Escape From The Carnival Of Horrors! Game Thread [Mafia Win]

[Kaylee]

I'd expect more from Hally if she were town tbh. Leaning scum on her. She recently said she'd be back and post thoughts. So far she hasn't done that. That was yesterday that she said that I believe

[Sili Quirrels]

Sili is in firm Redzone now.

Why?

 

The no-vote thing is busted. My posts at eod are very indicative of the stance I've taken, and I am clearly not trying to obfuscate vote analysis.

 

So, uhm, is there anything else you would like to case me on?

[Andrej]

It's going to be Nolder, Leelou and Thane.

 

I would bet the house on that.

 

IF I'm wrong, I would retake a look at players like Kaylee or Red (although Red's newest post putting Nolder in the lead probably clears her), but knowing that this will make me sound conceited I really doubt that I'm mistaken with my reads.

 

Here's the thing, I've been playing today with the knowledge that Nolder is guilty.

 

I tracked him last Night and sure enough, he visited Nynaeve. Withstanding there being some kind of manipulation role, this is about as sure fire as it gets. I contemplated holding off on revealing since it seems Nolder might swing today as it were, but I still feel like this knowledge is important and should be shared in the event that I'm killed without revealing. I don't want my posts to be looked at in hindsight and for others to think I mean things I didn't when my role is revealed.

 

Presumably, I have went back and looked at various players' reads list and their interactions with my known guilty target and have kind of crunched the numbers a bit. Sorry that I had to string you along Sili, but I asked pointed questions at the beginning of this phase purposely to see where you would land irt Nolder. I feel reasonably safe seeing as how he focused his attention on you the most to keep from actually scum hunting that you are probably clear. I feel similarly about Hallia, not just because of their back and forth but because of some of the others things that she pointed out in her last posts that coincide with how I'm seeing the game. I'll pull quotes and what not to show what I'm talking about but based on the way Nolder and others have regarded each other and my own feelings on the player list I am about 92% confident that all the Mafia are in Nolder, Leelou & Thane.

[Tommyrod]

I've been away this weekend, will get a VC now...

[Tommyrod]

D2.3 Vote Count

 

Nolder (3): Andrej, Sili Quirrels, Red

Hallia (2): Leelou, TinaHel

 

Not Voting (6): Verbal32, Thane Vakarian, Hallia, Nolder, The Crusher, Kaylee

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[Cory Caboose]

[Kaylee]

It's going to be Nolder, Leelou and Thane.

 

I would bet the house on that.

 

IF I'm wrong, I would retake a look at players like Kaylee or Red (although Red's newest post putting Nolder in the lead probably clears her), but knowing that this will make me sound conceited I really doubt that I'm mistaken with my reads.

 

Here's the thing, I've been playing today with the knowledge that Nolder is guilty.

 

I tracked him last Night and sure enough, he visited Nynaeve. Withstanding there being some kind of manipulation role, this is about as sure fire as it gets. I contemplated holding off on revealing since it seems Nolder might swing today as it were, but I still feel like this knowledge is important and should be shared in the event that I'm killed without revealing. I don't want my posts to be looked at in hindsight and for others to think I mean things I didn't when my role is revealed.

 

Presumably, I have went back and looked at various players' reads list and their interactions with my known guilty target and have kind of crunched the numbers a bit. Sorry that I had to string you along Sili, but I asked pointed questions at the beginning of this phase purposely to see where you would land irt Nolder. I feel reasonably safe seeing as how he focused his attention on you the most to keep from actually scum hunting that you are probably clear. I feel similarly about Hallia, not just because of their back and forth but because of some of the others things that she pointed out in her last posts that coincide with how I'm seeing the game. I'll pull quotes and what not to show what I'm talking about but based on the way Nolder and others have regarded each other and my own feelings on the player list I am about 92% confident that all the Mafia are in Nolder, Leelou & Thane.

Well this makes voting today easy.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

[Kaylee]

I'd have to look back at Lee and Thane tonight when I have more time to do so. I know Thane doesn't have much. I also want to look at everyone I'm less sure of. It'll be night phase but at least it should help me make a better stand.

 

If Nol flips scum, as I'm expecting he will after AJ's reveal, then I think Sili is more likely town.

[Sili Quirrels]

It's going to be Nolder, Leelou and Thane.

 

I would bet the house on that.

 

IF I'm wrong, I would retake a look at players like Kaylee or Red (although Red's newest post putting Nolder in the lead probably clears her), but knowing that this will make me sound conceited I really doubt that I'm mistaken with my reads.

 

Here's the thing, I've been playing today with the knowledge that Nolder is guilty.

 

I tracked him last Night and sure enough, he visited Nynaeve. Withstanding there being some kind of manipulation role, this is about as sure fire as it gets. I contemplated holding off on revealing since it seems Nolder might swing today as it were, but I still feel like this knowledge is important and should be shared in the event that I'm killed without revealing. I don't want my posts to be looked at in hindsight and for others to think I mean things I didn't when my role is revealed.

