[Advanced] Avengers - Age of Ultron (GAME OVER!)

[Nolder]

Nothing that comes to mind at this moment.

[hazelkrs1]

Aw shit almost out of time again

 

Kk well I didn't even skim that much and read up to page 114. Fortunately I decided to collect a grand total of zero quotes to both save time and preserve everyone's sanity

 

Okay so I don't have too too much to add but I will get into my POE since well we've done some hardcore clearing of townies in the past couple days

 

Tommy

Darthe

Arsis

Tsuki

 

are all LOCK CLEAR, and this shouldn't really be contested. After seeing it myself, yeah all those were around at an absolutely critical period and were all either making moves that made no sense as scum or generally passing reaction tests, even aside from their claims

 

Along that same vein, a few peeps were also somewhat present while that whole mess was going down, the ones that stand out are Nolder, Rand, and Wombat. Nolder's arguments were stupid but he can be quite obtuse as a townie but the point is he was posting and wasn't slanking and plotting on a QT like many scum would when that many claims are going down. So Nolderp is LOCK CLEAR imo (as an aside, I REALLY hate how some peeps were quoting Nolder's post talking about how people shouldn't claim willy nilly for nothing EVEN THO HE DID EXACTLY THAT. Saying he was townie for that was stupid). Rand is also LOCK CLEAR imo because he shared a similar sentiment to what was going on in my head at the time- what the FFFFFFF was everyone thinking claiming so early in an advanced setup like this where who knows what the FFFFFFF mafia can do???? He had townie reactions to all that stuff and again, wasn't slanking and plotting on a QT instead of posting

 

Wombat out of that crew stands out however- I already had suspicions of him but they def grew while reading his posts. Overall I liked that he was posting, and he did post one thing that was absurdly protown, some kind of plan to use abilities or something (Wombat if you are town, please repeat it for me plz). HOWEVER. He also said he was tired so couldn't think straight, and while that could have been the truth, I also think it was scummy of him to try and use that to cover his ass, to explain why he wasn't reacting correctly or something. Then he dropped off the thread while everything kept going on then came back to tunnel on Rand. Looked random and forced, and scummy considering that Rand actually looked good from the exchange tbh. So Wombat is def high on my scumlist now

 

Running out of time so gonna be short and sweet with the rest

 

TG looked bad to me earlier and if anything has gotten worse. Failed reaction test when he entered back into thread, was trying to make it seem like he was on board with everything while also saying town should lynch Tommy at some point.

 

Red still looks bad cause she dropped off the face of the thread when a lot of this stuff was going down, I def expect she was one of those plotting on a QT somewhere

 

Vos went from town read for me to scum based mostly on his reaction to everything, and suddenly acting like his WIM was destroyed. Yknow whose WIM would have been destroyed while reading all those claims? Scum.

 

Ermmmmmmm that's all I can remember for now. Oh wait! Of fffffff it's gone again.... GRRRRR someone that also looked crazy townie to me, was a new read............ DAMMIT. Oh well

 

I do remember two other people I wanted to talk about tho- Tina and Hallia. Hallia posted something right before a lot of the claiming went down, and something later that night that had basically nothing to do with the claims so yeah reaction test FAIL on her part. Tina has looked kinda sketchy to me as well, she looks like she's mailing it in. For some reason she actually seems to get "lost" on the thread more as scum, even when it's the truth. That's not what was scummy tho, it was mainly how she was trying to stick to much older stuff, seemed like overwhelmed scum that was trying to make it seem like they were scumhunting so went with old reads based off old info

 

Okay NOW the peeps who still look good to me, besides the LOCK CLEARS above:

 

AJ

Krak
Hoof

NB

Tress

Key

Xthrax

 

I think there was one or two more but they prob got covered above

 

I'll get out a fancy color coded list when I get home, this is prob hard to follow

 

I like the position we're in tho, despite all the (imo) premature claims. Hella active D1

[Nolder]

 

Nolder's arguments were stupid but he can be quite obtuse as a townie but the point is he was posting and wasn't slanking and plotting on a QT like many scum would when that many claims are going down. So Nolderp is LOCK CLEAR imo 

That's kind of dumb.

