[Advanced] Avengers - Age of Ultron (GAME OVER!)

[hazelkrs1]

Something I forgot to point out about TG before I ran audit earlier- when he was asking Tommy why he felt so town on Tsuki, it read more like TG trying to fish for Tommy's twin than trying to see if it was a legit read or not

 

Anyhoo, gonna catch up in other game now. Can someone refresh me on when deadline is? Skimmed hardcore to catch up

[nervositee]

Vos is howling hardcore now, move him to my lean!scum pile 84% on him.   first impression of Darthe as scum is still there, but his current play is a bit more solid, not ready to move him down to null to scum yet though.  Rand is in the null to town now for me, solid play imo.  Arsis is status quo for now.  

 

 

two important posts before the rest are Vos related

 

 

 

Regarding my unvote on Tsuki: It's pretty much gut/tone read. When he first got some heat it seemed like he was flailing. Now it seems like he is just super-frustrated townie. So I'll let it slide for now. 

 

Gonna revisit TG and Red. 

 

I still has a slight town lean on TG - but seing how everything evolved I'm interested in how he peaked my interest in Tsuki, yet stayed pretty clear of my case or subsequent posting. 

 

Red for early game hounding of X. Didn't matter much when she was on about the time stamps, but when that was resolved she seemed determined not to lose face over catching scum. Still does. And not sold on the PMs either. Would not hold those games against scum-Red to play. Seems to be working too. 

 

Arsis is sticking out this game like a sore thumb. Haven't played with him before so I'm not sure how he is. He hasn't scum slipped or anything but his tone is just way off. Gonna be a wild card this game me thinks.

 

the bold is making me confused.   i seemed resolved not to lose face over catching scum ....  over catching scum ....

 

Freudian slip much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe? We're talking about your third claim what does Darthe have to do with it?

Ya, and I'm claiming a cop guilty on Darthe, duh. Why you so dense br0? This is beginning to sound like scum/scum distancing.

 

I'm asking why I should believe your third claim? It's flimsy. It's also early enough for the real cop to not want to cc because they don't have any results yet. It stinks and I don't like it.

 

 

Tommy claimed daycop with a guilty on Darthe

 

Then you immediately discredited his claim.

 

That clearly relates to you and Darthe. 

 

When asked about it, you immediately deflect in and refuses to adress the point. 

 

Makes me wonder why? 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe? We're talking about your third claim what does Darthe have to do with it?

Ya, and I'm claiming a cop guilty on Darthe, duh. Why you so dense br0? This is beginning to sound like scum/scum distancing.

 

I'm asking why I should believe your third claim? It's flimsy. It's also early enough for the real cop to not want to cc because they don't have any results yet. It stinks and I don't like it.

 

The real question is if you all will lynch Tommy if I flip town.  I somehow don't trust this group to actually do it.

 

 

 

Well... we've all seen town play out lies as gambit and fail 

 

but yes, there is a limit to how much Tommy will troll without town stringing him up methinks. But I'm guessing he will claim cop until you have 4-5 votes, then say he lied about it and FoS everyone who voted you.

 

 

 

did ... did you just defend Tommy against Arsis's pressure, and then in the same post discredit Tommy's claim o.0

 

your trying to put yourself in a situation where you can defend against his wagon or jump on it.  i dislike this greatly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 - (about the "freudian slip"). You caught me in bad phrasing. Let me try to clarify what I meant: You went after X hardcore pre-game (dawn). But you are a hardcore player so everything on point. However you seemed even more determined than ever, analyzing timezones and discerning code formatting At this point my thoughts where that you seemed like you were trying abit too hard, but nothing to worry about. 

 

Then the timezones where resolved. He was in +5,5 or something. Then you dismissed it, dismissed the code formatting and just made up a new case on him. That pinged hardcore. Instead of being BullzoderRed you went into "I'm trying to maintain my meta, so I won't quit even though my jumping at a 'townslip' failed". 

 

2 - Misrep here. I didn't defend Tommy against Arsis's pressure, but FoS'ed Arsis for dodging a question AND my discrediting of Tommys claim is now null since all of Tommys claims are just trolling. Besides I explicitly said "town playing out gambits and lie", so even though I'm a bit worn out by Tommy's trolling his claims, I believe he is town. 

 

Thirdly, eyerolls at you responding to me thinking you are scum by suddenly saying I'm howling and moving me into scumpile by picking out two posts you can twist around. Doesn't make you look better in my book. 

