[Standard] 11/10 Top Tier Vanilla+ Game Thread

[Andrej]

This is getting tiresome though. You old timers seem to prefer just to spin your wheels than actually try to pin down anyone, so have at it.

 

I'm out for the day.

[csarmi]

DPR you are either scum or stupid. Had enough of you.

[DPR]

  On 11/16/2014 at 8:29 PM, Andrej said:

Your disagreement doesn't make my statements untrue, at all.

 

All we have is conjecture until there's a body on the floor. I could be anyone. You could be anyone. 

 

  On 11/16/2014 at 8:30 PM, Andrej said:

This is getting tiresome though. You old timers seem to prefer just to spin your wheels than actually try to pin down anyone, so have at it.

 

I'm out for the day.

 

Pick up some prune juice?

[DPR]

  On 11/16/2014 at 8:33 PM, csarmi said:

DPR you are either scum or stupid. Had enough of you.

 

Yeah. That's what Yates said.

[csarmi]

Simply put you are insufferable. I don't even care whether you're town or Mafia.

 

Do whatever you want but leave me out of it.

[csarmi]

  On 11/16/2014 at 7:52 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 11/16/2014 at 3:40 PM, csarmi said:

 

No such thing as being townspewec until the sk flips. For instance, Arsis/Pray may just be anti town but not mafia and that would fit Nyn's picture.

 

Tl;dr - lynch scummy people and lynch people who got s umspewed but careful with the townspew stuff.

  On 11/16/2014 at 7:04 PM, csarmi said:

Yea that makes no sense as I'm town.

 

Also, how am I laying down cover for anti town behaviour?

  On 11/16/2014 at 7:09 PM, csarmi said:

BTW... That's simply not how I work at all. I wouldn't do what you imply as any alignment. For starters, I'm not deliberate like that. I don't manipulate ever. Just not how my mind works.

 

Simply put, I say what I mean and I mean what I say. In any game. Cause that's just how I roll.

 

I dunno the first thing about subtle.

 

I think you've seen me play already.

  On 11/16/2014 at 7:33 PM, csarmi said:

No DPR. I'm not saying I can't be Mafia because... I'm saying I wouldn't work that way regardless of my alignment. If you look for motivations and manipulation where none exists - and never will - you'll always be wrong.

The top post draws a distinction between "townspew" and other "spew", making the subtle suggestion that anything Yates said should be viewed dubious light.

 

It's clear that anything Yates said is already being looked at as dubious, thus no mention need be made of it. Unless someone was worried about a re-read or future action.

 

This, to me, goes directly against the one-dimensional and simple logic that you claim to always use. In a game focussed on deception.

 

My thought here is that it's always nice to breadcrumb a few posts to reflect back upon when your looking over dead bodies on D2.

 

##Vote Csarmi/Des

Also what the fluff are you even babbling about?

 

I'm saying that Yates (or anyone) spewing people town is not a thing because there is a third party (SK) in the game. So we should concentrate on trying to find his teammates... Not who CAN'T be their teammates.

 

I thought you could read being a writer and all.

 

Also you're using convoluted language which I don't even follow half the time. I don't even understand how you can get to these conclusions. Literally make no sense to me.

 

If I had a day vig I'd shoot you out of the game right here just so I don't have to read your rubbish and play in one game with you.

[csarmi]

Also what subtle suggestion? What?

I

Don't

Even

Get

It

 

Someone help me WTF is this guy saying?

 

Really what????

[csarmi]

 

 

  On 9/12/2014 at 8:03 PM, csarmi said:

Also you guys (not just Despo) keep attributing me things I just never do... things I'm completely incapable of. I don't even manipulate on concious level when I'm scum. I nevger do stuff for 'town credit" when I'm scum either. I don't see steps ahead and I don't know jack dung about the art of manipulation. I never try to confuse the thread and town cause I don't know how to. Never try to get town run in circles cause I'm just not skilled enough.

 

As scum I just do my 100% best to pretend (convince myself) that I'm town and try to scumhunt as honestly as humanly possible. That's all.

[Tommyrod]

Vote Count D2.9:

 

Verbarm (3): Nyn [#2192], Saladtosser [#2202], Darthe [#2224]

Wombat (1): Kivam [#1906]

Pral (1): Thane [#1931]

Kivam (1): Wombat [#2198]

Krak (1): AJ [#2223]

Deslami (1): DPR [#2316]

 

Unvote (3): Pral [#1985], Cass [#2187], Deslami [#2209]

 

Not Voting (5): Hallia, Krak, Rags, Tress, Verbarm

 

At the gallows: Verbarm

 

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.

 

[Cass]

For a topic that's so distracting, I do find it interesting that there's an awful lot of hypothesising about who could be the SK, coming from somebody who's also pushing the view that it's dubious to hunt the SK.

