOOK ME OVER AS TOP POSTER.

 

IN THE NIGHT!

 

 

WOOOOLLLLLLFFFFFF

[Darthe]

Well Poot is avoiding the game outright and we mineswell flag her as being in anti-spew

 

She said she'd have time today and I know she is awake

Her intro:

 

[Darthe]

Actually sooh if you could spew one of the aussies as town, either one you choose, that'd be great.

[Cass]

 

My major issue with Sooh is that my heart really wants her to be a villager and I'm finding that harder to ignore

 

This might make no sense to ANYONE but I am going to be extremely disappointed if she's a wolf and this was her approach to "clearing herself" as a wolf - abusing guilt tactics and emotional manipulation. So I want to believe she's a villager so I don't have to deal with that disappointment.

 

But that wanting doesn't make her a villager, and that's where my heart is torn.

 

I took something Mish told me once to heart - "play a beautiful game", because there's no pride in winning a game dirty like that.

 

I want to expound on this for a minute.  I play on JN as well, and I know you're familiar with a player named the Ape there - he repped JN in the Champs games last season.

 

Some time last year, I was in a JN game and was a villager.  I had Ape as a major wolf read, and was actively pushing for his lynch.  His responses made me more and more sure of my read, and I got a little excited about lynching the biggest loud mouth on the site, lol.  Well, once I stepped up my campaign, he snapped and lashed out hard with AtE.  Very hard.  He went into how he snapped at his wife because of the game, yadda yadda.

 

Needless to say, I immediately dropped it and actually cleared him as a result.  I know you're not doing that here, but I'm making a point (that I'll get to in a min).  I said that he would never do this as a villager for the same reasons you gave above - playing clean and using those emotional tactics and the disappointment I'd feel if he did it.  I was not willing to accept he could be a wolf, and dropped my campaign.

 

I ended up dead not long after, and wolves ended up winning the game.....and he was a wolf.  I was so pissed at that moment that I almost quit playing on JN altogether.  It still stings to this day, and for that reason I will be more than happy to lynch players that use excessive AtE.  Fear mongering is fine, whatever.  But AtE is lame.  No offense to you, Sooh, but I can't accept that you'd no longer want to be an active player because so many people are disagreeing with you.  I want you to be comfortable - we all do.  But saying this in-game is obviously AtE whether you intend it that way or not.  Due to my own experience on it that I've just explained, I'm going to not feel bad at all voting you towards EOD.

 

I'm not voting yet, because I still could be persuaded to vote Cass or Wombat.  Cass due to what I was talking about in my last post, and Wombat from the mini case I made on him earlier today.  Those 3 are my WTL pool for today, with the added caveat that I highly doubt Sooh & Cass are w/w.

 

 

Perhaps Sooh is my Ape here, but I have actually been at this point before, and it's hard to overcome/refrain from mentioning in the game. I still find her potentially wolfy for it and more likely wolfy for the reasons I've outlined, but I'm not sure the AtE is as alignment indicative here.

[Darthe]

Did Clov change his sig?  It's one of the best things he ever said.

[Darthe]

I stated long ago that I didn't think Sooh was doing this to try and wriggle out of a lynch.  I think she is uncomfortable as town and she didn't know how to fake her town game as a wolf.

[Darthe]

Cory are you trying to pocket me?

[Nynaeve]

@Nyn I think Cass says the right things in the wrong way a lot and Is doing that incredibly anxious paranoid thing she does. It makes it difficult to treat any of this as alignment indicative but I'm not quite sure how to get what I'm looking for out of her here. Thoughts?

 

I only played with TownCass once and that was her first game here. I think she very easily digs herself into holes she can't get out of because of how paranoid she gets and how inflated her posts are. It just comes across like she's trying to fluff up her posts. A lot of rambling and so on.

 

In the game I mentored her she was scum and actually did a descent job at shortening her posts and getting to the point. Which is why I'm somewhat surprised to see her going back to her WoTs. I'm not really sure what that means. With that said, I just reread our mentor/mintee QT and she was panicking because she couldn't think up reasons to FoS people. She couldn't think up reasons to town read people. She often stayed away from the thread because she didn't know what to say and her constant question to me was what could she to to appear townie!?!