[nervositee]

Something I forgot to point out about TG before I ran audit earlier- when he was asking Tommy why he felt so town on Tsuki, it read more like TG trying to fish for Tommy's twin than trying to see if it was a legit read or not

 

Anyhoo, gonna catch up in other game now. Can someone refresh me on when deadline is? Skimmed hardcore to catch up

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/election?iso=20140807T20&p0=904&msg=Day+1+will+end...&csz=1

[nervositee]

 

Also, I want this bookmarked and I want Vos' response, so I'm quoting it here.

 

 

 

Regarding my unvote on Tsuki: It's pretty much gut/tone read. When he first got some heat it seemed like he was flailing. Now it seems like he is just super-frustrated townie. So I'll let it slide for now. 

 

Gonna revisit TG and Red. 

 

I still has a slight town lean on TG - but seing how everything evolved I'm interested in how he peaked my interest in Tsuki, yet stayed pretty clear of my case or subsequent posting. 

 

Red for early game hounding of X. Didn't matter much when she was on about the time stamps, but when that was resolved she seemed determined not to lose face over catching scum. Still does. And not sold on the PMs either. Would not hold those games against scum-Red to play. Seems to be working too. 

 

Arsis is sticking out this game like a sore thumb. Haven't played with him before so I'm not sure how he is. He hasn't scum slipped or anything but his tone is just way off. Gonna be a wild card this game me thinks.

 

the bold is making me confused.   i seemed resolved not to lose face over catching scum ....  over catching scum ....

 

Freudian slip much.

 

 

and as your scummate in that game i have to say.  that shit was hilarious!

 

 

 

Well color me not amused. 

 

First you called me out into the popcorn thing. Now this? You settin' me up here TG or what? 

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

I don't see why things need to be overly complex here.  Tommy fake claimed immediately, is playing to troll and has indicated that he knows things that most likely shouldn't be known by a townie.  Strikes me as a clean D1 lynch at the very least.  

 

Maybe because people want to play the game and find the scum?  What do you mean by a clean lynch? 1  What do we get if Tommy flips town?

 

 

 

2 Darthe is scum, Darthe is scum, I peeked him scum, I'm a dawn cop, Darthe is scum, we need to lynch Darthe.

 

 

placeholder for me to reply to once im home. 

 

 

 

so  

 

1 a game with less trolling??  seriously we get info. he has made 3 claims. if he is a twin we get an idea of whether they are mafia or 3rd party. 

 

2  more lies? I suggest you dont expect anyone to believ you for the rest of the time you are in the game.

 

as for real reasons  my reasons are real reasons. It is entirely possible you are being a ballsy scum counting on the "scum would never do that"  thinking.

 

I dont believe you to be town. your play has been distinctly un-town and unhelpful. there is no reason for a townie to pull that crap.

 

my vote stays where it is. Notice that a bunch others have kept their votes on you too.  

[Nolder]

"Lynch for info" is one of the most overused scum arguments to lead town into mislynches.

Anyone who's town better find better reasons than "info" to lynch someone or you're letting your team down.

 

FYI Dice your other reasons aren't actually reasons.

What does being "unhelpful" even mean? Is he supposed to help you? Me? Anyone? We're all unconfirmed.

And besides what is he supposed to be "helping" us with? This is baseless rhetoric.

 

 

Notice that a bunch others have kept their votes on you too. 

And this is appeal to bandwagon.

Haven't seen that in mafia in a long time.

[Blackhoof]

I don't think your characterization of tommy is right, Dice. He has been participating beyond his silly behaviour and jokes.

[dicetosser1]

what so 3 fake claims and thus multiple lies is town play?  i dont think so.

 

and if he was town nolder he is suppoesed to help town. Creating havok and WIFOM is not helpful to town

[Nolder]

what so 3 fake claims and thus multiple lies is town play?  i dont think so.

 

and if he was town nolder he is suppoesed to help town. Creating havok and WIFOM is not helpful to town

He's only "creating havoc" if you can't take a joke and/or intentionally misunderstand the joke.

Ignore it and move on and the "havoc" wouldn't exist. 

[Xthrax]

 

Sorry I couldn't edit anything out. On my phone.

 

@Red What about question of TG reek for you?

 

And if you quote parts of my post one by one, you can definitely misconstrue that you eere doing everything good. The fact remains that you weren't so you seem scummy

re-TG: like i said on my list, its more of a gut feeling rather then something to put my finger directly on. it might be partly because he's coming off as casting a really big net

 

as to the italics. can you rephrase those sentences?

 

What there to rephrase? It looks pretty clear to me. What didn't you understand? eere means are if you didn't get it. Phone typing

[Tommyrod]

what so 3 fake claims and thus multiple lies is town play?  i dont think so.

