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  On 4/3/2014 at 9:17 PM, Despothera said:

I miss Dap btw

 

:sad:

 

Mebbe my mentioning him will summon him to the thread like what happened with Cory earlier

 

:tongue:

 

 

...

 

or like how my secret carnal desires summoned Tommy into the game...

 

:unsure:

 

:flamingsword:

Unfortunately In this game I am not seeing you in a town light

Especially since the person you were going toe to toe with flipped the cop

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The lack of an instant unvote by yoloswag when AJ reveals is worrying.

If des were the executioner he could of just sent in the action to speed the lynch then come to the thread and unvoted.

However he didn't.

Instead he made a big show of wanting AJ to interact with him on a few points before he would consider unvoting.

Therefore I think he was waiting for his teammate to arrive and send in the action.

Hally, Len, Darthe, were the others online around the time of the execution I believe

Posted

Unfortunately you're still town????

 

 

Well that's awkward.

 

 

 

 

 

You're saying me questioning and pushing is a bad thing.  Lol it's ridiculous that you're judging what I'm doing from your own standpoint. You're nowhere near lock clear for me and you're playing a scummy game.  You acting like it's absurd for me to push on that is ridiculous.  Don't blame me for your questionable posts and incorrect lynch pushes.  You lynched a claimed cop and pushed hard on the BG  - For the record I most certainly did the latter - regardless, my misplay is known to me and my teammate only, yours isn't known to me and they were two big anti-town plays.  So excuse me if I refuse to stop poking and nuzzling and opportunistically fosing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  On 4/5/2014 at 12:32 AM, dapianoplay3r said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 9:17 PM, Despothera said:

I miss Dap btw

 

:sad:

Unfortunately In this game I am not seeing you in a town light

Especially since the person you were going toe to toe with flipped the cop

 

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Well that's troubling, since I'm town and you normally can townread me fairly easily.

 

Plus, me going toe to toe with someone who flipped Cop means nothing. As town or scum I wouldn't have likely known he was Cop, and even after his claim I still thought him scum.

 

Also- everyone knows the circumstances regarding me and my interaction with J-TAG. You just bringing it up again looks like you trying to keep town focused on us. Def thinking you're one of the scum trying to frame us.

 

  On 4/5/2014 at 12:45 AM, dapianoplay3r said:

The lack of an instant unvote by yoloswag when AJ reveals is worrying.

If des were the executioner he could of just sent in the action to speed the lynch then come to the thread and unvoted.

However he didn't.

Instead he made a big show of wanting AJ to interact with him on a few points before he would consider unvoting.

Therefore I think he was waiting for his teammate to arrive and send in the action.

Hally, Len, Darthe, were the others online around the time of the execution I believe

 

The lack of an instant unvote from me really shouldn't be worrying at all for you, since you do know me so well.

 

Dap. What's the biggest thing me and you disagree on?

 

Yup, that's right. Formulaic plays. You think you should unvote and accept an unCCed Cop claim as legit until proven otherwise, I have many times voiced my staunch disagreement with this policy. I almost NEVER accept a claim immediately. I always like to weigh in all the other circumstances to see if it is a fake claim or not. This type of play leads to scum possibly getting caught WITHOUT a town PR having to out themselves.

 

In fact, that's why I was hounding AJ to reveal his N1 viewing. I was planning on going back and checking to see if that viewing made sense with J-TAG's thinking from earlier in the thread.

 

You naming all those that were around at the time looks like fake scumhunting to me. You know as well as I do that it would be JUST as likely, if not more, that scum would have laid low around that time instead of post and make themselves possible suspects for the Executioner.

 

  On 4/5/2014 at 1:34 AM, Krakalakachkn said:

Unfortunately you're still town????

 

 

Well that's awkward.

 

 

 

 

 

You're saying me questioning and pushing is a bad thing.  Lol it's ridiculous that you're judging what I'm doing from your own standpoint. You're nowhere near lock clear for me and you're playing a scummy game.  You acting like it's absurd for me to push on that is ridiculous.  Don't blame me for your questionable posts and incorrect lynch pushes.  You lynched a claimed cop and pushed hard on the BG  - For the record I most certainly did the latter - regardless, my misplay is known to me and my teammate only, yours isn't known to me and they were two big anti-town plays.  So excuse me if I refuse to stop poking and nuzzling and opportunistically fosing.

 

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@ the over the top defensive tone in this post. LAWLZ.

