[Advanced/Experimental] Mass Effect I - Hydra Game - Game Over

Lenlo · March 30, 2014

You may call it a subtle defense if you want, but what I saw there was towny on towny violence and then acouple of others who wanted to try and jump on what they thought would be a quick lynch. Its not that they went after Verb/Des its how they did it.

Darthe · March 31, 2014

On 3/30/2014 at 8:51 PM, Ithillian said:

On 3/30/2014 at 8:48 PM, Darthe said:

On 3/30/2014 at 8:10 PM, Andrej said:

Somebody give me the TLDR version of why Straw Hats is getting voted, plz.

Find it odd that Darthe made that long statement on RTE's psychological state which essentially names him scum, but is voting otherwise.

Based on this post if Straw hat is maf and release the lenlo is town then AJ is mafia. Easy.

On 3/30/2014 at 8:43 PM, amegakure said:

ithi is wrong. I make silly mistakes in almost every game that make me look like scum. The fact that you have no way of knowing my mafia meta since i havent been mafia since my dm return is troubling. Also camping on the thread over the weekend while my life keeps me occupied isnt exactly scum hunting. I reply to question when i have the time and or sobriety..

Also whats wrong with thane asking my opinion. didnt you just try to call us out for having differing opinions on teams. It's a never ending battle with you guys

des/verb seem distant not much swag coming from that direction but got a town lean.

Ithi/turin. Are aggravating but also more of the most active players.

Jack/lily havent seen much from these guys besides a response to wifum. seems like there isnt much conviction there.

Clarthe. watching the show from the sidelines.

rte got a scum read on them.

pfg...null havent seen much play

leelou. is null as well.

Well, I'm convinced. Are you guys convinced? Ithi is wrong people. Trust in Amega.

Darthe sets up future Lynches.

Flatters Ithi.

People don't flatter me and they don't hug and they don't love or say, 'hey Ithi you are great' and stuff. It simply doesn't happen - apart from by Turin. Basically I'm wondering what you are all selling right now.

On 3/30/2014 at 8:48 PM, Darthe said:

On 3/30/2014 at 8:44 PM, Ithillian said:

On 3/30/2014 at 8:41 PM, Jack_D said:

On 3/30/2014 at 8:37 PM, Ithillian said:

On 3/30/2014 at 8:33 PM, Jack_D said:
Lol glad you caught that as well. Seems very scummy don't ya think?
That's not a term I use. Lazy players use it when they can't explain why they are doing the things they are doing. I always give a real reason.

<3 lol I remember all our talks on people saying stuff was scummy cause well it's scummy but not giving a reason. Good times

Jack is buddying me. Turin is not going to like that.

He might vote you and stuff.

...eww

Do you read the thread in full or what parts you want to read Ithi?

Andrej · March 31, 2014

Confrontational Darthe is confrontational.

Still down for those dak pics? lol

I have a question for you Darthe. Could you explain your linking scenario a little more for me? You're voting Straw Hats, I believe... but also putting down RTE's reads post as a psy-scum tell.

Therefore you think Straw Hats is scum as well as RTL.

RTL is now voting Straw Hats.

Does this disrupt your scenario in any way?

How does me pointing out your statement towards RTE make me scum with Straw Hats (if they are scum) and RTL more likely to be town?

Andrej · March 31, 2014

The Ithurin/Lilack back and forth is a bit tiring. Leaning town for WiFuM, judgement reserved for the Evil Sibs. I always read Jack as scum in the two games I've played with him, and he was town in both. Don't wanna repeat that Call of Cthulhu game lol

I think Len redeemed his slot a bit with that catch-up post.

I don't find Amega/Thane overly scummy for any reason. Thane's post read more newbish to me, and I doubt he would be so freely joking around on thread if he had an internalized guilt. I actually liked Amega's post early on where he is pointing out Turin's instant scumread on Verbothera, which we can all expect as mandatory at this point.

Think Hallia's vote on Straw Hats was a bit scummy.

Clarthe is looking worse to me.

