[Advanced] Kronos and Kaylee's Firefly Mafia Won

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

No broskis, it's still pretty simple.

 

If there are 3 wagons and 1 is a wolf, it's far more beneficial to the wolves to stack one of the wagons and have the wagons be like 6-2 rather than have three wagons and make them 3-3-2, because the chance that the wolf can get randomly CFD'd by a mood swing is much greater with spread votes.

 

Thane was a leader wagon over Hallia, partially thanks to Yates championing the Thane wagon. When the SP wagon was proposed, Yates argued to keep votes on the Thane wagon, thus maintaining the strong vote lead to prevent a Hallia wagon from taking off. Whether he meant to do this or not is not my current argument; it's the fact that this was the consequence of his actions.

 

You cannot argue otherwise. Because it doesn't make any sense to argue otherwise.

Nope Nope NOPE. Your argument is invalid

 

Three wagons means there is roughly ~33% chance of each getting lynched. Two wagons means each wagon is roughly ~50% likely to get lynched

 

Play better Tommy

This is absolutely false when the wagons are lopsided.

The wagons weren't really lopsided tho- they were pretty even for long amounts of time throughout D1

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

 

Tom's posts this phase are pretty bad I'll admit

Why?

You're basically pulling the Salami move of trying to question an unclear obvious townies and making poor attempts to do so at that

Who, AJ? I am telling him to look in the mirror, not getting at him. But I just watched two games be lost due to blind spots. Wolves are miscleared in almost every game. It's still pretty early in the game and slots should be reassessed after unexpected developments.

You're trying to unclear AJ, trying to soft push against me, and clinging to your weak "case" on Yates. We're all town.

 

Furthermore you're basically not talking at all about people like Hallia or Leelou, people who SHOULD be consensus scum reads for any townie here

 

Furthermore you're trying to get us to search for the deep wolf instead of focus on obvscum, something YOU YOURSELF have harped on endlessly about lately while disparaging DM towns

I'm not doing any of those things, actually.

 

Is this when you pretend you believe something to gauge for reactions? Because it's dumb.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

No broskis, it's still pretty simple.

 

If there are 3 wagons and 1 is a wolf, it's far more beneficial to the wolves to stack one of the wagons and have the wagons be like 6-2 rather than have three wagons and make them 3-3-2, because the chance that the wolf can get randomly CFD'd by a mood swing is much greater with spread votes.

 

Thane was a leader wagon over Hallia, partially thanks to Yates championing the Thane wagon. When the SP wagon was proposed, Yates argued to keep votes on the Thane wagon, thus maintaining the strong vote lead to prevent a Hallia wagon from taking off. Whether he meant to do this or not is not my current argument; it's the fact that this was the consequence of his actions.

 

You cannot argue otherwise. Because it doesn't make any sense to argue otherwise.

Nope Nope NOPE. Your argument is invalid

 

Three wagons means there is roughly ~33% chance of each getting lynched. Two wagons means each wagon is roughly ~50% likely to get lynched

 

Play better Tommy

This is absolutely false when the wagons are lopsided.

The wagons weren't really lopsided tho- they were pretty even for long amounts of time throughout D1

Until Yates pushed the Thane wagon hard.

 

Which is exactly what I said days ago.

 

Welcome to logic. It's nice here. We have cider.

[hazelkrs1]

No, it means I understand basic mafia concepts.

 

Player A: "I investigated B as scum."

Player B: "I'm town. I don't know what to tell you, but you're wrong."

Player A: "No, I'm definitely the cop and you're definitely scum. Everybody needs to lynch you."

 

 

One of those two HAS to be lying. You couldn't have both targeted Wombat and NOT had a night action. Your play made a hell of a lot more sense this game as town this game, so I went on Sili. I don't see how you can NOT try to resolve that contradiction there.

No, this is you trying to oversimplify the situation to set up straw man arguments for you to take a stance on

 

The fact is you HAVE to consider the circumstances around each situation. In THIS situation all the VC stuff and spam clearly indicated SOMETHING strange was going on

 

The fact that you are being completely unwilling to see this only confirms you as scum moar in my eyes.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

 

 

No broskis, it's still pretty simple.

 

If there are 3 wagons and 1 is a wolf, it's far more beneficial to the wolves to stack one of the wagons and have the wagons be like 6-2 rather than have three wagons and make them 3-3-2, because the chance that the wolf can get randomly CFD'd by a mood swing is much greater with spread votes.

 

Thane was a leader wagon over Hallia, partially thanks to Yates championing the Thane wagon. When the SP wagon was proposed, Yates argued to keep votes on the Thane wagon, thus maintaining the strong vote lead to prevent a Hallia wagon from taking off. Whether he meant to do this or not is not my current argument; it's the fact that this was the consequence of his actions.

