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  On 4/1/2014 at 3:46 PM, Jack_D said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 3:42 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 2:21 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Verb, you think PFG is bussing us? If we are both mafia that would have to be the case.

It is a bit odd that pral has voted us when bfg had us as townish at last check IIRC.

If no one else wants to lynch straw hats today, how about crunk? It would save Cory from having to deal with us scrubs. And we gat rid of a Mafioso.

 

Yep, she thinks you are town. 

 

Anyway, there is no other alternative today. Let's get this done with.

 

##vote straw hats

If they don't flip scum. I'm perfectly happy lynching you for this. Or Cory for his blatant hypocrisy.

 

##vote Strawhats

 

 

Nvm, Jack hammered. I'm the one completely misremembering events lol. I'm mixing up another game, I know recently Lily hammered someone when I was about to. Mightve been the Physics game... not sure. Anyhoo

 

:blush:

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  On 4/3/2014 at 6:49 PM, Lenlo said:

Thank you. Finally someone understands what it is im saying.

 

As for RTE, look. We cant all have perfect marriages like you and AJ but im in this for the long haul.

 

Lol good man.

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  On 4/3/2014 at 6:12 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:01 PM, Verbal32 said:

By downplaying Turin's case on me, isn't that the same as garnering town-cred with me?  Do you really see those as separate events?

 

Yes I see them as differently. The situation varies depending on how the person views your alignment in relation to Amega's post.

 

If you are town then yes, Amega could've been trying to defend you in order to get on your good side.

 

If you are scum then yes, Amega could've been trying to defend you for obvious reasons.

 

I believe the latter.

 

Still the same event based on POV. But we disagree in which scenario we think is most likely.

 

 

 

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:32 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 3:53 PM, Verbal32 said:

Pushing a 2nd train is not that scummy, even if the original train was scum.  It was obvious that Des & I had ES in our sights as well.  We were happy with a few different teams getting lynched, as I think I even stated in one of the various quotes Turin pulled of mine.

On its own, it is not scummy. But, looking at the context, and all the other events surrounding it, it can indeed be scummy.

 

Case in point:

We now know how important the scum role was. The scum would as well grab an opportunity if available

Des did not want to lynch SH. He himself said that.

It was at this point that the 2nd train was started and pushed

The votes did not shift from the 2nd train even when the deadline was near.

 

Based on all of that, the conclusion is straight forward. If I was just trying to portray something, it is one thing. But, that is not the case here. The read is made on a set of events and that is where it makes sense for me.

 

Also, if you are trying to say that a 2nd train is not necessarily scummy, you do realise that one of the main focus of Des' case on me is that I started a train on Ithi/Turin? How does that correlate with your statement?

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 3:53 PM, Verbal32 said:

I was reluctant?  Did I say that?  You are trying to build a situation and mindset that you can't possibly know.  This is by-the-book scum play -- trying to paint somebody bad based on a post that isn't there.  If you twist a post that is there....well, townies do that sometimes.  But you're trying to speak to a post that doesn't exist.

I did not say that you said that. I am saying that your actions showed that. Again, this is not based on just one action but a read based on a combination of events.

 

And, are you really saying that I am twisting your post? Did you have a look at Des' case on us?

 

We apparently distracted the scum train. Twisting of my wrong read on Thane. There were others, including you, who distracted the scum train.

We apparently bused the scum. Twisting of my consolidation vote. There were many, including you, who did not vote on the scum, probably wanting to lead us to no-lynch.

BFG is apparently not playing in her meta. Twisting of her sparse posts, which she could manage because of her busy schedule.

We apparently reacted bad to his vote. Subjective call. No specific reason other than a feeling.

 

Now, do you see why we are suspecting you? You answered it yourself, while trying to answer me. I know that you have been twisting our actions and trying to portray what has not happened. And, that combined with circumstantial evidence in the game, is clear that I am on the right track.

 

So, you keep using Des as your defense to me. While we are a Hydra, we are 2 distinct players with VERY distinct styles. This is why I wanted to Hydra with him - call it a social experiment. And I do genuinely like the dude when he's not a royal PITA, lol. So, I like him 1% of the time? I jest, I jest.

 

But really, not sure I like using Des' various WoTs as your defense against my simple statement to you.

 

 

 

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:39 PM, Pralaya said:

Jack and Verbal were the only one alive and neither looked like switching to the SH train. And, that is when I voted.

 

This is why I suspect you - making wild assumptions based on posts that don't exist. I said nothing about my intention to vote or not vote. You are filling in the blanks. Scummy.

