[Advanced] Red Wedding Mafia - Post Game, MakersMark

[Yates]

Yeah.  I'm just gonna do this for a while:

 

##Vote: Jack_D

 

FTR -  I'm still Tytos Blackwood.

[Sedai]

Yeah. I'm just gonna do this for a while:

 

##Vote: Jack_D

 

FTR - I'm still Tytos Blackwood.

Why?

[dawnflower8]

Just got caught up on the thread. Sorry I've missed so much. I spent the entire day skiing.

 

 

 

This thread is lacking in censored erotic fanfiction.

 

 

 

Being one of the daughters of Walder Frey wasn't the best thing in the world. Nothing was to be expected of you and you were just made to bear the sons of anyone that would marry you. I was apparently different from all the daughters Walder Frey had fathered through his long lifetime. My mother was a beautiful woman from the North and had ventured down to the Twins with her father a trader, when my father noticed her over by the trading cart. He seduced her with false dreams and she gave herself to him and then ended up being pregnant with me. He married her and she became one of his many wives.She was a beauty from the North; red hair and green eyes. She had inherited them from her mother and they had been passed down to me. I was one of the only daughters that Walder fathered that didn't have any resemblance to him what-so-ever. I had good looks and was one of the prettiest Frey girls ever to be born. Unfortunately for me my beauty was now a curse. I was the daughter of Walder Frey that had to marry Robb Stark. I was the only one deemed beautiful enough or 'pretty' enough to even be considered by Lady Stark. 

 

...

 

I was married, I was now Lady Eibhleann Stark, wife to Robb Stark; King of the North. I was now the Queen of the North. An impossible thought yet it was true. Robb took me back to his tent; our tent, when we arrived inside with the flap dropping to a close he pulled me in for a long passionate kiss; a kiss we had never shared like that. As Robb kissed me he walked towards the bed as he did so, his hands running up and down my back as we moved. His hands were fiddling with the laces on the back of my dress and it was soon hanging off my shoulders waiting for my arms to slide out and allow the dress to fall to the ground. "Take your arms out." Robb mumbled as his lips travelled down my neck. I chuckled as he did so, not used to the feeling. "You are so bossy." I sighed enjoying the feel if his lips on unfamiliar skin. This was all new to me, but Robb acted like he had done this before. "Have you done this before?" I was curious to find out his answer; hoping it was a no. "You'll be my first and I'll be yours, now shut up and take off your dress." He answered bringing his hands up to help remove the dress from hanging on my shoulders. "My grace, are you trying to get me naked?" I teased shaking as the cool air hit my body which was dressed in my thin sift. "I am I want to make you mine." He moaned as he reached the area of my skin that the slip covered. He lifted me in his arms and gently placed me in the middle of the bed. At this I started to feel panic shot through me. I was told to expect pain, something I've never really felt physically. Before Robb joined me on the bed he removed his shirt and boots, leaving him in only his breeches before he climbed on the bed, hovering over me.He kissed me gently before reaching up to push my hair out of my eyes as it fell from my braid. His blue eyes connected with my green ones before speaking the words that made my heart flutter. "I'm falling deeply in love with you Eibhleann Stark." He declared smiling as he watched my eyes swim with tears. "I'm falling deeply in love with you Robb Stark." I whispered back just before he kissed me. A few seconds into the kiss, Robb's hands made their way down to the edge of my slip and started to slide it up my body and over my head. Once the slip was over my head he looked down at my now naked body and just looked. I could feel myself blushing as he just stared with glazed eyes. "Robb, don't." I protested covering my eyes with my hands. I could feel his eyes still on me and the burn in my cheeks grew hotter, and then I felt his hands capture mine. "You're beautiful Evie, don't hide." He claimed running his hand down my cheek before placing a kiss on my forehead. His hands disappeared and I felt them gently brushing  as he tried to loosen the laces on his breeches. A funny feeling squeezed a knot in my stomach and I felt a tingling sensation in . Robb was bringing these feelings out in me, feelings I've never felt. He had managed to release himself from his breeches and I could feel his  pressing into my thigh. He felt big to me and I can recall that my septa's always said ; that thought made me cringe. Robb's fingers lightly traced the soft skin on the tops of my  as he kissed me passionately again. As he kissed me he brought his fingers higher until the traced my . At the first touch I jumped, but relaxed as the tingling sensation grew in my belly again. Robb continued this for a few minutes and the knots in my belly started to get tighter. As if he sensed this Robb pulled away filling his lungs with air before kissing lightly and looking it my eyes. "Are you ready?" He panted giving me a soft look that made my limbs melt like when the cooks had fat cooking. I nodded knowing I wouldn't be able to speak and Robb took my answer as consent. He leaned down to kiss me as he  and his lips muffled my cry. This did hurt and I squeezed my eyes shut to prevent the tears from falling. Robb stilled  and waited until he felt me relax before he moved again. Robb's  grew as our love making progressed and the tight knot in my belly unwound itself and I gasped at the tingles that spread across  and ended in my toes. Robb seemed to feel the same as me as he froze and dropped his head on my chest with a grunt. "I love you Evie." He sighed into my chest with a kiss before his breathing slowed down. "I love you to Robb." I replied running a hand in his curls before closing my eyes. I woke to Robb kissing my bare . I smiled as I buried my head in the pillow wanting to sleep longer than I had. I was still tired from the night's activities. We had consummated the marriage and were now bound to one another until death.