Des?

 

 

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  On 11/16/2014 at 12:55 PM, Kivam said:

Just getting back and starting to catch up, but I have to leave for an appointment in a bit.  Will work through what I can before I go and then come back

 

  On 11/14/2014 at 2:28 PM, Despothera said:

Pray, if you seriously are town here, don't ever be the first one to point to a post after someone flips scum and be like "haha, thank God this spews me town"

 

It just looks INCREDIBLY wolfy dude, and YOU'D be responsible for a mislynch on you here were that to happen. Let SOMEONE ELSE point that kind of thing out, yeesh.

 

@Kivam: I think that argument in general is as useless as an extra butthole on my elbow. Killing the SK is all fine and dandy, but the SK isn't exactly going to flare up a sign that says "Lynch me! I'm the SK!" so hunting for them would be basically more dubious than hunting mafia.

 

Let's find not-town and burn them with fire till they're dead, kk? Good.

 

Someone tell me whether Des has played in a SK game before, because if he has, this post is jumping up and down and waving its arms. 

 

Play this logic out, if you would: A SK is not going to do anything to make themselves huntable ... so, therefore, we ought to give up now or start random lynching once the scum is gone?  Pray that the SK was dumb enough to choose BPV over seer confirmation and that our seer will find him ?  Hope that a townie vig makes a pure lucky hero shot, or that scum does our work for us with an accidental NK?  No.

 

We need to be actively looking for the SK, because a lynch remains our best weapon.  Again, we shouldn't ignore obvious mafia because we are looking for a SK, so if we have a solid case on scum (or better, a seer view) we lynch them, but we can't get so lost in the weeds of associative logic that we forget that a SK doesn't have any. 

 

There are only three player types who don't want the town thinking this way: (1) an inexperienced player who doesn't know; (2) an experienced but bad player; or (3) a SK.  Which is why every time someone says "no, let's not keep our eyes out for SK possibilities", my antenna raise and stay raised.

 

@everyone: your thoughts on which of the 3 categories Des fits into?
 

 

 

  On 11/15/2014 at 1:04 PM, Despothera said:

I could TOTALLY see Kivam being the SK and pushing that we need to SK hunt so much on thread LAWLZ

Then again I could sorta see DPR being the SK as well- would explain why he appeared so scummy even tho it seems unlikely he's teammates with Yates (and I don't think "appearing scummy" is that subjective here, his pushing of Sili D1 and general evasiveness is imo pretty scummy)

 

 

  On 11/15/2014 at 6:44 PM, Despothera said:

Then again, if he WAS SK, I prob would've been his first target lol

 

 

  On 11/16/2014 at 2:38 PM, Despothera said:

@Kivam: nothing I said there is actually wrong. It IS more dubious to hunt a SK than hunt scum. Sure, you can look for someone "playing in the middle" or slightly too worried about self-preservation, but there will often be multiple people who would arguably fit in that category. Hell, you yourself would fit in that category atm.

 

  On 11/15/2014 at 9:10 PM, TheRagnarok said:

 

  On 11/15/2014 at 8:43 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 11/15/2014 at 7:56 PM, TheRagnarok said:

 

  On 11/15/2014 at 6:43 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 11/15/2014 at 5:45 PM, TheRagnarok said:

Guys, DPR being a condescending douche ITT doesn't make him scum. And the way Yates tried to push him makes him look good.

I agree this makes him less likely to be mafia. He COULD still be SK however.

What? No! Being as this is evidently his SOP, it has no bearing on his alignment whatsoever.

No the condescending douche thing doesn't, sorry if that wasn't clear
He could be SK cause of his really fake looking push on Sili yesterday about "evidence", his talking about seer cover more than anyone even while fosing those talking about it, and general evasiveness when people engage him
The crazy thing is, I kind of don't WANT him to be scum here, cause were actually being semi reasonable to one another today, and if he IS scum, I could see him devolving the game or painting me out as an emo psycho mess again just to keep town from lynching him. If he's town I'd rather that became more obvious through other means.
Unfortunately, he "doesn't want to give the opposition talking points" and I guess that means he's gonna stay in his snake oil salesman outfit and continue being cryptic the rest of the game

Oh I gotcha now.

And if you're town, aren't you supposed to hope people are town?

Des, is it just me or is something different about you this game?

 

 

 

 

 

 

And it's even more interesting when you consider this from his other half...

 

 

 

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  On 11/16/2014 at 1:14 PM, csarmi said:

Also in a game with 4 shots per day I'd be choosing BPV as SK 100% of the time and play pro-town.

 

 

[Darthe]

Salami I dont currently think youre scum (Des and you are light green for me) but DPR is highlighting something here that is valid. You and Des are both reacting very defensively to nearly everything this game. The whole "I wouldnt do this as scum" angle rings hollow as well.

