[Advanced] Red Wedding Mafia - Post Game, MakersMark

[Andrej]

I don't think that was hammer btw. Crayjay is still voting Verbalina unless Cory changed it to Dawn earlier? I don't remember.

 

##unvote

 

We still have nearly 48 hours people, why the rush? Find it funny that the hammer is coming down quickly now that the BG is declared VLA.

 

Len looks pretty sketchballs for that almost hammer though. Especially how he is tying Mynd to Dawn pre-flip.

[Lenlo]

I don't think that was hammer btw. Crayjay is still voting Verbalina unless Cory changed it to Dawn earlier? I don't remember.

 

##unvote

 

We still have nearly 48 hours people, why the rush? Find it funny that the hammer is coming down quickly now that the BG is declared VLA.

 

Len looks pretty sketchballs for that almost hammer though. Especially how he is tying Mynd to Dawn pre-flip.

Huh. Thought it was the hammer. Im disappointed now. 

 

And I think Dawn is scum regardless of Mynds flip soooooo... Yeah. Not really tying anything, making banter.

[_CLOUD]

 

 

@AJ: I never said that I was against a Mynd CFD; I only said that I was feeling more confident with my scum read on Red and that I could switch to Mynd if needed. Do you seriously blame me for not switching to him when there were two previous CFD's on him that both resulted in a train of two votes and Red was playing so incredibly scummy?

Yes. Why wasn't Red your target for today then if you found her so incredibly scummy? What about her changed your view from the EOD1 to the start of today where you voted Mynd and then changed to Jack?

Because, as I have already explained, her rolexclaim can now be tested on Yates. I advise you to actually read my posts the next time you decide to case me. I'm pretty sure that was still the hammer btw. You should do a VC. I'm going to bed.

[Red2111]

not even close to being caught up but

 

wait Yates is claiming to be the Vig?  why didn't he shoot me last night then, since he's so sure of me being scum?

 

 

@ Cloud - right ... because things like RBer's, jailers and redirectors just dont exists.......  *smh*

[Hallia]

As far as I know bgs can't be blocked

[Red2111]

Halia - http://www.wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bodyguard  its up to the mod, but having me unblockable/unstrongarmable or not being able to re-direct who i target or commuted or jailed seems a bit OP'd imo 

[Cory Caboose]

Hallia - Cloud. gun to head. Scum or town?

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count:

Mynd (8/9): NyanCat, Jack, X, Tommy, Megaloud, Halleeloujah, Verbalina, Len

Jack (2/9): Yates, Dawn

 

Not Voting (6/16):

Krak, Dice, Red, CrayJay, Zanube, Mynd

 

 

 

41 hours til Deadline

[Cory Caboose]

Hallia - Cloud. to head. Scum or town?

 

sorry fixed

[dicetosser1]

20 pages per night?? What you wanna make me improve my speed reading even more??  im already at 1400 for crying out loud!  

 

ok so im on 104 and wanted to get some stuff out before i forget and before i start working and get busy

 

 

It's kinda boring when I get cleared by anyone and everyone.

I have no opinion of Dice. Let it be known.

That means he's probably >rand to be scum if I can't remember his posting. Let it be known.

 

 

that means you are >>>rand to be wrong.

 

 

 

 

Jotting them in our hydra qt, silly Yates. We work together on all things

 
Sometimes I don't think people get we are a hydra.

 

Sometimes people don't get vocabulary jokes.

"Jot - To write down briefly or hastily."

 

 Jots = Jak of the Shadows. A thread in the Band of the Red Hand where we write the Band type songs/poems.

 

 

Now business.

 

Megaloud.  Will be quite happy to vote these two. Havent had a chance to find what it was that stuck out to me about amega way back in my catchup but Cloud is screaming mafia at me today.

 

Jack. I think Jack is town but I am concerned anout his post where he calls Cloud and YATES deep cover wolfs. Yates is probably the most universially accepted town in this game atm.

 

quick note at red  my unvote was in the middle of a 70 page catchup. gimme a break.

