[Basic/Standard] A Wind in the Door Mafia - GAME OVER, TOWN WINS

[csarmi]

No passion.

[csarmi]

 

Sarmtosser (Dice/Csarmi hydra)

 

I definitely don't see csarmi go after a claimed survivor day 1. I can see dice doing it but definitely not csarmi. Dice posts also have some weird kind of aggressiveness that stands out - like this post subtly pushing Sleeper or his doggedness in lynching tommy here

 

HalliYates (Hallia/Yates hydra)

 

Yates whole argument with Cory was making a mountain of a molehill. Yeah, Cory suspected Hally on D1 but the whole build up by Yates seemed over the top. Also, he seems less annoyed that I am posting little and more defending me when others started suspecting me. That said, monstr/Yates talks seem w/w to me - like this response from monstr. I don't buy their claim yet - looks more like "if you kill us, you are going to be in trouble" claim.

 

I just sort of really feel like saying this since it's ONE thing that has made me feel weird this game

 

I gave SLIGHTLY town points to Hallia because after like 15+ pages she dropped in with a "csarmi null" read. But I also took down another note.

 

Hallia and csarmi typically get along well (this does matter) and csarmi can be ~easy to read as a villager because he's loud and enthusiastic and a few other things we know about csarmi that I don't want to get into atm. Specifically, if Scum!Hallia were reading the thread and saw Town!csarmi's VOLUME alone, she would probably not lean anything but villager on him for it.

I had two notes about this, actually. The first I thought about while I was arguing with Yates, was that Hallia might not have really been reading the thread (which is null-to-mildly-wolfy for her if so) and therefore my note was potentially nonsense. The second was the original note I wrote with it that, that if Hallia and csarmi were w-w it's very possible for Hallia to drop a null read on him instead of a villager read as she already knows something's up.

From what I understand of Hallia if she's scum.

 

Will think today on exactly what I want to pursue but food for thought.

 

Makes sense. So what it goes down to is that we are quite likely to share alignment with Hally. That doesn't contradict our current view on their slot (I have them town lean, Dice has them as lock town).

[Yates]

Also, [Yates] seems less annoyed that I am posting little and more defending me when others started suspecting me.

There's a big difference between "defending" you and looking for logical consistency/inconsistency. I was doing the later.

 

With that said; I'm actually NOT annoyed that you hadn't posted much. This is about the level of activity I've come to expect from you. It's annoying in general that you aren't a more consistent contributor but I also get that you aren't typically posting in real time. I'm over it.

 

I don't buy their claim yet - looks more like "if you kill us, you are going to be in trouble" claim.

The thing about our claim, as I pointed out in the claim, is that it presents new information confirmed by the mod. THAT is the important part of the claim, not the fear mongering you suggest. So this information has already been confirmed by at least one Townie and would be proven if either of us were to die. The informed minority [scum] typically likes to keep information like that to themselves so they can always push the "fake claim" angle if it gets later into the game. I took that weapon out of their arsenal.

[Yates]

@Yates, check Cory's progression. Not only is he transparent about how he is concerned about the nulls, but he also called Hally out on her Salami read. She is greyed in his PoE.

 

I don't count your "hey guys subscribing to the thread gn" post as an entrance.

Alright. This is actually a reasonable take [from your pov] that I don't think Cory was able to communicate to me earlier [or possibly that I wasn't going accept from him - which I will get into in the spoiler below]. I think you are downplaying the escalation from grey to deathening, though, given that he had other grays in his list. Still, I at least see what you are getting at.

 

Between you/Dice and me? [NO ONE BUT CSARMI/DICE READ THIS! ESPECIALLY CORY!!!]

The timing made it feel personal(*).

 

- Hally is humming along in gray territory as a low contributor

- I stop in to say I'm in the game now and will be contributing after sleep

- THEN Cory takes significantly more notice of the gray slot and decides to advertise that our slot needs deathening?

 

I wanted to know if he was legitimately considering Hally for death BEFORE my entrance OR if she was being "punished" for being my hydra partner. See what I'm saying here?

 

* When I say "personal" above, I mean it in the sense that you read ANY player you have a personal game history with differently. Also I know he isn't super fond of me due to conflicting playing styles/egos but that's really less of the concern.

 

So that's why it was probably a bigger deal for me than for the rest of you. And I understand why maybe something was being lost in translation for anyone casually perusing the argument that didn't know what I was actually trying to get out of that argument.

[csarmi]

Why did the monstr drop off the map?

[csarmi]

@Yates well i suppose it could be either way but i read it as genuine.

 

Who are your townies?

[Yates]

They haven't changed much since the Manbat list.

 

Talk to me about Err. Those early posts with how people claim to be leaning just aren't sitting right with me for some reason.

[Tommyrod]

Running my mash on POG has become a full time job. I'll try to catch up with this tonight. Sorry for troubles

[csarmi]

Sort of forgotten about Err. Dice asked me about him too. I liked his early posts to an extent. But i haven't revisited him.

 

I don't have time for a full read now but i can ISO on my tab.

[csarmi]

They haven't changed much since the Manbat list.Talk to me about Err. Those early posts with how people claim to be leaning just aren't sitting right with me for some reason.

Ah yea. I liked that fresh approach. He didnt seem to get anywhere with it tho.

[jmm]

I don't like pral's read on HalliYates. 

