Escape From The Carnival Of Horrors! Game Thread [Mafia Win]

[Nynaeve]

I think Kaylee had a good opening, considering she seems to have been phone posting so you know... my 2c.

What makes you think she was phone posting and how is that even slightly relevent? lol

[Andrej]

 

Hello

 

Feels good to be back in a Mafia game, I can feel the juices flowing already.

 

I'm with Nyn on this subject. Highly circumstantial and would vary person to person depending on how the randomization went. The part I don't like most specifically is suggesting the focus be on a certain group of players who are considered better than others while the remaining are theoretically given a pass.

 

Bolded for edification because I don't want to be represented as saying something I haven't. I never at all advocate giving anybody a pass. If dice comes in and lurks in a significant way, I'm all for lynching him. But conversely, since players here want (I emphasize want) to pick players like nyn, I'll be paying close attention to what they say because in that direction there is more scum more often to be found than in other directions.

 

So the mafia recruits before the rand. Then the stronger the mafia player the more tempting the recruit is, so I think it's good to discern their allignments first. I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13.

 

I think this approach puts the most pressure on people like nyn, but I think that's for the best. We just need to be cognissant that individuals who are good at being scum are more likely to be scum in this set up. Though this isn't to say we don't take out scummy players if we spot any.

 

 

You essentially are suggesting that some players be less looked at or pressured because, iyo, the subjectively stronger players are more likely to be picked more often. Furthermore, I don't understand why you and Dice (specifically in this case) deserve less attention because of your 1/13 odds of being the original Mafia member. Everyone's odds of being the original are 1/13 so perhaps you can help edify there as well.

 

Overall I think it's just a bad direction to go in because of the variance it holds and for the likely outcome of it promoting in-fighting as people argue over who is subjectively stronger, etc. If you personally want to focus on a group of players to develop your reads, then fine, but suggesting it in this matter reads to me as a little angle-shooty and narrative-y. And taking into consideration you might just genuinely find this strategy optimal, I think it gives the potential for Mafia to eliminate strong players they could see as threats early on.

[Sili Quirrels]

Weaker players are still lynched if they're made scum, regardless of wifom. You understand what I mean? Because it doesn't matter as long as we have content to work with. If they're actually scummy, and not in the faux way thane or pral are, then they're scum and there's no getting around that. We'll notice them one way or another and so picking weak players is sub-optimal.

 

Basically, put another way, in what world does mafia let wifom level determine their picks? How is it pure variance? The best play is to play the odds and pick the strongest player you can that won't be lynched because they're 'too' strong to ignore. For us it's a way of narrowing the field, because the obvious players we can lynch just at a glance, whereas stronger players who people want to pick are harder to read.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

Hello

 

Feels good to be back in a Mafia game, I can feel the juices flowing already.

 

I'm with Nyn on this subject. Highly circumstantial and would vary person to person depending on how the randomization went. The part I don't like most specifically is suggesting the focus be on a certain group of players who are considered better than others while the remaining are theoretically given a pass.

 

Bolded for edification because I don't want to be represented as saying something I haven't. I never at all advocate giving anybody a pass. If dice comes in and lurks in a significant way, I'm all for lynching him. But conversely, since players here want (I emphasize want) to pick players like nyn, I'll be paying close attention to what they say because in that direction there is more scum more often to be found than in other directions.

 

So the mafia recruits before the rand. Then the stronger the mafia player the more tempting the recruit is, so I think it's good to discern their allignments first. I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13.

 

I think this approach puts the most pressure on people like nyn, but I think that's for the best. We just need to be cognissant that individuals who are good at being scum are more likely to be scum in this set up. Though this isn't to say we don't take out scummy players if we spot any.

 

 

You essentially are suggesting that some players be less looked at or pressured because, iyo, the subjectively stronger players are more likely to be picked more often. Furthermore, I don't understand why you and Dice (specifically in this case) deserve less attention because of your 1/13 odds of being the original Mafia member. Everyone's odds of being the original are 1/13 so perhaps you can help edify there as well.

 

Overall I think it's just a bad direction to go in because of the variance it holds and for the likely outcome of it promoting in-fighting as people argue over who is subjectively stronger, etc. If you personally want to focus on a group of players to develop your reads, then fine, but suggesting it in this matter reads to me as a little angle-shooty and narrative-y. And taking into consideration you might just genuinely find this strategy optimal, I think it gives the potential for Mafia to eliminate strong players they could see as threats early on.

