[Basic] Real Genius Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN AND SURVIVOR WIN

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Nommy (1) - Basel

Amega (3) - Mish, Nommy, CrayLee

Mish (1) - Clov

 

 

Not Voting (8): Zanube, Tsuki, Amega, Yates, Leno, Dawthe, Hallia, Pral

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

No deadline has been set at this time.

Still waiting to check in: Zanube - Despo has offered to step in if the mentee does not arrive

[Songstress]

I am Milton - Vanilla Town. 

 

Where the ladies at?

 

 

Alas. Rules are rules, regardless of whether anyone reads them.

 

 

Yates - Milton, Vanilla Town, has been expelled from Pacific Tech.

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Nommy (1) - Basel

Amega (3) - Mish, Nommy, CrayLee

Mish (1) - Clov

 

 

Not Voting (8): Zanube, Tsuki, Amega, Leno, Dawthe, Hallia, Pral

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

No deadline has been set at this time.

Still waiting to check in: Zanube - Despo has offered to step in if the mentee does not arrive

[Kaylee]

What's IIOA?

 

 

 

Nyn

Also my question.

[Zanube]

Hey, guys checking in. I'll post regarding game if all goes well tomorrow

[Tommyrod]

Sigh

[Cory Caboose]

 

DAWN WHY ARE YOU IGNORING ME?

It's kind of hard to say much when Darthe doesn't let me. 

 

 

Yates :(

[Cory Caboose]

Kaylee doing good job ITT

Darthe come @ us

[Tommyrod]

Tbh I wanna lynch Darthe the most

[dawnflower8]

Why isn't Darthe letting you talk?

He doesn't want me to say anything stupid before I talk to him about it first.

 

Tell me about me -- you've seen me as scum for two games in a row now. Do I seem like my scummy self or am I playing differently?

You're definitely playing differently, but I'm not convinced you are scum or town. I want to think you are town since it would be a huge coincidence if you were scum again, but that's an awful reason to clear someone. So currently, I have no clue about you. 

[Cory Caboose]

Ignore Darthe, your posts have been better than him this game already

 

Don't worry about saying something stupid if it's something you mean and feel - I'm determined to read you correctly this game, but it's going to be very difficult if Darthe is telling you what to say

 

Darthe should be helping you assess your reads and giving you advice on how to flesh out your thought process, not censoring you

[Kaylee]

Agreed, you can't learn if you don't try and make your own reads and thoughts known.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

Why isn't Darthe letting you talk?

He doesn't want me to say anything stupid before I talk to him about it first.

 

Tell me about me -- you've seen me as scum for two games in a row now. Do I seem like my scummy self or am I playing differently?

You're definitely playing differently, but I'm not convinced you are scum or town. I want to think you are town since it would be a huge coincidence if you were scum again, but that's an awful reason to clear someone. So currently, I have no clue about you.

You understand why the red is troubling, right?

 

Last game it took you like 3 days to come up with a read, and you were dead wrong all game. If I think your partner is scummy and you're gonna be a negative contributor even if you are town, why should I let you live? Serious question.

[dawnflower8]

 

 

Why isn't Darthe letting you talk?

He doesn't want me to say anything stupid before I talk to him about it first.

 

Tell me about me -- you've seen me as scum for two games in a row now. Do I seem like my scummy self or am I playing differently?

You're definitely playing differently, but I'm not convinced you are scum or town. I want to think you are town since it would be a huge coincidence if you were scum again, but that's an awful reason to clear someone. So currently, I have no clue about you.

You understand why the red is troubling, right?

 

Last game it took you like 3 days to come up with a read, and you were dead wrong all game. If I think your partner is scummy and you're gonna be a negative contributor even if you are town, why should I let you live? Serious question.

 

I get why this seems scummy. So you think Darthe is trying to keep me quiet so I don't scumslip? 

[Tommyrod]

Yes, obviously. Why else would he care?

[Darthe]

Why aren't you letting Dawn post, Darthe?

Totally am dude.

