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[Verbal32]

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[Cory Caboose]

Then Leelou was all like

 

 

Then Verbal was like

 

[Andrej]

That was kind of unexpected.

[Andrej]

So if I had to make a scum list it would look like this:

 

Hallia - AJ has a lot of good points here but I honestly feel like I can't justifiably vote her because of my track record. I don't know if I've ever been right about Hallia, at least nowhere near recently, and I've played a LOT of games with her. Do I think her posting and voting has looked very town? Nope not at all. But to be frank it almost never ever does for me. Really can't go anywhere when it comes to Hallia and I'd rather not get into that unless it is for consolidation. Been burned so many times by this little lady.

 

Pral - Still. Not. Convinced. I also think town would, by now, feel less bitter by the fact that I thought he was scum whereas Pral, IMO, still has eyes mostly for me. That persistence to me to the grave seems not only uncharacteristic but a bit much given he keeps saying he'll come back to casing me but hasn't yet. Not my strongest scum read but I don't have much sign he is town really. Every post since Day 1 has had an OMGUS tinge to it and he just  seems really upset about everyone who voted against him day 1 and isn't dead, and that's how he's forming his scum list basically. To me that isn't pro-town play.

 

Dice - I'm at a loss with Dice. There were a couple situations I was contemplating where I thought maybe he could be town but they seem to be narrowing and narrowing, as his posting is by no means helping him at all. Just weak and poor reasoning, and weak posts. Would like to see something of sustenance. But most importantly right now the self-target watch really irks me. Can't put my finger on it at all. Dice you need to get in here and look like you're playing to win and catch scum. Right now all we have from you is you're a sketchy watcher with poor reasoning and poorer posts.

 

I know there is another scum out there but right now I'm struggling. Again, between Des and Corey I think Des looks much more town but at the same time I do have a town lean on Cory. Changed player since the emo outbreak. Actually more grounded than he was before it too and seems to have town's interest in mind, except for when he always comes back to  Des. It's getting a bit old... But he has been sharing his views and notes and looks town to me as well. It's a shame Leelou has been busy lately because I would like to hear a lot more from her now.  With Nyn gone, her main interactions will probably be with Verbal and that will be very valuable from them both as they slip into the null read category for me. I don't know Vos but looks alright to me. I believe Thane.  I want to hear more from Tina. One of my solid town reads but has gone a little too quiet for my taste. BFG is town in my books at this point, although that switch from Pral being scum to town was a bit more... sudden than I'd have liked, but it is what is. 

 

Going to [v] Dice [/v]. Can move to my other scum reads but I think this is the place to start. Will be a bit scarcer from now till deadline

 

Scummy catch-up post or legit reads? I can't really decide - I don't agree with two of his scum reads but the other commentary looks alright to me for the most part.

 

It sounds like he's got Cory/Des/BFG/Thane/Tina as town

 

Vos as a town lean?

 

Null on Leelou/Verb

 

Scum on Hallia/Pral/Dice

 

You forgot me btw.

 

I'm suspicious of the people not voting me.  I'm an easy lynch, as I've made myself.  (No, I would not have really shot Tina, given the opportunity.)  I'd say the people pushing hardest on me today are quite safely town, (IE AJ.)  I'm most suspicious of RTE, as he is never afraid to vote me.  I'm normally the one person he latches onto.  Instead, he picks Dice over me, whose claim I do believe.  And also regarding Pral, this from D1 was pretty suspicious.

 

Also, inb4 one of the townies says "So long and thanks for all the fish" in his Bah post..

 

There, you all lost your one creative reference idea. 

 

It sounds, though a joke, like he is addressing townies as if he isn't one.  That on top of the stalled lynch today make me confident he's scum

 

Vote Pral

 

Just a few things I wanna touch on here.

 

1) Why would you list Tina as one of your targets if you didn't mean it? Again, it sort of plays into what I said earlier about how the post read like you just pulled the names out of a hat. Apparently you did.