 

Presumably, I have went back and looked at various players' reads list and their interactions with my known guilty target and have kind of crunched the numbers a bit. Sorry that I had to string you along Sili, but I asked pointed questions at the beginning of this phase purposely to see where you would land irt Nolder. I feel reasonably safe seeing as how he focused his attention on you the most to keep from actually scum hunting that you are probably clear. I feel similarly about Hallia, not just because of their back and forth but because of some of the others things that she pointed out in her last posts that coincide with how I'm seeing the game. I'll pull quotes and what not to show what I'm talking about but based on the way Nolder and others have regarded each other and my own feelings on the player list I am about 92% confident that all the Mafia are in Nolder, Leelou & Thane.

No worries. Just glad I'm not crazy when I call Nolder's list bad.

[Kaylee]

1. Verbal32 - Town

 

2. Sili Quirrels - not sure honestly keep going back and forth, will look at him more tomorrow night.

 

3. Thane Vakarian - an

other i need to look back on.

 

4. Hallia - Null to scum. Leaning scum from the EOD and lack of content. I know she's done that as town too though so hoping she comes back soon...

 

5. Nolder- another one I keep going back and forth on. Leaning town atm.

 

6. TinaHel- town lean

 

7. The Crusher- first game together so Unsure need to go back through.

 

9. Leelou- Leaning scum. Mostly has to do with my strong town read of Verb and his feelings on her tbh.

 

10. Kaylee

 

11. Andrej- feeling town but the exchange with Verbal has me questioning that...

 

13. Red2111- IDK. Really need to read back through. I liked her bulldog reaction on me. Made it fell like her town game but will read through again.

Quoting this for easy reach later when I can get on and look deeper.

[Niniel]

Good use of you na, AJ.

 

[unvote]

 

[v] Nolder [/v]

[Andrej]

I've pulled together all the posts where each of these 3 have made a reads list of some sort. If you look at them and then compare it to their gameplay with each other you'll probably notice some glaring inconsistencies that I usually associate with Mafia partners awkwardly trying to maintain a balance of distance and suspicion while appearing natural.

 

Nolder

 

 

Ok I'm caught up. 

There's nothing to comment on really imo.

Everyone is still just going on about Sili's idea and what they think others would think and blah blah blah.

 

Moving past that, Tina kind of had a cold opening was hoping for a bit more from her.

Verbal is on top of his game today imo gonna keep eyes on him.

Andrej is moving back into my null pile. Sorry dude you just look like you're piggybacking off what other people are saying.

I'm worried about Hallia this is the type of behavior she has when scum imo. A hit and run.

Crusher and Red both had typical posts but glad to see they aren't MIA.

 

Hmm after thinking about it only two people I'm worried about right now are Thane and Dice.

Thane I just haven't seen anything notable from whatsoever and Dice got kind of defensive over the "strong/weak" thing.

Which to be fair could have been just a natural reaction to being called weak.

 

I'm going to vote Thane for now and see where that goes.

 

[v]Thane[/v]

 

Not a ton of stuff here to really comment on. The reads list at face value is decent and fits along with where we were in the game at the time. The vote on Thane doesn't carry a lot of conviction imo and later he moves to Sili anyway and would remain there thru EOD.

 

 

1. Verbal32

13. Red2111

8. Nynaeve

9. Leelou

10. Kaylee

4. Hallia

6. TinaHel

7. The Crusher

11. Andrej

12. dicetosser1

2. Sili Quirrels

3. Thane Vakarian

 

 

The split here is interesting to me. Up to this point Nolder and Leelou hadn't interacted much that I can recall and the most commentary they had offered each other were that they liked each other's posts. Thane being in the bottom doesn't surprise me considering the heat he was taking at the time.

 

Here's my thoughts on everyone currently.

Verbal32 - I think he's town. He definitely had a good start and imo Verbal's scum game is to lurk and argue a lot. I would like more insight from him but I know he's been busy and now we're on the weekend. Only thing I want to note on the chance that my read is wrong is that I didn't like the fact that he voted nobody D1.

Sili Quirrels - I have mixed feelings about Sili. The main thing I had going with him I was wrong about but there's other stuff I don't like (ex. Hallia seems Halliaish) but most of it could probably be dismissed as him just being a weird player. Also the fact that he says he was fine with lynching Dice but never voted him still bothers me. I'm still leaning scum though but I think I'm going to back off for now since arguing with him has become distracting. If he is scum I have no doubt he'll go on to show it more and more.

Thane Vakarian - Still leaning scum on him. I don't recall him posting since Nyn's flip so nothing's changed here other than the fact that I want him to post more.

Hallia - Still sticking to what I last said. I think Hallia is meeting her scum MO which is to hit and run and lurk until called out. Also her overall postcount/activity is very low. That's par the course as some have pointed out but when she IS town her posts are usually more meaningful than what we're seeing right now imo. Also she never responded to what I asked her last time she voted for me. I see she's made a few posts though which I haven't read so maybe she did finally respond.

