[Advanced/Experimental] Mass Effect I - Hydra Game - Game Over

[Verbal32]

  On 4/3/2014 at 5:19 PM, TGlems said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 5:17 PM, Verbal32 said:

I could say the same of you, broseph.

 

You know, somebody said something about sarcasm and how it's scummy or something.  I forget.  Maybe you can remind me.

 

 

Was this humor?  I wasn't being sarcastic in my reply.  You need humor lessons.  Here, tie this rope around your neck and I'll show you how we laugh about it.  :-)

 

 

 

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 5:29 PM, Andrej said:

For one I never viewed Amega's post as a distancing move. At the time I actually found it pretty sound and didn't put a lot of weight into Turin attacking Despo so early in the game as it's become more or less a given for this site. What you say is viable. Yes, Amega could have been looking to garner a little town-cred with your team. I believe that he was actually trying to downplay Turin's case against you.

 

By downplaying Turin's case on me, isn't that the same as garnering town-cred with me?  Do you really see those as separate events?

 

 

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 5:29 PM, Andrej said:

OR - Sure. Removing all assumptions I come to 2 conclusions.

 

1. You were slow playing the lynch. For whatever reason I don't know why.

 

2. You were looking to avoid having to kill a PR on your mafia team and allow the Day to finish in a NL.

 

Second bold: Yeah, I missed them the first time. I was sorta busy grabbing different quotes along the way and then responding to new ones as they popped up. I haven't forgotten about you Verb, don't fret.

Your #2 there goes against the assumptions that Occam's Razor demands.  It assumes the easiest explanation, which is not that I'd be ridiculously obvious and post near the deadline and then allow a NL without any reasoning.  That is just silly.

[hazelkrs1]

  On 4/3/2014 at 1:48 PM, TGlems said:

@SwaggyP. Answer me this. Given that there is no penalty for not achieving a lynch, do you really think SH would have gotten lynched yesterday if PFG hadn't voted them right before DL like they did?

Yes, in fact I know he would have still gotten lynched.

 

Lily and I were both around at deadline to consolidate. Had Pray not voted I would have been the hammer.

 

So yeah, if you think Pray is autotown after his busvote, your skills as a mafia player are a "steaming pile of stench"

[Verbal32]

  On 4/3/2014 at 5:50 PM, BFG said:

So within 30 minutes you go from wanting to lynch them to not thinking they're the best lynch of the day to wanting to lynch them again. Why the change in thought?

 

THIS is the BFG scumhunting I'm used to seeing.  Either this is brilliant scumplay, or you've finally joined the game.  Moving you to null right now until further notice.

 

 

 

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 5:53 PM, Lenlo said:

I never stopped wanting to lynch them. They were on my scum list as was afew others. Anyone on my scum list I want to lynch. Some I want to lynch more, yes, but I still want to lynch them.

 

You can still think someone isnt the best lynch for the day and still want to lynch them.

 

Meh, this isn't really a good response.  You think they are scum, you vote them, but you say they aren't the best lynch?  How is a team you think is scum ever NOT the best lynch?

[hazelkrs1]

Furthermore there were still hours to go before deadline... Pray didn't "renew" the trains life or anything. He quoted someone saying "guess no one wants to lynch SH" and then was like "Well, looks like no one is getting lynched besides SH. Guess I'll vote there."

 

And then doesn't even mention if his target is town or not, or make ANY mention of SH's claim!!!!!!! I can not stress this enough. If a townie is consolidating on someone they think is town, you better be sure they're gonna make some mention of the fact that they're being forced to consolidate on a town PR at deadline. Cause you know, generally speaking townies don't like lynching their power roles.

 

Again, if you think PFG is LOCK CLEAR for that busvote.... You're doing it wrong. Like way wrong.

[Verbal32]

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:02 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 1:48 PM, TGlems said:

@SwaggyP. Answer me this. Given that there is no penalty for not achieving a lynch, do you really think SH would have gotten lynched yesterday if PFG hadn't voted them right before DL like they did?

Yes, in fact I know he would have still gotten lynched.

 

Lily and I were both around at deadline to consolidate. Had Pray not voted I would have been the hammer.

 

So yeah, if you think Pray is autotown after his busvote, your skills as a mafia player are a "steaming pile of stench"

 

 

To add to that, I was around as well.  No way was a NL going through.  But apparently they think we'd just sit idly by, announce our presence with my post, and then ignore and allow our "scum mate" to survive and then assume we won't take major heat for that.

 

 

 

 

FYI, that was sarcasm.