 

2) You say that you are most suspicious of RTE atm, but you vote Pral instead. Why? I can somewhat see what you're saying about the quote of his you pulled - but why aren't you evaluating the rest of his posts to come to a better conclusion? A singular post from the joke phase of D1 isn't very solid evidence imo.

 

The problem is that it's unlikely that you'll 'see' a mafia role visiting you. A Role blocker visiting you is going to role block you so you won't get a result. Nor will you be able to share results of somebody killing you... so chances are high that the person you 'see' is going to be Town. This is why watching yourself makes sense from a mafia pov.

 

I agree with you here - but I also can see where Dice is coming from now that he's explained why he chose to watch himself. The point he makes about how he could've picked anyone to watch might or might not have told him anything - but seeing himself as a likely visit target he could potentially gain info on other PRs. Yes - it does seem to make more sense from a scum POV but I can see the potential for town!Dice to want to enlargen his personal information pool. That's kind of point to investigative roles, anyway.

 

 

and yet having that info can be good for town as it can help stop mislynches

 

it allows at least me more info to clear people with.

 

Obviously there is a flip side as shown with Des.

 

Disagree. Catching scum > catching town.

 

First, I don't know how it stops mislynches if we are not convinced that you are town in the first place.

Second, the number of scum is much less than the number of town. So, catching scum is always better because town can afford some mislynches.

 

Was the bold a typo? Idk - it just doesn't really add up to me. Obvously catching scum is better but I don't see how numbers really play into it - those mislynches that the larger number of townies allow usually lead to scum lynches later in the games.

 

 

Votecount 2.04

 

Thane: 1 - Despo

Hallia : 5 - AJ, Leelou, Thane, Vos, Dice

Dice: 1 - RTE

Pral: 1 - Hallia

Cory: 1 - Tina 

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

 

Not Voting: Lazy, Cory, Pralaya, BFG, Verbal

 

Deadline Thursday 8 pm GMT - Day 2 Deadline

 

Hallia's train, including herself, has most FOSed players of this game.  It might make sense to finish this lynch and use it to identify some top scum suspects.  If she flips town, there is absolutely more than 1 scum on this lynch at this moment.

 

Thoughts?

 

I would actually like to hear more of your thoughts on this first, since you brought it up. Obviously you've got Leelou as one. Who might the others be in your opinion?

 

Looking around claims it basically leaves me and Vos left. ...So?

 

Ok, so here is my train of thought, correct me if I'm wrong. 

 

Dice watches himself to see who visits him. If he is visited by you and nothing "bad happens", it would be safe to assume you were a town PR. If he was blocked or killed he would... assume it was scum (but unable to tell anyone). 

 

So, by watching himself, he searches for town PRs to clear.

 

This is assuming I haven't missed some mafia PR that won't give a direct effect(?). 

 

And I agree scum would try to kill a outed town PR regardless, but at least it creates a bit more confusion for them, and avoids fake-CCs. 

 

Bolded is incorrect, at least it in the event that nothing "bad happens" as you put it. Generally speaking it would be safe to assume that the person he saw visiting him was a town PR - there are other options as well. Trackers are sometimes scum aligned. The list from the OP also provides the chance of a Role Cop.

 

I tend to disagree Verb. I intentionally have been playing as scummy as I knew how, because I know how most people as scum tend to interact with me. They tend to let town make the initial cases and push me, wait til a couple of townies join in, and then consolidate, then when I flip they're like "oh, that's just how Hally normally plays"

 

So I'm not super suspicious of the people on me ATM, but I'm very suspicious of the people ignoring me/saying its null. And now also you.

 

Srsly?

 

I'm following Pral's line of thought here on this. I could see you trying to lay low as a PR (I've done so myself in the past) but here you've already claimed VT. You playing 'intentionally scummy' basically leaves you no legs to stand on when people case you. I'm really not sure if I'm buying this - bringing negative attention to yourself in this way is likely to really just pull the focus of townies as much as it would mafia looking to achieve a mislynch.