 

 

 

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:43 PM, TGlems said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 4:45 PM, Darthe said:

I give setup and then in bold the interesting parts of the responses.  Pay special attention to the fact that Des/Verb are one hydra and tell me if anyone else is seeing what I am seeing here.  Does anyone catch how Laya tried to slip past his own meta read to use a retaliatory read, thus double dipping on one person?  It is a good use of hydra manipulation but ultimately is flawed.

 

I saw that but viewed it as more getting into semantics than intent of the post.

 

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 5:50 PM, BFG said:

To expand a little.

 

 

I've spoilered the posts that were made from Amega's claim AMD your game play.

 

So here you still want to lynch them, which is fine (and implied by the lack of unvote)

But here you're saying they're not the best lynch of the day. Did you change your mind or did you always think this? If you always thought this then why have you posted so much fluff I'm the last 20 odd hours instead of explaining who would be a better lynch? Who did you think was a better lynch?

But now you want to lynch them again, so why did you earlier say that they weren't the best lynch for the day?

 

 

So within 30 minutes you go from wanting to lynch them to not thinking they're the best lynch of the day to wanting to lynch them again. Why the change in thought?

 

I think you're misreading and stuck on semantics.

 

I know I've addressed this in prior games, but damn.....using the semantics angle is very scummy.  Scum like to drown the thread in semantics to build strawman cases.  Using semantics as a defense is no good.

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  On 4/3/2014 at 7:00 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 3:46 PM, Jack_D said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 3:42 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 2:21 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Verb, you think PFG is bussing us? If we are both mafia that would have to be the case.

It is a bit odd that pral has voted us when bfg had us as townish at last check IIRC.

If no one else wants to lynch straw hats today, how about crunk? It would save Cory from having to deal with us scrubs. And we gat rid of a Mafioso.

 

Yep, she thinks you are town. 

 

Anyway, there is no other alternative today. Let's get this done with.

 

##vote straw hats

If they don't flip scum. I'm perfectly happy lynching you for this. Or Cory for his blatant hypocrisy.

 

##vote Strawhats

 

 

Nvm, Jack hammered. I'm the one completely misremembering events lol. I'm mixing up another game, I know recently Lily hammered someone when I was about to. Mightve been the Physics game... not sure. Anyhoo

 

:blush:

 

 

How surprising.

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 7:00 PM, TGlems said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:54 PM, Despothera said:

Oh and here's one little thing to noodle on, for anyone still trying to push that I was trying to derail SH's lynch yesterday-

 

After saying we should set them aside and look for other scum, I eventually did a full reread, and used like thousands of words to show exactly WHY SH was pretty much confirmed scum.

 

If I'm scum trying to derail a train on a teammate, what's the scum motivation in the reminding everyone of all the reasons WHY my teammate is obvscum?

 

Go ahead, I'll wait. (not really, gonna keep on reading :tongue: )

 

I'll take a crack.  You saw the heat they were getting and expected them to get lynched eventually.  So, as their scum partner, you continue to find them scum (distancing) while focusing on trying to keep them alive by getting a lynch elsewhere.  And, then when they flip scum you use the fact that you knew beforehand that they would as a way to try and coast to endgame. 

 

 

Yeeeup.

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  On 4/3/2014 at 7:00 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 3:46 PM, Jack_D said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 3:42 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 2:21 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Verb, you think PFG is bussing us? If we are both mafia that would have to be the case.

It is a bit odd that pral has voted us when bfg had us as townish at last check IIRC.

If no one else wants to lynch straw hats today, how about crunk? It would save Cory from having to deal with us scrubs. And we gat rid of a Mafioso.

 

Yep, she thinks you are town. 

 

Anyway, there is no other alternative today. Let's get this done with.

 

##vote straw hats

If they don't flip scum. I'm perfectly happy lynching you for this. Or Cory for his blatant hypocrisy.

 

##vote Strawhats

 

 

Nvm, Jack hammered. I'm the one completely misremembering events lol. I'm mixing up another game, I know recently Lily hammered someone when I was about to. Mightve been the Physics game... not sure. Anyhoo

 

:blush:

 

 

SEE WHAT I HAVE TO WORK WITH, PEOPLE????

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  On 4/3/2014 at 6:54 PM, Despothera said:

 

After saying we should set them aside and look for other scum, I eventually did a full reread, and used like thousands of words to show exactly WHY SH was pretty much confirmed scum.

 

If I'm scum trying to derail a train on a teammate, what's the scum motivation in the reminding everyone of all the reasons WHY my teammate is obvscum?