Not too sure about Krap (Spliffanity). I think Dap invests a little too much on reactions. Some players are more reactionary than others, it doesn't make them bad. I don't find it weird or suspect that Cloud asked for specific reasons since Leelou had put her vote on them multiple times.

Don't like how the #Yoloboys have dropped off the face of the game. Despo's entrance and early game buddying to Cory/Monk was pretty gross. Definitely not good vibes from their sort, I think they'll make the best lynch of all today.

Sort of suspect of the SS girls. Someone pointed out earlier (Jack maybe?) that their little dispute about who to vote allows them to play both sides of the fence. Leelou has reason for not being active but Tina's sniping post earlier gives me bad juju. I'd like to see more from her when/if she catches up and posts again.

Pral's game entrance gave me bad juju as well but I like how he is pushing the SS girls. He is usually an outlier when it comes to voting as town I have noticed, so I retract the early scum read. Would like to see more from BFG though, if she is town it will soon be apparent.

Andrej · March 31, 2014

I missed CRUNK apparently: they can be null. Don't like how they're using the #alliance shtick as a reason to sheep their votes, but laziness doesn't make them scum. Will give them more time to settle in with a new player pool and see how that goes.

amegakure · March 31, 2014

what exactly is it about clarthe that bothers you. i dont have much of a history with him.. and the one game i did play he was just as mysterious as he is now.

btw WIfum that was directed towards turin not ithi. since me not replying to ithi promptly was a scumtell for turin. surprise surpise.

On 3/30/2014 at 9:16 PM, Ithillian said:
Oh yes. I never said anything about him not being about much. I wonder why he said that I did.

Not many people have been about much hence ---> le weekend, but I don't mind. I don't think I've ever called anyone out for inactivity cos you know - people all play different and that's cool.

It's even in my rules when I host the odd game.

Yup ... feel free to camp away. I'm not going to stop you.

Andrej · March 31, 2014

On 3/30/2014 at 7:58 PM, Chaelca said:

Vote Count - 1.10

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

YoloHashSwag (1) - J-TAG

Clarthe (1) - Spliffanity

Straw Hats (5) - Clarthe, HaXorz, WIFUM, SexySisters, RTL

WiFuM (2) - YoloHashSwag, CRUNK

RTL (2) - Straw Hats, Evil Siblings

Sexy Sisters (1) - PFG

not voting : -

Deadline: Deadline-D1

This should be current.

Andrej · March 31, 2014

On 3/30/2014 at 11:20 PM, Turin Turambar said:

partially answered before. I would still like to hear if you both think that Lenlo's reasoning is sound. Do you follow what he is basing his reads on. Or if you would do you think he is genuine on his beliefs or is he trying to sell something.

Lily currently has mafia reads on the following:

RTLenlo

Haxorz

WiFuM

Straw Hats

Do you agree with those? I assume that you do agree with RTL and most likely HaXorz, how about WiFuM and Straw Hats?

Lily is voting a scumread along with her other scumread.

Curious.

Evil Sibs can slide to leaning scum.

LilyElizabeth · March 31, 2014

On 3/31/2014 at 12:52 AM, Andrej said:

On 3/30/2014 at 11:20 PM, Turin Turambar said:

partially answered before. I would still like to hear if you both think that Lenlo's reasoning is sound. Do you follow what he is basing his reads on. Or if you would do you think he is genuine on his beliefs or is he trying to sell something.

Lily currently has mafia reads on the following:

RTLenlo

Haxorz

WiFuM

Straw Hats

Do you agree with those? I assume that you do agree with RTL and most likely HaXorz, how about WiFuM and Straw Hats?

Lily is voting a scumread along with her other scumread.

Curious.

Evil Sibs can slide to leaning scum.

Now, I find this interesting. It's not impossible that Strawhats could be bussing. I mean parking your vote on a teammate who has no (or one) other votes is a pretty safe thing for scum to do, wouldn't you say, AJ?

Andrej · March 31, 2014

I think bussing would more so apply in the sense that the person they were voting were in fact their known teammate and was inevitably going to be lynched.