[Lenlo]

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:05 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 5:53 PM, Lenlo said:

I never stopped wanting to lynch them. They were on my scum list as was afew others. Anyone on my scum list I want to lynch. Some I want to lynch more, yes, but I still want to lynch them.

 

You can still think someone isnt the best lynch for the day and still want to lynch them.

 

Meh, this isn't really a good response.  You think they are scum, you vote them, but you say they aren't the best lynch?  How is a team you think is scum ever NOT the best lynch?

 

Cause there were others I thought were scum who would provide more information while at the same time getting rid of a mafia? Its like...

 

SH was scum + alittle info while the other was scum + more info. I would rather take the more info then the less, since im getting scum either way you know?

[Andrej]

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:01 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 5:29 PM, Andrej said:

For one I never viewed Amega's post as a distancing move. At the time I actually found it pretty sound and didn't put a lot of weight into Turin attacking Despo so early in the game as it's become more or less a given for this site. What you say is viable. Yes, Amega could have been looking to garner a little town-cred with your team. I believe that he was actually trying to downplay Turin's case against you.

 

By downplaying Turin's case on me, isn't that the same as garnering town-cred with me?  Do you really see those as separate events?

 

Yes I see them as differently. The situation varies depending on how the person views your alignment in relation to Amega's post.

 

If you are town then yes, Amega could've been trying to defend you in order to get on your good side.

 

If you are scum then yes, Amega could've been trying to defend you for obvious reasons.

 

I believe the latter.

[hazelkrs1]

My God. TG literally said him and PFG can't be scum together because they're openly colluding on thread and that that would be dumb. Apparently he never got the memo that scum will occasionally do the unexpected to try and win. In other words, WIFOMMMMMM. Your team basically got outed by a D1 lynch y'all tried to fight so now all your eggs are in the same basket.

 

Seriously, TG is pushing the most inane drivel I've ever seen him spew. How the freak are people still listening to him?

[Pralaya]

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 3:53 PM, Verbal32 said:

Pushing a 2nd train is not that scummy, even if the original train was scum.  It was obvious that Des & I had ES in our sights as well.  We were happy with a few different teams getting lynched, as I think I even stated in one of the various quotes Turin pulled of mine.

On its own, it is not scummy. But, looking at the context, and all the other events surrounding it, it can indeed be scummy.

 

Case in point:

We now know how important the scum role was. The scum would as well grab an opportunity if available

Des did not want to lynch SH. He himself said that.

It was at this point that the 2nd train was started and pushed

The votes did not shift from the 2nd train even when the deadline was near.

 

Based on all of that, the conclusion is straight forward. If I was just trying to portray something, it is one thing. But, that is not the case here. The read is made on a set of events and that is where it makes sense for me.

 

Also, if you are trying to say that a 2nd train is not necessarily scummy, you do realise that one of the main focus of Des' case on me is that I started a train on Ithi/Turin? How does that correlate with your statement?

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 3:53 PM, Verbal32 said:

I was reluctant?  Did I say that?  You are trying to build a situation and mindset that you can't possibly know.  This is by-the-book scum play -- trying to paint somebody bad based on a post that isn't there.  If you twist a post that is there....well, townies do that sometimes.  But you're trying to speak to a post that doesn't exist.

I did not say that you said that. I am saying that your actions showed that. Again, this is not based on just one action but a read based on a combination of events.

 

And, are you really saying that I am twisting your post? Did you have a look at Des' case on us?

 

We apparently distracted the scum train. Twisting of my wrong read on Thane. There were others, including you, who distracted the scum train.

We apparently bused the scum. Twisting of my consolidation vote. There were many, including you, who did not vote on the scum, probably wanting to lead us to no-lynch.

BFG is apparently not playing in her meta. Twisting of her sparse posts, which she could manage because of her busy schedule.

We apparently reacted bad to his vote. Subjective call. No specific reason other than a feeling.

 

Now, do you see why we are suspecting you? You answered it yourself, while trying to answer me. I know that you have been twisting our actions and trying to portray what has not happened. And, that combined with circumstantial evidence in the game, is clear that I am on the right track.

[BFG]

  On 4/3/2014 at 5:53 PM, Lenlo said:

I never stopped wanting to lynch them. They were on my scum list as was afew others. Anyone on my scum list I want to lynch. Some I want to lynch more, yes, but I still want to lynch them.

 

You can still think someone isnt the best lynch for the day and still want to lynch them.

They were on your mafia list, but not the best lynch? Why didn't you vote or mention the person you thought was the best lynch?