 

Well, for me, it's optimal because I'm confident in my ability to read individuals if I'm putting in the work. In regards to the bold, are we in a world where DM serves as puppets to their mafia overlords? Because I don't think that ever happens, lynching strong players for their strength.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

[Andrej]

The variance comes from the original Mafia member's opinion on the player pool to select from as well as other variables they could've considered like past experience with certain players as Mafia together, who they consider threats in sniffing them out, etc. I doubt the decision was made based solely on the thought of who is going to live the longest.

 

For instance, even if we all collectively were able to narrow down to a pool of say 4-6 players we all agreed were 'strong' we could still be wrong on all of them (although statistically any random group of 4 should yield at least one Mafia) and instead of lynching Mafia we've killed all our better players more so out of paranoia that they would've been picked because of their skill level in fooling others.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

I think Kaylee had a good opening, considering she seems to have been phone posting so you know... my 2c.

What makes you think she was phone posting and how is that even slightly relevent? lol

 

At first I was tone reading her posts because I wasn't used to Kaylee spamming.

 

Then, I read:

 

 

Crusher, Verb, Nyn and Red I consider ask strong players.

*All not ask

 

And I put two and two together. When someone phone posts the standards are different (you expect less content/post), so I thought this level of involvement was good for page 1, considering the circumstances.

[Andrej]

Well, for me, it's optimal because I'm confident in my ability to read individuals if I'm putting in the work. In regards to the bold, are we in a world where DM serves as puppets to their mafia overlords? Because I don't think that ever happens, lynching strong players for their strength.

 

It's not really about the 'strength'. It's more about the fear or wariness from others towards certain players because of past success as a bad guy. I think some can agree that they've seen players focused on or mistrusted for their ability to play as either alignment. The same would apply here.

 

Anyway - let's move on. I've stated my opinion on the matter and I'd like for more people to weigh in on it before I talk myself in circles.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

For instance, even if we all collectively were able to narrow down to a pool of say 4-6 players we all agreed were 'strong' we could still be wrong on all of them (although statistically any random group of 4 should yield at least one Mafia) and instead of lynching Mafia we've killed all our better players more so out of paranoia that they would've been picked because of their skill level in fooling others.

Feel like I need to get this down, so one more thing:

 

Obs I shan't ever advocate lynching better players out of paranoia.  It would be silly.

 

That's all. We can move on now.

[Hallia]

A petting zoo!??!

 

Vote: Dice

[Cory Caboose]

D1.2 Vote Count

Nolder (1): Andrej
dicetosser1 (1): Hallia
Not Voting (11): dicetosser1, Kaylee, Leelou, Nolder, Nynaeve, Red2111, Sili Quirrels, Thane Vakarian, The Crusher, TinaHel, Verbal32

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[Nolder]

So, who is the best mafia player? we fos them first I think.

What if they're town?

 

Kaylee, are you in? Who do you think are the best mafia players and most likely to be recruited?

Why don't you tell us what you think?

 

So the mafia recruits before the rand. Then the stronger the mafia player the more tempting the recruit is, so I think it's good to discern their allignments first. I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13.

 

I think this approach puts the most pressure on people like nyn, but I think that's for the best. We just need to be cognissant that individuals who are good at being scum are more likely to be scum in this set up. Though this isn't to say we don't take out scummy players if we spot any.

1. "So the mafia recruits before the rand. Then the stronger the mafia player the more tempting the recruit is, so I think it's good to discern their allignments first."

That might be true if we didn't know this beforehand. As it is, whoever is choosing their recruits may have played off this exact expectation.

 

2. "I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13."

I think most people would pick their friends or whomever they're most comfortable with. For example I probably wouldn't pick Kaylee and I don't think she'd pick me. I don't think we've ever been on a team before and it would be kind of awkward at the least. There are a lot of ways one could approach this puzzle and you're focusing on one. I also think it's both funny and convenient that you've included yourself as someone who should get less attention today. Also ironic since you're being so outspoken and driving the conversation.

 

I'm on my way to bed, but I'll say this. Not a huge fan of this discussion really because I think it's a mountain of Wifom. But I'll add my thoughts regardless.

