Escape From The Carnival Of Horrors! Game Thread [Mafia Win]

[Kaylee]

Also you didn't answer my question. What changed in that time to move Tina from suspicious to nothing scummy?

[Red2111]

Red: my vote on you wasn't about the QT thing. I read back through and made comments on everyone. It's more about that you had Dice as a firm scum read yet kept your vote on Thane. Seems off to me.

 

 

so i cant pressure someone for more activity with a vote and focus on pressure via words and direct dialouge with another scummy person?

 

 

tisk tisk Kay, you know i multi-task and will often focus many places with scum hunting ...  not to mention i've vocalized many times that a vote isn't the only form of pressure you can apply while scum hunting.

 

 

i like my vote.  Kay should get more pressure imo

[Red2111]

Also you didn't answer my question. What changed in that time to move Tina from suspicious to nothing scummy?

 

i had her as scummy cause clearing Sili in the way that she did raised the hair on my neck.  it still does, enough for me not to move her above Null.

Thane's placating tone to Sili in his mini meltdown raised my hair as well, hence the start of my pressure on him.

 

unlike Thane though, Tina's had posts that came off as legit scum hunting, so she's back to Null until i get more info from her

[Niniel]

 

something red  i think it was said  about cory and the ventriliquist dummy keeps turning in my head. For that reason and tyhat reason only

 

 

vote crusher

 

I don´t understand any of this. 

 

 

Still, I don´t understand this. Can someone "translate" this post for me.

 

 

what does it mean that I have a "cold opening"? 

 

Like you didn't enter the thread with a lot of punch as compared to say Verbal. You seemed like you were poking around, kind of cautious.

 

 

Ehm... I don´t know how to respond to this. It´s very vague and feels off. 

 

 

So I've been rereading the first couple of pages. And I'm getting a really eerie feeling from Sili.

 

 

 

 

I think Nyn and Hallia have the largest town/scum range overlap. I might have picked them.

Slip? There's a clear distinction between discussing who you'd choose if...... this sentence is pretty awful.

 

so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13.

 

I think this approach puts the most pressure on people like nyn, but I think that's for the best. We just need to be cognissant that individuals who are good at being scum are more likely to be scum in this set up. Though this isn't to say we don't take out scummy players if we spot any.

Advocates he and dice should get less attention today.

 

 

mafia will prefer not to pick Thane or me, because there is a chance we die early and there are no replacements.

Now suddenly it's him and Thane that would be a less desirable pick.

 

 

Bolded for edification because I don't want to be represented as saying something I haven't. I never at all advocate giving anybody a pass. If dice comes in and lurks in a significant way, I'm all for lynching him. But conversely, since players here want (I emphasize want) to pick players like nyn, I'll be paying close attention to what they say because in that direction there is more scum more often to be found than in other directions.

This is like the third time Sili mentions me. Makes me think he either has a crush on me or I make him nervous. Maybe both.

 

 

Weaker players are still lynched if they're made scum, regardless of wifom. You understand what I mean? Because it doesn't matter as long as we have content to work with. If they're actually scummy, and not in the faux way thane or pral are, then they're scum and there's no getting around that. We'll notice them one way or another and so picking weak players is sub-optimal.

 

Basically, put another way, in what world does mafia let wifom level determine their picks? How is it pure variance? The best play is to play the odds and pick the strongest player you can that won't be lynched because they're 'too' strong to ignore. For us it's a way of narrowing the field, because the obvious players we can lynch just at a glance, whereas stronger players who people want to pick are harder to read.

Again saying that this notion helps narrow down the field.

 

Though it is also true I can't picture myself being picked by anybody here so I dunno, but I don't think I was rand to be mafia this game.

Prolly the post of his I like least. First of all he was just picked to be recruited in the last game. Secondly.... he's spent up until now trying to advocate a tactic for PoE that involves leaving him be for the day and going after 'strong' players. And now he interjects how he can't picture being picked by anybody. Seems self conscious.

 

 

 

So, yeah, it's me. I'm here, and i'll add my little thought:

 

I feel that the first wolf picked one person they can easily distance themselves from, and one they hold a bit closer. Now, good players know how to mask that, so let's play and find out who are the wolves and get them *nod*

 

 

 

@mods: really like the opening posts, adds good plavor to the game

You have 3 pages to work with. What are your thoughts?

I don't care for this post much either. He's coming down on Thane for not having any thoughts after 3 pages of content... but what has Sili really done in the sense of reading people? nada. He spent the entire time with the picking discussion mambo jambo.