[Hayl3y]

Votecount 2.05
 
Thane: 1 - Despo
Hallia : 5 - AJ, Thane, Vos, Dice, Pray
Dice: 1 - RTE
Pral: 1 - Hallia
Cory: 1 - Tina 

RTE: 1 - Leelou

Leelou: 1 - Verbal

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch
 
Not Voting: Lazy, Cory, BFG

Deadline Thursday 8 pm GMT - Day 2 Deadline

 

[Cory Caboose]

That was kind of unexpected.

 

It felt good though

 

Felt right

 

Whatcha thinking bout Leelou?

[Cory Caboose]

Hallia and Leelou actually fit as scum together pretty darn well

 

Dice would spewed heavily town as well

 

Around 30 capture reads were

 

Town: Cory, Clov, Tina, Nyn, Hallia, Verb, Leelou

NTT: BFG, AJ

Null: Thane, RTE, Lazy

NTS: Despot, Pral, Mish

Scum: Dice

 

Her biggest points until then were her frustration with Des' casing (which is a towntell more than not, but shocker he's in NTS), a snipe or two @ RTE (who she is going after now, but placed null then despite the snipes coming beforehand)

 

Pral and Dice would be heavily spewed town if I'm looking ahead

 

I'm starting to feel my scumsenses coming alive

[Cory Caboose]

Just offhand I think Pral has looked better this phase. I remember him being very meditative and overtly understanding as scum in Twilight and much more stick-to-my-guns my way or the highway as town and as much as he was off Day 1, it was Day 1

 

I know the "kill me for information" thing can be played up by scum but it just seems legit in Pral's case

 

RTE is another person who I can't follow super well logically BUT gun to head i'd guess town

 

Me and Verb have had buttloads of misunderstandings and stupid disagreements this game and I am going to try and do a better read on him but I'm also willing to run up a flag and say I am fully willing to swallow my pride irt to my bullheadedness with him

 

Idk, that whole thing just ran a major chord with me

[Andrej]

 

That was kind of unexpected.

 

It felt good though

 

Felt right

 

Whatcha thinking bout Leelou?

 

I agree. If there's anyone who would be able to raise the red flag irt Leelou, it'd be him.

 

I could get behind it - still prefer the Hallia lynch though. Overall there's just a huge lack of logical explanation for her actions and her responses now are bordering AtE. Leelou voting her and now changing wagons would also fit with a scum/scum agenda of helping to dissipate the wagon toward EOD.

[Andrej]

I forgot that comment by Pral you mentioned btw - thanks for reminding me. It makes me a little leary. I generally don't get good vibes when people say stuff like 'check me tonight' because of what I feel are obvious reasons.

[Cory Caboose]

Leelou also gave a fencesitty townread of "I think Hallia is town" and when I asked her about it she said "IDK, if she doesn't post reads soon she could be scum" or something weird like that

[Cory Caboose]

I forgot that comment by Pral you mentioned btw - thanks for reminding me. It makes me a little leary. I generally don't get good vibes when people say stuff like 'check me tonight' because of what I feel are obvious reasons.

 

I think Pral is legit but do agree that "check me tonight" is an ugh strategy and is done more often by scum than not

 

But then there are people like Red 

[nervositee]

 

Ok, so here is my train of thought, correct me if I'm wrong. 

 

Dice watches himself to see who visits him. If he is visited by you and nothing "bad happens", it would be safe to assume you were a town PR. If he was blocked or killed he would... assume it was scum (but unable to tell anyone). 

 

So, by watching himself, he searches for town PRs to clear.

 

This is assuming I haven't missed some mafia PR that won't give a direct effect(?). 

 

And I agree scum would try to kill a outed town PR regardless, but at least it creates a bit more confusion for them, and avoids fake-CCs. 