 

A ton of considerations could be taken here. First of all I disagree about necessarily choosing someone you consider a strong player. Not saying it's not an option.  When I was cult in the HP game in the WT I recruited Mynd and Yates which I felt would be my biggest threats...but it's definitely not the only option out there. Just take Red's game that just ended, where Verbal and I were cult. We had a bunch of strong players to choose from. We went with Sili. Why? Because we were looking to distance ourselves from whoever we picked. We've made a point of not recruiting Lee because people know we're friends. And we went with Sili because he inserts discord and because he always comes off scummy, so he would be hard to read. Plus he would have been pretty much the last person people would expect either of us to choose.  Another option is picking someone who reads you really well and that you prefer to be on your team. ie it's not necessarily about who would be the best pick skills wise, but who would be the best pick to avoid detection. There are many ways to go about it. And I'm not even gonna get into the whole reversed wifom that Verbal mentioned to me in Red's game when we were trying to decide who to recruit next... where he contemplated recruiting a close friend on purpose cause the other players would choose to believe that we wouldn't be that obvious.

 

I don't think this should be a focal point by any means. I guess it's harmless right now since we're on N0 anyhow... but it's not something I'm gonna rely on by any means cause the options are many. As far as I'm concerned scum was randed just like any other game.

This is a good post up to that last part. Whoever chose did so with a purpose most likely. I highly doubt they went to random.org and picked two names out of a hat. That said, I don't think we'll be privy to the reason until after the game is over.

 

Hello

 

Feels good to be back in a Mafia game, I can feel the juices flowing already.

 

I'm with Nyn on this subject. Highly circumstantial and would vary person to person depending on how the randomization went. The part I don't like most specifically is suggesting the focus be on a certain group of players who are considered better than others while the remaining are theoretically given a pass.

Seems like you're piggybacking here. Granted the same could be said of me I guess but your post looks lazy compared to mine. IMO anyway.

 

Are you scum this game?

 

Also - [v]Nolder[/v]

 

Bone-chilling Bog just sounds scummy

Dude it really pisses me off that we all got flavor locations because I WANT to vote for the "places" I think sound cool but one of those places is my own lol.

I...I'm not going to lie. The flavor locations are probably going to influence who I vote for at least a little bit.

 

Weaker players are still lynched if they're made scum, regardless of wifom. You understand what I mean? Because it doesn't matter as long as we have content to work with. If they're actually scummy, and not in the faux way thane or pral are, then they're scum and there's no getting around that. We'll notice them one way or another and so picking weak players is sub-optimal.

 

Basically, put another way, in what world does mafia let wifom level determine their picks? How is it pure variance? The best play is to play the odds and pick the strongest player you can that won't be lynched because they're 'too' strong to ignore. For us it's a way of narrowing the field, because the obvious players we can lynch just at a glance, whereas stronger players who people want to pick are harder to read.

1. "Weaker players are still lynched if they're made scum, regardless of wifom. You understand what I mean? Because it doesn't matter as long as we have content to work with. If they're actually scummy, and not in the faux way thane or pral are, then they're scum and there's no getting around that. We'll notice them one way or another and so picking weak players is sub-optimal."

 

I guess if you were to look at such things in a vacuum maybe. The reality is that people have good games and bad games, ups and downs. Players who aren't so good have the most room for improvement. These so called "weak" players may surprise you. I don't consider anyone in this game a weak player. If you do you do it at your own peril.

 

2. "Basically, put another way, in what world does mafia let wifom level determine their picks? How is it pure variance? The best play is to play the odds and pick the strongest player you can that won't be lynched because they're 'too' strong to ignore. For us it's a way of narrowing the field, because the obvious players we can lynch just at a glance, whereas stronger players who people want to pick are harder to read."

 

People don't always do what you'd expect them to. Some people will do the stupid thing to increase their own fun. Because this is a game, and the way people have fun with it can differ (See:Timmy, Johnny, and Spike). Take me as an example in this very post. I already admitted that the flavor of the game is going to influence my gameplay somewhat. I'm going to try my best to find scum of course but if it comes down to a choice between two people I might go with the person who's flavor I like better because hey why not. To me it's fun. So yeah, uhh, I think in a perfect world you'd be right but people don't always do the best play so you're wrong. It's more complicated than what you'd like to believe unfortunately for us.