 

 

 

 

Well, it's two pages, and one is yours (in postcount)

 

votes aren't that serious, after all, the locations are merely flavor. You seem to be wanting to figure out who the bad guys are, but let's just play and find out, no? It's still early D1, and with the few comments made, it'd be hard to single out a few players.

 

Treat everybody as scum for now.

13 of 40 posts are mine, so by no means is my content the only substantial kind. Though, to each their own pace I guess.

 

What do you mean when you say 'votes aren't serious'? I think those made are obviously fluff, so I don't understand why you bring it up.

 

Yes, I am anxious to figure the game out. What I was looking for from you was a deeper understanding to show you're committed to the hunt. Telling me I seem to be looking for bad guys when a quarter of the thread is me doesn't actually help.

 

The comments made, while few, are mostly very dense. I think one could make reads from them if they wanted to.

 

Why are we treating everybody as scum, and not villagers, when villagers are 10/13 of the thread?

Again... lecturing Thane about something he hasn't done himself up until that point.

 

 

 

 

I don't know. There's a distinction between firing up a discussion about this to kick start the game..... than what I feel he was actually doing. He was fully advocating this tactic, not just discussing it. He might have tried to backtrack somewhat from it later on, but it doesn't change what he actually said. Which was leaving him be for now to fry the bigger fish. I also find it a bit odd that he's referring to himself as a weak player.

 

 

Well, for me, it's optimal because I'm confident in my ability to read individuals if I'm putting in the work.

Does this sound like someone who considers himself a weak player? Cause he sounds pretty confident in his capabilities. Just as much as he has in previous games.

 

While Sili is scummy in either alignment, I'm getting the feeling that the way he went about this "discussion" is iffy. So I'm going with my gut.

 

 

[v]Sili[/v]

You may be onto something. I didn't notice before the contradiction. I'd like to add pressure here.

 

[v]Sili [/v]

 

 

I´m generally conserned with votes that have "preassure" as a reason. It looks like an easy vote. And then you unvoted after Nyn unvoted. And now you have joined the most popular bandwagon although you still have a mafia read on Sili. (If I remember your last post right.) 

 

looking forward to more posts from you Thane, keeping my vote where it is.  sorry to hear about the RL crap though, good luck man *hugs*

 

@ Sili - still waiting on that post to me you promised man.  you can post that novella to other people but all i get is a "yeah i have a response to Red but its in limbo, lawl stupid tablet" isn't an excuse.  instead of posting the "had a post but its trapped in limbo on tablet" you could just retyped the post and posted it from you computer.

 

 

 

 

Thoughts so far: 

 

1. Verbal32 - is interested in the game and isn´t just spamming. Town read.

2. Sili Quirrels - the way he has posted a lot, not been afraid of starting the game makes me think he is town.

3. Thane Vakarian - I agree with those of you that voted Thane. The problem is that I saw the same behaviour last game and then he was town. Definitely on the fence. 

4. Hallia - nothing to comment on. 

5. Nolder - the flavour thing that Nyn pointed out was strange and what does it mean that I have a "cold opening"? 

6. TinaHel

7. The Crusher - nothing to comment on.

8. Nynaeve - good posts so far. 

9. Leelou - waiting to hear more from her. Nyn pointed out that it was weird that she had a town feeling from Nolder when he hadn´t written much. 

10. Kaylee - town feeling because I can understand where she is coming from. 

11. Andrej - as you can see above, not a good feeling.

12. dicetosser1 - nothing so far.

13. Red2111 - I don´t agree with her read on Sili and I don´t know why she has Nolder as town. Why is that, Red? 

 

 

i dislike your fence sitting on Thane backed by meta reasons.

 

i disagree with your assumption on Sili being town. Verb's points on what Sili used to get the game started are more valid.  theres also the apparent motive behind the topic he used to get the game started, which was aimed at Big Game Hunting and WIFOM surrounding who the scum might have recruited and why.  

 

and i stated why i have Nol as a town lean in my list.  its the same reason as Nyn and Verb being listed there.  his reaction to Sili rang legit

 

 

something red  i think it was said  about cory and the ventriliquist dummy keeps turning in my head. For that reason and tyhat reason only

 

 

vote crusher

 

moving you to Null to Scum pile.   i posted that as a joke, as well as the other 2 people listed in that initial post.