TinaHel - Quiet but that's not unusual for her. Would like to see some more posts since I think she's the lowest poster besides Hallia. Null.

The Crusher - Crusher usually isn't like your regular go to scumhunter. He usually relies on meta and gut instincts so it's not unusual for him to just joke around. That said he knows people know this and abuses that meta as scum. I believe Verbal noted this earlier which is another reason I feel good about him. Anyway if Crusher doesn't kick into gear he's probably scum. Null.

Leelou - I don't really remember too much from Leelou but what I do remember wasn't anything bad. I feel like she might be relying on Verbal declaring her town finally which makes me paranoid that they're scum together and it's all an act. Wanna see a bit more interaction with other people from her. Null leaning town.

Kaylee - Kind of the same case as Leelou in that I don't remember too much of what she's said but what I do remember I don't like. Particularly her vote on Dice. Actually that's the only thing that's really bugging me. I need to go back and check who it was that came up with the active lurking case first. I'll note to be fair that just because someone wasn't first doesn't mean they can't see the same thing and agree. But that said I WOULD feel better if Kaylee was the first. Maybe just need to see her making more cases on people. Null leaning scum.

Andrej - Completely null. I keep flip flopping on Andrej. Sometimes I feel like he's following other people and just leeching off their gameplay and then he gets more involved for awhile and then he falls back into the background again. Maybe that's kind of a good thing since when you're a loud mouth like me you just argue with people for 20 pages and get nothing done. Anyway I have no damn idea what AJ's alignment is.

Red2111 - Really worried about Red as I noted when looking at her vote. In fact, following up on that I think it's safe to say she's my biggest scumread. I'd like to see her address what I've said when she gets the chance.

 

I've enlarged and bolded Nolder's comments about Leelou and Thane in this one. He is maintaining his distance from Thane while keeping other players such as Red (who was previously in his blues) higher on his list of suspects. This reads to me like an attempt to cover him in the event that Thane dies and flips red.

 

The comments about Leelou I find particularly interesting. He doesn't remember her posts but at the same time isn't bothered by that. I also like the ploy he's establishing here by linking her to Verb in the event that she is killed first.

 

 

 

Thane

 

 

 

So, yeah, it's me. I'm here, and i'll add my little thought:

 

I feel that the first wolf picked one person they can easily distance themselves from, and one they hold a bit closer. Now, good players know how to mask that, so let's play and find out who are the wolves and get them *nod*

 

 

 

@mods: really like the opening posts, adds good plavor to the game

 

I think it was Sili who pointed this out in the beginning for bugging him, but in hindsight I think this is Thane actually making a pretty blatant slip. Or maybe slip isn't even the word for it. More like a monologue of what happened when the Mafia team was picked. Sort of fits, no?

 

 

 

 

So, here it is. Trying to get things here that stick out to me for each player. I can miss things.. still human.. my apologies. 

 

1. Verbal32: Comes in page 4, sorta nullifies the discussion of the previous 3 pages. Seems he thinks the discussion about the ongoing topic is irrelevant. Is it? Asks who didn't check in yet, but doesn't acknowledge the reply to it, nor mentions it again. post 80 for me feels like a soft defense of dice. Little FoS in post 90 directed at Tina. Convo between him and Crusher about BooBoo.. which is null to me. Ongoing, i find it odd that, even when he said 'start over' in his opening post, he's still going on about the first couple of pages.. Post 155, finally, SPIDEY! And, finally, a FoS at Kaylee after she reacted on Nyn's iso of Sili, followed by a suspicious look at Red.

2. Sili Quirrels:starts the first discussion of the game, and basically takes a lot of heat for it afterwards up to the point where he genuinly gets annoyed and angry. That's my impression. I do agree with his post #24, with which Nyn and Kaylee disagree. Posting on a phone does change your style some. Tends to be shorter post than usual, imo. Mentions he doesn't like my first post, too sure-footed. Red votes me for the opposite reason..... i do want to believe he's town here... but i can't be sure (yet). Seems to want to solve the game. Annoying skittle post...  

4. Hallia: comes in on page 6, asking if we can't agree we're all strong players. Dunno what to make of  that... looking to end conflict/discussion about the ongoing topic? Agrees with Verb next post, then is absent. Votes Nolder, over something i don't think a big deal. If you want people to read you better, post more content. 

5. Nolder: Like Red, votes me. Ok, no problem, i understand. But yeah, not many posts to work with, actually. Comes in and participates in Sili's famous discussion early game. Explains his playstyle in post 146, and in post 147 votes. Little FoS at Tina... but, imo, nothing wrong with being cautious early game. Defends his suspicion of Hallia post 204

6. TinaHel: here goes: this post seems like a lot of words to say: Sili seems town, but i'm not sure. Seems to be focused on SIli early game. Why him? Some more Sili posts, then asks AJ about 'clearing Kaylee', which earns her a FoS by AJ later on. Agrees with Nyn that Nolder is odd. Continues convo with AJ about Kaylee.Ends up voting AJ, adding a reads list. 