 

Bolded is incorrect, at least it in the event that nothing "bad happens" as you put it. Generally speaking it would be safe to assume that the person he saw visiting him was a town PR - there are other options as well. Trackers are sometimes scum aligned. The list from the OP also provides the chance of a Role Cop.

 

 

Yup, already established the hole in my logic a few pages ago, thank you   

[Cory Caboose]

don't call it a comeback

 

[v]Leelou[/v]

[nervositee]

 

I forgot that comment by Pral you mentioned btw - thanks for reminding me. It makes me a little leary. I generally don't get good vibes when people say stuff like 'check me tonight' because of what I feel are obvious reasons.

 

I think Pral is legit but do agree that "check me tonight" is an ugh strategy and is done more often by scum than not

 

But then there are people like Red 

 

 

[Hallia]

o.O  I er, don't really feel emotional at all AJ.  If I were lynched, when I flipped everything I've been saying would be shown as truth, so y'know, if you want, go for it.   

 

 

If I had to go off of my theory and my gut, I'd say scum team of Cory, Pral, Verb, with the slight chance of AJ.  Pretty sure about AJ being town though.

 

Not feeling the best about Des either, with his actions and also the possibility listed above about him being scum tracker or a role cop.  

[Andrej]

 

I forgot that comment by Pral you mentioned btw - thanks for reminding me. It makes me a little leary. I generally don't get good vibes when people say stuff like 'check me tonight' because of what I feel are obvious reasons.

 

I think Pral is legit but do agree that "check me tonight" is an ugh strategy and is done more often by scum than not

 

But then there are people like Red 

 

Don't get me started.

 

[Leelou]

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You have been really off about me lately, but we can talk about this after the game. 

[Andrej]

o.O  I er, don't really feel emotional at all AJ.  If I were lynched, when I flipped everything I've been saying would be shown as truth, so y'know, if you want, go for it.   

 

If I had to go off of my theory and my gut, I'd say scum team of Cory, Pral, Verb, with the slight chance of AJ.  Pretty sure about AJ being town though.

 

Not feeling the best about Des either, with his actions and also the possibility listed above about him being scum tracker or a role cop.  

 

Explain these connections, if you can.

 

Also - Des is pretty much confirmed as a Tracker. Otherwise he wouldn't have known Dice watched himself. Doesn't make him a Town Tracker necessarily, but the role is confirmed.

[Verbal32]

That was kind of unexpected.

 

Thanks.  I was going for "unexpected", lol.  I had been waiting for her, to use a term you guys like, #werk to be shown, but it hasn't come.  My reread just made it more glaring to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Votecount 2.04

 

Thane: 1 - Despo

Hallia : 5 - AJ, Leelou, Thane, Vos, Dice

Dice: 1 - RTE

Pral: 1 - Hallia

Cory: 1 - Tina 

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

 

Not Voting: Lazy, Cory, Pralaya, BFG, Verbal

 

Deadline Thursday 8 pm GMT - Day 2 Deadline

 

Hallia's train, including herself, has most FOSed players of this game.  It might make sense to finish this lynch and use it to identify some top scum suspects.  If she flips town, there is absolutely more than 1 scum on this lynch at this moment.

 

Thoughts?

 

I would actually like to hear more of your thoughts on this first, since you brought it up. Obviously you've got Leelou as one. Who might the others be in your opinion?

 

This is totally dependent on Hallia's alignment, though.  If she flips scum, forget that and I think only Leelou is scum.  If she flips town, I'd add in Vos (just based on how he's interacting with me - not the best read I admit)

 

Hallia : 5 - AJ, Leelou, Thane, Vos, Dice

 

Totally town on Thane, Dice, and yourself.  If you are scum, I'd be shocked (like Cory said).  You've been, in my opinion, the most townie player since I harassed Cory about his townread of you.

 

If it ends up being true, we can consider my wrist slapped by Cory, lol.