 

you wagoning on that joke reason, and trying to use it as a legit vote while posting "Red said this" to get me as a shield to hide behind motive wise pings hardcore, especially given the amount of sheer info in the thread now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I quoted the dialoge between AJ and Kaylee. AJ - so you are not worried about Kaylee anymore?

I have her more as null than anything. I think Verb's commentary on the subject had merit that I didn't consider previously.

Do you think I should be more concerned? The way your question is worded seems a bit insinuating.

This conversation felt weird to me. It felt like you were going to press Kayle and then you kind of "gave up to easy" after Kaylee had re-posted an earlier post. What post from Verbal was it?

It was more passing commentary on my part since we were on the topic. Initially it made me a bit wary but like I said previously I think Verb's observation had merit I hadn't thought of and made me reconsider my stance on it. The posts were like a page back. I'd pull them up more readily but I'm phone posting.

You didn't answer my question though.

Post it when you can.

 

If I think you should be conserned with Kaylee? That is up to you to decide. Do you think she is town? 

 

If I`m conserned with Kaylee? I have seen nothing scummy so far.

I have her as null currently.

 

When you say that you've seen nothing scummy from her is it safe for me to assume that you have her in your town pile then? If so I'm curious as to why you've brought up this line of questioning.

 

To what purpose do you think I would be letting her off easily? You're making a lot of implicit sort of connections, which I think is pretty suspect.

 

I didn´t have a connection between you in mind. More like you tried to see what would happen if you put some preassure on Kaylee but then you backed down quick. Now I get what you mean with Verb´s post. I´m not sure if I´m feeling better about it though. You tried something, got critique, then backed down. Easier to follow Verb? 

 

I´m having a hard time putting words on my feelings. I did get a good feeling from your posts initially when you criticised Sili´s idea of mafia picking "strong" players. But then you kind of stayed there and went overboard with it. Like it would be Sili´s fault if people started to vote that way - which you can see no one has. And then it was this thing with Kaylee. Sorry, can´t explain it better. It´s a feeling, but it´s based on how you have written your posts. Testing . . . see if it works . . . move on.  And that OMGUS vote didn´t look good. 

 

[v] AJ [/v]

 

"I didn´t have a connection between you in mind. More like you tried to see what would happen if you put some pressure on Kaylee but then you backed down quick. Now I get what you mean with Verb´s post. I´m not sure if I´m feeling better about it though. You tried something, got critique, then backed down. Easier to follow Verb?"

 

I think there may just be a misunderstanding between us then. The way you were phrasing your questions gave me the impression that you were alluding to some sort of connection between Kaylee and I, which I didn't understand and was seeking to clarify several times. As far as pressuring and backing down, it wasn't at all about me following Verb. I made a statement about Kaylee thinking one way and later reconsidered my point of view when Verb made a point that I could agree with and hadn't previously considered. Couple this with how Kaylee was direct in responding to me and re clarifying on the subject I was content to let it go with a "Fair enough". I don't see a problem with this but I guess I can see how you would think it negative? How you're characterizing my action wasn't my intent though - I just didn't see the point in pursuing it beyond that.

 

"I´m having a hard time putting words on my feelings."

 

Well, tbf if you're not able to articulate those feelings it definitely doesn't make my job any easier attempting to respond.

 

"I did get a good feeling from your posts initially when you criticised Sili´s idea of mafia picking "strong" players. But then you kind of stayed there and went overboard with it. Like it would be Sili´s fault if people started to vote that way - which you can see no one has."

 

I think part (a big part) of why the game hasn't taken that direction is because the idea was immediately stamped out by several players and for the most part we all seem to agree that it wasn't a good idea. In a way, he could be to blame if the game had taken that direction whether or not if that were his intention. It's something I mentioned earlier when I said I was still trying to decide where I thought he was coming from with the idea.

 

 

I´m still unsure about AJ but in this post he seems to try to understand me. It could be honest or it could be "to get me on his side". Not sure. I have seen some good comments from him later on as well. I´ll unvote and see if I want to come back to this later or not.

 

[unvote]

[Niniel]

 

 

 

You may be onto something. I didn't notice before the contradiction. I'd like to add pressure here.

[v]Sili [/v]

 

 

I'm not sure how I feel about this sentence.  This was Kaylee's response to Nyn's ISO on Sili.  I can't recall whether this is something Kaylee would post (like voicing her thoughts) or is this purposely placed to bandwagon.