Do you think I'm so bad I can't post on a QT and game thread at the same time?

In the clash of the ancients game I had to manage communicating in a scum QT, mason QT, and the game thread.

Granted me and krak weren't that active in our mason QT but my point is I can multi task so this isn't a reason to consider me clear.

 

 

HOWEVER. He also said he was tired so couldn't think straight, and while that could have been the truth, I also think it was scummy of him to try and use that to cover his ass, to explain why he wasn't reacting correctly or something. Then he dropped off the thread while everything kept going on then came back to tunnel on Rand.

Wombat is 3 hours ahead of me and I know lately I've been posting in the early AMs.

The reason he "dropped off the thread" was probably to sleep.

I mean you might as well target Tina if you're going to judge people on when they're online and offline.

 

Note I'm not suggesting you actually target Tina, just using her as an example to drive my point home.

Hell you yourself get on at very odd hours. Are you avoiding all the action scumbo? Ok then.

[Tyler Glembo]

Des lists are horribad along with the clear lack of reason.

[Tyler Glembo]

AJ, Krak, X all look good to Des? Rand is lock clear town? The opposite of mind meld.

[nervositee]

Certainly interesting that Des is clearing people based on when they are online.

 

Got a lot of different time zones here, and a lot of different habbits and work hours.

 

And I think a good scum player could easily stay current in the game even without having to check the scum QT.

 

"These people are lock clear and shouldnt be touched" is a dumb statement no matter what.

 

Des: how does the possibility of a recruitment mechanic line up to your "shouldn't be touched" statement?

 

I remember Tommy stating during dawn "hey! Recruit me!"

 

So he could easily clear his own pro town role tonight and get recruited.

 

With all the "LOCK" claims and confirmed town roles, mafia could have their easiest game EVER. Especially when people go tossing dirt at players questioning it.

[Tyler Glembo]

And why the need to over justify des? You say tommy etc are lock clear and shouldn't be contested. Then you go on to give reasoning that has nothing to do with the main point for why they should be clear when you just said they didn't need to be cleared.

 

Des is scum

[nervositee]

If scum can recruit, then Tommy can have a perfect win.

 

Troll the thread, ask to be recruited

Hard claim and confirm his role day 1

Throw dirt at everyone questioning him

Get recruited to scum while retaining his role.

Recruiting the people he clears

 

Scum win. Easy peasy because people dont have the stamina required to go against the Tommy/Darthe freightrain.

[nervositee]

Also, since Des FOS'd my lost wim - if this is a balanced game then wouldn't scum be gleeming with joy over so many claims D1?

No matter if they can recruit or not?

[Xthrax]

 

 

 

 

Nolder is #LOCKCLEAR F#@$ING TOWN.  The fact that Tommy can't see how LockClear Nolder is for being the only person to actually  speak up about the circle jerk going on and remind the fearsome foursome that they aren't conf!town bothers me.  Tommy, play better.

Why do you consider Nolder to be Locktown for that. And why do you consider Tommy and Tsuki to be in a jerk circle for trying to stop a lynch that was building up very fast. If Darthe was scum, his teammates would have definitely tried to stop it much quicker and actually would have got it delayed contrary to how fast it was building. It's seems like a town mislynch if it got upto L-3 before anyone trying to stop it. 

 

 

A power that is kept entirely off thread and can only be taken at the word of a player?  Nolder was the only person talking sense while the rest of them got carried away.  If their powers are true, awesome, we can use them to win the game with a little coordination.  But being skeptical is a townie reaction.

 

That is their actions and confirming the veracity of their statements. But what did their actions achieve? Trying to stop a extremely fast building lynch that IMO looked quite like a townie mislynch.  

