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nervositee Community Regular

nervositee

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Would be very helpful at this point if everyone just gave their reads on everyone, instead of just posting random votes, or carrying on the X train. I'm struggling to keep my eyes up so I'll get to it tomorrow. Thank you. 

nervositee Community Regular

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Coffee-fueled skimmed-re-read-reads:

 

1. Amega - town
2. Vos
3. Darthe - "Would like to claim mafia". Derails d1 completely with some policy statement to start an off-topic discussion. BS move, but not alignment-indicative. Town game. Leaning town. 
4. Csarmi - Male morhpling, vanilla town, died N1
5. Xtra - Hell bent on not giving a solid opinion. "Sorry that I missed deadline guys, thought it would be when I woke up but it was around 2 in the morning or so." is Meh. Probably scum. 

6. Pral - Not a big fan of him grasping at a distancing between me and darthe because I voted him with the explanation that he was playing anti-town, giving us as his only scum-reads and csarmi and verb as town-reads without explanation. Follows up with a weak case on Lenlo for trying to find out the clock mechanics. Pushes for Amega-lynch. Scum?
7. TG - Mason?
8. Monk - Seems like he is just skimming and asking alot of questions he'd known if he actually followed the game. Spends more time complaining about people not participating, than actually doing that himself. Which leads me to think maybe he is scum trying to coast by in the background, trying for some "hey, look, I'm all for townie, man!"-points. But would like to see some thoughts from him before I make up my mind. Null but suspicious
9. Dap - Made a decent case on me and dice, even though it fell through. But observant and clearly looking to catch scum. Leaning town. 
10. Verb - Fed the distraction D1. Also tried to divert the train from X to Amega (town). Making sure to distance himself from both. Generally been vague and keeping his head down. Leaning scum. 

11. Krak - eager to get the party started. Having a hard time reading him. Will do an ISO tomorrow.  
12. Time BFG - Spent most of her time focusing on triggers instead of catching scum. Wanna let BFG ease into it before I give a read. 
13. Dice - Enobaria, 1x Strongarm, lynched D1
14. Hallia - Coy and following where it fits. Got the formatting wrong day 1 and immediately got a big bold comment from the mod on the proper formatting. Then does it again D2, making town lose their lynch, saving X and giving mafia a "free kill". Being very "oops, teehee" about it. Defends herself with a feeble "I'm not scum. I'm town". Probably scum. 
15. Lenlo - Mason?
16. Rhea Tress - Been playing a solid game since Tress came in. Liked that she pointed out the silence-effect to clear up confusion, then refuses to vote him when he can't defend himself. Leaning town. 

nervositee Community Regular

nervositee

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Okey - I thought about playing it cool - but heading to bed now, and thinking about it, I think I'll just toss out the torch, get this party started. Would still like everyone to post some reads, but first of all:

 

Verb is scum. Probably the roleblocker. Darthe is town. 

Verb visited Darthe and Amega tonight. 

 

## Vote Verbal

Xthrax Experienced

Xthrax

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There seems to be a lot of cases and votes on me and missed being the lynch by luck. So firstly ##Vote Verbal.

 

I will be addressing the cases on me in my subsequent post.

Xthrax Experienced

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Firstly I apologize for not posting. I have no excuse, just initially waited to see how all of this would build up. Now I'll devote my attention to all of this. Anyway,

 

 

I would like to hard claim mafia and see what all of you do.

 

This claim may or may not be accurate and has no more weight than a claim of town, but let us postulate on what affect it has to make a legitimate null claim with a negative stigma associated with it rather than a positive.

 

Shall we?

 

The post that started the game. Darthe I agree that you have achieved what you stated as what you intended-to jump start the game & to get reactions. But I feel that a less chaotic-at-best start would have been. It started the game all right but not in a good way. Now there are two ways to look at it.

 

1. You as town just meant to start the game but chose the most chaotic way to do so. The best thing is to ignore it and go along with that game has started.

2. You as scum decided to go for a big gamble and stated outright that you were scum. Confusion was spread but most after commenting that it was bad way to start ignored it with no one voting you. But if you were scum this achieved the intent that you had-not be voted very early, cause confusion and be dismissed for a while.

 

This has caused considerable confusion but has also garnered reactions. It is a case of wifom-have you or have you not been telling the truth.

 

What am I going to do for now-it doesn't warrant enough for a outright suspicion on you but yes it will do good to see what follows. 

 

 

 

Sorry that I missed deadline guys, thought it would be when I woke up but it was around 2 in the morning or so.

 

 

 

Hey folks, I'm gonna be a little scarce for a couple days - got the stomach flu and am recovering - mostly in bed.

I need to catch up from my last post (a few pages, so mot much), so that'll be my priority once I'm back.


