[Advanced] Woodstock 1969 Mafia - Town wins

[Al'Lan Mandragoran]

Hi Nyn

[Hallia]

Straight up I didn't see him doing anything I thought was over the line. If you do feel that way stop whatever you're doing and say something. Like I have in the past "hey, that's a little much. I personally feel like you're attacking me as a person. Etc". If someone continued then that's completely unacceptable. Anything else is gameplay

[Hallia]

Lan and Nyn, sittin in a tree

[Tommyrod]

Des you equate game posturing with real life affronts and I don't understand.

I do not know you. I do not know the man that you are in real life. I have some semblance of an idea based on what I've picked up about you on the forum but we have not met and never will meet. How do you allow the words of someone you do not truly know to profoundly affect your well-being? I do not understand. Not only am I not attacking you the person, but rather criticizing you the player, even if I was attacking you as a person why would it matter? Who the hell am I? I am nobody. It is senseless to become rustled at nobody.

You have a strong desire to be accepted by your peers but I am not truly your peer anyway. I'm just some guy you play games with.

What happens in games stays in games. The only thing that bothers me about you the person is you conflate criticism of play with criticism of person and your fuse is extremely short. I still do not understand what you got so mad at me for in this game. I almost never understand why you get mad. Maybe you have personal emotional exhaustion that overflows into this game. But in the same way you mentioned that it is awkward when Salami mentions his physical pain, it is awkward when your emotional pain spills over into mafia games. It happens very often lately. You need to relax because I don't think anyone is even upset with you except for how frequently you get upset. So you've created a self-fulfilling prophecy of people not liking you because you think people don't like you and eventually they agree. At least I could see that happening if you continue.

[hazelkrs1]

Straight up I didn't see him doing anything I thought was over the line. If you do feel that way stop whatever you're doing and say something. Like I have in the past "hey, that's a little much. I personally feel like you're attacking me as a person. Etc". If someone continued then that's completely unacceptable. Anything else is gameplay

 

I straight up let him know it was upsetting me and that if he said "shook" one more time I was putting him on ignore. He replied instantly and kept provoking me with the "shook" stuff. So I put him on iggy.

 

So basically I did exactly what you said I should do. Or do you mean I should have used those words specifically?

[Nynaeve]

 So you've created a self-fulfilling prophecy of people not liking you because you think people don't like you and eventually they agree. At least I could see that happening if you continue.

 

Yep

[Hallia]

I will go back and reread as soon as I get off work and get back with you. If you did then I truly am sorry.

[csarmi]

Don't listen to them Despo.

 

 

... Cause I will always you.

[hazelkrs1]

Des you equate game posturing with real life affronts and I don't understand.

 

I do not know you. I do not know the man that you are in real life. I have some semblance of an idea based on what I've picked up about you on the forum but we have not met and never will meet. How do you allow the words of someone you do not truly know to profoundly affect your well-being? I do not understand. Not only am I not attacking you the person, but rather criticizing you the player, even if I was attacking you as a person why would it matter? Who the hell am I? I am nobody. It is senseless to become rustled at nobody.

 

You have a strong desire to be accepted by your peers but I am not truly your peer anyway. I'm just some guy you play games with.

 

What happens in games stays in games. The only thing that bothers me about you the person is you conflate criticism of play with criticism of person and your fuse is extremely short. I still do not understand what you got so mad at me for in this game. I almost never understand why you get mad. Maybe you have personal emotional exhaustion that overflows into this game. But in the same way you mentioned that it is awkward when Salami mentions his physical pain, it is awkward when your emotional pain spills over into mafia games. It happens very often lately. You need to relax because I don't think anyone is even upset with you except for how frequently you get upset. So you've created a self-fulfilling prophecy of people not liking you because you think people don't like you and eventually they agree. At least I could see that happening if you continue.

 

I wouldn't care so much if you were criticizing the person. The two times you have pissed me off the most was when you were criticizing my play in general.

 

You're right, you don't know me, and you don't know what kind of person I am. So your or anyone else's judgements on that matter would have essentially no effect on me.

 

Criticism's about my play tho can irk me. Mostly because I receive a lot of it, when I often feel it's undeserved. And I take pride in trying to play an effective mafia game, I put a lot of effort into it so I'd hope I wasn't a complete disaster. I don't mind criticisms here and there that can help me work on the things I need work on, I'm talking about people just saying I suck in general, which I see at times even tho I've seen my instincts be right on time and time again

[csarmi]

Despo legit sings great.