 

running out of  time  will try and catch up and post more thoughts later but if it was like yesterday that may be wishful thinking

[Cory Caboose]

I remember something off the top of my head where Verbal (??) FoSed Lenlo and Lenlo responded by saying he'd do much more of he "finally drew scum" or something.

I can't find it and I don't believe I made it up. Can anyone help me here?

[Lenlo]

I remember something off the top of my head where Verbal (??) FoSed Lenlo and Lenlo responded by saying he'd do much more of he "finally drew scum" or something.

 

I can't find it and I don't believe I made it up. Can anyone help me here?

I dunno if it was verbal and I dunno if that's exactly what I said, but someone did fos me and I did respond saying something like "If I was scum I'd be doing so much more" or something like that so no you did make it up.

[Andrej]

FTR, I very much like Mynd as the lynch for today but I think we should hold the hammer for another 24 hours or so to allow people more time to catch up and get their thoughts in the open. No need to hurry the EOD, it only helps mafia.

[Cory Caboose]

 

I remember something off the top of my head where Verbal (??) FoSed Lenlo and Lenlo responded by saying he'd do much more of he "finally drew scum" or something.

 

I can't find it and I don't believe I made it up. Can anyone help me here?

I dunno if it was verbal and I dunno if that's exactly what I said, but someone did fos me and I did respond saying something like "If I was scum I'd be doing so much more" or something like that so no you did make it up.

 

 

Can you do me a big favor and find that post, quote it, and under it also quote this post with applied bolds:

 

 

 

You're weird, Lenlo. It makes you difficult to read.

 

Can you describe the difference between your town and scum games?

Weird is good right?

 

Honestly I dunno. I try to always play the same way so that meta cant be used against me when im scum. No matter my alignment I try to make jokes and I try to make cases. As scum cases are easier to make though because I dont have to worry about actually finding scum, I just have to make people/posts look more scummy than me. I also havnt gotten a scum game in a looooooong time which makes me sad, as I love being scum and honestly think im better at it.

 

You should probably ask others for a second/third opinion though as they can view it from the outside where its much easier.

 

 

After that you can finish it with the following gif:

 

 

 

THANK YOU <3

[Andrej]

lol

[Red2111]

up to page 89, will try to get on tonight before bed.

 

right now, before the quotes i have these notes

 

 

- i dont buy Yate's claim.  why shoot Nol over me?  i was top of your scum list and you were so argo over me not being lynched.  this is the main reason i dont buy the claim.

 

- town lean on Mynd.  Mynd is being Mynd, and his train built with little resistance and no one tryign to say "hey look over here"  all the focus was on him (all be it some of his points were meh to me) but it feels like the Mishtress and Red train did D1.  add in the speed no info lynch from D1 and i'm getting a town feel from him.

 

- if we're gonna policy lynch can it be Z-dude.  the guy is like non existance past the point of even being a lurker.

 

- wondering why everyone keeps saying "i could lynch Krak or Dawn" yet theri not the lead wagons.   when everyone agrees a perosn is scum, but a wagon on them never builds, my gut flags them as scum.  really guys, we should either be putting up or shutting up now with Krak and Dawn.

 

- Verb and Jacks quietness is givign me the eeby jeeby's

 

 

 

 

 

should be caught up after today.

 

 

on page 30, seem to recall people claiming around lynch time that Red's defense gets better but I'm not seeing it yet.

 

 

Also this while I'm on the topic:

 

 

 

Who are you going to vote for?

 

currently i'm voting for you.  it interesting seeing how AJ came to your defense and others latchign onto his assumption that my vote was a joke.  its also fun watchign you squirm with a single vote on you. 

 

i may just leave it for shits and grins

 

Not trying to tunnel buuuuuuuuuut you heavily imply that your vote on Tom is suprsrs but then why would you add that last part?  If it's a solid scum read and vote then it makes no sense for you to a) vote elsewhere, and b) undercut your suprsrs vote for shits and grins.

 

 

 

 

I know everybody might be way past this but it stuck out to me.