Get well soon

 

 

 

I tried to get a feel for X's play, but he has been extremely consistent in not making a stand at all. Logging on and finding something unrelevant to comment on to keep his post-count up. Leaning scum here. 

 

Here was the first case for me-Vos

 

Like I said it wasn't in anyway omission or trying not to make a stand. At that point, Darthe's 'like to claim scum' caused a lot of confusion and I was giving my opinion. But then I have posted a little more than that. I have addressed Csarmi's reads and a few more other posts before I fell of. 

 

Vote: Xthrax best target we have right now, as scum is lurking hard.

I can understand the rest who couldn't talk but you could. This was right in the middle of the day not even close to the deadline-there was a whole RL day left. But you want to start a new train? I can understand this kind of talk near the deadline but this was far from it. And repeating what Vos said does in no way give you a case or give credibility to you vote. Clearly just following/sheeping Vos. This looks like someone hoping for an easy start to a bandwagon.

 

 

OK, scanning back through my notes from last night on Amega, X and Krak.
 
Since it looks like Amega can't defend himself at this point, I'm not interested in voting him today - many of the things I found reading through his ISO that pinged me don't necessarily indicate he is mafia, but stuck out as strange and I think he deserves the chance to respond in case I'm reading him wrong.  I've only played one complete game with him that i recall, and we were mafia together in that one - so I can't rely on meta to give me a good gut read here.   After day ends I'll take the time to go through and post a proper case and let him respond to see if he can ease my mind here.
 
X has been very inactive and hasn't contributed anything of note at this point - if I had to guess I'd say he probably is the one Mish and Des are looking for a replacement for.  My summary of his ISO:
 
* Says Hello
* Chimes in on book info with clock wedges, notes gamemakers spun the clock when tributes started to figure out the setup
* Tries to clarify who was affected by the first two wedges, asks for clarification if they can say what the effect is before it has passed
* Apologizes for inactivity - busy with school, will post as he can catch up
* Fence sitting on Darthe's "scum claim"
* Questions Darthe on why figuring out whether a scum claim is a town tell or a mafia tell is of benefit to town.
* States he doesn't think Csarmi's past town claims have derailed games, while Darthe's scum claim did, asks Darthe what he would have done if someone else had claimed scum.  States Csarmi's reads list is built on inconsequential things
* Asks Csarmi to clarify length of his double vote effect
* Suggests Csarmi's reads list should have more null reads... asks Csarmi if he dislikes Verbal nudging his scumminess because he has "hit the mark"
* Agrees with Verb that Vos's counterclaim to Dice is how to jumpstart a lagging day phase
* Apologizes for missing day deadline, misunderstood when it would be
* Wishes Verb to get well soon
 
There isn't much at all here, but what there is really doesn't look good - especially his interactions with Csarmi.
 

Of the three, Xthrax looks the worst IMO.

 

##Vote Xthrax

So your case was built up on-there wasn't much so lets proceed. What about my interactions with Csarmi? Is there something you'd like to state? You have tried to formulate a case at least, so I'd like to hear more from you. 

 

I feel like Pral is trying to tell us something.  I know he can only vote, but his continued persistence on the revoting Amega leads me to believe he knows something.  But we're getting closer to the deadline than I'm comfortable with.

 

Vote Xthrax

 

 

I'm gonna assume that this was done 'cause of deadline approaching but then there was still considerable time. I'd like to hear more.

 

The rest were consolidation votes and people who couldn't talk. Verbal's lynch is a good way to progress since he's been found as scum, but I'd like to hear from everyone.

 

In my next post, I'll give my reads list-but it may take quite a while.

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Okey - I thought about playing it cool - but heading to bed now, and thinking about it, I think I'll just toss out the torch, get this party started. Would still like everyone to post some reads, but first of all:

 

Verb is scum. Probably the roleblocker. Darthe is town. 

Verb visited Darthe and Amega tonight. 

 

## Vote Verbal

 

Excellent work. 

 

## vote Verbal

 

Will update reads list and flesh out my thoughts about X a little more while I eat dinner.

Xthrax Experienced

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2. Vos-He was one of those who commented on the Darthe claim in the beginning. It all is mostly speculation. Talks about the effect of wedges. He was initially on the Dice train and tried to get it started subsequently has claimed tracker. 

Vos seems to be actively scum hunting coupled with is claim gives a town feel.


3. Darthe-Derailed the discussion in the beginning with his mafia claim but its not really much to go for alignment-indicative but a dumb way to start discussion. After discussing all that he didn't post much. Comes in and poses questions to Krak and Amega. Says that he won't read if not one line. Vos has said that Darthe is town. He was a a null-to maybe scum read for derailing with unneeded discussion but then Vos's statement has come. There is an easy way to test this, Lynch Verb today-if he's scum Vos's reads work and Darthe is town.