 

and if he was town nolder he is suppoesed to help town. Creating havok and WIFOM is not helpful to town

You're an idiot, and possibly just scum who can't develop new reads.

[Tommyrod]

(BTW hard claim Galactus)

[Tommyrod]

Des I'm gonna join you on TG wagon. I think Wombat should as well. There's something off about his tone and aggression for sure. He's making all kinds of unnecessary statements like the "regardless of if you're town or scum" comment you pointed out. I'm gonna roll with that, see where the wagon goes, see who dies of dysentery.
 

[unvote]

 

[v]TG[/v]

[Xthrax]

ISO on X -

 

something i couldn't quote but gives me an off feel about him is that a lot of his posts are dedicated to asking others what their reads are.  the last two pages of his ISO, thats pretty much the only content there is from him.

 

 

it gives off a fishing feeling rather than an actively scum hunting feeling. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This Lenlo crap is funny but pretty damn scummy.  TG is scummy for starting it.  Also FoS Red for lolcatting on Dawn 0.  Des looks high WiM.  Slight town leans on him and Tom.  Keeping eyes on Darthe and Tsuki for now.  Nothing more than that.

Why do you think it is scummy? And how do you fos TG for it? For me personally, this was a gift by the mod for saying hashtag thrice. And I think the others were given the same gift too.

 

 

Because it makes it harder to tell in the moment which of you is posting what, which is gonna muddle gut reads to some extent.

 

You could  just go by people's names, you know?

 

 

I said "harder" not impossible.  But gut reactions are often made as soon as I read a post and the avatar can mess that up.

 

I don't know about that. I've been on quite a few forums(not playing mafia per se) so one thing I've noticed is that people tend to change the avi's a lot. So I generally look at the name whenever I see someone's post. And I think that should be the viable option here.

 

 

They generally don't all get the same avi tho.  And yeah, maybe I should just turn avatars off or something.

 

Maybe

 

But according to you, that is just confusing to get gut reads on. So how is that scummy? And why do you find TG scummy for it?

 

these two are directed at wombat.

 

i find the defending TG ultron ping worthy.

 

he out right attacks womby over the avatar thing, getting defensive about it and even snarky.  and the thing is, Womby wasn't even FoSing him, he was FoSing TG for starting the whole thing.

 

why is he grilling womby on this on TG behalf? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

X, what's wrong with setting traps?

Firstly, to me it's only scum who want to trap townies.

 

Secondly, it's scum who want to misconstrue and mis-lynch

 

 

 

And I've seen that same dialogue used twice and guess what-both of the users were scum

 

Huh. Asking "are you scum" is a scum tactic? News to me.

 

Twice scum have used it in a game I was. 

 

And with that I'm gonna go sleep soon.

 

G'Night!

 

 

this was always remarked on by others, but how is asking if someone is scum a trap by scum?  Tina responded that it can be used by LD's and X even agreed. 

 

so if its a tactic that can actually out scum, how is it bad for the town or a scum tactic?

 

 

Faith of Mynd?

 

What did Mynd give you?

 

Look at my subsequent posts detailing what it is. I've said that it's a post restriction lasting until the next phase ends i.e; Day. That's what it is for me. And Rand also has said that he too recieved a Post restriction

this was in response to me grilling him over the PR claim. 2 pings are the bold

 

his first reaction is to dig for info on what PR i got.

 

and then he mentions Rand out of the blue to support himself, which comes off as him saying he knows what Rands PR is and that they got the same thing. i dislike how he links himself with Rand and uses Rand as a shield.

 

 

See, right here is the tone change. I don't like this one bit.

 

I don't like apologetic tones. To me that's only scum.

 

But here it's more. There is partly that to seem understanding but just enough bbulldog to seem on meta.

 

If you are wrong, you come straight out with a I was wrong or persist in I was right. I don't like a mish-mash of both

here he is trying to make me scummy irregardless of how i act. not to mention the misrep on me as well 1

 

 

[v]Red[/v]

For her reaction. Not the case but what came after. After conclusive evidence was shown but her insistence for pushing later with nonsensical reasoning.

 

But mainly for her comments. A partial attempt to reinforce her bulldog meta. Itseemed as partly trying to seem understanding but also trying to fake her meta so that no one tries to call that out

and then D1 starts and he comes out of the gate with this. no mention on current events, nothing commented even as of yet about Nol and totally ignoring the character claims over the night from Tommy.

 

its out of character (OOC) for X. he's trying to be a bulldog and he's tunneling on me. this is not in his playstyle at all and it pings as to why he'd suddenly be switching up playstyles.2

 

 

There are two things conflicting me right now, Tommy. You could be a jester using Galactus as a fake claim to get lynched. But there is something else too. 