 

 

peopel are past it, yet you bring it back up .... 

 

ping #300 from you this game.

 

 

 

 

I disagree entirely, on DesBat and my thoughts on hydras. The first is pointless to debate without more information and the second doesn't belong to be debated in this game. If you decide you are only going to analyze ~7 players because LOL, let's do that... Okay. have fun.

##Vote Krak feels right

 

Tommy suggested that Desbat's no-coroner implies a janitor.  I guess there is more to look at than just PAFO.  By your rationale, it is pointless to debate who is scum without more information.  We can certainly try to look at it.  Tommy did. 

 

Again, I am not saying anything about ignoring the rest of the players.  A very effective scum-hunting strategy is to isolate a group of players.  This is what I am doing.  I am looking at the hydras because of their extra benefit to the scum team.

 

 

 

Do you at least agree that a hydra in a mafia slot gives the mafia an extra advantage in the game thread?

 

 

they give he scum the same adavantage the town aligned hydra give the town *points at Desbat*  unless you want to claim having those two on our side is a handicap to us; in which case i'd yall bullshanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Think Cory is right about the Nol shot. I'm surprised Nolder was a VT, I figured he was polarized to scum or cop.

DesBat no coroner implies a janitor. That means future claimfest becomes even more muddied.

 

How does anyone not read "sticking his nose where it didn't belong" as the mafia NK?

 

I'm probably of the same mind as Cory, I don't care much about flavor, claims, etc. Des was playing pro-town and Nolder was not. That means Des is a scum kill and Nolder is a vig kill 99% of the time. The rest just gets in the way.

 

 

 

 

This assumption only works if you read DesBat's actions as pro-town.  I don't see how DesBat was townie enough to be targeted.  There are far more town-seeming players to target than DesBat. 

 

My take is that the mafia targeted Nolder based on DesBat's scum list.  Guess who is second on that list?  Me.  I'll bet Desbat was part of the scum team, took out Nolder counting on a speed lynch on myself on D2. 

 

 

because Despo and Womby were basically becomming the defacto town leaders over N2.  everyone was taking their lead, including myself. 

 

Nol was also setting himself up to be the D2 lynch, and a speed lynch at that barign a finders reveal.

 

why would the scum NK the D2 speed lynch when they knew he was town?  why waste a NK like that and an ability to WIFOM the entire town.

 

and if Desbat was scum, and they NK'd him and hid the body ...  why NK a scummate that was being set up as Lock Clear on almost everyones lists and was becomming the town leader? 

 

neither one makes sense Mynd.

 

 

 

Why Nolder?  Interesting that Wombat posted Nolder as #1 probably scum and #2 was me.   Was this the mafia NK or was it a VIG kill?

Nolder was a vig kill. I shot him. Nolder shot saved us the rest of this day phase. Next time I'll hit scum. Come at me bro.

Desbat was obviously mafia kill. Unless, of course, you think the mafia janitor correctly guessed at a vig kill on a universal Town read?

 

 

to the blue only - i dont buy it.  if you were vig, given your current feelings about me, you'd have killed me over Nol. 

 

i dont buy your claim at all. 

 

 

 

You all are asking for us to assume the following:
 
1) Yates claim to be a VIG (after claiming VT) is truth.  Its likely because few would contest a VIG claim however that is what makes it easy for scum to fake claim.
2)  Desbat was town.  We don't know this. 
3) There is a janitor.

1. Let's say I'm scum fake claiming vig. How does tonight work out for me? Oh right. The REAL vig shoots me in the face. Maybe not such a great fake claim for scum after all, is it? You know who fakeclaims vig? SK. That's it. Does that look like an SK kill to you?
2. Desbat was Town. We *do* know this. Unless you think mafia killed one of their own for... lulz?
3. There *is* a janitor. That's the only game mechanic that results in a zero info flip.

I'm about three seconds away from advocating a policy lynch on you because now your posts are anti-Town distractions. Or, I can just shoot you tonight. Your call. Either way, I'll be fine. I'm *certain* Red will be protecting me tonight to prove she's Town, right?