Parking his vote on a partner is a viable strategy, yes.

Swapping from one 'scumread' to another as the original 'scumread' is getting within lynch range is also viable.

LilyElizabeth · March 31, 2014

Are you implying that that's what we did? It's not.

I can't speak for Jack, but I'm willing to switch to StrawHats to consolidate after they've had a chance to speak. They are at L-2 now.

Darthe · March 31, 2014

On 3/31/2014 at 12:22 AM, Andrej said:

Confrontational Darthe is confrontational.

Still down for those dak pics? lol

I have a question for you Darthe. Could you explain your linking scenario a little more for me? You're voting Straw Hats, I believe... but also putting down RTE's reads post as a psy-scum tell.

Therefore you think Straw Hats is scum as well as RTL.

RTL is now voting Straw Hats.

Does this disrupt your scenario in any way?

How does me pointing out your statement towards RTE make me scum with Straw Hats (if they are scum) and RTL more likely to be town?

I tend to think that I have a likelihood of being right rather than treating my reads as absolutes. I present them on thread that way for weight. In any case im voting the more likely and FoSing the less but both remain viable candidates.

Andrej · March 31, 2014

On 3/31/2014 at 1:12 AM, LilyElizabeth said:

Are you implying that that's what we did? It's not.

I can't speak for Jack, but I'm willing to switch to StrawHats to consolidate after they've had a chance to speak. They are at L-2 now.

I'm implying that it's something you could have done. Every action is basically a two-way street.

On 3/31/2014 at 1:13 AM, Darthe said:

On 3/31/2014 at 12:22 AM, Andrej said:

Confrontational Darthe is confrontational.

Still down for those dak pics? lol

I have a question for you Darthe. Could you explain your linking scenario a little more for me? You're voting Straw Hats, I believe... but also putting down RTE's reads post as a psy-scum tell.

Therefore you think Straw Hats is scum as well as RTL.

RTL is now voting Straw Hats.

Does this disrupt your scenario in any way?

How does me pointing out your statement towards RTE make me scum with Straw Hats (if they are scum) and RTL more likely to be town?

I tend to think that I have a likelihood of being right rather than treating my reads as absolutes. I present them on thread that way for weight. In any case im voting the more likely and FoSing the less but both remain viable candidates.

Lol I tend to think the same myself.

Why do you think Straw Hats is the most likely? You have already explained your take on RTL so I won't ask you to repeat that.

In short you're saying you would be cool lynching either?

Andrej · March 31, 2014

You started the wagon iirc.

Sedai · March 31, 2014

Ummm I picked up the reasoning on straw hats. And got called out for my reasoning on thanes overly jumpy omgus vote. And have since voted and pointed out things. I've also listed them along with Hallia and rte as my top reads for scum. And I have no problem nor does lily with voting them. But you will not try to twist our arms to do so. Why do you want them lynched so bad ATM?

Turin Turambar · March 31, 2014

On 3/30/2014 at 11:25 PM, Jack_D said:

Strawhats I back 100% as mafia read

Null read on yourself and Ithi. Your questions seem to be good and genuine if a little redundant.

Like I said I'm going to wait and see on Lenlo but his subtle defense of hash swag has my eyebrows raised and couple that with his teammates earlier stuff that's got me believing them to be scum.

Turin, why are you trying to get me to account only for Lenlo and not RTE, or them as a whole for their actions, yet you have no such stipulation on straw hats?

What are your thoughts on Lenlo's reads?

What's your thoughts on Hallia's town vs town fence sitting statement, and my opinion on it?

Would also like ithi's take

okay.

Do you have Verbathera as a mafia read? is that why you are questioning Lenlo for defending them? You didn't invoke the TMI clause like you did on Hallia earlier so I am curious.

I am already aware of your take on RTE. He says things that are dumb frequently. My point in asking about Lenlo was that it appeared Lily was defending him some when Ithi and I were asking why he was up to date on the jokes but not the thread. I guess the other part of it was did you find Len townish or well trained mafia?

