Pokemon Mafia IV: The Mystery of Heart Island--GAME OVER--TEAM ROCKET WIN

[John Snow]

For the (4th?) time, Hallia.

[Darthe]

Who is def town?

[John Snow]

 

 

-snip-

 

Town. And I take it with a grain of salt because the only people who know who's town or isn't are mafia. I think you're dirty. Unless someone is willing to provide evidence otherwise, I'm not taking their word on anything D1. 

 

Well, Town tend to believe and give weight to other people they think are town. That is how the game works. people think others are town and they work together to lynch the bad guys.

 

So your stance is that until someone can prove a negative (that I am not mafia) that you are going to continue with you little tunneling expedition? You keep on digging your hole. 

 

The burden of proof is on you John. 

 

 

I give weight to arguments. Right now all I see from Darthe is an opinion without evidence, which means nothing to me. 

 

And I will continue to believe you are mafia until I find reason to believe you are town. That's how this game works. You go after who you think is scum. 

[John Snow]

Who is def town?

 

On my train? Or in general?

[Turin Turambar]

Turin is prob town this game.

 

@Turin, a wtl/nwtl list is different from a town/not town list.  I'd love to see one of those from you.

That is probably a couple of hours away. But I told you a complete list would have to wait earlier..

[Darthe]

 

Who is def town?

 

On my train? Or in general?

 

Train

[Turin Turambar]

My reads atm btw:

 

Town:

EP

Seph

Eldrick

Darthe

 

Scum:

Turin

Hallia

 

I like Hallia's case, but with 3 days left and her already at 4 votes I want to see what other pressure we can get.

I am apparently mafia to you here. 

 

Huh I though I remembered it being higher. Take their word on it over mine. (Or, hey, Turin you could just tell us how many people are on your team )

 

Also, Turin, could you post a reads list? 

this is insinuating that I am mafia.

 

 

 

Huh I though I remembered it being higher. Take their word on it over mine. (Or, hey, Turin you could just tell us how many people are on your team )

 

Also, Turin, could you post a reads list? 

 

I don't know how many other townies are out there.

 

John, I think you should probably start posting funny cat pictures. The bolded is a projection joke like the one you made to Ithi last game about the QT.

 

[unvote]

[v] John Snow [/v]

 

 

OMGUS harder bro.

 

I saw this while looking at the rest of it and thought that you never responded to the direct insinuation. That your play this game is strikingly similar to your play last game in which you were mafia and tried to "joke" push at a town Ithi.   Remember last game when you used OMGUS as a push against Seph before having to back down off it? You should really try to mix it up a bit.

 

 

John Snow, if you're town who is the wolf on your train?

 

 

Just because I'm town doesn't mean that there's exactly one scum on my train. There could easily be none or two regardless of my alignment. 

 

I already said I like EP's case on Hallia. I'd switch to her in a New York minute if I thought it would do any good, but atm I'm more interested in getting more info from everyone else in the game. There's still plenty of time before the DL as I said earlier. 

 

Here all he talks about is Hallia. Hallia he would switch to. He implies here that his push at me is about information not lynching mafia.

 

So where's the wolf?

Darthe asks again...

 

For the (4th?) time, Hallia.

John answers Hallia. Hallia, Hallia, Hallia. (four times) Yet I am voting him and he seems to be trying to say that I am definitely mafia earlier. But push comes to shove and I'm not mafia?

 

He doesn't even believe it  That's why he doesn't answer that Turin is mafia. Come on John,  make the statement.

 

Say it for me John:

 

Turin is mafia.  

Hallia is mafia.

John Snow is mafia.

 

Why don't you go ahead and make a list like that with everyone on it. I'm a gonna do min here in a few minutes.

[TheMasterDude]

Im starting to agree with the [vote john snow] people.

[TheMasterDude]

[v]vote john snow[/v]

Lets try this again...

[Darthe]

Yeah me too.  Consistency but not any development.  I'll look into it more later.