Yates' role claim is extremely early in the game.  This leaves tons of time for it to backfire in some way shape or form.  Not a good mafia play.  Either Yates is a mafia trying to throw an aggressive Cory off his trail and live another day or two (possible, but still not a good survival plan), or HalliYates really is a townie with potential to extend other town lives.  I have to believe the second is far more likely, even though I too was initially suspicious of HalliYates (and still not 100% convinced). 

Because odds are HalliYates is either a town or a really risky and probably soon to be exposed mafia, town probably shouldn't be reading them as scum. Town should want another town around, especially one who can extend the life of another town member.
 

[Yates]

Right. JMM. I almost forgot about you...

 

Where's my 3 Floyds?

 

Also, everything you said above may be true, but that isn't a post scum wouldn't make. What else have you got? Thoughts on Tommy and Err?

[jmm]

Right. JMM. I almost forgot about you...

 

Where's my 3 Floyds?

 

Also, everything you said above may be true, but that isn't a post scum wouldn't make. What else have you got? Thoughts on Tommy and Err?

 

Lunch break over - will let you know when I get home later today. 

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Sili (2) - jmm, Manbat
Tommy (3) - Sarmtosser, Tina, Lenlo
jmm (2) - Sili, CorMish
Pral (1) - Sleeper
Lenlo (1) - Tommy

Manbat (1) - Pral

Not voting (2): Err, HalliYates


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
 
Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, December 10 @ 8:30 PM MST
Countdown Link: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141210T2030&p0=197&msg=DAY+ONE+DEADLINE&csz=1
 
MOD NOTES:
* Mish will be unavailable from now until Thursday, December 11

[Hallia]

I don't like pral's read on HalliYates. 

 

Yates' role claim is extremely early in the game.  This leaves tons of time for it to backfire in some way shape or form.  Not a good mafia play.  Either Yates is a mafia trying to throw an aggressive Cory off his trail and live another day or two (possible, but still not a good survival plan), or HalliYates really is a townie with potential to extend other town lives.  I have to believe the second is far more likely, even though I too was initially suspicious of HalliYates (and still not 100% convinced). 

Because odds are HalliYates is either a town or a really risky and probably soon to be exposed mafia, town probably shouldn't be reading them as scum. Town should want another town around, especially one who can extend the life of another town member.

 

 

Why the turnaround on us?  Is it solely on our claim?

 

I didn't like your read on me to begin with, and I'm dubious now.

[Niniel]

They haven't changed much since the Manbat list.

 

Talk to me about Err. Those early posts with how people claim to be leaning just aren't sitting right with me for some reason.

 

I got a very townie feeling from his posts earlier but after that he disappeared. 

[Yates]

I got a very townie feeling from [Err's] posts earlier but after that he disappeared.

Yeah, a couple of people have said this. Can you be more specific, though? I'm having the opposite feeling and trying to see if I'm missing something so I can move on...

[Niniel]

I felt like he tried to be active by comparing people´s fos/voting pattern. It felt unnessesary job to do as mafia. But, as Csarmi said, he never followed up on them. Well, I don´t think he has been here at all after posting that.

[Yates]

I felt like he tried to be active by comparing people´s fos/voting pattern. It felt unnessesary job to do as mafia. But, as Csarmi said, he never followed up on them. Well, I don´t think he has been here at all after posting that.

You know what it is? Setting aside the fact I think it's a futile exercise that ultimately is unlikely to contribute anything of value, it looks like "busy work" that would be very easy for a newer [to the group at least] scum to hide behind. That's the feeling I can't shake.

 

Looking forward to seeing his analysis. Maybe he'll prove me wrong.

[Hallia]

I felt like he tried to be active by comparing people´s fos/voting pattern. It felt unnessesary job to do as mafia. But, as Csarmi said, he never followed up on them. Well, I don´t think he has been here at all after posting that.

 

You can move Csarmi to my townpile.  I didn't catch this, but this is what a csarmatown would do.

 

And it moves Err down.

[Cory Caboose]

I felt like he tried to be active by comparing people´s fos/voting pattern. It felt unnessesary job to do as mafia. But, as Csarmi said, he never followed up on them. Well, I don´t think he has been here at all after posting that.

He did this as Mafia in Cthulu Mafia.

 

Just worth keeping in mind. It's role-neutral. He makes his "lists" in either role.

[Hallia]

Is he normally pretty good about following up on them?

[Cory Caboose]

Check out the games and come up with a conclusion IMO

 

they are really short and if you just ISO his posts he doesn't have more than like 50/game

[Hallia]

Thanks Correh

[Pralaya]

I don't like pral's read on HalliYates. 

 

Yates' role claim is extremely early in the game.  This leaves tons of time for it to backfire in some way shape or form.  Not a good mafia play.  Either Yates is a mafia trying to throw an aggressive Cory off his trail and live another day or two (possible, but still not a good survival plan), or HalliYates really is a townie with potential to extend other town lives.  I have to believe the second is far more likely, even though I too was initially suspicious of HalliYates (and still not 100% convinced). 

Because odds are HalliYates is either a town or a really risky and probably soon to be exposed mafia, town probably shouldn't be reading them as scum. Town should want another town around, especially one who can extend the life of another town member.

 

 

They claimed at L-3, which is not too early. They were getting heat and defiitely expecting a couple more votes on them. I don't see it as a move which would spew them as town completely. Agreed that it is a risky move and there is a good chance they would be caught in the coming days. I wouldn't lynch them D1 but at the same time I am not going to call them town just because of the role claim.