Freemasons vs. Illuminati - Day One

[Andrej]

0% chance I'm Mafia this game.

[Andrej]

Key/Addi imo

 

Those last two votes should pretty much seal the deal for anyone looking.

[Darthe]

Above the Freemasons had spent the day drilling low bore holes through wide spaces in the placed stone flooring of the streets.  As a result there were now fiber tubes running in dim light and a few air patches that allowed for more circulation.  It had been sweltering inside the cave, stifling to the point of becoming near unbearable.  Tempers hadn't fared much better since the group had found out that there were indeed traitors in their midst.  

 

When the sun began its slow descent the light emenating from the fiber optic lines quickly began to fade.  Panic ensued.  In the coming dark they knew death would come on swift wings.  

 

The group chose to eliminate a risk.

 

 

Hallia - Bard, Vanilla Town has been lynched.

[Darthe]

Night actions!

 

12 hours.

[Andrej]

Maybe TG/Clov

 

Unless Dice is pulling the wool over our eyes.

 

I'll dig through tomorrow morning to see what I can find.

 

Right now those last two votes are what stand out the most. I think it was apparent towards EOD Hallia would flip town. There was really no counter wagon and little resistance to her lynch. I severely doubt it's all town voting her in this situation.

[Andrej]

Let me correct myself.

 

It's abundantly clear her wagon wasn't all town considering BFG didn't vote and Yates is the only other confirmed townie in the game besides GF and he was voting Key.

[BFG]

Day 1 trains

BFG, on 28 Sept 2014 - 12:08 AM, said:

TG: Lenlo, AJ

Lenlo: TG, AJ, TG, TG, Despo, BFG, GF

GF: Yates

Addi: Clov, Dice

Key: Yates, Despo, GF

Despo: Key, Clov

Clov: Addi

Dice: Despo

BFG: TG

GF: Hallia, Lenlo, Dice

 

 

 

 

Andrej, on 25 Sept 2014 - 06:23 AM, said:

At least his partner can claim today and stay off the lynch table.

 

Hmmm.

 

[v]Dice[/v]

 

Might wanna start explaining yourself.

 

 

dicetosser1, on 25 Sept 2014 - 09:49 AM, said:

:Vote Yates

 

 

he definitely should have known what i was talking about as A) he was there when i did it and it caused talk and B) he even bought it up in a later game, asking why i hadn't done it that time as well.

 

 

Hallia, on 25 Sept 2014 - 3:04 PM, said:

I'm not either, methinks too many VT claims!

 

[v] Dice [/v]

 

 

Clovdyx, on 25 Sept 2014 - 4:08 PM, said:

I think I know who Despot's mason partner was. I'm not going to say who, for obvious reasons. Right now, this is our list of claimed nonmasons:-Andrej-Yates-Dice-Key-HalliaI'm not a mason, which fills up the vanilla, seer, and mafia goon list. [v]Addi[/v]. I guess my initial read on her was wrong.

 

 

Hallia, on 25 Sept 2014 - 5:18 PM, said:

Hmm. That makes sense to me.

 

[unvote]

[v] Addi [/v]

 

 

Andrej, on 25 Sept 2014 - 5:36 PM, said:

Hmm I wanna chew on that a bit although I'm not at all against pressuring/lynching her. She had her D1 pass and now it's time to get involved cause I feel this Town is out for blood

 

I get your theory but that also assumes that everyone who has claimed before is at least telling the truth about not being a Mason.

 

 

Andrej, on 25 Sept 2014 - 5:40 PM, said:

In other words, both scum could've already claimed VT and she is left as an outlier simply because she hasn't been around to post.

 

 

dicetosser1, on 25 Sept 2014 - 8:27 PM, said:

oohhh im sorry i got the game wrong. Doesnt mean that you still shouldnt have known what i was talking about considering you called me out for it later in another game.

 

and it wasnt meant to clear me AJ   i gotta play to be cleared. it was meant to put my claim out there, thus showing consistency and me keeping my word.

 

 

i didnt mind yates reply but i DID NOT like Hallys moves.

 

vote me with no reason, then jump on addict with no reason too as soon as clov points it out? i dont think so.  Scum team is Hally and clov i think

 

yates you might wanna consider that last time i did the early claim i didnt steer you wrong. that might be worth some good will despite ure nerves about me doing it in the future that you expressed at the time.