7. The Crusher: some joking with verbal, which is null. Other than that, left no particular impression on me. Null at best for the moment.

8. Nynaeve: page one, something stands out... Sili saw it too... opening post said it was D1, and she still assumed it was N0. Seems unlikely mistake for her... less posts than i'd have expected from her by now. Agrees with Verbals take on the early game discussion, which is in line with her thoughts page 1. Questions Leelou about her liking Nolder, which is absolutely legit imo. Nyn easily accepts that Leelou 'will be back later for indepth thoughts' though... , so yeah... seems off. Questions Kaylee for her reads, kaylee replies here (will come back to that). Doesn't follow up on the questioning.. the answer was enough, or the question just for show? Doesn't like Nolder this game, as seen here. Asks Crusher for reads. Don't remember seeing any elaborate reads from her though. 

9. Leelou: Likes Nolders posting here, but, based om what? Admitted she just skimmed through the thread, so it seems very odd that it looks good for her. 

10. Kaylee: Jumps into the discussion with Sili from page one on. Works the same way i do, not trusting anybody untill cleared for her.  So, here, explains why she likes Nyn, verb and AJ. But, if Verb is in townrange for her, and says Nyn could be either alignment, shouldn't she be more wary of Nyn? Continues "Sili's chat" with AJ. Says Tina is town. Later, follows Nyn in her vote on Sili. What i lack from her are elaborate reads, her own casing. Seems more likely to follow than to scumhunt.   

11. Andrej: how'd he get so many posts? seems to be agreeing to a lot of people in general. Asks around, goes into conversations, but i lack the fulltownAJ for the moment. As i said before, most of his posts flew right under my radar. Either i naturally don't suspect him (which would be dangerous) or he deliberately posts so he doesn't stand out much.... 

12. dicetosser1: Still an ongoing struggle with Sili. Feels like town vs town to me for now. Other then the discussion with Sili, not much to go on. based on that, townish pile for now though.

13. Red2111: not a LOT of posts... we'll see where we'll get to. Votes me to get talking. Well, i'm working on it. Doing this entire thing at work, is not easy. In my defense: i could just slack it off and be done with it, but i'm still trying to play the game. Hopefully you'll see that soon. Said here who your top candidates were.20 posts later, none of those are in your pool of suspects... not a lot of posts between  first suspects and second suspects... makes me wary. Misunderstanding between her and Sili over the go-getter.... or overly defensive? Last post looks a bit better, but yeah... not convinced of town, at all.

 

 

 

This list has already been beaten to death by several players D1 for it's nature of being a recap over actual analysis, so I spoilered it be more easy on the eyes. Not a ton to really note here as he doesn't actually make any significant reads but I do remember Nolder making a swipe at this at one point, as well as other Thane posts, calling it typical scum behavior. More distancing imo.

 

based on all of that, my main scum suspects, in no particular order: Red, AJ, Kaylee, Leelou.

 

Just want to note that I have town reads on both Red and Kaylee and that Leelou is probably purposefully listed last here to maintain that 'natural' feeling I was talking about earlier.

 

on a more serious note: 

 

Red: the fact that there's only 20 posts between a first and second list of suspects, i find that a very short time to change your mind or get better reads on people. It makes me suspicious, very suspicious. I think that one of those was just posted to put something out there.Your recent posts aren't too bad, but i'm going with my gut feeling that you're not trying to escape. 

 

AJ: i don't know why, but yeah, there's something off this game. usually, we get to the point where we're happy town together, but i don't see it happening just yet. I can't remember his posts. And i don't know why. I can not clear him as town. Not yet. Perhaps later. 

 

Leelou: imo, you can't from an opinion or a read on someone just from skimming the thread, which she appearantly did. Makes me wonder if she knows more or not. 

 

Kaylee: recent posts look better.... but i still have the impression she's more following than hunting. Which is an excellent thing, if you don't want to lynch fellow wolves.

 

The comment on Leelou reads to me as one of those 'I know that you know' kind of statements.

 

 

 

Leelou

 

 

 

Verb <3 - Verb's posts have been decent. I liked his exchange with Tina, but the Spidey could use some work. Hon, what do you think of Nolder? Also, don't ignore me. 

Sili  - Got people to start talking, but generally null with a sprinkling of both town and scum. I don't like the fact that he tried to say he wouldn't be picked and his reads list isn't very captivating. I find it easier to read Sili when he's starting to get pressure and see how he reacts. To answer your question - I was back at work after being off for a week and had a project dumped in my lap that was due by COB. 

Thane - Thane is Thane. Only really interacting with Sili. Need to see more here, actual commentary on the game. Null, Null, Null 

Hallia - Made a few posts, didn't really say a lot. Has Nyn and AJ as townies. Seems to feel strongly enough that Nol's comment was odd and voted him. The vote has a slight omgus feel to it, slight scum to null. 

