[Advanced] Red Wedding Mafia - Post Game, MakersMark

[WWWwombat]

Hit and run fake vote by Dawn.  Do not like.

[Leelou]

Hit and run fake vote by Dawn.  Do not like.

 

Don't like Zanube's vote either. 

[Nolder]

ok scooby

[Nynaeve]

Hit and run fake vote by Dawn.  Do not like.

 

Agreed.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Nolder]

Night shenanigans aside, I'd be ok with putting some pressure on Dawn tomorrow

[Xthrax]

I am really sorry that I only posted two times and I didn't post anything else as I was sick. I didn't catch up on all pages but this I would like to post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Having some annoying computer issues this morning - monitor on my desktop is old and dying, and wouldn't turn on at all this morning (at least hasn't in almost 3 hours of waiting for it)... Laptop hasn't been turned on in a couple of months and needed updates and now wants me to reboot like now if not sooner. Made some notes in our Hydra QT so I can reference them from whichever computer (or my phone) later on.

 

Copy/pasting quick hits on the happenings that have stood out to me ... <rest of quote snipped for brevity>

That crazy font....looks a lot like it came from a QT......

I wonder why.

 

Hydra....QTs....two girls/one cup player.  Got it. 

 

Now, please 'splain your other half's floundering. 

 

 

Lemme start here.

 

I'mma be Captain Obvoius and tell you I'm not inside Mish's head and we don't discuss everything we post in the QT before we say it.  However, I understand her as a player pretty well, and know a good amount about what her life is like and how it affects her playing. Here's the timeline and how I interpret it.

 

First post: She says she was about to complain about having to catch up on 12 pages but sees that everyone is still joking so she posts a joke pic herself.

 

Second post: About half an hour later - responds to Red's meme about complaining about catching up by noting that it's easier to catch up on 12 pages of jokes than serious play right before bedtime

 

Obviously she's had time to scan through the thread and see if there's any serious gameplay that stands out to her - next post is just a few minutes later.

 

Third post: Picks out something that stands out to her - X's intro post - and votes X.  This reads to me like an attempt to find something to start serious gameplay - I'mma go on a little sidetrack here about gamestarter actions, because I've done a lot of thinking about the subject.

 

My thought is that there are basically two methods people use to try to kickstart a game into serious mode.  First is doing something obvious - maybe slightly scummy or even overtly scummy - to draw attention to yourself (i.e. vote someone with no reasoning, claim vanilla town with no provocation, or even claim mafia out of the blue).  You get reactions, you probably get voted, you take note of reactions and probably find something worthwhile to build a train on in the process, and the game moves on.   I see a lot of this kind of action from Darthe, occasionally Wombat, and in this game's example, Yates.

 

Second gamestarter type is the Mountain -> Molehill type, where you nitpick all the fluff posts to find something, usually incredibly minor, as a reason to FOS, vote, or full-on case someone.  You watch for people bandwagoning or building on that case, you watch for people defending that person, and you probably end up abandoning that original case because it was truly nonsense in the first place, but by that point it's generated decent discussion.  Mynd and Red are pretty much masters of this... Mish's vote on X is a smaller example of such an attempt IMO, and didn't get a lot of traction because it was followed up pretty much right away by Mynd and Red using Mish's vote as a much more effective gamestarter.

 

Being on the receiving end of one of those mountain/molehill cases is frustrating as hell, if ya didn't know.  As I said, I've spent a lot of time contemplating kickstart behavior and it's pretty much gotten me to the point where I don't sweat it because I see where they're going with it, but Mynd and Red haven't played much in a good long time (and nobody else does it quite to their extent) and Mish tends to let her frustration bleed into the game more easily.

 

Which is obvious in her fourth post:  She comes in, makes 3 posts, and is suddenly being grilled about her choice of wording.  She tries to lay out the sequence of events.  She's tired and starting to get annoyed. 

 

Fifth post is nearly an hour and a half after she popped in saying she was getting ready to go to bed, and the frustration is obvious.  Sometimes all you can do is roll your eyes.  

 

Sixth post is now two hours after the first statement of her intention to catch up on the thread before she goes to bed, and she's ready to let it go and call it a night, but not before Mynd appears to suggest that she was somehow dishonest in her representation of her intentions to go to bed.   At this point in the QT, I mention how I'm amused that I've been posting and joking around the whole time without anyone saying a word, but she makes one post and suddenly she has Mynd and Red grilling her. She starts thinking that maybe people have forgotten that we share a slot, so she decides if people are still giving her a hard time when she gets up in the morning, she'll try to remind them.  I give her a little pep talk about the Red/Mynd game starter meta.

 

Next post after wake-up time: she's a bit disappointed at the amount of off-topic fluff that was continuing after a few solid game kickstarters.  Notes she's suspicious at Despo being off meta.  Explains to Wombat what she meant by her reason for the Xthrax vote.  Asks Cloud to outline exactly how she changed her story because it's a very vague accusation.  Decides that since people are still pressuring her for little to no reason and nobody seems to find me suspicious, it's time to remind them that we're both part of the same hydra.

 

After people clarify that they haven't said anything about me because I've been a slacker and haven't said anything game related yet, she reiterates her point and tries to let it drop.