 

This is a 24 player game, I'm guessing lynch is 13 players. You need 6 more votes to be lynched. If you were Jester, you would not have needed to say anything. There are bound to be some more sheep who would follow others. Or you would have thrown the thread into more confusion.

 

Or you could be scum like some others believe. There are two trains of thought here-You are a townie who was trolling. Or you are scum who tried to be too smart. On normal occasions, I would have gone with the less obvious-that you are town. But from my game, scum can execute dumb moves and pull it off because town thinks scum wouldn't be that dumb. I'm Wifom'ing myself here but I like this puzzle     

 

he's fence sitting on Tommy and it comes off as forced and needing to post "thoughts" about Tommy given he came out of the gate swinging at me and ignored recent events so he doesn't get FoSd over it.3

 

 

 

 

Technically, they could (Quicksilver (one of the Twins) was supposed to be Magneto's kid) - But not in the films, because Fox owns the rights to X-Men

Oh quicksilver is an xman? Okay I know he's in the game so yes there's xmen here.

 

How do you know Quicksilver is in the game?

 

this is reaching and proof that X isn't reading Mynds scenes imo

 

he then proceeds to start pushing at tommy and interrogating tommy while leaving his vote on me 4

 

 

Are you sure? Sure you won't change to another Marvel character?

 

this was directed at Tommy. notice the snark in it. again this is OOC for X imo5

 

 

 

You are the Witch - Only one with reason to have people on your train is for mind-buggery.

He could be Quicksilver? He could be anyone. But why do you strongly believe he's one of the twins?

 

 

this is an example of what i mean about interrogation and more interested in grilling peolpe and fishing for info, rather than scum hunting6

 

 

 

 

 

You say you're one of the Twins, you say you're the Living Tribunal and now Modok.

 

Quick, next who?

Why are you making a big deal out of me joking around?

 

Dude , I'm joking

 

then a 180 on tone towards Tommy.

 

he goes from interrogating tommy and trying to cast doubt on tommy directly, to backing off and being friendly.

 

its like he's scared to be confrontational out in the open.7

 

 

 

Firstly, I don't think I was asking others for their reads, I have formed my own. What I ask others is there reason for their reads for others because I want to find their motives and whether or not it is opportunistically and scummy.  And that is because I don't have beforehand knowledge. Town asks questions because when the game starts they don't know anything other than the fact that they're town.  

 

Bold-I question Wombat because I don't agree with him fos'ing TG. At that point I had been given that avatar to wear as Post restriction. So I thought the same had happened for  others. And do tell me how I acted snarky and over-defensive when all I told him was he could look at the names. Please do

 

Italics-I agree with what Tina pointed out. But I don't like it because I've seen it used frequently by mafia.

 

Underlined-I asked you for it because you said that you recieved a  PR too. What's wrong in asking? And Rand mentioned that he had got a PR. He also had the anti-lenlo avi. So I thought it was the same as mine.

 

1-It's not making you scummy regardless of anything. It's because you already acted scummy according to what I believe is acting scummy. You tried to fake your meta IMO. And how did I misrep you, do tell

 

2-I didn't comment about Nol because for me his stance is not alignment indicative. If you notice after you, I commented on Tommy. It's not switching my playstyles. you're right for that one, I'm not a bulldog. I found you scummy. So what should I do, wait for a few days then vote? I like to be pro-active.   

 

3-Would you call speaking aloud and letting everyone know what you think is fence-sitting? If so, then yeah. Because I don't. And what about it seems forced? I focused on you because you were a scum read and I like to focus on something definite I have instead of going on something less sure.

 

4-Such a subtle omgus. I left my vote on you because I find you more scummy. And apparently you feel some sort of danger very quickly  with even just  one vote on you.Why so panicky Red? Is it because it has some merit? And FYI, at the time of my post, nowhere had Mynd mentioned the Twins.

 

5-I can't make fun? I was poking fun at Tommy for his repeated changes. I was teasing him for his claims.

 

6-What would you call scummy Red? To me it's asking questions, find stuff out, analysing people's questions based on their answer etc. Only scum don't need to ask questions because they know stuff already. To me people who don't want others asking questions are scum, which you seem to be.

 

7-Refer 5

 

All in all, I'm quite happy with my vote on Red.

[Xthrax]

 

 

 

You say you're one of the Twins, you say you're the Living Tribunal and now Modok.

 

Quick, next who?

Why are you making a big deal out of me joking around?

 

Dude , I'm joking

 

What. I haven’t really followed why Red is looking askance at X, but I don’t like this “I’m joking” response. It read like real frustration/annoyance to me and then to say “JK!” is weird. Why not just admit the frustration?