Nol - Nothing wrong with his posts before 3:41 pm EST yesterday. I don't really agree with his reads on Hallia (she tends to disappear, no offence) and Crusher. Crusher isn't really adding anything of value to the game besides his lovable self. 

Tina - I don't really like how easily she's clearing Sili, but I do like that she is asking lots of questions and has a thread presence. She seems to be trying to figure out the game, but I will have to watch her posts going forward. For the moment, slight town lean. 

Crushlove - I know Boo Boo isn't here, I miss him dearly, but I'm need more from you. What are your thoughts on some of the players? You know a few of us enough. 

Nyn - Nyn's posts are solid, nothing seems out of place. I'll be looking as the game goes on to see if she is more guarded with her words, but she's in my town pile. Plus, busty. 

Kaylee - Answered Sili right off the bat. Seems to be coming up with town reads, but not really much for scum reads. Meh, I'll see how I feel after she catches up. 

AJ - Seems to be interacting well with who questions him, no squirming. 

dice - Not a lot to go on here, got defensive about saying he gave reads in his first post. His reads were meh, not really much of anything to them. Starting to focus on me, me, me and not picking up anything and running with it. Getting a slight scum feel. 

Red - going after people for the wrong things, really not liking the small things she is pushing over. Looks like she is trying to find anything to fling around and make stick. Null to scum lean. 

 

[v]Red[/v]

 

The big thing I want to emphasize here is the null read she continues to reiterate on Thane. In my experience scum have trouble finding where to list their partners with their reads so they are usually split. Keeping Thane as null is a viable option to maintain a distance from one another while also giving her an outlet to push in other directions.

 

Order below doesn't matter

 

Town leans

Verb <3

Nol

Tina

Crushlove

Sili

 

Null 

Thane - can't read him yet. 

AJ - going back and forth on if I want him in my town pile. He was more there yesterday, but his spat with Verbal isn't sitting well with me, so I've moved him down. 

Red - she really has been going after people for the wrong reasons, and at least twice she put words in my mouth I never said and called her on it. I did like her responses yesterday about Kaylee, but that's been about it. She's currently hovering right above the scum line for me. 

 

Scum leans

Hallia - her vote on Nol felt forced and very omgusy. Also, her comment after EOD on dice seemed out of place, especially where she didn't really have a presence during the day or mention that she was against his lynch. 

Kaylee - Consistently backtracking yesterday when questioned and moving her vote around a lot. Going with the flow. I didn't like her vote on Dice. 
 

Dead

dice - lynched D1 - train: AJ (#346), Tina (#374), Kaylee (#383), Red2111 (#461), Nynaeve (#467), The Crusher (#469)

Nyn - NK N1

 

 

D1.13 Vote Count Final

 

 

Dice (6): AJ (#346), Tina (#374), Kaylee (#383), Red2111 (#461), Nynaeve (#467), The Crusher (#469)

Nolder (1): Hallia (#195)
Red (1): Thane (#259)
Kaylee (1): Leelou (#407)

Sili (1): Nolder (#420)

Unvote (1): Dice (#180)

Not Voting (2): Sili Quirrels, Verbal32

dicetosser1 has been lynched. Write-up incoming...

 

Could vote for either Kaylee or Hallia right now. 

 

Her suspects in this post feel like LHF to me. She's picking easy targets while also keeping Thane as null.

 

Most notably, however, is the way that her and Nolder continue to list each other as town reads without having much interaction or explanation for the read. At this point in the game I think Nolder was playing pretty obviously to his scum meta, so I'm troubled with her lack of progression.

 

 

@Leelou Can you explain why you have Sili and Nolder both in your town pile? I'm assuming it's from their exchange over the past 36hrs?

 

Sili moved up from their exchange, but he could still ping pong down. I don't like that he didn't vote yesterday. 

 

Which led me to this question. I found the placement unnatural considering the dialogue between Sili/Nolder and (although my pov is biased because of my Night info) felt there couldn't be a chance that both could still be town players afterwards. This feeling is reinforced when another player who doesn't share my information noted it (Hallia) who also happens to be the counter wagon to known scum today. And voted on by Leelou of all players.

 

 

 

Over all a lot of the stuff I'm seeing came from my pov that I knew Nolder was scum at the start of D2. Individually each has exhibited their own scummy behavior. They have all listed each other as suspects in one degree or another but they are consistently venturing in other directions when it comes to voting patterns which is sort of classic Mafia team behavior.

[Andrej]

Also, narrowing it down to Thane and Leelou was influenced a lot in who I have as town reads. Those reads are reinforced looking at who they have as their suspects while also avoiding Nolder.

[Nolder]

Nolder twists the narrative. Same problems as before.

What's twisted? It's real easy to just say but can you back it up with facts?

You can't because I'm not. Everything I've said about you has been using your own words and the few times I don't I am very clear there are different possibilities and what my interpretation is such as in the case of not being on the Dice lynch.