 

6. Pral-Gave rather a good opinion on Darthe's derailment. He has responded well to Amega's questions on him and is scum-hunting. He has questioned Len before his mason claim. But also what looks suspicious is his vote and case on Amega who has flipped town. Overall he gives a mixed feel.

 

7. TG-Your main post was your catching up one. Your cases seems alright but there is one thing. You have given very little about Krak-just that he didn't case you but did vote. You have given Amega and Pral more in-depth opinions. Your case on Krak basically consists of him not voting you. Seems very suspicious to me. You have claimed mason along with Lenlo. Currently you seems suspicious, but your mason claim feels like to wait and watch.


8. Monk-One of my scum reads at the moment. A lot of inconsequential talk about Darthe's early post. Nudges Csarmi, but also leaving room to back track saying that I have seen him like this before. He has been sheeping quite a lot. I agree with this, I agree with that without making a clear stance of his own. Agrees with Len on Amega case without saying anything else. Saying that I was the best target when it is quite far from deadline-looks really like someone trying to get an easy lynch. Has nudged and fos'd 2 confirmed towns.


9. Dap-Gives a lot of talk about the effect of sectors. Fos'd CS, says that he was trying to make Verbal look bad-gives suspicion saying that he has got him as town but seems more mafia than Verbal. His first comment is on a joke vote TG has made. Trying too hard? Gives a lot of talk about mechanic and introduces wifom by saying that mafia might be immune to the wedges. Gives a lot of opinion on what dice has said. This will be useful but it seems like everything is based on Dice.

 

Puts out that Vos and Dice maybe bepulling a gambit. he foses a lot of people-Darthe, Vos, TG Amega, Pral etc. He says that Dice did sector talk when he was doing the same thing. His scummiest read was Amega. But he voted Krak going over Amega cause he seems somewhat scummy. Then says that lets vote krak to get some pressure on him.

 

Read-scummy


10. Verb-Outed as scum by Vos

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Updated reads:

 

2. Vos: I have no doubt he is town at this point.
 
3. Darthe: Baffling. Supremely unhelpful. Appears to be phoning it in right now.  Unfortunately this does not mean anything when it comes to his alignment, so... meh. Will see when we find out what Verb is whether he looks to be likely town.
 
5. Xthrax: Specifically, I didn't like that he was pressuring Csarmi about not having enough null reads in his list - usually fake reads lists include too many nulls as mafia tries to avoid taking a strong position on other players.  I also felt the questioning about whether he disliked Verbal's nudging because he hit a mark was scummy.  I want to revisit my thoughts on him later once he's given his reads, and once we see what we have in Verbal.
 
6. Pral: I'm not entirely comfortable that he was still emphatically going for Amega's lynch after it was clear that both of them were silenced and Amega wouldn't be able to claim or defend himself - however, with Amega being the NK choice Pral may be being set up.  We'll see - keeping an eye out here. 
 
7. TG: I trust the mason claim.
 
8. Monk: I really have no idea how to read him - he hasn't said anything he can be pinned down on.  *prods*
 
9. Dap: Still have a slight town lean on him - I just re-read his posts and while he did vote Krak "for pressure" he has been pretty transparent with his thought process.
 
10. Verb: In my quick first impressions list I had a "nebulous good feeling" about him - I started reconsidering that pretty quickly.  I really had a hard time believing that Verb wouldn't have considered the likelihood of a silence effect. Vos is a newer player and may not have been in or read many games where there's a silencer, but I usually expect Verbal to have a better grasp of game mechanics than I do.  I look forward to his flip, which will most likely revise my opinions about some of my other reads.
 
11. Krak: Still leaning scum - nothing more from him since my notes in this post
 
12. BFG: Reserving judgment until BFG has had a chance to play more.
 
14. Hallia: Leaning scum. Needs to give us her thoughts if she wants to convince us otherwise.
 
15. Lenlo: I trust the mason claim.
Pralaya Master

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First, ##vote Verbal

 

Regarding my going after Amega, yes, I had a strong scum feeling on him. Although Xthrax is leaning scum, I was/am not entirely sold on him as scum. Between Amega and Xthrax, I thought Amega was scum - based on his posts and the other reasons that I had specified in my post. 

dapianoplay3r Spam Master

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Btw, what does Oracle do?

 

Most of the time they get to ask the mod questions about the set up of the game. There is usually some form of restriction like yes/no questions or only 2 questions per game.

 

##vote verbal

 

I believe that puts him at L-1 ATM

nervositee Community Regular

nervositee

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Btw, what does Oracle do?

Most of the time they get to ask the mod questions about the set up of the game. There is usually some form of restriction like yes/no questions or only 2 questions per game.

 

##vote verbal

 

I believe that puts him at L-1 ATM

 

 

Gotta love accidental hammers. 

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