 

 

And, yet, you did not move your vote, even an hour before the deadline. Even if you are arguing that you wanted to look at the others, your waiting until the last possible time to apparently vote, doesn't sound genuine. 

 

For your second question, I will use your own post to answer it

 

 
  On 4/3/2014 at 6:18 PM, Despothera said:

My God. TG literally said him and PFG can't be scum together because they're openly colluding on thread and that that would be dumb. Apparently he never got the memo that scum will occasionally do the unexpected to try and win. In other words, WIFOMMMMMM. Your team basically got outed by a D1 lynch y'all tried to fight so now all your eggs are in the same basket.

 

Seriously, TG is pushing the most inane drivel I've ever seen him spew. How the freak are people still listening to him?

 

 

Oh, and distancting.

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@Despo - you weren't about either. You didn't post anywhere near the game. Were you watching it with verb and hoping it would go past deadline.

 

Again - you said lily was about and you thought she'd hammer. Why would you trust someone you say you thought was mafia to do that?

 

Also - re pral's amazing restart of the lynch ... That happened just after I pointed out on thread that only the mafia had something to gain by a majority not being achieved - I think it was the very next post.

 

Des you need to either stop fibbing or check your own facts before you accuse someone of being wrong/fail. I know you really want us to be discounted but making stuff up isn't the best way to do that.

 

I said I was going to check in case I was wrong - but I wasn't.

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  On 4/3/2014 at 7:01 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

I know I've addressed this in prior games, but damn.....using the semantics angle is very scummy.  Scum like to drown the thread in semantics to build strawman cases.  Using semantics as a defense is no good.

 

 

I was trying to say BFG is getting stuck in semantics and I don't like it.

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 7:02 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

SEE WHAT I HAVE TO WORK WITH, PEOPLE????

 

 

Lol.

Posted
  On 4/3/2014 at 7:02 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

 

SEE WHAT I HAVE TO WORK WITH, PEOPLE????

 

I remember RTE saying much the same thing about me in the sign up thread. :P

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You guys are fun. I'll leave you in the hands of my co-mod for a while. See y'all in the rmoning.

What's left of you anyway.

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I'm very suspicious that no one else caught despo's error - and yet you are voting for him and think he is mafia.

 

You think that and you can't catch a blatant error? You weren't going to call him on it?

 

I need to think about that.

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  On 4/3/2014 at 7:01 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:32 PM, Pralaya said:

Now, do you see why we are suspecting you? You answered it yourself, while trying to answer me. I know that you have been twisting our actions and trying to portray what has not happened. And, that combined with circumstantial evidence in the game, is clear that I am on the right track.

 

So, you keep using Des as your defense to me. While we are a Hydra, we are 2 distinct players with VERY distinct styles. This is why I wanted to Hydra with him - call it a social experiment. And I do genuinely like the dude when he's not a royal PITA, lol. So, I like him 1% of the time? I jest, I jest.

 

But really, not sure I like using Des' various WoTs as your defense against my simple statement to you.

 

No, I am taking your defense and applying it to Des' posts. Everything what you have said to defend yourself can be used to show how Des' case is scummy and opportunistic. 

 

And, if you read what I said again, that combined with other evidence, which includes your own actions along with Des, is what is making me suspect your team.

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  On 4/3/2014 at 7:06 PM, Ithillian said:

@Despo - you weren't about either. You didn't post anywhere near the game. Were you watching it with verb and hoping it would go past deadline.

 

Again - you said lily was about and you thought she'd hammer. Why would you trust someone you say you thought was mafia to do that?

 

Also - re pral's amazing restart of the lynch ... That happened just after I pointed out on thread that only the mafia had something to gain by a majority not being achieved - I think it was the very next post.

 

Des you need to either stop fibbing or check your own facts before you accuse someone of being wrong/fail. I know you really want us to be discounted but making stuff up isn't the best way to do that.

 

I said I was going to check in case I was wrong - but I wasn't.

 

 

No, you're right. I didn't post-hammer vote, and Lily didn't hammer. I WAS misremembering, now I remember hehe.

 

Tuesday I was really busy with the Champion's game wrapping up, tbh I never checked into this game that day until later that evening. Wasn't around at all around the deadline.