 

 

 

 

Hallia and Leelou actually fit as scum together pretty darn well

 

Dice would spewed heavily town as well

 

Around 30 capture reads were

 

Town: Cory, Clov, Tina, Nyn, Hallia, Verb, Leelou

NTT: BFG, AJ

Null: Thane, RTE, Lazy

NTS: Despot, Pral, Mish

Scum: Dice

 

Her biggest points until then were her frustration with Des' casing (which is a towntell more than not, but shocker he's in NTS), a snipe or two @ RTE (who she is going after now, but placed null then despite the snipes coming beforehand)

 

Pral and Dice would be heavily spewed town if I'm looking ahead

 

I'm starting to feel my scumsenses coming alive

 

 

That's where I'm thinking as well.

 

Question:  why Pral "spewed" town?  I see Dice, but I think I'm missing the reason Pral would be.....

 

 

 

 

Just offhand I think Pral has looked better this phase. I remember him being very meditative and overtly understanding as scum in Twilight and much more stick-to-my-guns my way or the highway as town and as much as he was off Day 1, it was Day 1

 

I know the "kill me for information" thing can be played up by scum but it just seems legit in Pral's case

 

RTE is another person who I can't follow super well logically BUT gun to head i'd guess town

 

Me and Verb have had buttloads of misunderstandings and stupid disagreements this game and I am going to try and do a better read on him but I'm also willing to run up a flag and say I am fully willing to swallow my pride irt to my bullheadedness with him

 

Idk, that whole thing just ran a major chord with me

 

I think our super early style is extremely similar in theory, but very different in execution.  I've been thinking about this for a few days, actually.  It will cause us to butt heads a lot regardless of alignment.  This is always going to make me suspicious of you because I'll have a hard time reading you if you always open like this game (which I think you do).

 

I also admittedly put a sometimes unreasonable amount of weight behind a dead townies reads if I really agreed with them while they were alive based on the info available in the thread at that moment.  So I am largely suspicious of you still simply because I agreed so much with Clov.  That might be the wrong way to approach it, but YOLO.  ;-)

[Leelou]

 

That was kind of unexpected.

 

Thanks.  I was going for "unexpected", lol.  I had been waiting for her, to use a term you guys like, #werk to be shown, but it hasn't come.  My reread just made it more glaring to me.

 

Or I'm just brain dead and haven't had time yet. 

[Andrej]

I think we're in a pretty good spot, actually. Even with a good number of the claims on the table.

 

If Dice/Des/Thane are all town and telling the truth, the scum team is in a pretty big bind as far as where to go with their NK.

 

Dice has multiple options of which PR to watch during the Night, which highly raises the chances of him seeing the NK visit. Des could also potentially make money-money if he picks the right person to track. If any get blocked then we have a confirmed RBer. This leads to a lot of WIFOM for the scum team since they have to be careful who to use their NAs on now.

 

 

I love WIFOM

 

[BFG]

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89426-standard-hitchhikers-game-to-the-galaxy-day-two/?p=3259722

 

I'm actually leaning towards Dice being Town, his response to pressure has been consistent, explained well and feels genuine.

[Leelou]

But, for you, my dearest, I shall try to stay up after not sleeping all night, and work through all of the thread. 

[Cory Caboose]

o.O  I er, don't really feel emotional at all AJ.  If I were lynched, when I flipped everything I've been saying would be shown as truth, so y'know, if you want, go for it.   

 

 

If I had to go off of my theory and my gut, I'd say scum team of Cory, Pral, Verb, with the slight chance of AJ.  Pretty sure about AJ being town though.

 

Not feeling the best about Des either, with his actions and also the possibility listed above about him being scum tracker or a role cop.  

 

You have me with Pral and Verb???       

 

 

 

 

 

As for Des, um,

 

A) If he were scum tracker, he'd be pretty sure Dice is telling the truth about his claim, so why track him? Why not try to find other, potentially more important town PRs?

 

B) If he were scum role cop, why would he role cop a player that... roleclaimed?