[Advanced] Kronos and Kaylee's Firefly Mafia Won

[Sili Quirrels]

you having fun, guy? 
 
im sorry. ignore the spam. i am not told who is doing it. it is frustrating for me too. 
 
but what i said is true. Despothera killed wombat. At least I can help with this.

[Hallia]

[unvote]

 

[v] Sili [/v]

[Nynaeve]

I'm kinda having an off day. Pulled a muscle and been in bed all day.... so I'm prolly not gonna be that active today.

 

But here's the Pral ISO:

 

 

 

Checks in. Throws a rant about the activity rule. Bla bla bla

 

After three RL days he posts again to say that he caught up to page 50 so far and for some reason decides to give his reads at that point, instead of finishing his catch up first. Says he has like 50 more pages to read, but for now gives AJ, Des and Alanna town reads. Gives some reasoning that look okay.... I agree about Des and Alanna....though I'm not that sold on AJ myself... we'll see I guess. Gives Wombat, Csarmi and and Thane a slight town lean. Null to scum: Silli, Yates, SP, Verbal, Clov. Scum reads: Halli Leelou me.

 

I think most of his town leans weren't bad and matched some of my own, but most of his scum leans are are baffling to me. And the reasons behind them were legit bad.

 

While I've been going back and forth about Hallia, his reasons for naming her scummy didn't make sense to me. He said she's too playful. FYI she's playful in both alignments. Says she's been buddying people. Halli always buddies people and is all sickly sweet as either alignment. He says he gets her vote on Alanna, which I actually get too. But that he wasn't a fan of her unvoting, which I disagree with. Alanna explained and Halli stepped back. I don't see what doesn't make sense about the sequence of events. He also didn't like her random vote on Wombat. Only I don't see why he's labeling it random. Hallia's first game related post in the game was her noting that Wombat was being over defensive. And when she casts her vote on Wombat, she chooses to trust Tom and AJ and follow their lead, which she often does when she's confused and doesn't know what to do. I did pick up a confusion vibe from quite a few of her posts that I pointed at in her ISO. So all in all the reasons he presented for finding her scummy don't really hold much ground imo.

 

Leelou's reasons for being on his scum lean list are totally bogus. Yes, she's been struggling with keeping up with the game. This game is super active with Salami, Tommy and even myself with up to or over 500 posts each. Not to mention the posts of all the other players. She works. She has social engagements I was aware of before the game even started and she always took care to post in the thread and tell us if she wasn't gonna be around. So her scarceness is completely null. She's not "lurking". Plus I feel she has provided good content with her posts. So not only do I feel like he's completely off base about her, using activity to name her scum is garbage.

 

As for me. I won't go into length about it because I already responded to him about it. But he starts off his explanation about me with "It does look like she's trying to scumhunt and solve the game, but I don't like her little nudges." I find it weird that he acknowledges this an yet has me in his scum list instead of null to scum since he did seem to give me at least some props about trying to solve the game. Then he quotes me openly suggesting my top scum suspect to be vigged as an example of my SUBTLE hints. LOL   And then later on he quotes me saying I have no problem lynching salami, while I'm voting someone else, even though I've listed salami in my scum leans, which included three people at the time (Clov, Halli, Salami). He claims I said it to 'play it safe' even though I did have my vote on salami earlier, but since people weren't really seeing it my way, I moved on to my next scum lean. 

 

Then he moves on to saying I've been buddying both Tommy and Leelou, who are also his scum leans and that all three of us were going after Clov. Only I've had Tommy and Leelou on my town leans hence working with them. I've been agreeing with Tommy a lot specifically because he's making sense to me.... and Clov was acting slimy. Not to mention that I find it kinda ridiculous that he thinks that us allegedly buddying with each other and going for the same person, for reasons that have been spoken to death, is a scum tell. But whatever floats his boat. Heh.

 

As for his scum read on Tommy, he claims he goes for easy pushes as scum. I don't think that the whole thing with Clov was an 'easy' push. I think both of us felt that Clov's tone was off. Fine, we were prolly wrong. But if Tommy wanted easy, he had LOADS of easier venues to peruse, like Silli, Hallia, SP or even Alanna. Clov would definitely not be someone I'd consider easy to misrep. So again, I disagree and also feel that the reasoning behind it is bogus. 

 

Tommy confronts him about this and Pral responds that it's the reasons that seem "easy". ie having a scum lean based on like one or two things. First of all, I think it's ironic considering the reasons behind Pral's scum leans. I also think this is false. Tommy interacted with Clov a lot and they had tons of exchanges where Tommy explained what it was about Clov that bothered him. It wasn't JUST because of the supposed gambit in the beginning. It was more than that. And I don't care for the way Pral is trying to minimize it into having one reason.