 

You cannot argue otherwise. Because it doesn't make any sense to argue otherwise.

Nope Nope NOPE. Your argument is invalid

 

Three wagons means there is roughly ~33% chance of each getting lynched. Two wagons means each wagon is roughly ~50% likely to get lynched

 

Play better Tommy

This is absolutely false when the wagons are lopsided.

The wagons weren't really lopsided tho- they were pretty even for long amounts of time throughout D1

Until Yates pushed the Thane wagon hard.

 

Which is exactly what I said days ago.

 

Welcome to logic. It's nice here. We have cider.

Nope, wrong again Tommy

 

Hallia wagon started dying down when I peeled my vote off her

 

The votes stalled in general, peeps tried a CFD on SP (you and Leelou from what I remember) and Yates discouraged that and said lynch should be between Thane and Hallia.

 

At that point, EITHER OF THOSE TWO could have gained traction. Yates doing that with scummate Hallia makes zero sense there

[Clovdyx]

 

No, it means I understand basic mafia concepts.

 

Player A: "I investigated B as scum."

Player B: "I'm town. I don't know what to tell you, but you're wrong."

Player A: "No, I'm definitely the cop and you're definitely scum. Everybody needs to lynch you."

 

 

One of those two HAS to be lying. You couldn't have both targeted Wombat and NOT had a night action. Your play made a hell of a lot more sense this game as town this game, so I went on Sili. I don't see how you can NOT try to resolve that contradiction there.

No, this is you trying to oversimplify the situation to set up straw man arguments for you to take a stance on

 

The fact is you HAVE to consider the circumstances around each situation. In THIS situation all the VC stuff and spam clearly indicated SOMETHING strange was going on

 

The fact that you are being completely unwilling to see this only confirms you as scum moar in my eyes.

 

 

If SOMETHING STRANGE means that there's a role in this game that allows somebody to force an investigative result on another player in an attempt to cause a lynch on another player I legitimately don't care that I'm wrong.  Town will never win against that role.  

 

Now, it could be that Kaylee just doesn't care about balance and nobody saw it and said "Yeah, that's unfair", but I feel pretty comfortable assuming that Sili was just saying things.  It's possible that she included a role that required him to change his vote every five seconds and made the game impossible for anybody to read - including herself, when attempting to find actual votes - but again, I'm pretty comfortable he was just being annoying.

 

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.  I'm not going to feel bad because I'm trusting the moderator actually tried to make a game that doesn't include an overpowered troll role that makes mislynches all but guaranteed.

[csarmi]

Wait you're trying to argue that Sili wasn't being controlled? WTF.

[Tommyrod]

You're wrong Des. Your unvote happened long before. Hallia wagon was still tied with Thane after you took your vote off her:

 

 

Official Vote Count

 

 

Csarmi (2): Clov
Wombat (1): Csarmi
Thane (3): Des, Hally, Yates
Hally (3); Alanna, AJ, Tommy
Sili (1): Sili
 

Not Voting (7): SP, Pral, Verbal, Wombat, Thane, Leelou, Nyn

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch. 

 

Deadline - Today 8:30 PM MST

 

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

 

No, it means I understand basic mafia concepts.

 

Player A: "I investigated B as scum."

Player B: "I'm town. I don't know what to tell you, but you're wrong."

Player A: "No, I'm definitely the cop and you're definitely scum. Everybody needs to lynch you."

 

 

One of those two HAS to be lying. You couldn't have both targeted Wombat and NOT had a night action. Your play made a hell of a lot more sense this game as town this game, so I went on Sili. I don't see how you can NOT try to resolve that contradiction there.

No, this is you trying to oversimplify the situation to set up straw man arguments for you to take a stance on

 

The fact is you HAVE to consider the circumstances around each situation. In THIS situation all the VC stuff and spam clearly indicated SOMETHING strange was going on

 

The fact that you are being completely unwilling to see this only confirms you as scum moar in my eyes.

If SOMETHING STRANGE means that there's a role in this game that allows somebody to force an investigative result on another player in an attempt to cause a lynch on another player I legitimately don't care that I'm wrong. Town will never win against that role.

 

Now, it could be that Kaylee just doesn't care about balance and nobody saw it and said "Yeah, that's unfair", but I feel pretty comfortable assuming that Sili was just saying things. It's possible that she included a role that required him to change his vote every five seconds and made the game impossible for anybody to read - including herself, when attempting to find actual votes - but again, I'm pretty comfortable he was just being annoying.

 

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I'm not going to feel bad because I'm trusting the moderator actually tried to make a game that doesn't include an overpowered troll role that makes mislynches all but guaranteed.