 

 

How exactly did it look like a mislynch?  Yeah, the train was fast, but Darthe was so far off his town meta it was absurd.  Also saying "townie mislynch" is redundant and reads fake to me.

 

I repeated my reasoning for considering it a mislynch quite a few times. How is it redundant? 

 

That whole lynches don't count as successful thing makes Tommy's power significantly less useful than it otherwise would be.  What that means is that it will do things like prevent my secondary ability from working and I can only imagine that that would affect multiple other players as well.

Darthe (13) - NotBob, Nolder, Dawn, Songstress, Hallia, Blackhoof, Lenlo, Keyholder, Xthrax, TGlems, Andrej, Darthe, Tommy

 

One Four of these things is not like the other, one four of these things is totally scum!

 

Your eye in the sky says!

 

Four eh.  Thanks Hawk.  I predict that Dawn, Hally, Darthe, and Tommy are the clearest of that entire list leaving four out of Notbob, Nolder, Tress, BH, Len, Key, X, TG, and AJ.  Of those I would arrange them from town to scum as BH, Tress, Len, AJ, TG, Key, X,  Notbob and I have no idea where to put Nolder.  

 

Thus I am willing to lynch X and Notbob tomorrow and I think those are very viable trains, especially X who has been SNEAKING through this game.

Do tell me, how has X been sneaking through the game?

[Blackhoof]

Recruiting with his power WOULD be the perfect cover.....

 

then he just gets them to post their role pm on the QT and he can post it.....

 

if that is what is happening, then I tip my hat to Tommy for a play well done

 

we probably have some investigative roles though, so such a play would be risky and draw attention to him and all his recruits.

 

unfortunately we cannot know, for now.

[Blackhoof]

 

 

 

 

 

Nolder is #LOCKCLEAR F#@$ING TOWN.  The fact that Tommy can't see how LockClear Nolder is for being the only person to actually  speak up about the circle jerk going on and remind the fearsome foursome that they aren't conf!town bothers me.  Tommy, play better.

Why do you consider Nolder to be Locktown for that. And why do you consider Tommy and Tsuki to be in a jerk circle for trying to stop a lynch that was building up very fast. If Darthe was scum, his teammates would have definitely tried to stop it much quicker and actually would have got it delayed contrary to how fast it was building. It's seems like a town mislynch if it got upto L-3 before anyone trying to stop it. 

 

 

A power that is kept entirely off thread and can only be taken at the word of a player?  Nolder was the only person talking sense while the rest of them got carried away.  If their powers are true, awesome, we can use them to win the game with a little coordination.  But being skeptical is a townie reaction.

 

That is their actions and confirming the veracity of their statements. But what did their actions achieve? Trying to stop a extremely fast building lynch that IMO looked quite like a townie mislynch.  

 

 

How exactly did it look like a mislynch?  Yeah, the train was fast, but Darthe was so far off his town meta it was absurd.  Also saying "townie mislynch" is redundant and reads fake to me.

 

I repeated my reasoning for considering it a mislynch quite a few times. How is it redundant? 

 

That whole lynches don't count as successful thing makes Tommy's power significantly less useful than it otherwise would be.  What that means is that it will do things like prevent my secondary ability from working and I can only imagine that that would affect multiple other players as well.

Darthe (13) - NotBob, Nolder, Dawn, Songstress, Hallia, Blackhoof, Lenlo, Keyholder, Xthrax, TGlems, Andrej, Darthe, Tommy

 

One Four of these things is not like the other, one four of these things is totally scum!

 

Your eye in the sky says!

 

Four eh.  Thanks Hawk.  I predict that Dawn, Hally, Darthe, and Tommy are the clearest of that entire list leaving four out of Notbob, Nolder, Tress, BH, Len, Key, X, TG, and AJ.  Of those I would arrange them from town to scum as BH, Tress, Len, AJ, TG, Key, X,  Notbob and I have no idea where to put Nolder.  

 

Thus I am willing to lynch X and Notbob tomorrow and I think those are very viable trains, especially X who has been SNEAKING through this game.