[Turin Turambar]

1. Hallia is town. I am not fond of how her train rose up. 
2. RTE is town. I don't remember much tht he said but I don't rememeber anything he said that made me go "RTE is mafia" he usually does when is is maf.
3. Firebird (EP) is mafia. He is sadly mistaken if he really believes he knows Ithi's mafia meta. I think that is a lie to try to look like he is town. 
4. Mashiara is town. Noob pass for the moment. Nothing that can't be explained away by newness.
5. dice is town. Stoopid comment is one I don't think he makes as mafia. Especially since I think it would be about teammates.
6. seph is town. From early posting. Did he say he would be away? I don't recall hearing from him lately.
7. TMD is town. Posts coming across as irritated town WRT the postcount thing.  I say again postcount=/=town. 
8. Eldrick is town. This is only because I don't think both of them are mafia having that converstion and I recall Eldrick being one to freely talk about setup. He was mafia then however. Has there been a thread started about percentage based NAs on the main board? (Stole that form Ithi) 
9. cory is town. This is Ithi's slot. Not lynching here today.
10. Zander is mafia.  I still can't shake that early game stuff. Feels like too much trying to force meta.  
11. Turin is town
12. Ley is mafia. I really think that the conversation about mafia actions and then the venture into boosting / deboosting percentages is more a mafia POV. Who can more easily work together? the town that doesn't know who else is on their team or the mafia that can plan how to integrate actions?
13. Thane is mafia. This was a weak read.I don't like the parked vote to start or the bit of setup in his reads list. Also the lack of any background info troubles me. If this is wrong then it is most likely Eldrick.
14. John Snow is mafia. Pushing at Darthe early for trying to lead town. He said later it was because he felt Darthe trying to raise above the fray but Darthe's posts didn't read that way to me at all. I think he took a reason I have given to distrust Darthe in other games and regurgitated it to me in hopes I would be swayed. Add in his being convinced i'm mafia but not acknowledging that I could be the mafia on his train smacks of contradiction in his thought process. 
15. Darthe is town. He WASN"T trying to make everyone read him as LOCK CLEAR. He was driving conversation. I can actually follow his thoughts for the most part this game.

[John Snow]

 

My reads atm btw:

 

Town:

EP

Seph

Eldrick

Darthe

 

Scum:

Turin

Hallia

 

I like Hallia's case, but with 3 days left and her already at 4 votes I want to see what other pressure we can get.

I am apparently mafia to you here. 

 

Huh I though I remembered it being higher. Take their word on it over mine. (Or, hey, Turin you could just tell us how many people are on your team )

 

Also, Turin, could you post a reads list? 

this is insinuating that I am mafia.

 

 

 

Huh I though I remembered it being higher. Take their word on it over mine. (Or, hey, Turin you could just tell us how many people are on your team )

 

Also, Turin, could you post a reads list? 

 

I don't know how many other townies are out there.

 

John, I think you should probably start posting funny cat pictures. The bolded is a projection joke like the one you made to Ithi last game about the QT.

 

[unvote]

[v] John Snow [/v]

 

 

OMGUS harder bro.

 

I saw this while looking at the rest of it and thought that you never responded to the direct insinuation. That your play this game is strikingly similar to your play last game in which you were mafia and tried to "joke" push at a town Ithi.   Remember last game when you used OMGUS as a push against Seph before having to back down off it? You should really try to mix it up a bit.

 

It's a game. I make jokes. I have fun. You're trying to meta me off of the one other game I have played recently. Ever think that it's how I play in general and unrelated to how I play as mafia?

 

 

John Snow, if you're town who is the wolf on your train?

 

 

Just because I'm town doesn't mean that there's exactly one scum on my train. There could easily be none or two regardless of my alignment. 

 

I already said I like EP's case on Hallia. I'd switch to her in a New York minute if I thought it would do any good, but atm I'm more interested in getting more info from everyone else in the game. There's still plenty of time before the DL as I said earlier. 