That scum tell where scum like closing off discussions instead of continuing lines of discourse to either make their stance as clear as can be or to determine the alignment of the other participant in the discussion

[hazelkrs1]

Look, it's simple people.

 

Hallia, Leelou, and Clov are all CONFIRMED

 

Thunderdome between Tommy and Verb for last scum slot

 

Easy peasy

[Alanna]

It was actually kind of the CFD on SP that put Thanes train ahead of Hally. I think thane had 4 votes at the time, and Hally 3. Wombat took his vote off Hally then to vote SP, putting thane ahead by 2, and after that is when votes started piling in Thane.

[Nynaeve]

I actually kinda agree with Clov. Which 1. LOL  and 2. I think the VC and post control that some people are suggesting would make sense in a bastard game. I want to believe Kaylee wouldn't put something like that in her game. I have a feeling that post game we're gonna discover that Silli was simply trying some stupid gambit that makes zero sense. It's not something I'm gonna bother arguing about though... cause Silli has been lynched and it's neither here nor there.

[Nynaeve]

Does someone remember what was Silli's read on Des?

[Hallia]

My WIM has been pretty firmly damaged.  It stinks that you guys wouldn't even consider the possibility that I'm town.

[Nynaeve]

 

I actually kinda agree with Clov. Which 1. LOL  and 2. I think the VC and post control that some people are suggesting would make sense in a bastard game. I want to believe Kaylee wouldn't put something like that in her game. I have a feeling that post game we're gonna discover that Silli was simply trying some stupid gambit that makes zero sense. It's not something I'm gonna bother arguing about though... cause Silli has been lynched and it's neither here nor there.

 

Actually... and I'm not arguing but I want to throw this thought out there.

 

If he was controlled... why not just have him lie about tracking Des and leave it at that?   If we ended up believing him we would have lynched Des. And if Des flipped town... we would have followed up with lynching Silli for lying. Thereby achieving two mislynches. Easy peasy.

 

if Scum were controlling him they'd have zero interest for it to be apparent that something was off. After all they'd WANT us to mislynch him. 

[Nynaeve]

Also... I'll be ISOing Verbal when day kicks in. Been thinking about it loads. Between him saying he'd sheep his town reads and him stlll not having a read on Lee.... I wanna take a look and see if he actually took stances on anyone and evaluate his level of involvement with the game's happenings. I'm having a hard time remembering his content.

[csarmi]

 

I actually kinda agree with Clov. Which 1. LOL  and 2. I think the VC and post control that some people are suggesting would make sense in a bastard game. I want to believe Kaylee wouldn't put something like that in her game. I have a feeling that post game we're gonna discover that Silli was simply trying some stupid gambit that makes zero sense. It's not something I'm gonna bother arguing about though... cause Silli has been lynched and it's neither here nor there.

 

 

Actually... and I'm not arguing but I want to throw this thought out there.

 

If he was controlled... why not just have him lie about tracking Des and leave it at that?   If we ended up believing him we would have lynched Des. And if Des flipped town... we would have followed up with lynching Silli for lying. Thereby achieving two mislynches. Easy peasy.

 

if Scum were controlling him they'd have zero interest for it to be apparent that something was off. After all they'd WANT us to mislynch him.

Because they'd also have to do a convincing Sili imitation. Which doesn't seem very easy.

 

Also i can't see how people enough.ll arguing about this ut was clear yesterday already. Apparently not clear enough.

 

This is an advanced game BTW.

[Nynaeve]

Advanced game doesn't equal bastard modding. But w/e, it's not something I'm gonna waste time on arguing.

[Nynaeve]

 

Because they'd also have to do a convincing Sili imitation. Which doesn't seem very easy.

 

I had to respond to this, though.

 

Silli is a new player. How much convincing does it have to be?  lol

[Nynaeve]

Either way, Salami, you've been sitting back gloating how you were right and everyone else is derping up. How is this conducive to scumhunting? Contribute more, gloat less. Leave the gloating for post game if you're SO sure you're right about everything. But I'm kinda getting tired of you scolding us for mistakes. The point here is to look forward, not to play the "I told you so." game. it's tacky.

[Tommyrod]

Nyn why are all the boys a bunch of dumbs in this game

[Andrej]

I think my reads are pretty good.

[Nynaeve]

Nyn why are all the boys a bunch of dumbs in this game

 

Well it's not like it's limited to this game specifically.

[Tommyrod]

I think my reads are pretty good.

Not mutually exclusive to being a dumb

[Tommyrod]

 

 

Nyn why are all the boys a bunch of dumbs in this game

Well it's not like it's limited to this game specifically.

I blame Cory