Do tell me, how has X been sneaking through the game?

 

 

he seemed pretty active from memory...

[Niniel]

Darthe (13) - NotBob, Nolder, Dawn, Songstress, Hallia, Blackhoof, Lenlo, Keyholder, Xthrax, TGlems, Andrej, Darthe, Tommy

 

One Four of these things is not like the other, one four of these things is totally scum!

 

Your eye in the sky says!

 

I can confirm this, which leads me to believe that Hally is town after all. 

[Nolder]

 

Darthe (13) - NotBob, Nolder, Dawn, Songstress, Hallia, Blackhoof, Lenlo, Keyholder, Xthrax, TGlems, Andrej, Darthe, Tommy

 

One Four of these things is not like the other, one four of these things is totally scum!

 

Your eye in the sky says!

 

I can confirm this, which leads me to believe that Hally is town after all. 

 

Kind of odd you can confirm it. Would mean you have the same power, right?

Which makes you/her redundant. Just strikes me as strange.

 

FTR because I've seen how people love to misunderstand/spin this game no I'm not asking you if you have that power.

It was rhetoric. A statement presented as a question. 

[nervositee]

Recruiting with his power WOULD be the perfect cover.....

 

then he just gets them to post their role pm on the QT and he can post it.....

 

if that is what is happening, then I tip my hat to Tommy for a play well done

 

we probably have some investigative roles though, so such a play would be risky and draw attention to him and all his recruits.

 

unfortunately we cannot know, for now.

Nope, and if Hally is right and there is four scum on Darthes train, there might not be a scum recruiting mechanic at all.

 

I'm not saying this or that for now.

 

But we have alot of strong players in this game. Tommy and Darthe is two of the strongest.

 

And Mynd is borderlining bastardly mod here. It's a very advanced game.

 

So assuming anything is static would be a highly hazardous, and highly foolish way to proceed here.

 

Especially since there is alot of scum on Darthes train (assuming hally and tina tells the truth) and alot of people are being very vocal about not touching Tommy or Darthe.

[Nolder]

4 scum to start with seems strange but not too strange.

 

But it gets stranger if you consider they were all on the same train.

 

Either Hallia or Tina is lying, or both, or I'm wrong and Mynd went in a very different direction with this game opting for a full sized mafia team and no recruiting.

 

I don't know anything about Ultron so does that make sense?

It was flavorful for Loki to recruit because iirc he did it in the movie to Hawkeye and had all sorts of manipulative powers besides.

I don't know Ultron's powers or allies. Would it make more sense for him to have a fully fledged posse already?

[Xthrax]

 

 

Lol Arsis/Nol showdown would be great

Nolderp has literally done nothing but advocate anti-town moves from his first post but he has 0 votes. I wouldn't want to mess with a scum jedi like that.

 

 

Disagree with the assessment but lol'd at the "scum jedi" thing.

 

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

I'm glad I made this offer tonight. I'm having fun rustling the hell out of people. Wombat and Nolder's reactions are just out of this world.

 

Hey, Tommy, when you've got two people who played in Mynd's first Avengers game telling you to slow your roll, maybe you should consider that you need to slow your roll.

 

It is true that you guys have experience from the previous game but don't you think Mynd would change his method? Otherwise, it would be predictable and easy for people.

And a big fat LOL at me ever being scum in a mafia game.

 

I always rand town on DM. It is known.

It is not. My game

 

Scum Team: Rand, Tina, Krak, Des, Vos, X/Hoof.  #gamesolved.

I agree with Tina but why the rest?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nolder is #LOCKCLEAR F#@$ING TOWN. The fact that Tommy can't see how LockClear Nolder is for being the only person to actually speak up about the circle jerk going on and remind the fearsome foursome that they aren't conf!town bothers me. Tommy, play better.