 

 

:vote hally

 

 

Andrej, on 25 Sept 2014 - 9:15 PM, said:

Although I disagree with the tactic I think Dice is probably clear for it.

 

[v]Clov[/v]

 

Figure I'd move to my next most likely target.

 

Yates - where are you at currently? I feel like you're hanging back a bit.

 

 

Andrej, on 26 Sept 2014 - 02:31 AM, said:

 

 

keyholder21, on 25 Sept 2014 - 10:25 PM, said:

Hally – I don’t see her trying to break up the fight between des and I if she is scum. I also don’t see her continuing to push GF so hard at EOD as scum.

 

Actually this would fit as Hallia being hyper aware of her town reads on both you and Despot, and so in order to avoid voting one of you two (and not Len) she started the wagon on GF which was quickly joined by Len to tie up the wagons at 2 a piece.

 

Hrmmm...

 

Hallia, I see you posting. Why don't you interact with Dice a bit? He's calling you out.

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

So am I.

 

 

 

Andrej, on 26 Sept 2014 - 05:29 AM, said:

[v]Yates[/v]

Clovdyx, on 26 Sept 2014 - 05:32 AM, said:

[unvote]

[v]Dice[/v]

 

Knowing that somebody lied about being mason, I have to assume that Addi is one of the town masons.  That puts her in the lockclear club with BFG and GF.  I still don't see how the play of TG or Andrej makes sense if either one of is mafia.  If I end up losing this because I got deepwolfed by a derpmove, I really don't care - congrats to whichever of them it is.  I'm obviously not going to vote for myself, which leaves my pool at

 

-Key

-Yates

-Hallia

-Dice

 

I'll be honest.  I'm tinfoiling on Yates pretty hard right now.  After the conviction he showed last game to proving AJ's read on TG wrong, along with his huge ISOs, I didn't have too much trouble clearing him as town later on (not so much early).  I don't feel he's really brought the same effort this game.  That being said, I can't see what scumteam he fits in.

 

 

 

 

 

Yates., on 24 Sept 2014 - 03:40 AM, said:

 

 

Andrej, on 24 Sept 2014 - 03:36 AM, said:

I wouldn't necessarily mind having two wagons that are tied and force a rand between them just to see what happens.

Hally vs Lenlo, imo.

 

 

It would be stupid of him to propose that if the scumrolled was him, Len, and Hallia.  He looks really good once the flips come, but he's backing himself into a corner once the endgame claimphase comes.  That leaves Key and Dice.

 

 

 

Yates., on 24 Sept 2014 - 2:05 PM, said:

 

 

Andrej, on 24 Sept 2014 - 1:59 PM, said:

 

 

Darthe, on 24 Sept 2014 - 03:46 AM, said:

Official Vote Count 3?

 

 

Len (2/7): AJ, TG

Key (3/7): Yates, Despot, GF

Des (2/7): Key, Clov

GF (3/7): Hally, Lenlo, Dice

 

 

Not Voting (1/12):

BFG

 

13 hours til night.

This should be current.

 

I'm okay with the lead wagons. I prefer Key over GF here though.

 

Key or Clov should unvote and vote Len imo. XD

 

 

This post doesn't make sense if the team was him/Key/Len.  As it is, there would have been a 50% chance his team takes a hit on a randolynch.  Me or Key moving to Len would put the odds up to 66% of one of his teammates dying, AND a Lenlo lynch wouldn't have helped Key either - she'd be losing a teammate, too.  

 

The only person that the play really suggests as a reasonable teammate would be Dice, but Yates has taken multiple stabs at him.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yates., on 24 Sept 2014 - 5:48 PM, said:

 

 

TGlems, on 24 Sept 2014 - 5:45 PM, said:

Good start for D2.

What are the chances one of Hally/Dice is also scum with Lenlo? Lenlo being on the GF wagon makes analyzing the GF wagon a little more wifomy.

 

 

Yates., on 25 Sept 2014 - 05:33 AM, said:

There's certainly scum in Key/Dice.

 

Hally and GF are impossible to read. GF is almost certainly Town. If not, he's the other Illuminati. Which actually, now that I think about it, gives Key a little more Town credit unless she's also Illuminati.

 

Kid gloves may need to come off with Addi on N2 or D3.

 

 

Yates., on 24 Sept 2014 - 9:01 PM, said:

 

 

Clovdyx, on 24 Sept 2014 - 7:21 PM, said:

THIS ENTIRE POST

Two thumbs up.