[Tyler Glembo]

 but we have not met and never will meet.

 

Tommy, I want you to know that you and I are going to meet in real life.  Or at least we will when you finally turn around and look out the window.

 

[hazelkrs1]

 

 So you've created a self-fulfilling prophecy of people not liking you because you think people don't like you and eventually they agree. At least I could see that happening if you continue.

 

Yep

 

 

Nyn you're basically just trying to +1 when anyone else says something against me right now, you get that that's pretty low and immature, right?

 

Just wanna make sure you're aware THIS is why I know you don't like me

 

/shrug

[csarmi]

Despo. Stop. Too much.

 

Try to let go and not have the last word.

 

Relax. We understand.

 

the world is your oyster now

You can do what you want to do

The world is your oyster now

So go out

And get high

And get whatever you want to

[Nynaeve]

 

 

 So you've created a self-fulfilling prophecy of people not liking you because you think people don't like you and eventually they agree. At least I could see that happening if you continue.

 

Yep

 

 

Nyn you're basically just trying to +1 when anyone else says something against me right now, you get that that's pretty low and immature, right?

 

Just wanna make sure you're aware THIS is why I know you don't like me

 

/shrug

 

 

 

Really?  I thought you decided I didn't like you months ago. Did you foresee this? Because that would be pretty impressive.

[hazelkrs1]

Despo. Stop. Too much.

 

Try to let go and not have the last word.

 

Relax. We understand.

 

the world is your oyster now

You can do what you want to do

The world is your oyster now

So go out

And get high

And get whatever you want to

 

 

I feel I legit have acquiesced and acknowledged other people's points here...

 

W/e I'll see myself out

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

 

 So you've created a self-fulfilling prophecy of people not liking you because you think people don't like you and eventually they agree. At least I could see that happening if you continue.

 

Yep

 

 

Nyn you're basically just trying to +1 when anyone else says something against me right now, you get that that's pretty low and immature, right?

 

Just wanna make sure you're aware THIS is why I know you don't like me

 

/shrug

 

 

 

Really?  I thought you decided I didn't like you months ago. Did you foresee this? Because that would be pretty impressive.

 

 

You've done this before. And it wasn't months ago.

 

And yes, I foresaw it. My fortune cookie a week or so was just a thumbs down sign. I knew what it meant.

[csarmi]

à tous le monde

á tous mes amis

je vous aime

je dois partir

 

These are the last words

You gotta speak

They'll set you free

[Nynaeve]

You've done this before. And it wasn't months ago.

 

And yes, I foresaw it. My fortune cookie a week or so was just a thumbs down sign. I knew what it meant.

 

 

I'm +1 posts because I agree with them. I don't care what you make of it because any and all criticism washes over you and you will always find excuses to ignore people's claims.

[hazelkrs1]

 

You've done this before. And it wasn't months ago.

 

And yes, I foresaw it. My fortune cookie a week or so was just a thumbs down sign. I knew what it meant.

 

 

I'm +1 posts because I agree with them. I don't care what you make of it because any and all criticism washes over you and you will always find excuses to ignore people's claims.

 

 

...

 

I think this whole episode has made clear that criticism DOESN'T just wash over me lol

 

 

Anyways. It was still a good game regardless. Sorry if I made it less fun for others.

[Cory Caboose]

I feel okay with kicking people while they're down, personally. Means my foot has less distance to travel. 

 

Nynniest post of all time

 

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Des I speak for at least myself when I say I like you very much but if you could just tone down the balls-in-peoples-mouth stuff a little I think everyone would appreciate you more

 

You are a smart player who can focus and do well but at this point your "posture-swagging" stuff actually hinders your credibility instead of adding to it

 

You keep saying you are humble IRL, I would advise you let that humility into your gameplay a little more and see us all as equals because nobody likes being looked down on

 

If you could just say "Okay Cory I understand" instead of "whatever I thought we were friends  " and not respond passive-aggressively it would be one more notch towards me loving you forever

 

This comes from a place of love, sincerely it does

 

I understand frustrating but when you're berating Hallia - probably the nicest person who ever lived - at some point you need to look @ yourself