 

Alright guys, we have three hydras and one mentored player which is LIKE a hydra. I think we should lynch one of the following:

 

Zanube [mentored by Despo]

CrayLee [Cory/Kaylee]

Dawthe [Dawn/Darthe]

Nommy [Nyn/Tommy]

 

Seriously. Hydras are more likely to be scum. Just look at Darthe's game. It's science.

Lol

 

 

DAWN WHY ARE YOU IGNORING ME?

It's kind of hard to say much when Darthe doesn't let me. 

 

I also have no reads on anyone yet.

 

WTF is this dawn?  I posted this and you have never ever responded or discussed anything:

 

Hello Dawn. We have a few rules for this one. I am not just hydraing with you, I'm teaching. Thus, don't rashly go and start posting all over the thread. Post your thoughts here and we will debate them.

[dawnflower8]

Yes, obviously. Why else would he care?

I don't really know. Because he wants to teach me, apparently, and doesn't want me to post all over the thread without thinking about it first. 

 

Darthe hasn't said much in this game, has he? (Well, neither have I, but that's normal for me on the first day)

[Tommyrod]

Darthe, get ALL your reads out now please.

[Nynaeve]

 

Why isn't Darthe letting you talk?

He doesn't want me to say anything stupid before I talk to him about it first.

 

For you <3

 

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Songstress]

 

 

Why isn't Darthe letting you talk?

He doesn't want me to say anything stupid before I talk to him about it first.

 

For you <3

 

 

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

 

 I think I love it.

[Darthe]

Seems fair.

 

Zanube being gone is terrible considering how active his mentor would be.

Clov looks slight town.

CrayJay is slight town (I have issue with Kaylee.  My main tell on her is that as scum she safely always summates instead of giving her impressions, aka IIOA which is information instead of analysis)

Tsuki? no friggin clue

Amega - slight scum, mainly for the taunting post he made at you and for his really spastic manner of overstating everything.  The reason this is slight is because I recently mentored him and watched him do this as town, albeit in a slightly more concise manner.

Lenlo? hasn't been around.  starting to see a trend.  His one significant post was meh.

Hally I can't recall either.  I feel like she has posted but hasn't contributed.  Prob town since that is her MO but I am not willing to clear her yet.

Laya looks a bit better, I recall him contributing meaningfully.  Gut impression, mind you.  I've not actually went back through

Nommy I like this game.  Pressured you right off the bat to see if I could get an atypical opening from you and I got what I wanted from it.  

Mish I can't really recall tbh

Basel I am a fan of here.  His posts, when made, look like town basel based on my quite good meta of him.  Unfortunately that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes good scumhunting.

[Nynaeve]

Even though you've indirectly answered Tommy right now... I've asked you twice why you put Clov on your town list early on and you ignored me both times.

 

What I mean to say is....

 

YOU SMELL!

 

 

 

Nyn

[Tommyrod]

Darthe how do you not recall Mish?

[Nynaeve]

Amnesia?

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Lenlo]

Alright done with classes for today, yay for professors canceling! Also yay for after weekend legit play!

 

 

 

why are you getting so defensive about messing up bro? must have hit a nerve. I never said i soul read or solved the game, it's called constructive criticism. I love it when it's constructive, i guess you dont. 

 

Btw didn't you die day 2 or 3 with absolutely no reads on him? 

 

Also you misunderstood what i meant.. You dont need to distance your communication with him, just your views and opinions on him to make your reads clearer for both yourself and the rest of town

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Otherwise i can not use your reads if they are clouded by your affection and admiration of him as a player. sorry but its true.

Bold: I agree with Mish here, this reads less like constructive/towny play and more as attempting to rile someone up, get them annoyed so they make mistakes that can be capitalized on to push a lynch. Especially cause later on I believe someone says to not say that at them and immediately after he goes "Must have hit a nerve" again as if to just mess with them

 

Blue: This just gives me a bad feeling. Its like its another shot.

 

All in all I dun like this.

 

 

 

LEN U SCUM?

MAYBE. ARE U   Y/N?
 
WITH LOVE, LEN

So is this a subtle accidental slip by Len that he might not be town?

 

Basel hasnt played with me for awhile, but I still dont like this push. It wasnt subtle at all, I kinda caps locked it, and it was obv a joke.