 

I'm going to go with everything in everybody's post is there on purpose, so......this pings hard.

 

 

 

 

Dice is firmly in the scumlean pile for me. That vote and invite came off as a distraction attempt.

Also the Dice/Sili stuff feels forced. I don't like it, it doesn't come off as townie or legit to me.

@ AJ - why do your responses to the bold have a different background? U cut and pasting from a QT?
 

 

Yeah, this pings, too.  Basically, this is a potshot that has no grounding in actual scumhunting.

 

Basically, who the hell even does that?!  AJ is not a noob - he's not going to have anybody writing posts for him.  Actually, I'd say there is nobody in this game that should fall into that category of needing their posts pre-written like that by a  teammate.  Just bringing this up is shady.

 

 

I also don´t like that kind of arguments. I was lynched in a game last year because I copied from word. I have seen Red do this before.

[Cory Caboose]

3. You may not edit or delete posts in the game thread for any reason at any time.

 

You are all experienced players, the next time a rule is broken will result in an immediate modkill.

[Kaylee]

 

 

Also you didn't answer my question. What changed in that time to move Tina from suspicious to nothing scummy?

i had her as scummy cause clearing Sili in the way that she did raised the hair on my neck. it still does, enough for me not to move her above Null.

Thane's placating tone to Sili in his mini meltdown raised my hair as well, hence the start of my pressure on him.

 

unlike Thane though, Tina's had posts that came off as legit scum hunting, so she's back to Null until i get more info from her

Fair enough

[Thane Vakarian]

 

Also you didn't answer my question. What changed in that time to move Tina from suspicious to nothing scummy?

 

i had her as scummy cause clearing Sili in the way that she did raised the hair on my neck.  it still does, enough for me not to move her above Null.

Thane's placating tone to Sili in his mini meltdown raised my hair as well, hence the start of my pressure on him.

 

unlike Thane though, Tina's had posts that came off as legit scum hunting, so she's back to Null until i get more info from her

 

if i may comment on the bolded: i absolutely hate meltdowns, cursing, fighting or calling names in games. It makes the entire game unpleasant to read for me. That's why i tell people to leave the game, take a breather, and come back. It's a game, after all, which should be fun to play. 

[Thane Vakarian]

@cory: will the authors of the first three posts be modkilled too?

[Red2111]

 

 

Also you didn't answer my question. What changed in that time to move Tina from suspicious to nothing scummy?

 

i had her as scummy cause clearing Sili in the way that she did raised the hair on my neck.  it still does, enough for me not to move her above Null.

Thane's placating tone to Sili in his mini meltdown raised my hair as well, hence the start of my pressure on him.

 

unlike Thane though, Tina's had posts that came off as legit scum hunting, so she's back to Null until i get more info from her

 

if i may comment on the bolded: i absolutely hate meltdowns, cursing, fighting or calling names in games. It makes the entire game unpleasant to read for me. That's why i tell people to leave the game, take a breather, and come back. It's a game, after all, which should be fun to play. 

 

 

fair enough (but to be blunt, this is mafia, not exactly a kid friendly game for people without thick skins; ATE, MeltDowns, Emo-Rage and Fighting go hand in hand.  you just have to be able to separate game play from the person *shrugs*). 

 

still waiting on you to explain why you have the people you do in your pool of suspects though

[Kaylee]

Tina: as for Sili I'll copy from my reads post...2. Sili: Null to scum. I have a hard time reading him. His frustration seems genuine. His read posts had Hally and Crush at > 75% town when they have little to no content at the time. I had unvoted because of his response and frustration seeming real. after looking at him and ISO I have him as more null to possible scum.

 

I have a hard time reading him. I've explained why I unvoted it was the way he responded... Felt genuine but overall I'm not sure on him hence the null to scum.

[Niniel]

My comments to Red´s post disappeared.

 

1. I usually don´t clear people on D1. Actually, I think Sili is one of my few exceptions. I have played a few games with him recently both as mod, fellow mafia and found him as mafia when I was town. So I feel that I can read him well. 

 

2. You didn´t like me being on the fence about Thane because of meta reasons. I don´t know if he is mafia or town this game but I know he has been like that in other games and then he has been town. Now he has posted his list and I can´t say I´m wiser after reading it. On one side it looks like my own notes looks like (when I take notes), but on the other side I agree with Nyn that he didn´t add his comment to them. 

[The Crusher]

ok..