 

 

 

Im liking this new trend. Best one since "Hence ->  "

 

Indeed. I hope Dawn doesn't mind though. She might feel like the butt of a mean joke or something at this point.

 

I don't mind. I actually think it's pretty funny.

 

 

7 while pages about spelling and grammar? Seriously?

Why did I even bother reading that?

Well, I'm here now, finally.

Dawn, why are you so ANGRY?

 

I don't know. Am I not allowed to be?

[Darthe]

Hello!

 

I was going to do a vote count but... not much use atm.

[Sedai]

Can someone give me a list of characters claimed and flipped with the whole game roster?

[Andrej]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was about to complain about catching up on 12 pages, and then I skimmed the last page and looks like it's still joking. Awesome. That means I can post this:

 

 

 

 

##unvote

 

##Vote Misheru

 

Somebody going out of their way to post about how the last page looks like still joking is obviously mafia.  Haven't we all seen enough of when players take the time to explain their post even when not voting?  Mish has a guilty conscience.  Mafia.

 

Greetings Mynd

 

I like this post.

 

 

 

Greetings to all you pitiful smallfolk.

Btw guys, WINTER IS COMING

 

How come everyone but Red ignored this? Trying to hard to seem town much.

 

##Vote X

 

Are you sure you want flirting at this particular wedding Tommy? Westeros has a pretty bad rating for customer satisfaction as a wedding venue.

 

I dunno, I think alot of folk were pretty darn happy after the purple wedding.

 

AAAAAAND now, with the slightest bit of pressure from two players, she immediately tries to distract and get everyone focused on another.

 

Hey Red, guess what?  Misheru thinks you and I are pressuring her now.    We are being too aggressive.  We should calm down.  

 

 

Especially like the bolded bit.

 

 

 

Greetings to all you pitiful smallfolk.

Btw guys, WINTER IS COMING

 

How come everyone but Red ignored this? Trying to hard to seem town much.

 

##Vote X

Looks null to me.

 

Yup.

 

##UNVOTE 

 

##VOTE: Tommy

 

 

i dislike the goat reference.  The Goat is a horrible twit that needs to die.

 

I dislike the timing of this vote after Mynd comes down so hard on Mish. I dislike the jokey reasoning behind it even more.

 

 

 

 

I'll spell it out for you Mynd.

 

I haven't checked the game all day. Decided to catch up before going to bed. Saw it had twelve pages, wasn't exactly looking forward to going through that while tired. Jumped to the last page to check the mood of thread. Was happy it was still jokes, no need for serious brain activity before bedtime. Decided to post picture I just saw in my tmblr feed. Capiche?

 

 

And it's just Mish, or Mistress if you prefer

 

Got it.

 

 

 

I seem to remember this from somewhere recently

 

 

 

I'll spell it out for you Mynd.