 

The variance comes from the original Mafia member's opinion on the player pool to select from as well as other variables they could've considered like past experience with certain players as Mafia together, who they consider threats in sniffing them out, etc. I doubt the decision was made based solely on the thought of who is going to live the longest.

 

For instance, even if we all collectively were able to narrow down to a pool of say 4-6 players we all agreed were 'strong' we could still be wrong on all of them (although statistically any random group of 4 should yield at least one Mafia) and instead of lynching Mafia we've killed all our better players more so out of paranoia that they would've been picked because of their skill level in fooling others.

Ok, well put. I take back what I said about the lazy post. You put more thought into it now and I'm ok with that.

 

As for what you said I'd like to add that who one person says they think is strong obviously may not coincide with what another person believes and we've got more than one person out there with reason to lie and manipulate our results so anything we decide as a group is tainted and unreliable.

 

A petting zoo!??!

 

Vote: Dice

This seems like the most sincere post so far imo.

[Andrej]

2. "I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13."

I think most people would pick their friends or whomever they're most comfortable with. For example I probably wouldn't pick Kaylee and I don't think she'd pick me. I don't think we've ever been on a team before and it would be kind of awkward at the least. There are a lot of ways one could approach this puzzle and you're focusing on one. I also think it's both funny and convenient that you've included yourself as someone who should get less attention today. Also ironic since you're being so outspoken and driving the conversation.

Blue bolded is something I agree with and was pointing out earlier with the angle-shooting/narrative line.

 

 

Hello

 

Feels good to be back in a Mafia game, I can feel the juices flowing already.

 

I'm with Nyn on this subject. Highly circumstantial and would vary person to person depending on how the randomization went. The part I don't like most specifically is suggesting the focus be on a certain group of players who are considered better than others while the remaining are theoretically given a pass.

 

Seems like you're piggybacking here. Granted the same could be said of me I guess but your post looks lazy compared to mine. IMO anyway.

 

Are you scum this game?

 

Nah. But allow me to tell you that your opinion, IMO, sucks

 

 

The variance comes from the original Mafia member's opinion on the player pool to select from as well as other variables they could've considered like past experience with certain players as Mafia together, who they consider threats in sniffing them out, etc. I doubt the decision was made based solely on the thought of who is going to live the longest.

 

For instance, even if we all collectively were able to narrow down to a pool of say 4-6 players we all agreed were 'strong' we could still be wrong on all of them (although statistically any random group of 4 should yield at least one Mafia) and instead of lynching Mafia we've killed all our better players more so out of paranoia that they would've been picked because of their skill level in fooling others.

 

Ok, well put. I take back what I said about the lazy post. You put more thought into it now and I'm ok with that.

 

As for what you said I'd like to add that who one person says they think is strong obviously may not coincide with what another person believes and we've got more than one person out there with reason to lie and manipulate our results so anything we decide as a group is tainted and unreliable.

 

I agree on the group dynamic point. It's not something I'd particularly be interested in trying to make happen, but I was pointing out the fallacy I saw in narrowing the playing field so early.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

2. "I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13."

I think most people would pick their friends or whomever they're most comfortable with. For example I probably wouldn't pick Kaylee and I don't think she'd pick me. I don't think we've ever been on a team before and it would be kind of awkward at the least. There are a lot of ways one could approach this puzzle and you're focusing on one. I also think it's both funny and convenient that you've included yourself as someone who should get less attention today. Also ironic since you're being so outspoken and driving the conversation.

Blue bolded is something I agree with and was pointing out earlier with the angle-shooting/narrative line.

 

I didn't see that.

 

Yes, it is coming across as intended then. I like being ironic.

 

Though it is also true I can't picture myself being picked by anybody here so I dunno, but I don't think I was rand to be mafia this game.

[Nolder]

 

 

2. "I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13."

I think most people would pick their friends or whomever they're most comfortable with. For example I probably wouldn't pick Kaylee and I don't think she'd pick me. I don't think we've ever been on a team before and it would be kind of awkward at the least. There are a lot of ways one could approach this puzzle and you're focusing on one. I also think it's both funny and convenient that you've included yourself as someone who should get less attention today. Also ironic since you're being so outspoken and driving the conversation.

Blue bolded is something I agree with and was pointing out earlier with the angle-shooting/narrative line.

 

I didn't see that.