 

Silli still seems to be caught in the "shiny object" syndrome.  Introduced a topic and pretty much carried the early part of the game.   not feeling him for scum.  Just shiny

 

Verb:  Playing almost too townie for my taste.  Getting in and playing "Hall monitor".  Commenting what and why people should be feeling about what people are saying but not really sticking his nose in yet.  I could kill him for the thrill of it.  

 

Nolder:  did not read his long drown out response to Sill's pot.  He is not soap boxing about what he does and doesn;t like the way he has as town last couple games we played.  I could kill him too.

 

Leelou: playing reactively not really engaged yet.  Kinda waiting for questions and answering.  Not enough to comment. Not wann kill her cause boobs.

 

Nyn:  Best for town.  She is doing what she does as town.  Providing her opinion , good content and prodding players.  this is town nyn.  Still cause boobs won't kill.

 

Dice:  Not familiar with him.  He seem to interested in defending his funny vote on me that really did not need to be defended.  not familiar with him. I could kill him too.

 

Kaylee;  reminds me of a bobber when I go fishing.  Just bouncing around in the ripples of the game.  Not really sure on her yet.  Could kill but not that excited.

 

andrej: his last few post ring town. not familiar with him but the tone seems to fit the place the game is pretty well. Wont kill him. yet

 

Halia:  tough one for Crushlove to read.  Very tuff actually.  

 

Tina post have been pretty solid this game.  She is a good town read for me.

 

If I missed anyone.  I will get to you later.  Be patient.  Plenty of Crushlove to go around.

 

vote Nolder

[Niniel]

 

 

Also you didn't answer my question. What changed in that time to move Tina from suspicious to nothing scummy?

 

i had her as scummy cause clearing Sili in the way that she did raised the hair on my neck.  it still does, enough for me not to move her above Null.

Thane's placating tone to Sili in his mini meltdown raised my hair as well, hence the start of my pressure on him.

 

unlike Thane though, Tina's had posts that came off as legit scum hunting, so she's back to Null until i get more info from her

 

if i may comment on the bolded: i absolutely hate meltdowns, cursing, fighting or calling names in games. It makes the entire game unpleasant to read for me. That's why i tell people to leave the game, take a breather, and come back. It's a game, after all, which should be fun to play. 

 

 

I agree with this. 

[The Crusher]

3. You may not edit or delete posts in the game thread for any reason at any time.

 

You are all experienced players, the next time a rule is broken will result in an immediate modkill.

Sorry.  Don;t really read directions.  Only edited to highlight it.  

[Nynaeve]

Crusher made a boo boo

[Andrej]

Crusher made a boo boo

 

 

Who is Boo Boo?

 

meet Boo Boo

 

 

...weird.

[Niniel]

Again - can someone explain Dice´s post to me. Pretend that I´m a little child that doesn´t understand english. 

[Andrej]

Some of the stuff Crusher said I've been keeping close to chest irt certain players.

 

Feelz gud seeing it come from elsewhere.

[Andrej]

Again - can someone explain Dice´s post to me. Pretend that I´m a little child that doesn´t understand english. 

 

It has to do with Red's first post where she jokingly lists you, Dice and Crush as her top 3 suspects because of stuff Cory was doing with his profile pic/title header as if he were trying to hint to use which 'location' to go to as we were all given flavor for voting.

[Nynaeve]

Some of the stuff Crusher said I've been keeping close to chest irt certain players.

 

Feelz gud seeing it come from elsewhere.

 

huh?

[Thane Vakarian]

@Red: I'll try to hand my thoughts:

 

[Niniel]

 

Again - can someone explain Dice´s post to me. Pretend that I´m a little child that doesn´t understand english. 

 

It has to do with Red's first post where she jokingly lists you, Dice and Crush as her top 3 suspects because of stuff Cory was doing with his profile pic/title header as if he were trying to hint to use which 'location' to go to as we were all given flavor for voting.

 

 

Thanks. I´ll go back to read about it to get an oppinion of Dice. I just couldn´t follow the talk about his vote/unvote since I didn´t understand his post in the first place.

[Andrej]

 

Some of the stuff Crusher said I've been keeping close to chest irt certain players.

 

Feelz gud seeing it come from elsewhere.

 

huh?

 

Some of the things he mentioned I have had in the back of my mind moving forward.

 

I'd rather see how D1 shakes out before I get too into specifics but I'm seeing some things eye to eye with him on a few players.

[The Crusher]

Crusher made a boo boo

 

Boo Boo *sigh*