 

Then later on he responds to me and says that I was saying "Oh, I find Csarmi scummy but I am not voting him unless others do". Which again, is a load of horse crap. I had my vote on Salami. No one else was feeling the same way I was. So I moved to my next scum lean. But as Salami was continuing to ping all over the place, I responded that I was still up for switching my vote back to him. Then Pral adds that me asking for Clov to be vigged is scummy cause he's seen scum do it in previous games. Which is basically a made up scum tell from his part and ridiculous... I've seen people from either alignment doing it and considering that at that point I was all about lynching Clov, I think it was rather apparent that I thought he was scum and I wanted him dead. Him repeating his nonsense doesn't change the fact that it's still nonsense and it makes the whole thing even funnier because he seems to hold on to these two things to maintain a scum read on me that isn't even close to being warranted.

 

There's a whole exchange between Pral and Clov where Clov kinda defends Tom. Too dead to get what they were talking about, but here's a link to it if you wanna read it: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91368-advanced-kronos-and-kaylees-firefly-mafia-day-2/?p=3357224

 

After catching up to page 100 he says Tommy and I look a bit better but still suspects due to the first 50 pages. Says again how it bothered him that Tommy was going after easy targets, which again... I'd hardly call Clov an easy target. Then says Leelou still looks bad and points out again how she's being less active, even though as I said before, she always gave us full detail of her schedule. I know people lie in mafia so you can never rule it out.... but I think that he latched on to this meta read that I wasn't even aware of myself.... ie I never really felt that Lee posts a ton as town and very little as scum. He says he doesn't like her nudges and gives an example of one post where Wombat is talking about Salami and she gives her insight about how Salami reacts in her experience when questioned about his reads. I don't see how her comment is scummy or why Pral read it that way. I didn't really see anything that bothered me about Lee's content and I feel like she is trying to figure things out in the time she has available to her.

 

Then he adds that Silli looks worse. I don't really agree with him but at least I could see kinda what he means. Posts an updated read list: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91368-advanced-kronos-and-kaylees-firefly-mafia-day-2/?p=3358912   Then he goes on and votes Leelou.

 

Then after Thane flips Pral looks at the VC and says Tommy and I tipped the scales on the Thane train by voting him and according to him I took extra effort to clear Halli. Which again, is false. I had three scum leans, two of which were off the table as the game progressed. Thane was a competing train some of my town leans were supporting. I did a thorough ISO on both and Thane, while not horrible at first kept getting scummier while Halli started off looking bad but as the game progressed started to look better. I made a judgement call. Blame me of having sh*t reads this game, if you like. But that's about as much as I'm gonna allow. 

 

He quotes my post after Thane flips where I say i should have followed my gut and that I was sorry. He says it sounds fake which like... W/E. Feels like he's taking extra care to paint me in a negative way. Good luck with that.

 

He thnks the scum team are: Tommy, me, Leelou and Halli. I think he's got at least 3 townies in there, if not 4. I still can't believe these are actually his reads.

 

When confronted by tom he says he has given him the benefit of the doubt but that with Thane's train building so quickly makes us look bad. Which is, again, false. There was nothing quick about this train. He seems very determined to shift the focus on the people on the train alone for scumhunting. Not to say that there aren't scum on it but in my experience scum teams can easily all pile together or spread out. Hard to say. But I don't like the way he's trying to twist the wagonomics. Or the fact that he's not even commenting about Des unvoting close to the deadline while being the first one in the game to go after Thane or AJ's comment close to the deadline..... he sees what he wants to see and the rest just doesn't matter. I would have expected him to at least mention it since it was one of the things that were noted in regards to oddities around the deadline. It also bugs me that he keeps saying that I shifted the votes towards Thane. It was 6 hours before deadline and we HAD to reach a consensus. I did all that I can to make an educated decision and I have no regrets on how I handled it.

 

Then he gets all wha wha you're trying to misrep me. I'm not really doing much though, it's all you, Pral. I really hope I'm right about you being scum because if you're town.... might want to take a bit of vacation to get your mojo back because.... DAMN. Then he goes off at me saying he's inactive and throws around his 27 pages in a 177 pages game as being relatively active for him. Yeah whatever you say, Pral. Apparently you have no problem going after Leelou for activity levels... but when someone mentions your activity level you spit fire.