 

Also a TON of misreps and just outright turrible reasoning/explanations. Mmmmmm this will be fun! :biggrin:

 

1. When did I say you questioning was a bad thing? Show me where I said that.

 

2. Of COURSE I'm going to judge things from my standpoint... who else's standpoint would I be judging things from? From my standpoint, I know I'm town, and I know that there is a decent chance scum will try to frame me for J-TAG'S Execution. This might not be apparent to everyone else- but we're not there yet. I was explaining why I am now suspicious of you.

 

3. You saying I have played a scummy game is essentially an empty sentence signifying nothing. Up to this point I never said it was absurd to "push me on that" because this is the first time you've said that. I also never said it was absurd to suspect me and Verb- in fact if you go back I was saying quite the opposite. It will be absurd btw, if you try to push me on "me playing a scummy game all game" as that is essentially stating nothing.

 

4. I didn't lynch the cop. The Cop was Executed. This isn't semantics either.

 

5. It's not a mystery that I was going @ J-TAG hard yesterday. You restating that I "lynched the Cop" is just you trying to hammer home on the same point to try and keep town focused on a mislynch. No one needs reminding of the biggest event that happened in the last 10 pages.

 

6. "Pushed hard on BG" - uh- how do you know they aren't scum? We haven't seen a flip there, so.... yeah how does me pushing against PFG make me look bad again? Thinking we got a TMI slip mebbe.

 

7. Lastly, again, I never told you to stop poking, or nuzzling, or opportunistically fos'ing. Show me where I say that. Why would I want you to stop scummy behavior if I think you're scum? :laugh:

 

Seriously tho, keep at it man. I would love to see you continuing to howl lol.

 

  On 4/5/2014 at 3:59 AM, Darthe said:

I just saw Frozen last night and it was great save for a somewhat weak ending.  

 

Eh, it's Disney, what you expect?

 

That movie ended up being a LOT better than I thought it would. It was very unique for a Disney movie of it's kind. Wasn't all about a man/woman in love, the biggest story was around the two sisters and their relationship. I thought that was kinda cool.

Posted
  On 4/5/2014 at 1:34 AM, Krakalakachkn said:

You lynched a claimed cop and pushed hard on the BG

 

Nvm, on first read I thought it was a typo and that BG was actually supposed to be PFG or BFG, didn't realize he meant the Bodyguard. So nvm about the TMI slip.

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That's not to say any of my other points are weak or anything tho- I think Krak's last post was dripping with wolftells. For the TL,DR'ers:

 

Krak is trying to place all blame for the Cop's death on me. Saying I lynched him... even tho the Cop was executed. Big difference. He's also trying, along with his other head Dap, to keep highlighting the fact that I was going after J-TAG and didn't buy their claim... even tho everyone should already know that (they're not pointing out something that others didn't see). Krak is also trying to supplement the case against us by going back and fetching older quotes and stuff to try and make soft little nudges against us instead of outright casing us.

Posted
  On 4/4/2014 at 9:57 PM, Despothera said:

You don't know what we might have done had you not posted such a wolfy post. All you keep spewing out it "Yolo is misrepping everything I say!" without showing how were doing so.

 

And, that clearly shows you are trying to dodge all my posts, not wanting to read what I respond and instead parrot the same things again and again in the hope that it is considered as true by others. 

 

Here are the posts AGAIN where I explain, with examples, how you are twisting my statements.

 

 
  On 4/3/2014 at 6:32 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 3:53 PM, Verbal32 said:

Pushing a 2nd train is not that scummy, even if the original train was scum.  It was obvious that Des & I had ES in our sights as well.  We were happy with a few different teams getting lynched, as I think I even stated in one of the various quotes Turin pulled of mine.

On its own, it is not scummy. But, looking at the context, and all the other events surrounding it, it can indeed be scummy.

 

Case in point:

We now know how important the scum role was. The scum would as well grab an opportunity if available

Des did not want to lynch SH. He himself said that.

It was at this point that the 2nd train was started and pushed

The votes did not shift from the 2nd train even when the deadline was near.

 

Based on all of that, the conclusion is straight forward. If I was just trying to portray something, it is one thing. But, that is not the case here. The read is made on a set of events and that is where it makes sense for me.

 

Also, if you are trying to say that a 2nd train is not necessarily scummy, you do realise that one of the main focus of Des' case on me is that I started a train on Ithi/Turin? How does that correlate with your statement?

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 3:53 PM, Verbal32 said:

I was reluctant?  Did I say that?  You are trying to build a situation and mindset that you can't possibly know.  This is by-the-book scum play -- trying to paint somebody bad based on a post that isn't there.  If you twist a post that is there....well, townies do that sometimes.  But you're trying to speak to a post that doesn't exist.

I did not say that you said that. I am saying that your actions showed that. Again, this is not based on just one action but a read based on a combination of events.

 

And, are you really saying that I am twisting your post? Did you have a look at Des' case on us?