 

Also I've asked a couple of times now, when responding to Cory's reads why were you so coy about why you disagreed?

[Pralaya]

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:06 PM, Despothera said:

Furthermore there were still hours to go before deadline... Pray didn't "renew" the trains life or anything. He quoted someone saying "guess no one wants to lynch SH" and then was like "Well, looks like no one is getting lynched besides SH. Guess I'll vote there."

And, this is yet another example of twisting the facts to adjust your case. This is exactly what I am talking about.

 

The timestamps are right there. I voted just an hour and a few minutes before the deadline. Jack and Verbal were the only one alive and neither looked like switching to the SH train. And, that is when I voted. 

[Pralaya]

*Jack and verbal were the only one online *

[Lenlo]

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:37 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 5:53 PM, Lenlo said:

I never stopped wanting to lynch them. They were on my scum list as was afew others. Anyone on my scum list I want to lynch. Some I want to lynch more, yes, but I still want to lynch them.

 

You can still think someone isnt the best lynch for the day and still want to lynch them.

They were on your mafia list, but not the best lynch? Why didn't you vote or mention the person you thought was the best lynch?

 

Also I've asked a couple of times now, when responding to Cory's reads why were you so coy about why you disagreed?

 

Coy about disagreeing? I was on a phone for the first post. I came back later and give him what he asked for, me pointing out my problems with each and every one of his reads.

 

Also what? I didnt vote them cause there was no chance of moving to them. See that part where I said they were the best lynch we had a chance of getting that day? Ive said this already. Multiple times.

[Pralaya]

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:06 PM, Despothera said:

And then doesn't even mention if his target is town or not, or make ANY mention of SH's claim!!!!!!! 

 

Another example.

 

I have answered numerous times and also linked the post where I mentioned that I thought SH was town. You are just repeating the same things, to reinforce, even after I have clarified all these multiple times. Clearly shows, you have no intention of reading a response and just want to push no matter what the others are saying.

[Tyler Glembo]

  On 4/3/2014 at 4:38 PM, Darthe said:

Reasons PFG is the better lynch than J-Tag:  ultimately rendered irrelevant by them being teammates, however for the purpose of clarity on thread I will respond.

 

Until that point, can I ask why in the world AJ is pushing against the lynch of his only competing train?  I can't seriously believe he thinks them both town trains or that he expects the endeavor will do either of them any good, leading me to think that he has a stronger teammate.  All around it has been a poorly handled situation but I suppose that couldn't be helped with a town that has come out of the gates so strong or a mafia team that has shown themselves this... underwhelming?  I can't think of a polite word to put here.

 

Still waiting.  And was the bold a case of TMI and you know us both to be town? 

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 4:42 PM, Andrej said:

 

 

 

 

 

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  On 4/3/2014 at 4:45 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 4/2/2014 at 7:00 PM, Pralaya said:

My main feeling came when I saw how Verbal failed to vote Thane even when he was online. Why would he delay the vote? At that point, Jack was the only one active among us and it was looking like going to a no-lynch, 

 

Second, it isn't co-incidence that all the three votes on me right now are people who were absent from the scum lynch.

 

Then, both you and Verbal have been talking about both jack and me/BFG since the lynch. Trying to push the next day.

 

It is the combination of all these which is making me FOS you.

 

I give setup and then in bold the interesting parts of the responses.  Pay special attention to the fact that Des/Verb are one hydra and tell me if anyone else is seeing what I am seeing here.  Does anyone catch how Laya tried to slip past his own meta read to use a retaliatory read, thus double dipping on one person?  It is a good use of hydra manipulation but ultimately is flawed.  

 

 

I saw that but viewed it as more getting into semantics than intent of the post.

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 4:47 PM, Darthe said:

It's certainly looking that way.  VD is an odd choice.  

 

 

Swaggy is our top scum read.  So...yeah.

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 4:58 PM, Verbal32 said:

I doubt scum teams up for a brash move like this on YOLO today.  Doesn't fit.  Is Turin the one getting manipulated here?

 

 

Manipulated?  By whom?

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 5:23 PM, Ithillian said:

## vote AJ

 

Seriously give a man an inch and he'll call it six.

 

We're not supposed to be distracting from the Lynch of the day lol.

 

I agree that we need to look at other people.  That is why I'm calling out RTE too.  But I think the case on Swaggy P is solid so to me the most interesting part of RTE's reads and Lenlo's push on BFG is the interplay with Swaggy.

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 5:50 PM, BFG said:

To expand a little.

 

I've spoilered the posts that were made from Amega's claim AMD your game play.