[Nolder]

And Hally turns up as soon as she gets mentioned...

It's because she's mafia. She's doing the hit n runs and promising to catch up all the time thing.

Plain as day.

[Nolder]

 

D2.2 Vote Count

 

 

Kaylee (1): Red2111

Hallia (2): Leelou, TinaHel

Nolder (2): Andrej, Sili Quirrels

 

Not Voting (6): Verbal32, Thane Vakarian, Hallia, Nolder, The Crusher, Kaylee

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

 

 

I thought I voted Red?

 

Eh w/e I'll vote Hallia instead then since deadline is so close. They're both mafia together imo along with Sili.

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

[Kaylee]

Nol: no comment on what AJ had said?

[Cory Caboose]

D2.4 Vote Count

 

Nolder (5): Andrej, Sili Quirrels, Red2111, Kaylee, TinaHel
Hallia (2): Leelou, Nolder

Not Voting (4): Verbal32, Thane Vakarian, Hallia, The Crusher

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Nolder twists the narrative. Same problems as before.

What's twisted? It's real easy to just say but can you back it up with facts?

You can't because I'm not. Everything I've said about you has been using your own words and the few times I don't I am very clear there are different possibilities and what my interpretation is such as in the case of not being on the Dice lynch.

 

Hot air.

 

Wasn't talking to you anyway.

[Nolder]

2nd Nols recent posts are coming off as ubber scummy.  he's been called out for bogging down the thread and laughed it off while continuing it; now he's being manipulative in his casing (like with his case on me with the Dice lynch)

OMGUS? Same line as I got from Sili. Being manipulative HOW? What ABOUT the Dice lynch?

It's damn easy to just say this crap but neither of you can back it up.

 

Sili is in firm Redzone now, Nol is in Orange/Red zone.   AJ i'm moving up to lawkclear with Verb, and TIna is in he high bluezone.   Hallia is null to scum, but more null.  crush is null to town, but more null.

Looks to me like she's prepared to bus Sili and is seeing how the wind blows with Hallia. Interesting how I'm supposedly her lower pick for scum but she votes me over Sili. Am I "manipulating"? No. It's a fact.

 

 

i can switch to Sili just as fine, but would prefer Kay cause i'm 98% on her being scum at this point

LOL what? Let me get this straight.

Sili is "firmly in the red zone", Kay is 98% scum, but you voted ME.

 

Can't make this stuff up people.

 

 

i ISO'd Dice http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/92636-escape-from-the-carnival-of-horrors-game-thread-day-2/?p=3416987

 

you're down to the Orange zone for me with these recent posts

Wasn't easy to find since it came way before your vote. You should have linked it.

I might've reconsidered on you but I don't like how you just OMGUS'd me and keep saying Sili and Kay are the scum while voting me. It's funny because I cut it out of the post but the first thing you open this post with is how you don't like that people are calling Kay scum but not voting her. Does that include yourself?

[Nolder]

Nol: no comment on what AJ had said?

I was going to address AJ in a moment.

 

Or are you talking about a specific post?

 

 

 

Nolder twists the narrative. Same problems as before.

What's twisted? It's real easy to just say but can you back it up with facts?

You can't because I'm not. Everything I've said about you has been using your own words and the few times I don't I am very clear there are different possibilities and what my interpretation is such as in the case of not being on the Dice lynch.

 

Hot air.

 

Wasn't talking to you anyway.

 

I'm talking to you. Back up your claim. What's "twisted" about my "narrative" huh? What isn't true about what I've said?

[Sili Quirrels]

wow. i just realized you're an awfully spazzy wolf.

 

why red voted you is because you're a stronger wagon.

[Kaylee]

Nol: i was referring to his recent posts.

[Nolder]

I've gone back to Nolder's mq.

 

 

 

 

verbal - You don't like his no vote, but leelou said it wasn't unusual

Yeah, she did. I also noted that it's possible they're mafia together and thus statements like that are to be taken with a grain of salt at the very least.

Not in your list, you don't.  And they probably aren't w/w together too, that sounds like paranoia.

 

 

Sili - you don't like halliash, but never bother to explain what you mean.

there's not much else to say, so i guess I like Hallia's content. I think it's because her reads feel very 'halliaish'.

 

Is it a soul read? I dunno. I just a good initial vibe and there's nothing else to say.

Don't remember this? Aren't you paying attention?

Unless I should take nonsense and empty air as sufficient explication, you hadn't explained it until just recently.

 

you don't comment on my recent progression,

What does that even mean?

Day 2 material. What was the point of all that if not to understand each other better.

 

 

i don't even know why you think no-voting is odd when it meant nothing to you last night. That adjustment is way too convenient; like, it looks like you're latching on to a little controversy and parroting it without critical thought. News flash: Dice was at L-1. There was no way I was voting him unless there was a competing wagon to trump.

 

You don't seem to comprehend what you're saying. Do you even believe it?

This was something I had a nice long response to that got lost.