 

Comes back with a serious response to several points Tommy made attempting to address his questions, including why she hadn't followed up on her original vote of Xthrax, why she expected people to take my play into account in judging our slot, her reads on Dawn, Mynd, Red, and expanding on her comment about Despo being off meta.

 

Last post in response to another Tommy question confirming her reads on Red and Mynd.

 

After this she advised me in the QT she was going to step away from the game because of an outside issue that put her in a bad mood and she didn't want to let it affect the game. There's this kind of spiral that happens when an emotional person lets emotion bleed into a game where people pounce on it and call it scummy, which just makes you more emotional.  Nobody needs that kind of thing to sidetrack the game. I'm guessing she's sleeping now and we'll probably hear from her again in a few hours.

 

My jumping in this morning with my list of reads wasn't timed and calculated as damage control.  As I said before, I'm not all that wound up about the possibility of being lynched today.  We win with town whether or not we live through day 1, and if our death helps in any way to solve the game, that's worth it.  My intent is to get my thoughts out there to help with the game solving bit, regardless.  If Mynd hadn't specifically asked for it, I wouldn't have spent any time at all defending the other half of my slot. 

 

I'd actually planned to post my thoughts with quotes and whatnot last night, well before people started calling me out as not contributing anything game related, but just got too exhausted to form coherent thoughts so I figured I'd get up early and do it today.  My computer monitor dying a slow painful death, plus my laptop requiring updates for my antivirus, Java, and Windows slowed me down to where I couldn't put in the time I intended so I threw a partial list of mostly gut impressions into the QT so I could reference it and update it later, then copy/pasted it here.

 

Now, it's going on midnight and if I was smart I'd be going to bed, but I promised I'd expand on my quick and dirty reads, so I'll do that a bit before I collapse.

I agree with this post. In Mish's second post Mynd was trying to jump start the game. Mafia tend to overexplain things from the slightest bit of pressure.In her next post,Mish started overexplaining things and from this Mynd put a little bit of more pressure. And then Mish started getting twitchy. I felt that then she was redirecting the pressure form her.This makes me suspicious again.

 

I will check on Red later. For now

 

##Vote Mishtress

 

xD, I agree with Tress post. *votes her straight off*

 

Looks almost like my post except for a few sentences jumbled up and few words interchanged. 

 

Also like Wombat said-the sudden vote from Zanube and the sudden incorrectly formatted vote from Dawn-suspicious?! Or just last minute appearances to make do for participation?

[dawnflower8]

##Unvote. Vote Mistress. 

 

 

 

Hit and run fake vote by Dawn.  Do not like.

Well, it's better than voting Red because of grammar. 

[Nynaeve]

##Unvote. Vote Mistress. 

 

 

 

Hit and run fake vote by Dawn.  Do not like.

Well, it's better than voting Red because of grammar. 

 

 

LMFAO

[Nolder]

##Unvote Y

##Vote X

 

like dis

[Nynaeve]

F for fabulous, Dawn.

[Leelou]

Yeah, Dawn needs some pressure tomorrow. 

[WWWwombat]

##Unvote Y

##Vote X

 

like dis

 

You just voted Xthrax D:

[Nolder]

A vote tag incorporated into the forum would be a godsend.

Verbal get on it.

[Cory Caboose]

Can we try to lynch Mafia instead of deciding which probtown to lynch?

We should all be voting Mynd about now.

[Nolder]

 

##Unvote Y

##Vote X

 

like dis

 

You just voted Xthrax D:

 

ITS NOT BOLD

DOESNT COUNT

[WWWwombat]

Voting shenanigans abound!

[_CLOUD]

How many more times do I have to read that Zen's vote looks weird?

[WWWwombat]

 

 

##Unvote Y

##Vote X

 

like dis

 

You just voted Xthrax D:

 

ITS NOT BOLD

DOESNT COUNT

 

 

k ur right

[Leelou]

Can we try to lynch Mafia instead of deciding which probtown to lynch?

 

We should all be voting Mynd about now.

 

Totally down for this. Mentioned a CFD few posts back. 

[WWWwombat]

How many more times do I have to read that Zen's vote looks weird?

 

At least 12

[WWWwombat]

Can we try to lynch Mafia instead of deciding which probtown to lynch?

 

We should all be voting Mynd about now.

 

We have 9 minutes to deadline.  Can we do it?

[Leelou]

##unvote, ##vote Mynd

[Cory Caboose]

 

Can we try to lynch Mafia instead of deciding which probtown to lynch?

 

We should all be voting Mynd about now.

 

Totally down for this. Mentioned a CFD few posts back. 

 

Am I the only person 

 

 

Can we try to lynch Mafia instead of deciding which probtown to lynch?

 

We should all be voting Mynd about now.

 

We have 9 minutes to deadline.  Can we do it?

 

Lynching Mish just seems like we are lynching town for lulz.

What are we even doing?

[dawnflower8]

##Unvote

##Vote Mistress

[Cory Caboose]

Leelou that was supposed to be "Am I the only person who is dissatisfied with lynching the least valuable town because it's not a PR? I would like to lynch Mafia.

Get some votes on Mynd, guys!