 

So here you still want to lynch them, which is fine (and implied by the lack of unvote)

But here you're saying they're not the best lynch of the day. Did you change your mind or did you always think this? If you always thought this then why have you posted so much fluff I'm the last 20 odd hours instead of explaining who would be a better lynch? Who did you think was a better lynch?

But now you want to lynch them again, so why did you earlier say that they weren't the best lynch for the day?

 

 

So within 30 minutes you go from wanting to lynch them to not thinking they're the best lynch of the day to wanting to lynch them again. Why the change in thought?

 

 

I think you're misreading and stuck on semantics.  I don't get the same thing you're getting out of Len's posts.

 

 

Was this humor?  I wasn't being sarcastic in my reply.  You need humor lessons.  Here, tie this rope around your neck and I'll show you how we laugh about it.  :-)

 

My shenanigans are cheeky and fun.  Your shenanigans are cruel and evil.  Eeeeeevil shenanigans.

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:02 PM, Despothera said:

Yes, in fact I know he would have still gotten lynched.

 

Lily and I were both around at deadline to consolidate. Had Pray not voted I would have been the hammer.

 

So yeah, if you think Pray is autotown after his busvote, your skills as a mafia player are a "steaming pile of stench"

 

 

Oh good, glad to hear you say you would have lynched them.  Especially because yesterday you said you did not want to lynch them. 

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:06 PM, Despothera said:

Furthermore there were still hours to go before deadline... Pray didn't "renew" the trains life or anything. He quoted someone saying "guess no one wants to lynch SH" and then was like "Well, looks like no one is getting lynched besides SH. Guess I'll vote there."

 

And then doesn't even mention if his target is town or not, or make ANY mention of SH's claim!!!!!!! I can not stress this enough. If a townie is consolidating on someone they think is town, you better be sure they're gonna make some mention of the fact that they're being forced to consolidate on a town PR at deadline. Cause you know, generally speaking townies don't like lynching their power roles.

 

Again, if you think PFG is LOCK CLEAR for that busvote.... You're doing it wrong. Like way wrong.

 

I think they are more lock clear than the hydra who said they did not want to lynch SH yesterday.  That hydra being you.

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:06 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

To add to that, I was around as well.  No way was a NL going through.  But apparently they think we'd just sit idly by, announce our presence with my post, and then ignore and allow our "scum mate" to survive and then assume we won't take major heat for that.

 

 

FYI, that was sarcasm.

 

 

Again, it's hard for me to see given your partner stating yesterday he didn't want to lynch them combined with what actually happened. 

 

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:18 PM, Despothera said:

My God. TG literally said him and PFG can't be scum together because they're openly colluding on thread and that that would be dumb. Apparently he never got the memo that scum will occasionally do the unexpected to try and win. In other words, WIFOMMMMMM. Your team basically got outed by a D1 lynch y'all tried to fight so now all your eggs are in the same basket.

 

Seriously, TG is pushing the most inane drivel I've ever seen him spew. How the freak are people still listening to him?

 

Very funny Despo.  I never said that.  I pointed out how you were contradicting yourself by discussing how smart/dumb scum is.  I didn't say we were clear. 

[Tyler Glembo]

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:41 PM, Lenlo said:

 

Coy about disagreeing? I was on a phone for the first post. I came back later and give him what he asked for, me pointing out my problems with each and every one of his reads.

 

Also what? I didnt vote them cause there was no chance of moving to them. See that part where I said they were the best lynch we had a chance of getting that day? Ive said this already. Multiple times.

 

 

Your partner is scummy as hell but you're making sense and I get what you're driving at in bold.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:02 PM, Despothera said:

 

Lily and I were both around at deadline to consolidate. Had Pray not voted I would have been the hammer.

/quote]

 

Is weird but I don't remember you being about at hammer time. Or lily. Jack hammered and verb was about afterwards I think.

 

Also at the time you thought lily was mafia - so even had she been about, why would you have thought she would hammer?

 

Why would you let someone you didn't trust have the responsibility for the lynch being hammered?

 

I'm going to have to go back to the end of the day now and see who was and wasn't actually about. I hope you're happy.

 

But I need to do the pots and stuff first.

[Lenlo]

Thank you. Finally someone understands what it is im saying.

 

As for RTE, look. We cant all have perfect marriages like you and AJ but im in this for the long haul.

[hazelkrs1]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA now I just read AJ saying I'm not looking to clear townies

 

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

 

:laugh:

 

It's official, I can disregard every one of AJ's posts as well. How fun!