 

##Unvote
##Vote Amega

Explain plox?

 

I barely explained; I don't like his phrasing or what he's chosen to comment on thus far. He reminds me of when we were scum together in the red wedding game. I don't really have a stronger scum read than him right now, so here we are.

Thank you. Im honestly not sure how to read you. I thought you were scum when you were town, I thought you were town when you were scum, I just cant seem to get you right. Maybe I should just take whatever I get and flip it. That might work.

 

##Unvote

##Vote Mish

Classic "discuss one person, vote another" scum strat.

Disagree. She only talked about Amega in that post and then she voted Amega. This looks like a missrep of her only post in the game at that point.

 

 

Cory just hasn't set off any bad vibes for me yet (he usually does with opens in games) which is good enough for me for now.  Basel and I seem to be mindmelding.  He never posts a ton but his points are pretty salient here.  I'll take it D1.

 

 

So, I am trying to get inside your head and something does not add up here.

 

I am not "setting off bad vibes", so you have a slight town lean on me. Okay.

 

Here's the issue: I don't think I have ever been Mafia in a game with you. Perhaps it's my GOAT townranding, but as far as I can remember we've played some 5-6 games and I have been town in every one. Most notably in Twilight, you made a habit of getting @ me hard as town-town because of "bad vibes", but at some point in all of those games I got NKed by the Mafia and flipped town, soooooooo

So, the logical attachment here should be: Town!Cory gives me bad vibes, shouldn't it? Or at least that I am not playing the way you would EXPECT me to play as town, your "instincts" on my alignment aside.

 

The problem with all this is because of my playing style and because I have some pretty reliable meta tells, I am going to be a universal townread by EOD, so I'm generally not someone smart to FoS as Mafia. I don't believe your townread on me is genuine and I see a lot of reasons you'd want to have a townread on me as Mafia.

 

tl;dr: I think Tommy caught you and you are now trying to win me over.

 

I like this reasoning by Cory. I have never seen how Cory is like as scum and I dont think Darthe has either, but if he gives off "bad vibes" as town wouldnt it make sense for him to not give off bad vibes as scum? So I dont get how Darthe doesnt have atleast a light scum read on Cory. He responds saying 

 

Yeah, I could see you thinking that.  I considered that you might be scum since I usually get bad mojo from you as town/town but I am not one to mistrust my own gut.  Would you care to argue that I should be sticking to a method of play that didn't work in the past few games?  Or is your argument here that because I am playing differently I am scum?  

and while it looks good on the surface, at the end that little comment about playing different because he is scum looks like prep to misrep/argue against that argument if it pops up. All in all not liking you friend.

 

 

then again the last time I thought you were making sense was VS Hunt III, but you got LOLganAura'd

 

Can't we just make this an easy world where I can read Smart!Darthe as mafia and Full!Darthe as town? Can't you make ANYTHING EASY

 

Nope.  Multifaceted like that.  However, I am obviously town here.  Willing to stick my neck out, taking on Tommy early, checking everyone for BS.  

 

Dont like this. I dont like it when people extol their own virtues of "Im town cause I did this." Its on the same level as people who say "When im scum I do this!" or "Town me always does this.". Its like instead of just saying "Im town." he feels the need to explain why hes town, which generally people shouldnt need to do imo.

 

#Vote Misheru

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I am Milton - Vanilla Town. 

 

Where the ladies at?

R.I.P. Yates. You died to young.

 

Kaylee is back to doing that IIOA thing she does as scum.

Whats IIOA and why is that a scumtell for her?

 

 

Why isn't Darthe letting you talk?

He doesn't want me to say anything stupid before I talk to him about it first.

 

 

Really? Thats not good. I know he says its about teaching, but in my experience one of the best ways to learn is through mistakes. Darthe denying you that or telling you not to do "stupid things" seems like hes more concerned with survival than anything else.

 

 

Yes, obviously. Why else would he care?

I don't really know. Because he wants to teach me, apparently, and doesn't want me to post all over the thread without thinking about it first. 

 

Darthe hasn't said much in this game, has he? (Well, neither have I, but that's normal for me on the first day)

 

Thinking is overrated. I should know, I rarely think.