 

Here all he talks about is Hallia. Hallia he would switch to. He implies here that his push at me is about information not lynching mafia.

 

So where's the wolf?

Darthe asks again...

 

For the (4th?) time, Hallia.

John answers Hallia. Hallia, Hallia, Hallia. (four times) Yet I am voting him and he seems to be trying to say that I am definitely mafia earlier. But push comes to shove and I'm not mafia?

 

I was going off of the vote count from page 16 or w/e. I forgot that you had voted me since then. 

 

He doesn't even believe it  That's why he doesn't answer that Turin is mafia. Come on John,  make the statement.

 

Say it for me John:

 

Turin is mafia.  

Hallia is mafia.

John Snow is mafia.

 

Why don't you go ahead and make a list like that with everyone on it. I'm a gonna do min here in a few minutes.

 

 

If you search the deep recesses of your mind, you'll recall that I was the first one today to post said list, though I left the null tells just off of the list. 

 

 

My reads atm btw:

 

Town:

EP

Seph

Eldrick

Darthe

 

Scum:

Turin

Hallia

 

I like Hallia's case, but with 3 days left and her already at 4 votes I want to see what other pressure we can get.

 

[Darthe]

I believe that you'd not fake that RTE read unless you're a wolf with him (unlikely).  I also have you as town.  

 

Ley isn't a wolf here I don't think.  He generally tries to involve himself with things more as a wolf, actively attempting to manipulate situations.  Could be too early to really develop that read but he def has a D1 pass from me.  

 

Similarly EP is being perfectly obstinate but he is pure town this game and I'll fight for that read.  He presents his thoughts as he has them and you can clearly follow them down the thread (mostly, which is a lot for EP).  

 

You're right about your Dice read imo.  Seph too.

 

Zander could be a wolf but he has done this in every single game he was in and flips town each time so I am not giving that weight yet.  

 

Thane I'd like to see more on if you want to pursue that.  

 

I'ma lynch you if you clear the Ithi slot for being Ithi.  It'll irk me and increases your wolfiness by at least 40%

[John Snow]

 

 

Who is def town?

 

On my train? Or in general?

 

Train

 

 

John Snow -- Zander, dice, Turin, Hallia, TMD

 

Current train I think.

 

I don't know what the whole Zander thing was about, I'll have to reread the beginning of the game to see. 

 

Dice I have as slight town. Going to put a more detailed list up here in a few. 

[Darthe]

Snow, I'm bored with you defending yourself.

 

Tell me in one sentence why you're town and give me your reads for the people on your train plz.  Next post.

[John Snow]

-snip-

14. John Snow is mafia. Pushing at Darthe early for trying to lead town. He said later it was because he felt Darthe trying to raise above the fray but Darthe's posts didn't read that way to me at all. I think he took a reason I have given to distrust Darthe in other games and regurgitated it to me in hopes I would be swayed. Add in his being convinced i'm mafia but not acknowledging that I could be the mafia on his train smacks of contradiction in his thought process. 

15. Darthe is town. He WASN"T trying to make everyone read him as LOCK CLEAR. He was driving conversation. I can actually follow his thoughts for the most part this game.

 

I don't care about your other games, nor have I read them. I don't care about the game enough to go back and read previous games on the hope that I'd see something that I could use. Way too much work. Take off the tinfoil hat. 

[Turin Turambar]

Please John. You FORGOT I voted you even though you bothered to post about it to say how it was an OMGUS? That sounds as believable as your doctor/dentist appointment running over by 3.5 hours. To put it mildly:

 

 

You have used that "I make jokes " thing before. It isn't the joke itself, but the intent of said joke. 

 

Finally, Your list looks nothing like mine. 

 

Play better.

[John Snow]

Snow, I'm bored with you defending yourself.

 

Tell me in one sentence why you're town and give me your reads for the people on your train plz.  Next post.

 

Instead of jumping on the easy train and coasting by (see Hallia), I'm pushing for reads and information from other places (see Turin).