 

I haven't checked the game all day. Decided to catch up before going to bed. Saw it had twelve pages, wasn't exactly looking forward to going through that while tired. Jumped to the last page to check the mood of thread. Was happy it was still jokes, no need for serious brain activity before bedtime. Decided to post picture I just saw in my tmblr feed. Capiche?

 

 

And it's just Mish, or Mistress if you prefer

 

So you see the thread is still jovial, seem happy by that. Make an over explanatory post about joining in on the jokes, get called out on your post, wade through the thread trying to make it serious and now complaining about being called out for making a joke post. Is that right? 

 

Nice post from Leroy. Would've liked to see a vote to follow up with the pressure, but meh.

 

 

 

I'll spell it out for you Mynd.

 

I haven't checked the game all day. Decided to catch up before going to bed. Saw it had twelve pages, wasn't exactly looking forward to going through that while tired. Jumped to the last page to check the mood of thread. Was happy it was still jokes, no need for serious brain activity before bedtime. Decided to post picture I just saw in my tmblr feed. Capiche?

 

 

And it's just Mish, or Mistress if you prefer

 

so let me get this striaght.

 

you didn't do the blue, instead only doign the green and assumed the red because of one page

 

 

Another strangely interesting post here from Red. Adds to the pressure on Mish, goes as far as to make a meme calling her mafia, but still has her vote on Tommy for some weird reason.

 

I'm not going to lie and say that 80% of what me and AJ have talked about in hydrachat isn't bewbs

 

This is true.

 

 

I'm not going to lie and say that 80% of what me and AJ have talked about in hydrachat isn't bewbs

 

Where is he 

 

You rang? Was on daddy duty all day, but for now I am here.

 

Red/Mish compete go?

 

I'm in.

 

##vote Red

 

 

 

 

AJ: this is a post of yours that caught my eye because you liked the #work Mynd was doing at the time. Would you still agree with your sentiments in this post or do you agree with me that, in retrospect, Mynd may have just been hammering the largest nail of the time?

 

On the general point of psychology and scum feeling the need to over-explain themselves, yes. It's kind of like how you pointed out earlier that whenever someone gives an excuse for their absence in advance that it bothers you, it's up the same alley IMO. That said, with Mishtress's flip on the table I think your latter assessment has merit, I also get the vibe that this was an extremely Despo-like opener where he took a straw man case and lit it on fire to see who did what.

[Andrej]

@Tina - why do you feel that someone making bets on their alignment is more likely a scum thing to say?

[Andrej]

I'm about to move my vote to Dawn and leave it there.

 

Anyone care to join me?

 

Play or eat rope. I know you are new(ish) but you aren't playing this game at all. It doesn't bode well for your alignment.

[dawnflower8]

I'm about to move my vote to Dawn and leave it there.

 

Anyone care to join me?

 

Play or eat rope. I know you are new(ish) but you aren't playing this game at all. It doesn't bode well for your alignment.

I've been busy today. Sorry. And I've been getting very confused in this thread. 

 

So you want to vote me only because I'm inactive, or do you actually think I'm scum? (for a reason other than me being inactive)

[Andrej]

Inactivity is one thing.

 

Saying that you are caught up and then only responding to posts with your name in them is another.

 

In other words - you aren't helping us to solve this game.

 

You are not adding thoughts to the collective information pool. You are not helping others discern what team you could potentially be on. What is it that you are confused about? Ask questions. Point out things that stand out to you and receive feedback from others. That's the only way you are going to learn to play this game.

[dawnflower8]

I'm just not sure who I think is scum. Nobody has said anything that seems particularly scummy to me. I will admit that my last vote was just a bandwagon vote and I had no reason for voting her besides me wanting to get rid of my joke vote on Red (who I don't find scummy at all)

 

And I'm confused about all the random, non-game related meme stuff getting mixed up with what's important. It makes it difficult for me to figure out what is actually important and what is just silliness. Even a lot of things that look serious end up turning into some sort of joke. 

[Krakalakachkn]

@ Tina - i never said Mish was my biggest suspect, i said that she had plenty of pressure on her and i agreed that the posts were scummy.  i have yet to list who im suspicous of.