 

We apparently distracted the scum train. Twisting of my wrong read on Thane. There were others, including you, who distracted the scum train.

We apparently bused the scum. Twisting of my consolidation vote. There were many, including you, who did not vote on the scum, probably wanting to lead us to no-lynch.

BFG is apparently not playing in her meta. Twisting of her sparse posts, which she could manage because of her busy schedule.

We apparently reacted bad to his vote. Subjective call. No specific reason other than a feeling.

 

Now, do you see why we are suspecting you? You answered it yourself, while trying to answer me. I know that you have been twisting our actions and trying to portray what has not happened. And, that combined with circumstantial evidence in the game, is clear that I am on the right track.

 

 

 
  On 4/3/2014 at 6:39 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:06 PM, Despothera said:

Furthermore there were still hours to go before deadline... Pray didn't "renew" the trains life or anything. He quoted someone saying "guess no one wants to lynch SH" and then was like "Well, looks like no one is getting lynched besides SH. Guess I'll vote there."

And, this is yet another example of twisting the facts to adjust your case. This is exactly what I am talking about.

 

The timestamps are right there. I voted just an hour and a few minutes before the deadline. Jack and Verbal were the only one alive and neither looked like switching to the SH train. And, that is when I voted. 

 

 

 
  On 4/3/2014 at 6:42 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:06 PM, Despothera said:

And then doesn't even mention if his target is town or not, or make ANY mention of SH's claim!!!!!!! 

 

Another example.

 

I have answered numerous times and also linked the post where I mentioned that I thought SH was town. You are just repeating the same things, to reinforce, even after I have clarified all these multiple times. Clearly shows, you have no intention of reading a response and just want to push no matter what the others are saying.

 

 

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  On 4/4/2014 at 9:57 PM, Despothera said:

And Verbal's plan has an EXCELLENT chance of catching at least one scum. Your reluctance to go along with it is noted however.

 

I was reluctant?  Did I say that?  You are trying to build a situation and mindset that you can't possibly know.  This is by-the-book scum play -- trying to paint somebody bad based on a post that isn't there.  If you twist a post that is there....well, townies do that sometimes.  But you're trying to speak to a post that doesn't exist.

 

 

 (See what I did there)

Posted
  On 4/5/2014 at 6:10 AM, Despothera said:

 

@ the over the top defensive tone in this post. LAWLZ.

 

Also a TON of misreps and just outright turrible reasoning/explanations. Mmmmmm this will be fun! :biggrin:

 

 

 

Bwahahahahahaha .......

 

Des complaining of misrepping. Irony strikes back

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Pralaya, I just literally illustrated how town I am by considering for a moment that one of my top scumreads, you and BFG, could actually be town that Krak spewed out accidentally. I was mistaken, but the point is I'm still trying to figure out everyone's alignment.

 

You, however, are solely concerned with trying to make me look like scum, without even considering for a moment that you could be wrong or that you should also look elsewhere for potential scum (cause yeah, me and Verb are town)

 

THAT'S how I know you're scum.

 

:wink:

Posted
  On 4/5/2014 at 7:53 AM, Despothera said:

 

You, however, are solely concerned with trying to make me look like scum, without even considering for a moment that you could be wrong or that you should also look elsewhere for potential scum (cause yeah, me and Verb are town)

 

THAT'S how I know you're scum.

 

:wink:

 

You and everyone else knows that it is not true.

 

I did try to consider that I was wrong. I tried to see whether my theory could be wrong. And, I expressed the same. What happened? You and verbal both tried to twist that intention into portraying me a scummy and alleging that I am trying to buddy you. That reaction further reinforced my belief that you are trying hard to make me look like scum. Ever since D1. 

 

You are trying to say one thing but your actions speak entirely the other way. 

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That's cause your reasoning for why we would be town was awful. That scum WOULDN'T have set up two townie trains to compete with one another?

 

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Why would scum not want to do that? Your post also made the assumption that scum could control exactly what trains had developed, which is again a bunch of malarky.

 

No, that wasn't you trying to think about whether or not we could be town. That was you trying to come up with a reason to suddenly pull back and stop going after us, probably in the hopes that we would then stop going after you.

 

Seriously Pray. One of, if not your only, main points of your argument against us is that we have been setting up your lynch since D1. Well, this is just a garbage reason to suspect someone, period. Along with the fact that you're just straight up wrong. We were pushing for lynching ES at end of D1. Still, during N1 our main two scum reads were ES and J-TAG. ES flipped town, so we started pushing against J-TAG. I saw that AJ had voted you and thought it might be a distancing maneuver so I wanted to see if you would collude with each other, so I then voted you. Up till that point I had fos'ed you but never made it seem like you were my top lynch target.