 

Zander-neutral

dice-slight town

Turin-scum

Hallia-scum

TMD-slight scum. Don't like his vote on you from before. 

 

I'd probably say I think Hallia's more scummy than Turin.

[Turin Turambar]

I believe that you'd not fake that RTE read unless you're a wolf with him (unlikely).  I also have you as town.  

 

Ley isn't a wolf here I don't think.  He generally tries to involve himself with things more as a wolf, actively attempting to manipulate situations.  Could be too early to really develop that read but he def has a D1 pass from me.  

 

Similarly EP is being perfectly obstinate but he is pure town this game and I'll fight for that read.  He presents his thoughts as he has them and you can clearly follow them down the thread (mostly, which is a lot for EP).  

 

You're right about your Dice read imo.  Seph too.

 

Zander could be a wolf but he has done this in every single game he was in and flips town each time so I am not giving that weight yet.  

 

Thane I'd like to see more on if you want to pursue that.  

 

I'ma lynch you if you clear the Ithi slot for being Ithi.  It'll irk me and increases your wolfiness by at least 40%

Bold: You use  a double negative there Darthe. It reads like you are saying you really do think Ley is mafia. The follow up actually supports that line of thought. He is trying to manipulate the discussion about mafia NKs. It is too early and not productive at this point. Also, We as town will never know for sure what the mechanic is until the game is over. 

 

EP could be bias so I am trying to not push too much there. There were a few things that he said I disagree with completely.

 

Zander, It will get used and it felt like it was to me. I am keeping an eye on him. He kinda vanished for him anyway when he was a hot topic. 

 

I said Thane was the weakest. It just doesn't ring true to me. 

 

Ithi was being Ithi. And therefore Town. It wasn't because who she is, it is how she played. I'm not giving out my Ithi reads anymore I think. It causes nothing but trouble. Besides she isn't in the game anymore. I guess we will have to wait until that slot gets replaced.  Oh and I don't think I'm getting lynched this game. Just a feeling. Killed is likely, but not lynched.

 

Darthe, did you notie the difference between my list and John's? Simple yes or no.

 

I'm pretty sure that Snow is mafia. 

[John Snow]

Going to put a more detailed list up here in a few. 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe, did you notie the difference between my list and John's? Simple yes or no.

 

I'm pretty sure that Snow is mafia. 

 

 

 

Calm your tits, I'm working on it. I need to reread a few of the more inactive people. 

[Darthe]

If by difference you mean different reads then yes.  If there is something else I'm supposed to see I'm not getting it yet.

[Darthe]

Double negative of isn't a wolf I don't think?  That says is town I think.

[Gabriel Kross]

1. Hallia is town. I am not fond of how her train rose up. 

2. RTE is town. I don't remember much tht he said but I don't rememeber anything he said that made me go "RTE is mafia" he usually does when is is maf.

3. Firebird (EP) is mafia. He is sadly mistaken if he really believes he knows Ithi's mafia meta. I think that is a lie to try to look like he is town. 

4. Mashiara is town. Noob pass for the moment. Nothing that can't be explained away by newness.

5. dice is town. Stoopid comment is one I don't think he makes as mafia. Especially since I think it would be about teammates.

6. seph is town. From early posting. Did he say he would be away? I don't recall hearing from him lately.

7. TMD is town. Posts coming across as irritated town WRT the postcount thing.  I say again postcount=/=town. 

8. Eldrick is town. This is only because I don't think both of them are mafia having that converstion and I recall Eldrick being one to freely talk about setup. He was mafia then however. Has there been a thread started about percentage based NAs on the main board? (Stole that form Ithi) 

9. cory is town. This is Ithi's slot. Not lynching here today.

10. Zander is mafia.  I still can't shake that early game stuff. Feels like too much trying to force meta.  

11. Turin is town

12. Ley is mafia. I really think that the conversation about mafia actions and then the venture into boosting / deboosting percentages is more a mafia POV. Who can more easily work together? the town that doesn't know who else is on their team or the mafia that can plan how to integrate actions?