 

Yes, it is coming across as intended then. I like being ironic.

 

Though it is also true I can't picture myself being picked by anybody here so I dunno, but I don't think I was rand to be mafia this game.

 

I sincerely hope you'd know by now if you were mafia or not.

[Sili Quirrels]

  I'm not mafia. By rand I mean likely. 'I don't think I was likely to be mafia this game'. More likely than normal anyway.

[Sili Quirrels]

Ebwop

  I'm not mafia. By rand I mean likely. 'I don't think I was likely to be mafia this game'. More likely to be town than normal anyway.

[Thane Vakarian]

So, yeah, it's me. I'm here, and i'll add my little thought:

 

I feel that the first wolf picked one person they can easily distance themselves from, and one they hold a bit closer. Now, good players know how to mask that, so let's play and find out who are the wolves and get them *nod*

 

 

 

@mods: really like the opening posts, adds good plavor to the game

[Sili Quirrels]

So, yeah, it's me. I'm here, and i'll add my little thought:

 

I feel that the first wolf picked one person they can easily distance themselves from, and one they hold a bit closer. Now, good players know how to mask that, so let's play and find out who are the wolves and get them *nod*

 

 

 

@mods: really like the opening posts, adds good plavor to the game

You have 3 pages to work with. What are your thoughts?

[Thane Vakarian]

Well, it's two pages, and one is yours (in postcount)

 

votes aren't that serious, after all, the locations are merely flavor. You seem to be wanting to figure out who the bad guys are, but let's just play and find out, no? It's still early D1, and with the few comments made, it'd be hard to single out a few players.

 

Treat everybody as scum for now.

[Sili Quirrels]

Well, it's two pages, and one is yours (in postcount)

 

votes aren't that serious, after all, the locations are merely flavor. You seem to be wanting to figure out who the bad guys are, but let's just play and find out, no? It's still early D1, and with the few comments made, it'd be hard to single out a few players.

 

Treat everybody as scum for now.

13 of 40 posts are mine, so by no means is my content the only substantial kind. Though, to each their own pace I guess.

 

What do you mean when you say 'votes aren't serious'? I think those made are obviously fluff, so I don't understand why you bring it up.

 

Yes, I am anxious to figure the game out. What I was looking for from you was a deeper understanding to show you're committed to the hunt. Telling me I seem to be looking for bad guys when a quarter of the thread is me doesn't actually help.

 

The comments made, while few, are mostly very dense. I think one could make reads from them if they wanted to.

 

Why are we treating everybody as scum, and not villagers, when villagers are 10/13 of the thread?

[Thane Vakarian]

i bring up the weirdest things. You should know that by now

 

It's still somewhat early in the game for me to seriously hunt. Still have quite a few people who need to check in.

 

And, it's what i do. I treat everybody as possible wolf untill they're cleared in some way. Either by their posts or through NA. 

[Leelou]

 

 

2. "I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13."

I think most people would pick their friends or whomever they're most comfortable with. For example I probably wouldn't pick Kaylee and I don't think she'd pick me. I don't think we've ever been on a team before and it would be kind of awkward at the least. There are a lot of ways one could approach this puzzle and you're focusing on one. I also think it's both funny and convenient that you've included yourself as someone who should get less attention today. Also ironic since you're being so outspoken and driving the conversation.

Blue bolded is something I agree with and was pointing out earlier with the angle-shooting/narrative line.

 

I didn't see that.

 

Yes, it is coming across as intended then. I like being ironic.

 

Though it is also true I can't picture myself being picked by anybody here so I dunno, but I don't think I was rand to be mafia this game.

 

 

You were just picked to be cult, so your thoughts on this matter are irrelevant. 

[dicetosser1]

Right so Nyn is Town, sili would be in a tunnel except for that quick little backtrack on page 1 and AJ is looking townish.

 

 

 

Sili  a) dont link us together please.

 

b) if im a weak player explain my success rate as mafia. I get mislynched as town much more then i get lynched as mafia. But weak or strong is crap. AJ is a good player yet I once caught him because of like his second post in a game. Verbal is good but leelou picks him out pretty easily. Everybody has weaknesses. Everybody has strengths. And you can get caught even thru your strengths. Oh aND YES players DO get lynched for their strengths here.

[Leelou]

I like Nolder's posts so far.