 

And neither was Lily btw. I didn't KNOW about her being around deadline cause I thought I remember seeing her post, I just thought I remembered her being the hammer. That's what I meant when I said Lily was "around at deadline"

 

Lily DID recently hammer in another game close to deadline I remember, and her hammer vote ninjad mine. I get my games mixed up sometimes. /shrug

 

That's besides the point tho. I didn't "trust that Lily would hammer". The situation I was thinking of, I showed up last second right along with her. Wasn't reading posts up to that point.

 

No, I wouldn't trust someone I felt was scum to decide the lynch. You're right on that.

Posted
  On 4/3/2014 at 7:10 PM, Chaelca said:

@TG u don't trust my vote counts ?

 

*glares*

 

He did criticize our yesterdays' counts now that I think about it. I'm giving you a free hand with him.

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  On 4/3/2014 at 7:11 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 7:06 PM, Ithillian said:

 

@Despo - you weren't about either. You didn't post anywhere near the game. Were you watching it with verb and hoping it would go past deadline.

 

Again - you said lily was about and you thought she'd hammer. Why would you trust someone you say you thought was mafia to do that?

 

Also - re pral's amazing restart of the lynch ... That happened just after I pointed out on thread that only the mafia had something to gain by a majority not being achieved - I think it was the very next post.

 

Des you need to either stop fibbing or check your own facts before you accuse someone of being wrong/fail. I know you really want us to be discounted but making stuff up isn't the best way to do that.

 

I said I was going to check in case I was wrong - but I wasn't.

 

No, you're right. I didn't post-hammer vote, and Lily didn't hammer. I WAS misremembering, now I remember hehe.

 

Tuesday I was really busy with the Champion's game wrapping up, tbh I never checked into this game that day until later that evening. Wasn't around at all around the deadline.

 

And neither was Lily btw. I didn't KNOW about her being around deadline cause I thought I remember seeing her post, I just thought I remembered her being the hammer. That's what I meant when I said Lily was "around at deadline"

 

Lily DID recently hammer in another game close to deadline I remember, and her hammer vote ninjad mine. I get my games mixed up sometimes. /shrug

 

That's besides the point tho. I didn't "trust that Lily would hammer". The situation I was thinking of, I showed up last second right along with her. Wasn't reading posts up to that point.

 

No, I wouldn't trust someone I felt was scum to decide the lynch. You're right on that.

You do remember that you did think she was Mafia, right? Part of me want to slam our vote right back on you for that ... Whatdoyacallit? 'Blatant misrepping'

 

It's only that so many people are going awww geee despo that guy - what is he like? When they should be going Burn Despo Burn - that I'm not.

Posted
  On 4/3/2014 at 7:10 PM, Ithillian said:

I'm very suspicious that no one else caught despo's error - and yet you are voting for him and think he is mafia.

 

You think that and you can't catch a blatant error? You weren't going to call him on it?

 

I need to think about that.

 

I completely disregard the argument he was making about votes based on what actually happened, which is that Swaggy P did not vote. 

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 7:10 PM, Chaelca said:

@TG u don't trust my vote counts ?

 

*glares*

 

No no!  I love your VC!  In fact, I'd rather have them from you than CSarmi!  Totally!

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ink the most important thing to remember here is that Despo just admitted to being wrong. I think we should all take a moment to reflect on this. We'll probably never see such a sight ever again in our lifetime

 

:silenceplease:

Posted
  On 4/3/2014 at 7:17 PM, Ithillian said:

ink the most important thing to remember here is that Despo just admitted to being wrong. I think we should all take a moment to reflect on this. We'll probably never see such a sight ever again in our lifetime

 

:silenceplease:

 

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Posted
  On 4/3/2014 at 7:16 PM, TGlems said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 7:10 PM, Ithillian said:

 

I'm very suspicious that no one else caught despo's error - and yet you are voting for him and think he is mafia.

 

You think that and you can't catch a blatant error? You weren't going to call him on it?

 

I need to think about that.

I completely disregard the argument he was making about votes based on what actually happened, which is that Swaggy P did not vote.

  On 4/3/2014 at 7:10 PM, Chaelca said:

@TG u don't trust my vote counts ?

 

*glares*

No no! I love your VC! In fact, I'd rather have them from you than CSarmi! Totally!

Says he ignored it on purpose - when he's supposed to be making a hard fast case on someone and get them lynched.

 

Ok

 

And then flirts with Mod.

 

If Turin touches our vote again I'm going to be vexed.

Posted
  On 4/3/2014 at 7:17 PM, TGlems said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 7:14 PM, Chaelca said:

TG you are in trouble :baalzamon:

 

I'll bribe you with beer?  Pllllllease?

 

well you're good only for this one time ... *creeps back in her lair*

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