Let's start with the quote though.

 

I was thinking about waiting for D2 but something's been bugging me since yesterday and I wanna get it off my chest both before I forget and in case I die.

 

I don't like that Sili said he'd vote for Dice but never actually did. It's like he's accepting responsibility now thinking that it looks and hoping we'll forget later when we examine lynch trains. Maybe that's way off you know. He might even be scum but not doing that intentionally. It's just a thought I had and I wanted to get it out.

 

So, yeah.

 

What's everyone doing this weekend?

Meant nothing to me? That's why I posted about it right?

Parroting? Who am I parroting? Who said that before me?

 

Now this is the part that pisses me off that I lost the most but I'll try to hit the important points again.

 

This is what I'm talking about when I say you're making strong statements without really knowing people.

Do I even believe it? Maybe if you'd actually played more than a couple games with me you'd know what I believe instead of just spouting bullshit about what you think you know about me.

If I knew you better, maybe I wouldn't be giving it as much weight, but as you say... I don't.

 

If you'd played with me enough you'd know that I don't abide people voting without a reason and not voting someone while continually casting suspicion on them. I hound those people and vote them until they give a reason or they vote the people they supposedly think are suspicious. Why? Because it nails them down. When someone votes someone else and gives no reason and later it comes up they can give any reason they want that's convenient at the time. But if you force them to give the reason they have no wiggle room. Why do you think they record everything you say in court? Why do you think they take peoples depositions? Because it nails their asses down to a set of statements and once you have them nailed down you can go over what they've said they believe and look for inconsistencies and contradictions.

 

That's why when I see you choosing not to vote Dice it sets off alarm bells. It's possible you're just thinking to yourself "the deadline is soon and we have a majority anyway so my vote doesn't matter". Maybe. Maybe. It's possible. It's also possible that you were hoping you could take responsibility for Dice's lynch in the short term but by not being on the train people would forget you had anything to do with it as the game went on. That's possible too.

You understand I comment to the effect I don't want to lynch Dice before eod? That's my reason down on paper like you seem to want.

 

So you're going to sit over there and say things like "this is Nolder's town game" and "this is Nolder's scum game" when you don't even really know me. Do I believe it? How the hell would you know either way? You really don't and that's what I've been getting at all game about you. You don't know but you make these strong statements about people anyway. It's either scummy or...looking for the right word here. Maybe arrogant? You think you know everything about people so quick and when you show your ignorance it REALLY shows. I never say this is your town game - honestly don't think I know it well enough to even say that. What I do say is this reminds me of your last scum game, specifically, in certain ways. That could mean you're town and there's a bit of overlap, or it could mean you're mafia. All I'm pointing out is that you're capable of bad reads as scum.

 

Thane - Have him as scum, but don't show a reason.

Actually I said leaning scum. And my reasoning is the same as before because like I said I don't recall him posting yet since Nyn's death so my read on him hasn't changed.

 

You simply state he hasn't posted much like he did last game.

I never said anything about "last game". You made that up.

Not taken as intended. I am pointing out you seem to think Thane is scum, and the only reason you give is sporadic activity, which is pretty much how he came across last game. My gut says there are some differences to be sure, but I don't see anything compelling in your case that would lead someone to a scum lean.

 

Hallia - Hallia said your meta is wrong of her, and that you should know as much.

Ok? So because she said I'm wrong I guess that must be true.

 

Sarcasm aside I believe Leelou also backed this meta read of her scum game.

 

Leelou said it wasn't indicative either way, which is to say she didn't agree with your read.

And I don't believe villager you forgets this/doesn't mention it in a reads list of this volume.

There you go making statements about me again.

How many games have we played together? This is the third I think right? One of our games together was very brief and I was scum. You really think you know what "villager me" does or doesn't do? I don't know. I have thoughts though. And maybe I'm projecting a little since I would have if I wanted to be thorough.

 

Anyway I don't see why I would mention it. Hallia disagrees with me. Cool. Whatever. It's still my read and I'm still going to post my read when I post my list of reads.

 

And as I have pointed out, Hallia's post quality is in line with what I've seen from her other town games.

That's your opinion.

Cool.

 

I thought this was supposed to be some sort of take down about how my reads are lacking or incomplete, not how you disagree with everything I say? Those two aren't the same thing you know.

 

Tina - Re.

"Tina - Quiet but that's not unusual for her. Would like to see some more posts since I think she's the lowest poster besides Hallia. Null."

This is almost a blasphemous reduction of her content. I would vote you on this statement alone and not look back.

Explain how please.

Just ISO her. She has few posts but she says a lot in them. I'm sure you can come up with better than 'null' when no one besides you has her as null.

 

The Crusher - You put him down as null, but intone he could be lurking the thread.

Not how I put it but sure. What about it?  Looks like a soft nudge, fishing for a wagon. Phrased awkwardly enough that it tilts me, etc.

 

You offer no hard opinion of your own.

...

 

. . .