 

 

It's because I was teasing him.

 

On the whole, I like Key so far. She's been actively asking questions and trying analyse what people do 

[Xthrax]

 

 

Does this talk about whether the twins are X-Men or not due to rights really help at all? Seems to me a distraction.

 

 

Nope, but it is a FUN distraction... and one that only lasted 5 or 6 posts... trying too hard to seem like you are into the game "so hardcore"??

 

I don't like these kind of posts-looks fake. 

[Xthrax]

reasons im on tommy

 

he whined about playing.

he then claimed Galactus a major villian, multiple times.

then he goes  oh no im a twin not galactus!!  the twins are villians at this point in canon.

he is trolling and i am in the ABBA game and as such am sick of trolling.

 

 

he didnt want to play then seems to have played to get lynched so i say we give him what he wanted.

 

 

somebody made a comment of me going for low hanging fruit....i have read tommy as scum a number of times and tried to get him lynched and he always turned out scum yet I dont think i EVER succeeded so no im not seeing ure low hanging fruit thing

Have you considered about roles that win with being lynched? And you're reasons for voting Tommy are that he was being annoying? 

 

Am I understanding the bold correctly-you want to lynch Tommy because previously when you read him as scum and tried to get him lynched you failed and now you want to try it?

This really looks weak to me.

 

What are your reads on all the other gameplay that has happened?  

[Xthrax]

Haven't fully caught up yet

 

 

Just 'cause he had people on his train, a hint at a combined role(why do you only say mason? Could just as well be some sort of survivor or lover that is paired) and the fact that the

character he claimed which has a role in the upcoming film is no indication that he's truthful

lovers? Eww they are siblings :P

 

  

My favourite heroes are Hulk and Cyclops

iron man all the way.

 

Firstly, Dude why do you think that way?

 

No Hulk? Hulk sad   

[Darthe]

 

Vos is howling hardcore now, move him to my lean!scum pile 84% on him.   first impression of Darthe as scum is still there, but his current play is a bit more solid, not ready to move him down to null to scum yet though.  Rand is in the null to town now for me, solid play imo.  Arsis is status quo for now.  

 

 

two important posts before the rest are Vos related

 

 

 

Regarding my unvote on Tsuki: It's pretty much gut/tone read. When he first got some heat it seemed like he was flailing. Now it seems like he is just super-frustrated townie. So I'll let it slide for now. 

 

Gonna revisit TG and Red. 

 

I still has a slight town lean on TG - but seing how everything evolved I'm interested in how he peaked my interest in Tsuki, yet stayed pretty clear of my case or subsequent posting. 

 

Red for early game hounding of X. Didn't matter much when she was on about the time stamps, but when that was resolved she seemed determined not to lose face over catching scum. Still does. And not sold on the PMs either. Would not hold those games against scum-Red to play. Seems to be working too. 

 

Arsis is sticking out this game like a sore thumb. Haven't played with him before so I'm not sure how he is. He hasn't scum slipped or anything but his tone is just way off. Gonna be a wild card this game me thinks.

 

the bold is making me confused.   i seemed resolved not to lose face over catching scum ....  over catching scum ....

 

Freudian slip much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe? We're talking about your third claim what does Darthe have to do with it?

Ya, and I'm claiming a cop guilty on Darthe, duh. Why you so dense br0? This is beginning to sound like scum/scum distancing.

 

I'm asking why I should believe your third claim? It's flimsy. It's also early enough for the real cop to not want to cc because they don't have any results yet. It stinks and I don't like it.

 

 

Tommy claimed daycop with a guilty on Darthe

 

Then you immediately discredited his claim.

 

That clearly relates to you and Darthe. 

 

When asked about it, you immediately deflect in and refuses to adress the point. 

 

Makes me wonder why? 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe? We're talking about your third claim what does Darthe have to do with it?

Ya, and I'm claiming a cop guilty on Darthe, duh. Why you so dense br0? This is beginning to sound like scum/scum distancing.

 

I'm asking why I should believe your third claim? It's flimsy. It's also early enough for the real cop to not want to cc because they don't have any results yet. It stinks and I don't like it.

 

The real question is if you all will lynch Tommy if I flip town.  I somehow don't trust this group to actually do it.

 

 

 

Well... we've all seen town play out lies as gambit and fail 

 

but yes, there is a limit to how much Tommy will troll without town stringing him up methinks. But I'm guessing he will claim cop until you have 4-5 votes, then say he lied about it and FoS everyone who voted you.