I don't agree with all of his reads but I can see how he could come to the conclusions he reached. At least as far as his mafia reads go. I don't agree with the number of people that he is showing as town unless it is just by sheer numbers that everyone can't be mafia. The Dap/Krak team being firmly in the town column strikes me as off. BFG/Pral also to a lesser extent.( I also have them low on my suspect list but it IS BECAUSE EVERYONE CAN'T BE MAFIA)

I think your comment on Hallia was a bit of a reach. And I thought you called her out for having TMI in the town v. town situation. Not that she was fence sitting. Frequently people are hesitant to get involved in my discussions with Despo (and in this case verb).

Ithi is currently asleep and working tomorrow so she will be less available than today. I will be less available also as I will be working too. So I will be here as long as I can tonight.

Andrej · March 31, 2014

I never said I wanted them lynched.

I'm actually trying to figure out how they have so many votes because frankly, I don't see it.

Lenlo · March 31, 2014

If your wondering about the town list Turin, its not that they are 100% town. Each person on that part of the list is town to a varying degree, some more or less so than others. For instance with BFG/Pral they are town based on what few posts they have made, but only barely. Like they are right on the border between town and null but I am leaning towards town. I can order them by how much I think they are town/null/scum if you want.

Sedai · March 31, 2014

Actually Lenlo parroting Hallia has just added fuel to the fire that I think of him being scum.

Verb and Despo I had no real opinion on until I saw Lenlo trying to peel heat back or at least that's what it appeared to look like to me.

Again I found Len to be Len. His post and attitude has mostly been linear from his other appearance in the last game I played with him. However some of the content like I said has raised eyebrows

Lenlo · March 31, 2014

I parrotted Hallia? Im pretty sure I called her out afew times in there.

Turin Turambar · March 31, 2014

This was your post I believe that you were referring to. Please correct me if I am wrong... No where am I even mentioned. If you can show where I said that you had failed to answer a question promptly was a mafia tell for you I would be grateful.

On 3/30/2014 at 8:43 PM, amegakure said:

ithi is wrong. I make silly mistakes in almost every game that make me look like scum. The fact that you have no way of knowing my mafia meta since i havent been mafia since my dm return is troubling. Also camping on the thread over the weekend while my life keeps me occupied isnt exactly scum hunting. I reply to question when i have the time and or sobriety..

Also whats wrong with thane asking my opinion. didnt you just try to call us out for having differing opinions on teams. It's a never ending battle with you guys

des/verb seem distant not much swag coming from that direction but got a town lean.

Ithi/turin. Are aggravating but also more of the most active players.

Jack/lily havent seen much from these guys besides a response to wifum. seems like there isnt much conviction there.

Clarthe. watching the show from the sidelines.

rte got a scum read on them.

pfg...null havent seen much play

leelou. is null as well.

Turin Turambar · March 31, 2014

On 3/31/2014 at 1:12 AM, LilyElizabeth said:

Are you implying that that's what we did? It's not.

I can't speak for Jack, but I'm willing to switch to StrawHats to consolidate after they've had a chance to speak. They are at L-2 now.

Amega is here, or was not too long ago. Ask and perhaps he will answer. If he has enough time and/or sobriety.

Thane is probably asleep since he lives in Belgium.

Sedai · March 31, 2014

On 3/31/2014 at 1:36 AM, Lenlo said:
I parrotted Hallia? Im pretty sure I called her out afew times in there.

Town vs town violence comment. She was the first to say it. Found it odd when she did. Also found it odd when you did.

Lenlo · March 31, 2014

On 3/31/2014 at 2:09 AM, Jack_D said:

On 3/31/2014 at 1:36 AM, Lenlo said:
I parrotted Hallia? Im pretty sure I called her out afew times in there.

Town vs town violence comment. She was the first to say it. Found it odd when she did. Also found it odd when you did.

Ah. Well I hadnt seen she said it when I was writing it up so :P

The cons of making a play by play when you catch up.

amegakure · March 31, 2014

turin you sooo snarky... its cute :) and i will at once find your post!

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