 

[hazelkrs1]

  On 4/2/2014 at 2:22 PM, Despothera said:

So.

 

##Vote J-Tag looks like an awesome place to start. Shared read by too many people I trust or that have flipped as town. Then PFG imo, they are also vurry naughty. If game is still going on after that, we can start tinfoiling on peeps like RTL and stuff

 

But as of now, here's where were at:

 

#YOLOHASHSWAGCRUNK

WiFuM

HaXorZ

Clarthe (went @ SH too hard and consistent for bus move imo, and Darthe is on his town meta)

 

are all LOCK CLEAR

 

Seeing STRONG townie vibes from both Spliffanity as well as the Sexy Sistahs. Will not lynch anytime soon.

 

RTL is a mess cause everytime RTE posts they look like scum, everytime Lenlo posts they look town again. Won't say that SH spewed them as town with their sole fos out of one of their reads lists however as that came after SH was under heavy focus iirc so it could have been distancing attempt. If RTE ever gets in line tho they might be able to get themselves in the clear crowd eventually mebbe.

 

Which again, leaves J-TAG and PFG as the other wilves along with SH. Game is #solved.

 

 

Oh look, here's a post of mine from earlier today. Hey everyone, look at me not clearing any townies here!

 

[hazelkrs1]

Oh and here's one little thing to noodle on, for anyone still trying to push that I was trying to derail SH's lynch yesterday-

 

After saying we should set them aside and look for other scum, I eventually did a full reread, and used like thousands of words to show exactly WHY SH was pretty much confirmed scum.

 

If I'm scum trying to derail a train on a teammate, what's the scum motivation in the reminding everyone of all the reasons WHY my teammate is obvscum?

 

Go ahead, I'll wait. (not really, gonna keep on reading )

[Ithillian Turambar]

Stupid quotes. Ah well - I don't mind saying it again in case it gets buried in the avalanche of posts.

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:02 PM, Despothera said:

Lily and I were both around at deadline to consolidate. Had Pray not voted I would have been the hammer.

Is weird but I don't remember you being about at hammer time. Or lily. Jack hammered and verb was about afterwards I think.

 

Also at the time you thought lily was mafia - so even had she been about, why would you have thought she would hammer?

 

Why would you let someone you didn't trust have the responsibility for the lynch being hammered?

I'm going to have to go back to the end of the day now and see who was and wasn't actually about. I hope you're happy.

 

But I need to do the pots and stuff first.

[Tyler Glembo]

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:49 PM, Lenlo said:

Thank you. Finally someone understands what it is im saying.

 

As for RTE, look. We cant all have perfect marriages like you and AJ but im in this for the long haul.

 

[hazelkrs1]

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:49 PM, Ithillian said:

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:02 PM, Despothera said:

 

Lily and I were both around at deadline to consolidate. Had Pray not voted I would have been the hammer.

/quote]

 

Is weird but I don't remember you being about at hammer time. Or lily. Jack hammered and verb was about afterwards I think.

 

Also at the time you thought lily was mafia - so even had she been about, why would you have thought she would hammer?

 

Why would you let someone you didn't trust have the responsibility for the lynch being hammered?

 

I'm going to have to go back to the end of the day now and see who was and wasn't actually about. I hope you're happy.

 

But I need to do the pots and stuff first.

 

The amount you have misremembered events astounds me. I think Turin's fail is leaking through the hydra heads to you or something

 

 

Jack voted SH to get them to L-1. SH claimed Tracker. Jack immediately unvoted. Much ado was made about this.

 

Lily hammered SH. I posted almost at the exact same time, voting SH as well. Had Lily not ninja'd me, I would have been the hammer.

 

Meh, I guess I'll get the votes to prove it to you.

[Tyler Glembo]

  On 4/3/2014 at 6:54 PM, Despothera said:

Oh and here's one little thing to noodle on, for anyone still trying to push that I was trying to derail SH's lynch yesterday-

 

After saying we should set them aside and look for other scum, I eventually did a full reread, and used like thousands of words to show exactly WHY SH was pretty much confirmed scum.

 

If I'm scum trying to derail a train on a teammate, what's the scum motivation in the reminding everyone of all the reasons WHY my teammate is obvscum?

 

Go ahead, I'll wait. (not really, gonna keep on reading )

 

I'll take a crack.  You saw the heat they were getting and expected them to get lynched eventually.  So, as their scum partner, you continue to find them scum (distancing) while focusing on trying to keep them alive by getting a lynch elsewhere.  And, then when they flip scum you use the fact that you knew beforehand that they would as a way to try and coast to endgame.