 

Would read again.

 

Clovdyx, on 24 Sept 2014 - 7:55 PM, said:

Scum lean- Dice, Key

Andrej, on 24 Sept 2014 - 8:44 PM, said:

Only after GF voted Key to put her in the lead did Dice move to GF to also put him at 3. THIS does look bad however.

So I'm in a pickle. I feel like Lenlo scum spewed either Dice or Key. Possibly both. I seem to recall Lenlo including scum team mates in his scum "reads" in the past as scum. Can anyone fact check me on this assertion?

 

 

I also don't understand the distancing they would have been attempting with Dice's "threat" (for lack of a better word) to claim, which ultimately resulted in Dice lynching Yates for not understanding?  It seems like they would have been better served trying to get Dice cleared through it if they were teammates and going that route.

 

Basically, he doesn't make sense to be scum so I feel pretty good putting him to the side.  Unless somebody wants to bring up another candidate, I think it comes down to Key/Hallia/Dice for today.

 

 

[BFG]

Doors are about to close, so can't finish.

 

AJ can you explain reasoning behind Addi vote?

[BFG]

Frankfurt airport has to be one of the most depressing airports I've ever been in,

 

plus points are there's free WiFi and the coffee is strong (having had a 20 minute walk around the airport to find it)

[BFG]

 

 

[v] hally[/v] 

 

Clov has cased Hally pretty well already, so I'm not going to repeat ad nauseum, but cliff notes are that Hally has had 0 original thoughts, looks like she is townreading everyone which doesn't speak well of her mindset (Clov mentioned her being apologetic to GF as town while voting him), the D1 VCA.  And then the sudden push back on AJ (post #498 is lynchworthy alone with buzzwords and no thought to back it up at all). 

 

Dice is second on my list given the so called reasoning on Hally and Clov scumteam is gross, especially given D1 events.  It shows a severe lack of game reading.

 

AJ, BFG, Clov #lockclear club. 

 

My only tinfoil is Yates as he feigned some ignorance regarding dice, which I've seen Yates do before as scum.  If there is going to be a deep wolf this game I'd guess him.

 

 

[v]Addi[/v]

 

 

I'm back to wanting to lynch Key. I'm fairly certain that one of Key/Dice is scum based SOLELY on the fact that Lenlo can't help himself when it comes to faking a Town read on a scum buddy.

 

 

[v]Key[/v]

 

I still have a special place in my heart for you. You aren't scummy, you're just rolled that way. :(

 

 

I'm not scum, Yates.  But I think you are, and overplayed your hand here trying to get me lynched. 

 

[v]Yates[/v]

 

 

[unvote]

 

 

[v]Yates[/v]

 

If it's not you then I think I want to see you swing.

 

You basically accomplished nothing today except to twiddle your thumbs and your results only proved that some Townie is lying about being a Mason - which is dumb cause they could've been cleared long ago and now the whole Day has wasted with possible suspicion on a wrongful person.

 

Like whoever you are seriously expected scum to slip up like that??

 

 

So somewhere within Key/Hallia/Addi imo

 

Gotta restart my brain here and get the juices flowing again

 

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

 

[unvote][v]Hallia[/v]

 

 

I don't think Dice would get hostile towards me if his clearing post to Yates was actually a lie, so I'm fine putting him on the backburner.  I won't lump him in with the locks due to people burning me on jerk moves, but I can slot him as the least likely of the possibles.  We can safely mislynch two, and I don't see scum outside of Addi/Dice/Key/Hallia.

 

 

I'm ok with [v]Hallia[/v]

 

 

[v]Key[/v]

 

Yeah, I'll keep her at L-2 to prevent ninja hammer just in case.

 

 

I obviously have no handle on this game.

 

Hallia's EOD1 play looks town, to me. I feel like if GF had been lynched, she had to know that she would be looked askance at since she was pushing him so hard.

 

BUT it's also difficult to ignore that Len was a PR for scum and someone that team would obviously want to save. GF would make a good target because he's not around often and is generally seen as confusing when he is. She's also been snippy toward AJ later in the game for what seems like no reason and I don't remember seeing aggro Hallia before except for the HP game where she was scum and tried to get me lynched. Also don't see why her WiM would have been damaged due to the game restarting when it restarted with a scum lynch. I think her throwing Addi under the bus could be a distancing tactic. 