 

Then he says that all the people he called scum are ganging up on him. First of all, lol. Secondly, you don't have anything to worry about..... right? I mean if your reasoning is so solid than your cases will hold. Though personally I think your house of cards is looking kinda shaky.

 

Then Pral tells me off for expecting him to actually try to interact to see if... you know... maybe he's wrong about one of his reads... or two... or all of'em. He hangs on tight to his meta and says he never does this and how dare I say such a thing and omg, I'm so obviously missrepping him and this is EXACTLY why he thinks I'm scum lol   Sure, Pral. Sure.

 

Pral doesn't make sense and is twisting things to suit his agenda. Leelou didn't nudge salami. She gave input from her experience with him. I considered Thane since he was one of the competing trains so I looked into all of his posts and changed my stance which was a light town lean. Last time I checked, I'm allowed to do that. Tommy didn't start the game with easy pushes. He had every reason to go after Clov, which is NOT an easy push by any means.

 

Pral, all of your points are BAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd and some are downright false. I'm not sure if like you're completely blind this game or if you're just trying to stri sh*t up as scum. But the tone you're taking with me and how you're trying to victimize yourself by claiming that you're being ganged up on is you overplaying your hand. Can't find substantial rubbish to pin on me so now you're baiting me to show just how obviously scummy I am?  Heh.  You love your meta that much? Lets explore it. Usually in games you give your reads but don't push them yourself. Here you are pushing... and pushing hard.... you're out of your town range, my friend.

 

 

Nothing further to note really. I said my piece.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vote Pral

[Tommyrod]

Sucks that it'll be like 6 hours before Des is even around.

[Nynaeve]

Meh, gonna catch up since apparently quite a few pages were added since I last checked in...

[Tommyrod]

Jesus Nyn. That's hella work. Props. I'll read it when I get home.

[Alanna]

Okay. I'm only up to page 153 on my reread (which I started around page 130...wanted to look back at EOD stuff). I want to read through the rest of it, but I have to go run some errands and want to get a few questions out before I go. (Also, not ignoring the Sili stuff, but I don't think there's much to do about him and his claims until Despo gets in here.)

 

Leelou, why did you vote for Thane? Did you ever scumread him earlier in the game? (I can't recall, and like I said, only went back to page 130). Just wondering because when you voted him, you didn't really give any reason.

 

 

[Alanna]

Yates, about this:

 

 

 

I don't know. I could vote for Thane, but I'm feeling pretty equal about him and Hallia, and I'm not unhappy that we've got some competing trains here. I'd like to see where the votes fall today, that'll be helpful going further into the game.

Do you have any concerns about the fact there is no viable counter wagon to Thane right now? Or do you think Hally is that wagon?

Last VC, hally and Thane each had 3 votes, I think. And enough people have commented on finding Hallia at least sketchy, if not scummy, so yeah, I think she's a viable wagon.

 

 

You never said anything else about this afterwards, and I guess I'm just wondering why you asked me this to begin with? Hallia and Thane were tied for votes at that point. Is there some reason you thought she wasn't a viable CW?
 

[Alanna]

(Sorry for all the separate posts, I'm having trouble with the multiquote button)

 

I think Yates already knows Thane is gonna flip scum. And this means Clov might be telling the truth too. His premature comments come across as if he's trying to be one step ahead in the events of Thane getting lynched. If this is really what he would conclude upon Thane's flip... then why not wait for the day to be concluded... see who actually gets lynched... SEE the flip... and then make an educated conclusions. The fact that he's mentioning it at this point is a reference point he'll come back to later if and when Thane gets lynched.

 

Oh well. At least this means Thane prolly is scum. So there is that.

 

Nyn, this post stood out to me when I reread because I'm just not sure what you meant here about Yates knowing Thane would flip scum - you were supposing they were both scum, then? And that Yates was hard bussing Thane? Why do you think he would have done that, at that time?
 

[Tommyrod]

Yates, about this:

 

 

 

 

I don't know. I could vote for Thane, but I'm feeling pretty equal about him and Hallia, and I'm not unhappy that we've got some competing trains here. I'd like to see where the votes fall today, that'll be helpful going further into the game.

Do you have any concerns about the fact there is no viable counter wagon to Thane right now? Or do you think Hally is that wagon?

Last VC, hally and Thane each had 3 votes, I think. And enough people have commented on finding Hallia at least sketchy, if not scummy, so yeah, I think she's a viable wagon.

You never said anything else about this afterwards, and I guess I'm just wondering why you asked me this to begin with? Hallia and Thane were tied for votes at that point. Is there some reason you thought she wasn't a viable CW?