 

Ignoring DPR for now what direction do you want to go today?

[Cass]

Am I right though, in thinking that we are better to vote for who we think is scum, rather than who we think is SK? Even if we just became a pretty decent target? Lol

[Nynaeve]

Cass, looking forward to hear your thoughts about my Verbram ISOs :)

[Cass]

Hey Nyn, about to run off to drs appt (already late) will get back to you asap. Were interesting, also have a few thoughts to add. :)

And also ^^ (#2335) that was a really bad move, wasn't it? *headdesk* 

 

Des, tell me that I'm wrong?

[DPR]

  On 11/16/2014 at 10:14 PM, Cass said:

Am I right though, in thinking that we are better to vote for who we think is scum, rather than who we think is SK? Even if we just became a pretty decent target? Lol

 

You take down every threat to the town you can, every chance you get to do it. There's no particular order.

[DPR]

  On 11/16/2014 at 10:25 PM, Cass said:

Hey Nyn, about to run off to drs appt (already late) will get back to you asap. Were interesting, also have a few thoughts to add. :)

 

And also ^^ (#2335) that was a really bad move, wasn't it? *headdesk* 

 

Des, tell me that I'm wrong?

 

Why would you presenting factual posts be a bad move?

 

Your question to him is a bit off though - you shoulda asked him to reveal the result of his investigation.

 

It's amazing to me how many Seers we had yesterday and yet we have no results today... But "Seer Cover" is an awesome move. Believe it. 

[WWWwombat]

Licking fingers and bathrobe jedi cracked me up.

[Cass]

@DPR - Cos I have a bad habit of rushing in with new 'information' and don't think far enough ahead before I hit 'post' and make myself a target? And then I second guess myself cos there's still so much I don't know about this game! *throws hands up in the air and laughs @ self*

 

I've had some decent sleep last night though, and have comments to post re you and Kiv also, when I'm not mobile/am able to use quotes.

 

But, good point/s.

 

Des, you posed a lot of possibilities - who do you think is most likely/why? In a nutshell. Cos I agree and kinda want the convo to get back to hunting scum.

[hazelkrs1]

@Nyn: most of the time I would agree with you that scum spew from Yates wouldn't be considered the MOST reliable, but in this case I think that it's fairly easy to deduce he was playing for the long game so it's prob more reliable than usual

 

Anyways, keep doing what you do. Pray still might be scum I suppose /shrug

[hazelkrs1]

  On 11/16/2014 at 3:40 PM, csarmi said:

No such thing as being townspewec until the sk flips. For instance, Arsis/Pray may just be anti town but not mafia and that would fit Nyn's picture.

 

Tl;dr - lynch scummy people and lynch people who got s umspewed but careful with the townspew stuff.

Obv a valid point

[hazelkrs1]

  On 11/16/2014 at 10:25 PM, Cass said:

Hey Nyn, about to run off to drs appt (already late) will get back to you asap. Were interesting, also have a few thoughts to add. :)

 

And also ^^ (#2335) that was a really bad move, wasn't it? *headdesk*

 

Des, tell me that I'm wrong?

If you're referring to thinking I'm scum, then yes, you are wrong.

 

As far as the SK discussion, YES, I DO think SKhunting is more dubious, but you'll find I often contradict myself and waste time on crap I myself told others not to waste time about.

 

/shrug

[hazelkrs1]

As far as top scum read, I wanna reevaluate things tonight. Been focused in fantasy football the past day or so, and had company over as well. Going back to work tonight so I'll redo a POE and see if that helps narrow it down

[Cass]

@Des lol for wasting time - I've definitely done that too.

 

Was more a SK-read question though *shrugs back*

[WWWwombat]

Also, we didn't really have that many seer covers yesterday DPR.  We currently have 4 left.  That's pretty terrible seer cover actually.  I'm willing to continue releasing seer cover peeks but at some point, we might end up giving the scum more info than we give the town.

[DPR]

  On 11/17/2014 at 1:48 AM, WWWwombat said:

Also, we didn't really have that many seer covers yesterday DPR.  We currently have 4 left.  That's pretty terrible seer cover actually.  I'm willing to continue releasing seer cover peeks but at some point, we might end up giving the scum more info than we give the town.

 

4 who have all chosen to withhold their results. Why is that? They no longer wish to provide any cover? They all want to release their info tomorrow for a huge CFD?

 

Or is it because at some point, no matter how many people join in, it becomes obvious that all you are doing is helping the scum team by narrowing the field. How many fake seers are going to name scum as town? How many scum are going to name townies as town and gain cred that way? All of the way until end game when the only people confused are the town.

 

It's a scum plan invented to benefit scum, just like tone reading. That's why the scum GF started it in this game and why I've voted for the henchmen that pushed it. 

 

You're better off coming up with legit deal than appealing to the masses.