 

 

 

I'll spell it out for you Mynd.

 

I haven't checked the game all day. Decided to catch up before going to bed. Saw it had twelve pages, wasn't exactly looking forward to going through that while tired. Jumped to the last page to check the mood of thread. Was happy it was still jokes, no need for serious brain activity before bedtime. Decided to post picture I just saw in my tmblr feed. Capiche?

 

so let me get this striaght.

 

you didn't do the blue, instead only doign the green and assumed the red because of one page

 

 

Newman begs to differ.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Purple stuff: When did I ever say that? lol I'm all for multiple cases to weigh with accompanying counter wagons. I'm taking this as you saying that you think your case on Tom was a legitimate one. You have also said that people are assuming it was joke, including myself, so perhaps you could clarify. Was your vote legit or joke? What exactly is your case on Tom? Why are you still voting him now that your original reasoning has been disproven?

 

Have you just been ignoring ~50% of Red's posts up to this point?

 

 

 

Also, I think you guys are a bit too harsh on Dawn atm.  She rolled mafia her first two games, so her town game probably isn't that developed yet.  She's a quick learner, but I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt atm.

Well, thanks for defending me, but people aren't actually being that harsh on me. Nobody has actually voted for me...

 

Harsh? I just think like most young people she is fairly bad at hiding her alignment

 

Which is great if she's town, as it makes things easier for POE

 

But her tone, aversion of overall attention and hyper-intensity to her perception early all scream she's awkward Mafia feeling a bit lost in the thread

 

Town!Dawn would have engaged me or Tommy seriously by now instead of hoping it blows over

I'm just an awkward person in general though, not just in mafia games. You shouldn't judge me by "awkwardness."

 

Even though you are correct on one thing - I am getting completely lost in this thread...so many memes and randomness everywhere. 

 

 

The things I said

 

Dawn would be getting more defensive as town and much less deliberate imho

 

Maybe.  Either way, more content from Dawn would be illuminating.

 

I do have school, you know. I'm way to busy to be playing mafia 24/7.

 

yes darthe i know   rolls eyes    now that the memefest is over i will play too.

 

 

so far i am reading

 

cory/aj town

 

tommy town (thats unusual)

 

leaning town on dawn

 

question about hydras. Can one head be mafia and one head town?

Why are you leaning town on me? What about me seems particularly town? Most of my posts have just been me talking about how clueless I am at the current point of this game or complaining about grammar...not much you could get either a scum or town read for.

 

 

 

Honestly, I don't see how anyone can have either a scum or town read on me at this point.

 

 

First post from Dawn I've found scummy.

 

 

only thing stopping me voting Red is her claim and what i found about the character when i googled it.

 

Not like Mish's "why arnt people looking at Tress thing" but if she was mafia     and cant be a lone mafia head   then it makes no sense to point out tress like that

 

 

@Dawn  cause its what i believe based on having seen you in a few games now. Its called Meta. This behaviour has been fairly consistant for you so far. you were different in the witches game which is why u got caught fast.

 

Can't tell if Dice is trying to play dumb with the whole can one hydra head be scum question as it makes no sense imo.

 

 

 

I'm SmallJon Umber and i'm a bodygaurd.

Well we have no one for you to BG for and if we let you go and you're legit you'll most likely be dead tonight anyway.

I think I'd rather lynch you and test the claim than let you walk. Besides, I think it's BS anyway.

You've been flailing ever since Tom got on your case.

 

Keeping my vote where it is.

 

nol  plz explain the bolded.

She's claiming BG. Who are we going to have her protect? Yates? lol

Her role, even if it's real, is pretty much useless right now. 

I'm more ok with losing a BG on day one more than I am letting scum get away.

 

You're going to leave that wifom hanging there?  Claiming she will likely die during the night is just off even coming from you.  

 

The fact that you're not just leaning on the bolded and added the part about her role being useless is a ping for me.  That and where you said 'we' as if Red (or anyone in her theoretical situation) would, especially on D1, let the thread vote on who she would protect?  