 

 

 

did ... did you just defend Tommy against Arsis's pressure, and then in the same post discredit Tommy's claim o.0

 

your trying to put yourself in a situation where you can defend against his wagon or jump on it.  i dislike this greatly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 - (about the "freudian slip"). You caught me 

 

Amazed nobody pointed this out.  It's not a normal way to speak and is a pretty obvious sign of a guilty conscious.  Also that last scene was about me.

 

[v] vos [/v]

[Lenlo]

 

Also highly suspect of Red and Tina. Red for reasons that should be obvious, 

This is something that I always hate to see people say. It leaves room for people to fill in whatever they want as a reason and while this instance, with Reds multiple PMs, its clearer I still would like to have it posted for the future.

 

Des can we get a quote as proof to show you were pmed by Red?

[Blackhoof]

 

 

Also highly suspect of Red and Tina. Red for reasons that should be obvious, 

This is something that I always hate to see people say. It leaves room for people to fill in whatever they want as a reason and while this instance, with Reds multiple PMs, its clearer I still would like to have it posted for the future.

 

Des can we get a quote as proof to show you were pmed by Red?

 

 

 

I tend to dislike it as well for the arrogant overtones, but that is on par for Des i guess ahaha

[keyholder21]

 

 

Red do you have any objection to me sharing the reads list you PMed me during N0?

She called me her top townie. Awwww.

Oh really? Because I just so happened to get a similar PM from her, telling me I was her top town read as well? This should be good. I was tempted to reveal it because it felt like she overplayed her towniness in it to me,

 

 

reaaaally? How very interesting.... That looks terrible for red. Private buddying? Bad bad bad

 

her vote on dawn is also extremely flimsy. Considering a red vote atm

 

How do the PMs look bad for Red? They were allowed during Dawn phase.

Agree on the flimsy vote of Dawn, but I am still reading Red as town.

 

 

Random catchup musings -

 

Darthe looks mild scum salad, Hallia is town lean for the very early "I'm town" proclamation, and Hoof gives me the the creeps.

 

As for the bwahaha comment, that is like popcorning on steroids. Vos?

 

[v]Tsuki[/v]

 

creeps? What a strange thing to say. Hurtful.

 

That’s all you have to say about his post? Nothing about the bad vote on Tsuki, or the read on Hallia with no explanation?

 

 

When town is trying to solve the game and someone makes it needlessly complicated with stuff like this?

I had to double-check your name to make sure you were the real Lenlo after I read this. You realize this is the issue I have with you almost every game, right? Did you put on your shiny pro-town hat for this game?

 

I agree. That comment from Len was weird.

 

But, imagine if nol is scum and I called it that early? I'd look like I'm great at this game. Instead of hopelessly out of my depth.

This is just a weird comment. “imagine if”? I also don’t know how to take the last sentence. Okay, so you feel hopelessly out of your depth. What are we supposed to do with that?

 

Also, really don’t like it when people only comment on themselves from a list/big post like that. You don’t have any questions about Red’s views of other people?

 

 

What's your read on Wombat atm?

He's one of the hardest if not the hardest player for me to read. I told him straight up I think he's scummy and he just said "k" in response which I found even scummier. I think he enjoys having an extremely balanced range. He's someone I'd vig because as town he acts scummy and as scum he acts scummy and I don't think he generally puts in enough effort to be really effective as town? Or maybe I've just never gotten to endgame with him as town/town. Do you think he's a good townie?

I tend to see town Wombat as a good asset, one I wouldn't want to lose.

 

I think most people around here see him that way, so he tends to be one of the first NK targets.

Huh, I guess I just had a bad mental image of him then. I thought Red was scum until she PMed me and now who frickin knows

 

Unless they are on a scum team together, which I don’t get that vibe atm, these comments from Krak regarding Wombat make Krak look good to me.

 

 

 

I said why I found your catchup post scummy. It's surficial. You make 3 conclusions then ignore them all to vote because of popcorn and tie Vos to voting him for the same reason. Bad. scummy agenda pushing post.

 

Do you think you could keep up this level of arguing in real time as scum? Serious question.

Yes it is superficial, I just speed read 50 pages and summarized my notes in a few salient points. And I mentioned Vos because Vos reaction should be very telling about Vos' alignment.

 

As for the level of argument, your meta on me is wrong which makes your question baseless.

 

Could it be telling though? If Vos agrees with you and tunnels on Tsuki for today, what does that tell you?

 

Really good point, imo.

 

 

 

I don't see why things need to be overly complex here. Tommy fake claimed immediately, is playing to troll and has indicated that he knows things that most likely shouldn't be known by a townie. Strikes me as a clean D1 lynch at the very least.