 

All of this translated to a very rigid Cass on thread imo. I've ISOed her, and I don't think I see it here... I don't feel like she's that invested in how she comes across. She seems more focused at giving out her thoughts. Now, she's nervous as both alignments, mind. As town she's nervous she might be wrong. As scum she's nervous about getting caught. So she's never really relaxed. But I do feel like her FoSes and reads aren't forced (regardless of whether I agree with them or not). I do think that as scum it would have been easier for her to go for Sooh, who was getting attention from early on...maybe dice. Instead her suspect list contained a bunch of conensus-y town leans. Like I said earlier.... I find it a bit hard to believe that at this stage she would have the stomach to do that. More so if scum don't have communication during the day.

 

If she managed to build up her confidence to the point where she would pull off something like that.... hats off to her. She fooled me.

[Kaylee]

 

 

@Clov - dice was my N0 townie peek, not a good looking vote from you.

Makes sense for you to defend him but not for you to actively critique other players who don't have your peek. Take a look at how I've handled people on Tress as an example.

I agree with this. To this point Dice hasn't contributed much. His play isn't coming across as town to me so far.

[Darthe]

Nyn sounds like we had the same mentoring experience.  She was a wolf when I mentored her, most of our time was spent alleviating paranoia and creating shorter, more concise posts.

 

Is it weird to take the stance that Cass has low direct odds of being either alignment but I think they're lower to be wolf than town still?  

[Darthe]

 

 

@Clov - dice was my N0 townie peek, not a good looking vote from you.

Makes sense for you to defend him but not for you to actively critique other players who don't have your peek. Take a look at how I've handled people on Tress as an example.

I agree with this. To this point Dice hasn't contributed much. His play isn't coming across as town to me so far.

 

That's one of the few things Leelou has actually done this game and it pinged me.   I feel like she is probably going to be obvious if she is a wolf this round but we haven't seen enough from her to tell yet.

[Cass]

/snip

 

 

 

 

 

Stopping after page 11 but I would say it's very likely that Wombat/Verb/Cass/Sooh/Dice/Clov contains 2+ wolves

 

I will give you a better and more concise list later but right now those are the people I am most wary of

 

These sorts of posts/reads bother me Cory - how am I supposed to work out if your motivation for putting wolf suggestions out is more Town than Scum if you don't provide the reasons why/encourage more discussion?

 

 

I don't like this post.  Cory has provided a solid amount of detail on the reasons why he's reading people the way he is.  Whether or not he is correct is irrelevant to why I don't like this post - you're blatantly misrepping him here.

 

 

 

I'm highlighting that it bothers me when people don't post reasons for why they think other players are Scum, and I phrased it into a question in the hopes that Cory would start to interact. How is that misrepping?

Get back to me when you've read my reply to his reply on this. 

 

 

How?  You answered that in the same sentence, that Cory also just commented on.

 

 

I'm lost/don't see it. In my sentence or in Cory's comments. To me misrepping is blatantly twisting someones words, and I haven't done that here. I disagree that Cory has been providing detail on why he's reading people scummy - I pulled out and commented on that post for exactly that reason.

 

I just ISO'd Cory to make sure I hadn't missed something obvious and I'm still feeling mostly the same way. Perhaps it's more obvious to you and/or a difference in the definition of 'solid amount of detail'. 

[Nynaeve]

Nyn sounds like we had the same mentoring experience.  She was a wolf when I mentored her, most of our time was spent alleviating paranoia and creating shorter, more concise posts.

 

Is it weird to take the stance that Cass has low direct odds of being either alignment but I think they're lower to be wolf than town still?  

 

I know for a fact that Leelou intimidates Cass as a player. So do I. Both you and Clov mentored her and know her inner working more than most people would...... for her to pull out a suspect list of Lee, Clov, you, me... and Kaylee, who's been very townie thus far...... I don't see her doing that as a scum without her head exlpoding and anxiety shooting all over the place. Not without hardcore drugs in the mix.

 

I know this is basically a meta read but that's part of why I'd lynch Sooh over her. Plus Sooh just pings me more.

[Nynaeve]

@Cass  No offense hon <3   lol

[Darthe]

869 is probably the simple truth.  Blegh, Cass, do better.

 

AND STOP RESPONDING TO THINGS FROM TEN PAGES AGO.  I asked questions because I want you to talk to me.  

[Darthe]

I mean, the post you just quoted is two pages back.  This ain't difficult, you've gotta see what Cory and I have said.

[Cass]

@Cass-

 

I know you've posted some reads, but from the hip:  who are your top 3 wolves?