13. Thane is mafia. This was a weak read.I don't like the parked vote to start or the bit of setup in his reads list. Also the lack of any background info troubles me. If this is wrong then it is most likely Eldrick.

14. John Snow is mafia. Pushing at Darthe early for trying to lead town. He said later it was because he felt Darthe trying to raise above the fray but Darthe's posts didn't read that way to me at all. I think he took a reason I have given to distrust Darthe in other games and regurgitated it to me in hopes I would be swayed. Add in his being convinced i'm mafia but not acknowledging that I could be the mafia on his train smacks of contradiction in his thought process. 

15. Darthe is town. He WASN"T trying to make everyone read him as LOCK CLEAR. He was driving conversation. I can actually follow his thoughts for the most part this game.

did you forget I started playing around the same time as Ithi? Did you also forget that whenever Ithi is town she pushes hard at me on Day 1? Furthermore did you forget she did nothing of the sort in this game? Your point sir: Invalid.

 

 

I believe that you'd not fake that RTE read unless you're a wolf with him (unlikely).  I also have you as town.  

 

Ley isn't a wolf here I don't think.  He generally tries to involve himself with things more as a wolf, actively attempting to manipulate situations.  Could be too early to really develop that read but he def has a D1 pass from me.  

 

Similarly EP is being perfectly obstinate but he is pure town this game and I'll fight for that read.  He presents his thoughts as he has them and you can clearly follow them down the thread (mostly, which is a lot for EP).  

 

You're right about your Dice read imo.  Seph too.

 

Zander could be a wolf but he has done this in every single game he was in and flips town each time so I am not giving that weight yet.  

 

Thane I'd like to see more on if you want to pursue that.  

 

I'ma lynch you if you clear the Ithi slot for being Ithi.  It'll irk me and increases your wolfiness by at least 40%

Bold: You use  a double negative there Darthe. It reads like you are saying you really do think Ley is mafia. The follow up actually supports that line of thought. He is trying to manipulate the discussion about mafia NKs. It is too early and not productive at this point. Also, We as town will never know for sure what the mechanic is until the game is over. 

 

EP could be bias so I am trying to not push too much there. There were a few things that he said I disagree with completely.

 

Zander, It will get used and it felt like it was to me. I am keeping an eye on him. He kinda vanished for him anyway when he was a hot topic. 

 

I said Thane was the weakest. It just doesn't ring true to me. 

 

Ithi was being Ithi. And therefore Town. It wasn't because who she is, it is how she played. I'm not giving out my Ithi reads anymore I think. It causes nothing but trouble. Besides she isn't in the game anymore. I guess we will have to wait until that slot gets replaced.  Oh and I don't think I'm getting lynched this game. Just a feeling. Killed is likely, but not lynched.

 

Darthe, did you notie the difference between my list and John's? Simple yes or no.

 

I'm pretty sure that Snow is mafia. 

 

then say what you disagree with, if you have opinions voice them. I also disagree with your double negative comment Turin it reads Darthe thinks he is town.

[Darthe]

@EP, you haven't played in a long time and Ithi calmed down a lot this game.  That meta isn't going to hold up at all on her slot.  

 

I dislike the double negative thing but I don't think it is alignment indicative.  Turin would only gain negative attention from it and for what?  

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

Ley isn't a wolf here I don't think.  He generally tries to involve himself with things more as a wolf, actively attempting to manipulate situations.  Could be too early to really develop that read but he def has a D1 pass from me.  

 

Let's break it down like math.

 

 

Ley is NOT a wolf here I do NOT think.

 

eliminate the two negatives which would cancel out and you get...

 

 

Ley is a wolf here I do think.

 

Rearrange for syntax...

 

I do think Ley is a wolf here.

 

 

Maybe it is me, but I think I broke that sentence down properly.

 

As to the lists, whatever. Someone else will point it out I believe.