I wanna agree here. Really really really. But at this point, I think all that will lead to is a bitch fight after EndGame. #howtoplayMafia

 

Should maybe have emphasized ALL THAT WILL LEAD TO. Ie. I don't think it'll lead anywhere (except said bitch fight).

 

So...you really really really want to agree, but you aren't agreeing? If you think he should be lynched, then why not vote for him? I'm confused, even with the capitals.

 

Regarding my unvote on Tsuki: It's pretty much gut/tone read. When he first got some heat it seemed like he was flailing. Now it seems like he is just super-frustrated townie. So I'll let it slide for now.

 

Gonna revisit TG and Red.

 

I still has a slight town lean on TG - but seing how everything evolved I'm interested in how he peaked my interest in Tsuki, yet stayed pretty clear of my case or subsequent posting.

 

Red for early game hounding of X. Didn't matter much when she was on about the time stamps, but when that was resolved she seemed determined not to lose face over catching scum. Still does. And not sold on the PMs either. Would not hold those games against scum-Red to play. Seems to be working too.

 

Arsis is sticking out this game like a sore thumb. Haven't played with him before so I'm not sure how he is. He hasn't scum slipped or anything but his tone is just way off. Gonna be a wild card this game me thinks.

What about TG gives you your town read?

 

I’ll come back to the Red paragraph.

 

What does “gonna be a wild card this game” mean when referring to Arsis?

[Darthe]

 

 

 

I don't see why things need to be overly complex here.  Tommy fake claimed immediately, is playing to troll and has indicated that he knows things that most likely shouldn't be known by a townie.  Strikes me as a clean D1 lynch at the very least.  

 

I wanna agree here. Really really really. But at this point, I think all that will lead to is a bitch fight after EndGame. #howtoplayMafia

 

 

Logical fallacy.  Agree or don't.  Postgame doesn't play into it.

 

Should maybe have emphasized ALL THAT WILL LEAD TO. Ie. I don't think it'll lead anywhere (except said bitch fight). 

 

Beside that, I'm not ruling out TG leading me to Tsuki. Been aware of it since he called me out. Will revisit. 

 

 

Darthe is scum, Darthe is scum, I peeked him scum, I'm a dawn cop, Darthe is scum, we need to lynch Darthe.

 

 

You're just trolling again, aren't you?

 

 

These stick out.  The entire "I want to agree" is hedging but still reinforcing a lynch of Tommy and yet he uses something outside of the game as a reason to hold back.  That doesn't speak of a bad read or even a muddled read, it only says that he needs a reason to not follow suit on something while keeping up with the game.  

 

The second quoted part here lines up with the first well enough that I can see some internal consistency but I think it looks strange.  

[Darthe]

Key looks shady today.  I agree with BH and Len etc that Red looks bad for trying to play off of people in PM's.  Of course, Red has looked bad this entire game but nobody is really listening to that atm.

 

Also, <3 hally, just saw your post from earlier.

[nervositee]

 

 

Vos is howling hardcore now, move him to my lean!scum pile 84% on him.   first impression of Darthe as scum is still there, but his current play is a bit more solid, not ready to move him down to null to scum yet though.  Rand is in the null to town now for me, solid play imo.  Arsis is status quo for now.  

 

 

two important posts before the rest are Vos related

 

 

 

Regarding my unvote on Tsuki: It's pretty much gut/tone read. When he first got some heat it seemed like he was flailing. Now it seems like he is just super-frustrated townie. So I'll let it slide for now. 

 

Gonna revisit TG and Red. 

 

I still has a slight town lean on TG - but seing how everything evolved I'm interested in how he peaked my interest in Tsuki, yet stayed pretty clear of my case or subsequent posting. 

 

Red for early game hounding of X. Didn't matter much when she was on about the time stamps, but when that was resolved she seemed determined not to lose face over catching scum. Still does. And not sold on the PMs either. Would not hold those games against scum-Red to play. Seems to be working too. 

 

Arsis is sticking out this game like a sore thumb. Haven't played with him before so I'm not sure how he is. He hasn't scum slipped or anything but his tone is just way off. Gonna be a wild card this game me thinks.

 

the bold is making me confused.   i seemed resolved not to lose face over catching scum ....  over catching scum ....

 

Freudian slip much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe? We're talking about your third claim what does Darthe have to do with it?

Ya, and I'm claiming a cop guilty on Darthe, duh. Why you so dense br0? This is beginning to sound like scum/scum distancing.

 

I'm asking why I should believe your third claim? It's flimsy. It's also early enough for the real cop to not want to cc because they don't have any results yet. It stinks and I don't like it.