 

Wolfiest to me right now?

 

Probably Cory, AJ, Darthe. 

 

Willing to admit there is a probably a good deal of OMGUS here, especially in relation to Cory cos, recency and OMGUS.

[Verbal32]

Cass let's try this differently. Gonna need you to step it up if you're a villager so hone in on me here.

 

Respond to everything in two lines or less (apiece).

 

WhaT is your objective?

 

Who. Are your targets, based on your reads?

 

 

In brief, why? A sentence for each at most plz

 

CDV yourself, me and Wombat?

CDV me, Sooh and leelou

 

I read this in the Monty Python voice "WHAT is your quest?", lol.

 

 

 

 

Nyn sounds like we had the same mentoring experience.  She was a wolf when I mentored her, most of our time was spent alleviating paranoia and creating shorter, more concise posts.

 

Is it weird to take the stance that Cass has low direct odds of being either alignment but I think they're lower to be wolf than town still?  

 

I don't understand what you mean by this.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Clov - dice was my N0 townie peek, not a good looking vote from you.

Makes sense for you to defend him but not for you to actively critique other players who don't have your peek. Take a look at how I've handled people on Tress as an example.

I agree with this. To this point Dice hasn't contributed much. His play isn't coming across as town to me so far.

 

That's one of the few things Leelou has actually done this game and it pinged me.   I feel like she is probably going to be obvious if she is a wolf this round but we haven't seen enough from her to tell yet.

 

 

I'm gonna chime in on this one, too.  I'm confident in my ability to read Leelou.  In recent games, my reads and her alignment have gone like this:

 

I read her wolfy and it grows over time = she ends up being a wolf

I read her wolfy and it starts to dwindle over time = she ends up being a villager

I read her as a villager and it starts to dwindle over time = prob about 50/50 and where I'm wrong the most

I read her as a villager and it grows over time = she ends up being a villager

 

So I'm only worried about that 3rd line there.  The other times, I've been extremely accurate with her.  My misses have been in that villager-->wolf progression.  I don't have a real read on her yet, but I expect that to change soon as she said she'd be digging into the thread.  FWIW, snap read on the little content thus far is villager simply because of her defense of Dice.  She's not going to dance around seer cover and how to defend your peek and attack -- she's just going to attack and be blunt about it.  It is her style.  So initial village points for that.  More to come.

[Sooh]

Catching up at the moment. Like I said yesterday.. I had an exam today. I'll find out my result in about an hour... Fingers crossed it's a good one

 

As for the rest... I just don't know what to do with my reads here guys.. It's confusing. 

 

I'll start by addressing me and the way I've been posting. I have been playing a few POG games lately, and I'm liking the way they soft push one another to get D1 started. It's enlightening and provides results. Me FOS-ing Nyn was supposed to be a soft push to get an initial read. I've tried explaining this before. 

 

Then I suppose I went into defense mode. Not a very good look for neither town nor mafia. 

 

Anyway.. back to gameplay...

 

Darthe is hard to read for me this game. He seems to have done nothing but push for peeks and tunnel me. (I know you've done other stuff as well... it's just that that stood out for me the most). It's hard for me to be objective on this one since I know he's pushing a villager. 

 

Cass has been able to fool me before and might do so again. I see what you're saying about her posting the same type of game as she has done as mafia... I'm just not convinced yet. 

 

Cory - I feel the same way about you as you do about me this game. I'm not feeling Town Cory. Not 100% at least. You're maybe at 60% town for me now, and that scares me a bit. I feel like you're trying to gamesolve, and I like that about you. At the same time you have some strange posts from time to time that makes me uncertain. 

 

Verb seems to be townish for me now. 

 

I find it interesting why people are giving Leelou a pass for being inactive while being away and not the same pass to Dice. seems strange to me. 

 

Bewbs+Kaylee are town.

 

Clov - I've never seen you as scum I believe, so I don't know what to think this game... 

 

AJ is someone I have a hard time seeing as scum even when he is. 

 

 

 

Lol thanks Cory.

My strongest reads are atm

Kaylee v
Wombat v
and leaning Verbal v

Thanks for communicating with me though....

I expected to see Cory on this list since you asked him about Clov. Why not ask one of your town reads?

 

He was there at the moment and I feel like Cory would be a good one to read Clov. Other than that I also just wanted to see his response.