 

So again, we were never trying to set up your lynch. We suspected you, but you weren't even one of our top two scumreads. You then try twisting the whole thing to make it look like we were trying to get you lynched since D1, when we weren't, and again, that's still TERRIBLE reasoning to try and use to convince others that someone is scum. There is basically nothing that you've done to show in any way that anything Verbal and I have done is remotely scummy. You said we've misrepped, we then pointed out how we didn't. You then just continue to say we're misrepping, so we just laugh it away.

 

Here's the thing Pray. We're town. There is no way you come out of this looking like YOU could be town if you actually did succeed in getting us lynched. And if you just continue to tunnel on us without looking like you're actually trying to #solve the game, you'll just end up getting yourself lynched.

 

So, if you ARE town, back up for a second and reconsider everything you're saying about us, whether it is all true, and whether any of it actually gives any true indication of us being scum, instead of just making a lame omgus looking case. I'm trying to appeal to reason here because if you ARE town, I'm hoping you aren't so far gone as Turin, who has literally made himself a non-voice because of his inability to ever consider that I could be town.

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I believe that is a good enough reason to consider. Especially the way you have gone hard at two teams and when both the teams flip town, there is no way you can come out of that alive. Especially given the context that one scum is already dead. Which is one of the reasons I want to believe that you are town.

 

I did think that you were colluding with J-Tag during D2 to mask your intentions. Especially when you switched suddenly and started making a ridiculous excuse of testing reactions, which is exactly what a scum would do. But, clearly I was wrong about J-Tag.

 

And, stop trying to represent that we are suspecting you just because I thought you were setting me up. I gave numerous other reasons, questioned you on your actions and outlined the whole reasons why we found you scum.

 

"There is basically nothing that you've done to show in any way that anything Verbal and I have done is remotely scummy.". This is a funny statement. All those points that was raised in D2 - trying to distract the lynch of SH, staying off the SH lynch, suspecting people on meta reads, Verbal suspecting us with reasons which can be applied directly to each and every one of your posts, twisting our statements - lot of points which clearly shows you have been acting scummy. I tried to believe that you were derptowning after the flip of but your actions post that doesn't seem to alleviate that opinion. The execution is also suspect but I am not going to into the wifom of that, on who were online etc.

 

Also, no, you have not pointed out how you misrepped me. You never responded to the points that I posted and which I quoted just a few posts back. Verbal responded but dodged those points by trying to argue that I was linking your actions and Verbal actions, which was not the intended response to questions.

 

But more importantly, we hardly responded to you or tried to get you lynched post the flip of J-Tag. I can show at least 4-5 posts where Verbal and you have been trying to have us as the lynch the next day. It is not us who is trying to get you lynched...it is the other way round. The worst part is that even when i am thinking to reconsider your alignment, you are continuing to do the same by twisting our intentions. That is not helping at all.

Posted
  On 4/4/2014 at 5:40 AM, csarmi said:

Stuff shall be updated in the first page... but it keeps freezing my chrome (yup, the first page of this thread). You got all the info anyway.

 

Deadline of night is Saturday, 17:00GMT

 

As in the first night, day will start when all actions are in (or deadline has passed) AND the mods happen to be around AND in the right mood.

 

5 hours left to send your actions

Posted
  On 4/5/2014 at 11:33 AM, Pralaya said:

Clarthe or us, with some FoS on Krak and SS.

Then you're not paying attention...

 

Clarthe and YOLO are thunderdoming tomorrow. Not pursuing any other lynch besides there's.

 

Imo, it's best chance of catching scum. If that didn't work, I'd have to tinfoil on SS, but we can cross that bridge when we get there.

 

Fact is, Cop got Executed. There is no way you'll get me to believe the entire train on him is town. So Verb's plan is a go.

Posted

You know, now that we know about the executioner, was there any chance that it could have been but into play yesterday to save Ameg/Thane?

 

Could that have been what the competing trains were all about?

Posted
  On 4/5/2014 at 12:36 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 4/5/2014 at 11:33 AM, Pralaya said:

Clarthe or us, with some FoS on Krak and SS.

Then you're not paying attention...

 

Clarthe and YOLO are thunderdoming tomorrow. Not pursuing any other lynch besides there's.

 

Imo, it's best chance of catching scum. If that didn't work, I'd have to tinfoil on SS, but we can cross that bridge when we get there.

 

Fact is, Cop got Executed. There is no way you'll get me to believe the entire train on him is town. So Verb's plan is a go.

 

 

Can you explain to me what the use of a thunderdome is when one of the two parties thinks the other is town?

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