 

Slight tinfoil on TG. I could see him and Len cooking up them going at each other again in the beginning. Reading his ISO, he asks a lot of questions of others, poking and prodding at some, but not going after anyone hardcore. His play regarding why he thinks Addi looks town would fit them on a team together. He also left Clov off his WTL list. Definitely admittedly meh on that point, but in a game this small where he just referred to that player a post or two above, it makes me itchy.  I don't think he fits on a team with Hallia though.  

 

 

Addi. I hate going after new players in general, but her catchup seemed very knowledgable for someone that darthe called "green as grass" and a new new player. I understand she knows darthe, but I would think too much helping from him would break his game. She also seemed offended both in the beginning with dice, and against Yates for them going at her, which I normally don't get from a new player if they are town.  It took rereading for me to see it. Since she's not a mason, it looks suspicious and she fits on a team with either Hally or TG, though for different reasons.  

 

 

My list is Hallia/TG/Addi.  

 

 

[unvote]

 

I don't see BFG or Addi ninja hammering, so    

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

 

Lol, Key goes the whole time saying how she thinks I'm town, then votes me.

 

Remember that when I die.

 

 

Unvote

 

Vote Key

 

 

Key CFD imo

 

 

[V]Hallia

 

[BFG]

Dice: AJ, Hallia]

Yates: Dice

Addi: Clov, Hallia, AJ

Hallia: Dice, AJ, TG, AJ, Clov, GF, Key, Addi

Clov: AJ

Yates: AJ

Dice: Clov

Key: Yates(unvote), AJ, Hallia

Yates: Key, AJ

[BFG]

Ugh, vote wise this is frustrating. It seems that few of the early votes are because people actually find each other scummy.

 

I'm not going to analyse each vote as I don't have time before next flight boards.

 

AJs vote on Addis really stands out, because earlier on he'd berated Clov and Addis for voting Addis because she hadn't been online to claim VT yet. TBH I'd like it if everyone explained their reasoning for those votes, cos I don't understand any of them, possibly because I'm tired (stupid red eyes)

 

Clov - why did you vote Addis, what made you think that the mafia mason would claim mason when they don't have a partner to back it up (and even if they did, I've gone onto why that's a bad idea)?

 

AJ - why did you go from saying Addis was a bad vote as she hadn't been around, to voting her while she still hadn't been around to claim?

 

TGs vote on Hallia is interesting - '0 original thoughts' Hallia was the first to suspect/vote GF (regardless of being right or wrong, it was her idea) and the first to suspect TG/AJ

 

AJ votes Addis based off Yates gambit, but regardless of whether Yates was seer or mason he'd have no way of knowing who Addis's partner was if she was a mason - Addi was on my short list of possible partners so it wasn't out of the question.

 

I dunno, AJ and TG stand out today since I can't follow their logic. Addi vote does stand out given the lack of reasoning/explanation and I'm not sure she's actually mentioned Hallia at all prior to this.

[BFG]

Addi/TG/AJ - that's my lynch pool.

Don't necessarily disagree, but I feel like you're spouting names to get reactions - I'm happy you managed to get Addis to post, but since you do seem likely NK fodder, I'd appreciate if you could give some reads and a little reasoning.

 

 

 

For myself I'm most suspicious of AJ/Clov at the moment. AJ I feel is moving his vote around, but isn't really pushing for anyone to be lynched - regarding being on the Lenlo lynch, I'm pretty sure my vote came as a surprise to mafia, so they probably weren't thinking he'd be lynched. I also can't follow a lot of his logic this game, now some of that's me, it still makes me nervous. Clov is reminding me more of he Tron game then Masons V1, I don't think I can explain this well enough yet.

 

I don't have particularly strong town reads on anyone yet, except GF and you and pretty sure GF disagrees with my reads so far :(

[Clovdyx]

Ugh, vote wise this is frustrating. It seems that few of the early votes are because people actually find each other scummy.

 

I'm not going to analyse each vote as I don't have time before next flight boards.

 

AJs vote on Addis really stands out, because earlier on he'd berated Clov and Addis for voting Addis because she hadn't been online to claim VT yet. TBH I'd like it if everyone explained their reasoning for those votes, cos I don't understand any of them, possibly because I'm tired (stupid red eyes)

 

Clov - why did you vote Addis, what made you think that the mafia mason would claim mason when they don't have a partner to back it up (and even if they did, I've gone onto why that's a bad idea)?