 

 

Tommy claimed daycop with a guilty on Darthe

 

Then you immediately discredited his claim.

 

That clearly relates to you and Darthe. 

 

When asked about it, you immediately deflect in and refuses to adress the point. 

 

Makes me wonder why? 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe? We're talking about your third claim what does Darthe have to do with it?

Ya, and I'm claiming a cop guilty on Darthe, duh. Why you so dense br0? This is beginning to sound like scum/scum distancing.

 

I'm asking why I should believe your third claim? It's flimsy. It's also early enough for the real cop to not want to cc because they don't have any results yet. It stinks and I don't like it.

 

The real question is if you all will lynch Tommy if I flip town.  I somehow don't trust this group to actually do it.

 

 

 

Well... we've all seen town play out lies as gambit and fail 

 

but yes, there is a limit to how much Tommy will troll without town stringing him up methinks. But I'm guessing he will claim cop until you have 4-5 votes, then say he lied about it and FoS everyone who voted you.

 

 

 

did ... did you just defend Tommy against Arsis's pressure, and then in the same post discredit Tommy's claim o.0

 

your trying to put yourself in a situation where you can defend against his wagon or jump on it.  i dislike this greatly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 - (about the "freudian slip"). You caught me 

 

Amazed nobody pointed this out.  It's not a normal way to speak and is a pretty obvious sign of a guilty conscious.  Also that last scene was about me.

 

[v] vos [/v]

 

 

So chopping a sentence in half is your new way to scum-hunt? If you wanna emphasize it - fine. But come on, don't chop my quotes in half and leave it in the quote. That is the text book definition of "misrep". 

 

Reason for using those words were pure annoyance at Red seeing a poorly constructed sentence and jumping at it as wolfy, instead of trying to understand what I meant or asking for clarification. Should be clear from the context, but you chopped that out 

 

Chopping sentences in half and using it as a basis for a vote is not a pro-town move, even D1. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see why things need to be overly complex here. Tommy fake claimed immediately, is playing to troll and has indicated that he knows things that most likely shouldn't be known by a townie. Strikes me as a clean D1 lynch at the very least.

I wanna agree here. Really really really. But at this point, I think all that will lead to is a bitch fight after EndGame. #howtoplayMafia

 

Should maybe have emphasized ALL THAT WILL LEAD TO. Ie. I don't think it'll lead anywhere (except said bitch fight).

 

So...you really really really want to agree, but you aren't agreeing? If you think he should be lynched, then why not vote for him? I'm confused, even with the capitals.

 

Regarding my unvote on Tsuki: It's pretty much gut/tone read. When he first got some heat it seemed like he was flailing. Now it seems like he is just super-frustrated townie. So I'll let it slide for now.

 

Gonna revisit TG and Red.

 

I still has a slight town lean on TG - but seing how everything evolved I'm interested in how he peaked my interest in Tsuki, yet stayed pretty clear of my case or subsequent posting.

 

Red for early game hounding of X. Didn't matter much when she was on about the time stamps, but when that was resolved she seemed determined not to lose face over catching scum. Still does. And not sold on the PMs either. Would not hold those games against scum-Red to play. Seems to be working too.

 

Arsis is sticking out this game like a sore thumb. Haven't played with him before so I'm not sure how he is. He hasn't scum slipped or anything but his tone is just way off. Gonna be a wild card this game me thinks.

What about TG gives you your town read?

 

I’ll come back to the Red paragraph.

 

What does “gonna be a wild card this game” mean when referring to Arsis?

 

 

1 - Yes. I want to, but I don't think it's the best course of action for town. I want everyone who troll one way or another out of the way because they are distracting gameplay, which is what I think Tommy has done a lot of this game. And I don't think he can show a lot of info from it either. But I think he is trolling as town, and I don't want to lynch town, even if they don't play like I would want to. That would be selfish, poor play and a huge disservice to town.

 

It's like someone driving past you shouting an insult at you. You want to pick up a rock and throw it through their windshield. But you really don't want to, because the negative consequences outweigh the positives - and it's really not a constructive thing to do. 

 

(to Darthe who just posted: saying I wanna, but I don't think it'll lead anywhere should be clear enough that I don't think he will flip scum. ie. I read him as town. I don't see how that is reinforcing Tommys lynch.)

 

2 - View on TG has changed since. But it was mainly tone/gut read. 

 

Wild card being he has a vastly different playstyle from me, comes with short aggrivated posts and I have no friggin' clue how to read him. He reads like someone I'd read as scum even if he was town. It's annoying but that's where I am. Makes it easy for him to coast and dangerous to lynch.