 

I don't like how your earlier post states she'll probably be nked and later post this where you explain she's worthless anyway.  You're doing your best to focus on anything but gameplay at this point and however much I dislike saying this, if Red should flip town for any reason then I'm looking at you.

 

Because that's a lot of explaining for the simple reason of not believing her claim, even with Dice softballing you that question.

[Nynaeve]

Honey, are you talking to Nolder?

 

Cause he's kinda dead.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Tommyrod]

Krak interrogating Nolder ITT

[Lenlo]

Krak... are you holding a Seance?

[Nynaeve]

Krak... are you holding a Seance?

 

Can't... stop... laughing

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Krakalakachkn]

goddammit I read the dead scene but I forgot Nolbat and Desbat are both dead.  I've been reading knowing Desbat is dead but it completely slipped my mind that Nolder was lynched too.  ****ing stupid.

 

 

I'm sure Nolder is yelling at everyone to policy lynch me in the deadthread.

 

 

 

[Xthrax]

 

I'm glad you think a lot of Mafia were on those three trains - I think so too, but mostly because 16 of 18 living players were on those three trains.

 

I would say there's probably at least three.

 

 

 

You are missing my point.  You speak of trying to scumhunt and yet you are ignoring the fundamentals of scumhunting.  Isolate a group and begin to pick a part that group.  Your jokes about my point on the hydras is ignoring this very key part of finding scum.  Its deliberate and, to me, seems more like an attempt to discredit rather than to find any truth in it.

 

Truth and logic are constant no matter who speaks it.  Go ahead and label me whatever you like.  Look at the hydras who voted Red, Mishtress, and myself.  Then, look at which of them voted when.

I thought to look at your Day 2 posts Mynd.

You say to pick a group-fine. There are a lot of variables to consider here

[Xthrax]

Sorry the post went through before I completed it.

 

Like I was saying-a lot of factors. You're gambling on a ptetty wide chance that the group you pick contains mafia.

 

What you are doing is just narrowing your search spectrum?

[Xthrax]

 

Mynd, the entire players list besides you and dice are on those two wagons.

 

 

 

 

I'm glad you think a lot of Mafia were on those three trains - I think so too, but mostly because 16 of 18 living players were on those three trains.

 

I would say there's probably at least three.

 

 

 

You are missing my point.  You speak of trying to scumhunt and yet you are ignoring the fundamentals of scumhunting.  Isolate a group and begin to pick a part that group.  Your jokes about my point on the hydras is ignoring this very key part of finding scum.  Its deliberate and, to me, seems more like an attempt to discredit rather than to find any truth in it.

 

Truth and logic are constant no matter who speaks it.  Go ahead and label me whatever you like.  Look at the hydras who voted Red, Mishtress, and myself.  Then, look at which of them voted when.

 

HYDRAS ARE = RAND TO BE TOWN JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PLAYER

WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS NOT USEFUL

 

Again, don't react post before you think about what I am saying.

 

Of course most of the players are on those trains (not all of them), but I'm not just looking at every player.  Look at the hydras that voted and when they voted and when some of them switched off Mistress to either Red or myself. 

 

Please, just for a moment, consider my theory before dismissing it.   Sure, Hydras have as much of a chance to be scum as anyone else; however, the odds that at least two of the seven are scum are more likely than not.  It is not certain, but it is more likely.  One of those seven flipped town.  We have no coroner on DesBat so we cannot rule them out as possible scum.   That leaves a liklihood (not certainty) that at least two of the six UN-coronered hydras are scum.

 

Take those six and track their voting.  When they voted and why.  Why did they flip?  Among those six, the three that I consider likely scum are Desbat (RIP), Verbalina, and Hallilialujah. 

 

Its one thing to disagree with me.  Fine.  But you are trying to imply ignorance where there is a sound argument.  For what purpose?

Firstly I disagree with your calculation there. Hydras are considered as one player. So they have as much as chance as anyone to be town or mafia.

[Xthrax]

 

There is no sound argument. You are taking seven randomly-assigned player slots and only analyzing them.