[Nynaeve]

The sum of this story, basically, is that you got mad that a girl wouldn't defend you against the big bad Tom. And he wasn't even a wolf this game. lol

[csarmi]

Tommyrod 620

Despothera 493

csarmi 458

Andrej 238

Thane Vakarian 223

TGlems 157

Krakalakachkn 154

Arsis 117

nervositee 108

Kates 107

Hallia 87

dicetosser1 64

Pralaya 54

Al'Lan Mandragoran 49

Drunk Tank 34

corycurren 32

Yates. 32

keyholder21 27

BFG 22

Lenlo 17

Nynaeve 16

Darthe 8

Verbal32 1

 

35 behind. How could this happen?! How?!

[Tommyrod]

I wouldn't care so much if you were criticizing the person. The two times you have pissed me off the most was when you were criticizing my play in general.

 

You're right, you don't know me, and you don't know what kind of person I am. So your or anyone else's judgements on that matter would have essentially no effect on me.

 

Criticism's about my play tho can irk me. Mostly because I receive a lot of it, when I often feel it's undeserved. And I take pride in trying to play an effective mafia game, I put a lot of effort into it so I'd hope I wasn't a complete disaster. I don't mind criticisms here and there that can help me work on the things I need work on, I'm talking about people just saying I suck in general, which I see at times even tho I've seen my instincts be right on time and time again

I guess my question then is: why does it hurt your feelings when someone says you're bad at a mafia game?

 

I had a game about six months ago where I shot SIX townies as a vig and ultimately lost the game for the town. This was a large game, it started with something like 50 players, so the amount of hate that rained down on me in post-game was almost startling even for me. I earned a couple nicknames like "backup death star" [it was a star wars themed game] that still follow me around. But it never made me actually upset. I shrugged it off and ended up making a few friends after that because people thought I was cool for taking it in stride despite hundreds of skype messages (and a $140 bet that I would shoot a sixth villager) being made at my expense. It was annoying to think people wouldn't respect me or want to play with me anymore, and it took a few months for people to stop bringing it up in subsequent games, but one thing it did do is make me want to get better at being a townie. And I think I've gotten to the point where I feel pretty good about my town game, and it's partly because of huge mistakes like that game and in other games. I think what people want to see is you saying "yes, I botched that, I'll learn from it" instead of "stop picking on me!" And I'm not even speaking to a specific example, but in general.

 

Despite what I said in the previous post, I consider you an online friend of mine, but it's frustrating to me that I don't feel comfortable telling you exactly what I think because I worry you'll take it the wrong way. I think that if we have in-game beef it stays in-game beef but you don't draw a line there, you will harbor resentment for a person after the game is over. That is what I have a problem with.

[Krakalakachkn]

Verb really needs to step up his game.

[hazelkrs1]

 

I feel okay with kicking people while they're down, personally. Means my foot has less distance to travel. 

 

Nynniest post of all time

 

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Des I speak for at least myself when I say I like you very much but if you could just tone down the balls-in-peoples-mouth stuff a little I think everyone would appreciate you more

 

You are a smart player who can focus and do well but at this point your "posture-swagging" stuff actually hinders your credibility instead of adding to it

 

You keep saying you are humble IRL, I would advise you let that humility into your gameplay a little more and see us all as equals because nobody likes being looked down on

 

If you could just say "Okay Cory I understand" instead of "whatever I thought we were friends  " and not respond passive-aggressively it would be one more notch towards me loving you forever

 

This comes from a place of love, sincerely it does

 

I understand frustrating but when you're berating Hallia - probably the nicest person who ever lived - at some point you need to look @ yourself

 

 

Okay Cory I understand

 

 

Honestly tho, this post didn't bother me at all. And fwiw, I play the false bravado stuff a lot on this site BECAUSE I'm nothing like that irl. It amuses me to do that, it's the little online persona I've made. Irl I self-deprecate as much as I do here, and basically never toot my own horn.

 

I'll take that into consideration tho, or at least mebbe tone down the bravado.

 

And for the record I wasn't trying to berate Hallia, it legit made me feel crappy that she supported Tommy when I got her back in the past. I'm not trying to say she broke my heart or anything, it just felt like a wee tiny bit of a betrayal. But then I seem to perceive betrayals even when there aren't any so