This post explicitly proves that he agrees with what I was saying earlier!! JFC.

[Alanna]

Oh, one last thing:

 

you having fun, guy? 
 
im sorry. ignore the spam. i am not told who is doing it. it is frustrating for me too. 
 
but what i said is true. Despothera killed wombat. At least I can help with this.

 

This posts sounds hella forced.

[Nynaeve]

I'm saying your logic is wrong because your logic is wrong. My read on Hally at the time is irrelevant to the driving tenet of your argument. You are saying that if I were scum with Hally I was protecting her. I just illustrated that if I were scum with Hally, precisely what you pointed out as evidence for me PROTECTING her is actually the opposite. Preventing a CFD at EOD would not be protecting a scum partner. Preventing a CFD at EOD would be putting my scum partner in a bigger bind. Your argument would have been better if you tried saying I was protecting *SP* as my scum partner. But, obviously, that is clearly not the case.

 

 

I agree, actually.

 

Tom, I think what he's saying is.... if he was Hallia's scummate and trying to get heat off of her... why object to a second townie train to form? 

[Sili Quirrels]

[v]tommyrod[/v]

[Tommyrod]

For an obvious reason: 3-2-3 wagons is much more likely to result in a CFD onto any of the wagons than 6-2 wagons.

[Nynaeve]

 

The suspicion for pushing the Hallia counter wagon goes to Nyn, which means she was protecting Hallia?  Am I reading that correctly?

No. He's talking about when Nyn left the Hally wagon to vote Thane after her ISO posts.

 

 

I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. I unvoted Clov after his claim. Then I ISOed both Halli and Thane and voted Thane. I did vote at Halli at some point throughout the game...don't remember when. 

[Nynaeve]

Jesus Nyn. That's hella work. Props. I'll read it when I get home.

 

Thanks tom.

 

If I sound cranky a bit it's mostly to do with me being in pain. But I doubt it seems out of place for me lol

[Nynaeve]

Looking forward to see what Des has to say....  don't really believe Silli's vote controlling shtick since he's been posting too fast for him to actually be told to do it, imo.

 

 

Also I've called Tom tomcat a couple of times cause he always shares pics of his cat. Why?

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Sili (3): Yates, Clov, Hally

Des (1): Csarmi

Tommy (1): Sili

Pral (1): Nyn

 

Not Voting (7): AJ, Pral, Leelou, Verb, Des, Alanna, Tommy

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

 

Deadline is Tuesday Oct 21st at 8am MST/PDT

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141021T08&p0=3862&fg1=a39de0&csz=1

[Nynaeve]

Nyn, this post stood out to me when I reread because I'm just not sure what you meant here about Yates knowing Thane would flip scum - you were supposing they were both scum, then? And that Yates was hard bussing Thane? Why do you think he would have done that, at that time?

 

I like things to be clear. We lynch. We get a flip. We try to connect the dots. The way Yates was phrasing himself and the timing of it made me feel like he was trying to set up points of reference he was going to come back to if Thane ended up getting lynched. I'm not as good as some people in making connections... ie trying to see if it makes since for person A and B to be scum buddies. So I didn't really think about it from the POV of view if of would it make sense for Yates to do do this if he was Thane's scumbuddy. I just felt that it was really slimy of him to throw in preemptive dirt at Tommy. Felt like a way for scum to cut their loses.... as in if they were gonna lose Thane... they might as well take Tommy down with him. I just got that vibe... I was obviously wrong. Seems to be a running theme this game.

[Nynaeve]

since - sense

 

POV followed with of view...

 

 

 

Awesome Nyn....

[Tommyrod]

Des being scum would be bittersweet for me because I can't mock him for the Thane wagon.

[Tommyrod]

I feel your eyes on this thread, AJ.

 

Whatcha doin?

[Andrej]

The presence of the GOAT is unmistakable imo

 

I just got home after carving some pumpkins with my kid.

 

Reading through now

[Andrej]

Wombat, Captain Malcolm Reynolds - Town Cop, has been killed.

 

 

RIP Marsupial 

 

SickPuppets, Nandi - Vanilla Town, has been killed.

 

 

Legit, ban this guy.

[Yates]

You never said anything else about this afterwards, and I guess I'm just wondering why you asked me this to begin with? Hallia and Thane were tied for votes at that point. Is there some reason you thought she wasn't a viable CW?

No. I just wanted to see where your head was at. I've never played with you before so that was my way of engaging you in the discussion when I saw you post.