 

 

Why do they have games like craps in Vegas?  Sure the probability of any given six sided die roll is 1/6, so why is it more common to roll 7's than any other combo when rolling two dice? Its because of probability.  Sure, Darthe may have assigned all sweet and proper townie roles to all seven of the hydras, but if it was truly random, the odds of this occurring are much less likely than the odds of at least some of them being scum. 

 

We could flip it around and say out of all the non-hydras, but I figured 7 was an easier number to go with than 12.  Besides, whether you want to believe it or not, hydras give the scum team an extra advantage in the thread.  An extra voice to spin their agenda, or in some cases, dismiss theories about hydras. 

 

As it stands, I believe that DesBat was scum.  They listed Nolder as top scum with me close behind, figuring on an easy speed lynch on D2.  They either got blasted by a paranoid gun owner type role or were VIG killed.

Hydras give mafia an added advantage. Fine. Do consider the fact that if a hydra is rolled town. They have two players who are absolutely convinced that they are town and who are continously working for town benefit.

They are 2 players who know for certain that each other is town. They can work together making an informed lohical decision and help solve the game.

 

2 players against the nonsense that mafia spout.

 

Talking about this causes more distaction away from game solving, more wifom. We can keep thinking around in circles about this but doesn't help town

[Xthrax]

Think Cory is right about the Nol shot. I'm surprised Nolder was a VT, I figured he was polarized to scum or cop.

DesBat no coroner implies a janitor. That means future claimfest becomes even more muddied.

Agreed

[Xthrax]

 

I disagree entirely, on DesBat and my thoughts on hydras. The first is pointless to debate without more information and the second doesn't belong to be debated in this game. If you decide you are only going to analyze ~7 players because LOL, let's do that... Okay. have fun.

##Vote Krak feels right

 

 

Tommy suggested that Desbat's no-coroner implies a janitor.  I guess there is more to look at than just PAFO.  By your rationale, it is pointless to debate who is scum without more information.  We can certainly try to look at it.  Tommy did. 

 

Again, I am not saying anything about ignoring the rest of the players.  A very effective scum-hunting strategy is to isolate a group of players.  This is what I am doing.  I am looking at the hydras because of their extra benefit to the scum team.

 

Do you at least agree that a hydra in a mafia slot gives the mafia an extra advantage in the game thread?

It does.

 

Now do you agree that having hydra as town Benefits them

[Xthrax]

 

 

Nolbat - 5.2027244573 - SCUM

Mynd - 5.2027244573 - SCUM

Krak - 4.5402098357 - SCUM

Dawn - 4.5402098357 - SCUM

Verbalina - 3.7874282333 - SCUM LEAN

Dice - 3.6426625406 - SCUM LEAN

Lenlo - 3.5013044129 - SCUM LEAN

Halleeloujah - 3.5013044129 - SCUM LEAN

Zanube - 2.9801479189 - MIXED

Jack - 2.8387897912 - MIXED

MegaLoud - 2.3176332973 - TOWN LEAN

Nyankat - 2.3176332973 - TOWN LEAN

Red - 1.3332265865 - TOWN

Tommy - 1.3332265865 - TOWN

X - 1.0471027661 - TOWN

Crayjay - 0.9568357854 - TOWN

Yates - 0.9568357854 - TOWN

 

 

Nolder was wrong; can't really blame whomever shot him though, he was being purposefully useless.

So Krak is pushing Red currently, right? Or did I misinterpret that?

 

If DesBat was the NK, then you are trying to story-tell the mafia night kill.  You are also justifying why both of you are alive before anyone else asked this question.  Very interesting....you are asking us to assume quite a bit yet my hydra theory, founded in logic and probability, is somehow alien and strange. 

 

You are also asking us to assume that DesBat was town despite his coroner, and yet Cory asks us to PAFO on why there is no coroner.

No one is trying to story tell anything. Rveryone is most likely telling you that the way your theory about the nk is wrong because according to Darthe there is no funny business.

 

I f you say we are asking to assume, you are asking us to assume that your theory which is greatly based on chance is right. You are asking us to assume something that is not very logical seeming

[Xthrax]

Your theories IMO are pretty much umfounded. Yet you still persist.  It doesn't solve the game any way,  causes unnecessary wifom-spinning our thought processes into disarray.

 

##VOTE MYND