Why do you consider Nolder to be Locktown for that. And why do you consider Tommy and Tsuki to be in a jerk circle for trying to stop a lynch that was building up very fast. If Darthe was scum, his teammates would have definitely tried to stop it much quicker and actually would have got it delayed contrary to how fast it was building. It's seems like a town mislynch if it got upto L-3 before anyone trying to stop it.

 

A power that is kept entirely off thread and can only be taken at the word of a player? Nolder was the only person talking sense while the rest of them got carried away. If their powers are true, awesome, we can use them to win the game with a little coordination. But being skeptical is a townie reaction.

 

You will clearly see that the governor portion worked, and if it's someone else I can immediately post their full role PM if I wanted to. We already saw Darthe's so that's not.

.....................I never even thought about this.

 

Ok I feel pretty dumb now.

But I don't know why you're letting Darthe walk away from being tested.

After posting his role PM you'd think you'd jump at the chance to confirm him.

It's basically a free lie detection.

 

 

Really dude?  You never thought about it?  And how does the governor thing vet the other part of his claim at all?  This just feels like a fake way of backing off.  Am I wrong about you?

 

Why would scum have a governor role?

It may not vet other parts of the claim but it lends a lot of credit imo.

And yeah I just didn't even think about the fact that the role demonstrates itself by virtue of the fact that Darthe doesn't die while being lynched.

 

I'm not saying I trust Tommy 100% but it makes me feel a LOT better after the way he and Darthe were acting.

Makes me think maybe he is town afterall and just a dummy about what's clear and what's not.

 

Scum could have a governor. They could use it to stop the lynch on their teammates

 

Tommy is Leroy Jenkins.

LEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY JENKINS

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hooKVstzbz0

[Tsukibana]

 

Know what this is??

[Nolder]

A silly roleclaim?

[Nolder]

I swear it's like no one ever read this post.

[Darthe]

If scum can recruit, then Tommy can have a perfect win.

 

Troll the thread, ask to be recruited

Hard claim and confirm his role day 1

Throw dirt at everyone questioning him

Get recruited to scum while retaining his role.

Recruiting the people he clears

 

Scum win. Easy peasy because people dont have the stamina required to go against the Tommy/Darthe freightrain.

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[Nolder]

 

If scum can recruit, then Tommy can have a perfect win.

 

Troll the thread, ask to be recruited

Hard claim and confirm his role day 1

Throw dirt at everyone questioning him

Get recruited to scum while retaining his role.

Recruiting the people he clears

 

Scum win. Easy peasy because people dont have the stamina required to go against the Tommy/Darthe freightrain.

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I don't think he's fearmongering. I think he's airing a legitimate concern, one which I filled him with.

That's my fault and I'm now thinking I'm wrong about the recruiting aspect due to Tina/Hallia.

[nervositee]

Lol. For real?

 

Why are you so averse to attention?

 

If you feel like you and Tommy and whoever is totally clear and want to solve this game you would feel comfortable with everyone having a broad view of the game.

 

But instead of spending D1 looking for scum, D1 had instead been used to apparently steer attention away from you and Tommy for the rest of the game.

 

And we are not supposed to mind at all?

 

Move along, there's nothing to see here?

 

And when someone comes and say "guys, this is a complex game, we should look at all possibilities"

 

...it's fear mongering?

 

Something here doesn't add up.

[Blackhoof]

good point, if Hally is telling the truth a recruitment isn't likely

 

 

 

 

 

Know what this is??

 

4 peaks?

 

4 mountains?

 

windows.. mountains...?

[Blackhoof]

 

If scum can recruit, then Tommy can have a perfect win.

 

Troll the thread, ask to be recruited

Hard claim and confirm his role day 1

Throw dirt at everyone questioning him

Get recruited to scum while retaining his role.

Recruiting the people he clears

 

Scum win. Easy peasy because people dont have the stamina required to go against the Tommy/Darthe freightrain.

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legit? 

 

so anyone who dares speculate or question that you and Tommy might not be insta-cleared is fearmongering?

 

riiiight