 

I JUST GAVE my opinion. And your opinion is soft and fence-sitting.

 

Also, how does Verbal noting someone's meta without drawing any conclusions from it a sign that he's town?

It doesn't necessarily.

They could easily be teammates.

But it would mean that Verbal is playing for the long game and in either case it makes me feel more confident in my town read. Calling out people for scum behavior is generally town behavior. Scum don't usually distance so early.

But... why doesn't scum expound a town's meta when asked? It's not as if they can't or won't if they want to be 'useful'. Because what's in it for Verbal to ignore my request for information? Probably a lot of hassle because I don't like it when someone actively ignores me.

 

Leelou - Pretty sure Leelou is at the bottom of the poe for a reason.

That reason being? Her response to verbal. Her fence-sitting, which she really shouldn't be doing as much as she has in my opinion (could be wrong here and would need to reeducate myself before I say more), and her missing 15 hours or so. I've noted that her excuse she's busy seems more shallow than usual. She brings it up when not asked at night, and I think that was completely unnecessary unless she'st trying to push an agenda.

 

You reading her as town so easily despite all the talk about her is a big red flag.

Ok.

 

I still don't see how this is some take down and not just you disagreeing with everything I say. Basically it shows you haven't been paying attention.

 

Kaylee - Why don't you like her vote on dice?

It wasn't exactly her vote on Dice so much as it was the reasoning. I recall several people using the same reasoning which makes me worried she's just sheeping. I already noted that this isn't necessarily and indication of her being scum (which is why I list her as null).  Then why bring it up as much as you did if it's in the end null?

 

Everyone voted dice.

No they didn't. Don't be like that. Everyone around wanted/had no problem with voting dice.

 

Dice was rand to be scum at that point in the thread for a plethora of reasons.

I don't know what that means. My fault. I mean Dice had a lot of scum equity.

 

 

Also, this is another instance of you, Nolder, not knowing anything about the subject of an easy read.

I admitted in Kaylee's case I don't remember much of what she's said. I talked about what seemed relevant to me and the game which was her vote. Which ended up being null.

 

Aj - While I agree Aj is hard to read, I also recognize Aj has been pretty reasonable and on the ball, and is actually kind of clean as we approach eod2. So a 'completely' null read on him doesn't cut it at this point. You needed to put your foot down and take a stance, and you don't.

I don't have a read on him yet and I'm not going to force one just because that bothers you.

If you don't like it vote me. Oh right, you did. So...what are we doing here again? Just going over how you disagree with everything I say right? I'm going over how lacking your list is. It really is kind of hollow and devoid of compelling logic, and I'm having trouble seeing how it isn't a wolf's list. I shouldn't be able to disagree with it to this extent.

 

Red - wut. you haven't talked about red in so long, i'd forgotten (?) you'd had a scum lean on her.

Oh, aren't you paying attention?

 

And actually she went from town read to scum read. I don't have a perfect memory... and you were changing your stance on her after all? You don't give anything specific in your strongest scum read in this list, and prior to it you don't even have this person as scum. What is Red supposed to be replying to??

 

Now she's your strongest suspect?

Yep. I said my D1 list was subject to change.

 

I'm counting 2 town leans, 5 scum leans, and 3 null. The amount of scum and null at this point is bad when you consider you spend more time arguing with me and socializing with the thread than hunting scum.

Maybe I'd have more time to scumhunt if I wasn't busy dealing with the dumb shit you keep coming up with. That was unfortunately you, lol. You were the one who misrepresented me, and I was the one who took you to task over it. And it was YOUR fault for being such an airhead that the conversation went on so long.

You know, like I was doing when I first signed on today before you side tracked me? Yeah. That's not how it works.

 

And before you go "oh well I didn't MAKE you do anything" don't even try because you were clearly bitching at me to post more content as I was even typing it and sniping at each thing as it came. You keep talking about engaging me and now you're going to complain that I spend too much time arguing with you? GFY I didn't say you should offer me a list. I tell you once that I'm expecting more from you, after 40 or so minutes of radio silence.

 

 

 

Not much else to say, except I felt a response was necessary to show I do care. And to be perfectly honest Nolder has good tone and I can't get over that. I feel like he would be more obvious if he was scum based on what he told me about his scum game.

 

So tl;dr I'm not sure where I stand. Read is currently in flux after going back and forth on him twice.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if scum was exactly Red leelou and thane. And I'm bashing my head in to find out who fits better in my game solve: Hallia or Nolder.

 

Thane is curiously absent today. I kind of figured he would be in here making reads.

jfc you're not even from this site and you do the typing inside peoples quotes thing.

 

You don't know this because it's never come up between us but I normally don't read or respond to stuff in quotes. I don't like it because in the past it's gotten way out of hand and given me some bad headaches. I'll read and respond to what you wrote here in a moment but in the future just know that if you want me to read and respond to something don't type inside quotes. Thanks.

[Hallia]

HAHAHA I KNEW IT.  Nice job AJ

 

Vote: Nolder