 

AJ - why did you go from saying Addis was a bad vote as she hadn't been around, to voting her while she still hadn't been around to claim?

 

TGs vote on Hallia is interesting - '0 original thoughts' Hallia was the first to suspect/vote GF (regardless of being right or wrong, it was her idea) and the first to suspect TG/AJ

 

AJ votes Addis based off Yates gambit, but regardless of whether Yates was seer or mason he'd have no way of knowing who Addis's partner was if she was a mason - Addi was on my short list of possible partners so it wasn't out of the question.

 

I dunno, AJ and TG stand out today since I can't follow their logic. Addi vote does stand out given the lack of reasoning/explanation and I'm not sure she's actually mentioned Hallia at all prior to this.

 

At the time, there were four unclaimed players and there were four mason spots open (you/BFG, Des' partner, and Len's partner).  We hadn't been discussing claiming partners, so whoever Len's partner is claiming mason would not have been incredibly damning.  Given the four that were left (you, GF, TG, and Addi), she made by far the most sense to be scum.  

 

Obviously I had considered the possibility of the illuminati lying, but it came with a risk - if they were investigated N1 and found to be a mason but claimed VT, they'd be screwed, so I was fine working under the assumption everyone was telling the truth until we had evidence that it wasn't the case.

[Clovdyx]

TGs vote on Hallia is interesting - '0 original thoughts' Hallia was the first to suspect/vote GF (regardless of being right or wrong, it was her idea) and the first to suspect TG/AJ

 

Bold is untrue.  She was the first to bring up that he was different from the last game, but Yates went at GF right out of the gate for essentially using his gameplay last round as an excuse to lurk (post #57).  Him and TG had a brief discussion about it.  

 

I didn't see anything that contradicts the last part though.  I have an idea of what he means, but let's see what he says. :)

[Andrej]

AJs vote on Addis really stands out, because earlier on he'd berated Clov and Addis for voting Addis because she hadn't been online to claim VT yet. TBH I'd like it if everyone explained their reasoning for those votes, cos I don't understand any of them, possibly because I'm tired (stupid red eyes)

 

AJ - why did you go from saying Addis was a bad vote as she hadn't been around, to voting her while she still hadn't been around to claim?

 

AJ votes Addis based off Yates gambit, but regardless of whether Yates was seer or mason he'd have no way of knowing who Addis's partner was if she was a mason - Addi was on my short list of possible partners so it wasn't out of the question.

 

I don't know if berated is really the proper word to use in that regard. It wasn't the vote itself that I was against it was the process he used to get there - which I said as much earlier. I understand how he ruled it down to her, but as I pointed out before, it required one to believe everyone who had claimed previously was telling the truth and Addi hadn't had an opportunity yet so mostly she was left as the last one because she hadn't been around.

 

I never said Addi was a bad vote - I disagreed with the process in which she was voted, at least in Clov's case. I followed Yates's gambit onto her because at the time I was leaning towards him being the Seer and his investigation results true. Prior to GF revealing you as his partner, I had you with Addi and GF with Despot simply because you were the only players unclaimed. When Yates 'revealed' he had checked her as a Mason, with you and GF now linked together, it became apparent to me she was either Despot's Mason or the remaining Illuminati and considering some of the commentary Despot had made towards her earlier in the game I doubted they were together. Which I have also stated before this.

[keyholder21]

Sorry BFG.  The baby has an ear infection right now and had a bad night last night.  Husband was out, so I wasn't able to get back here to answer your question.

 

 

I voted Des due to his QT question of Addi.  I thought it looked off since we had just talked in the other game that there were also mason QTs.  After I finished catching up, that still stuck out to me so I voted him.  The smiley was like a "here we go" because I figured des would have something to say about the vote.  

[BFG]

Sorry AJ, berated isn't the right word, put it down to an early start on not much sleep.

 

Too tired to think at the moment, hopefully catch you tomorrow

[Yates]

Anything you guys need from me before I'm killed?

[Tyler Glembo]

So...is anyone FB friends with Darthe?  Is he okay?

[Yates]

Um, he's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Darthe eat himself sick at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

[Tyler Glembo]

I don't remember him being sick nine times.

[Cory Caboose]

If he isn't back in like three days send me all your PMs and I'll take over

[Tyler Glembo]

Honestly I just hope he is okay. 

[Cory Caboose]

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