 

 

dont be so certain.  and my hair stands on end for you trying to draw my protection like this.  i'll have none of it and be about as far away from you as i can get tyvm.

 

as for why scum woudl fake claim a vig.  to get the real vig to CC.  scum would count it a win to sacrifice one of their own if they could isolate the real vig or even get them lynched.

[Cory Caboose]

Red: in one word, No.

 

Thane would not give up his high villager equity to force the real vig to claim.

 

Thane shot Nolder because it was the best shot last night. Because he's not terrible and did not let his emotions dictate his shot as unbearable as you were yesterday.

This is Mafia, not Lynch/Shoot The Most Annoying Villager.

[Andrej]

Red - you answered your own question as to why Yates shot Nol over you when you talk about him being the D2 speed lynch.

 

Seriously just...

 

[Cory Caboose]

AJ, can I hammer just so we can cut off Red?

 

CAN I!?!?!

[Lenlo]

Are, I'll do that for you Cory. Later. After lab.

[Cory Caboose]

Lenlo, regardless of your alignment you're my favorite

 

Besides AJ

And Tommy and Des

And our hydraprom dates

[Lenlo]

Lenlo, regardless of your alignment you're my favorite

 

Besides AJ

And Tommy and Des

And our hydraprom dates

Oh I see. So I'm...6th on your list? Can't say I'm not disappointed. Guess I'll just have to... Eliminate the competition. O.o

[Cory Caboose]

Lenlo, regardless of your alignment you're my favorite

 

Besides AJ

 

And Tommy and Des

 

And our hydraprom dates

 

Obviously Clovdyx is my soulmate so he's untouchable

[Andrej]

 

 

@AJ: I never said that I was against a Mynd CFD; I only said that I was feeling more confident with my scum read on Red and that I could switch to Mynd if needed. Do you seriously blame me for not switching to him when there were two previous CFD's on him that both resulted in a train of two votes and Red was playing so incredibly scummy?

Yes. Why wasn't Red your target for today then if you found her so incredibly scummy? What about her changed your view from the EOD1 to the start of today where you voted Mynd and then changed to Jack?

Because, as I have already explained, her rolexclaim can now be tested on Yates. I advise you to actually read my posts the next time you decide to case me. I'm pretty sure that was still the hammer btw. You should do a VC. I'm going to bed.

 

True, you did say this. Easily justified.

 

Honest question: Do you think I'm scum?

[Tommyrod]

 

 

##Unvote Y

##Vote X

 

like dis

 

You just voted Xthrax D:

 

You know it gets real confusing and annoying for me when someone does- 'player X and Player Y or just X and Y'. For a moment I get confused and think what are they talking about me? Especially once in a game when I didn't even say hello yet. Or here in this case why is Nolder voting me.

 

Really guys, pick another variable-like maybe A or B or C

 

 

 

Are voting Mynd? 'Cause he's someone I was planning to look at Day 2 due all that talk of hydra's essentially going offroad.

 

 

mynd has 2 votes with Leelou's

 

 

Anyway-Deadline is up.

 

I checked with wombat's last unofficial VC. Mynd had just Crayjay's vote and with Leelou's-that's 2. Mish had 9 with Dawn's vote.

 

 

I'd be ok with a 3 way tie between Red, Mish/Tress, and Mynd. For the lulz if nothing else.

 

##Unvote

##Vote Mynd

 

 

We need Darthe here. 

 

Darthe, Darthe are you here?

 

*Opens up all doors leaving no stone unturned*

 

 

 

I'd be ok with a 3 way tie between Red, Mish/Tress, and Mynd. For the lulz if nothing else.

 

##Unvote

##Vote Mynd

 

Don't that might happen. Even if your unvote is counted, Mish still is at 8 votes, Red 6 and Mynd 3

 

 

 

Jumping around the thread. Let's say Mynd flips scum today. Does X seem a little... worried about Mynd getting votes suddenly at EOD1?