[Advanced] Catching Fire mafia - Game over!

[Lenlo]

Amega did you say "Looks to be held in high regard by town"?

 

Why use that wording? Are you not also town? Cause that looks like it could be a slip to me. And even if it isn't it doesn't look good. Is quote but phone

[amegakure]

Yes i said your claim looks to be held in high regard. As in for the time being people believe it.. im also on of them. 

 

And pray, it very well could be a possibility that sectors change that was a thing in the movie.. You fished because WOT didnt give those details in his post.. if he wanted to share i think he could have with out your assistance. 

[Pralaya]

Yes i said your claim looks to be held in high regard. As in for the time being people believe it.. im also on of them. 

 

And pray, it very well could be a possibility that sectors change that was a thing in the movie.. You fished because WOT didnt give those details in his post.. if he wanted to share i think he could have with out your assistance. 

 

Wheeloftime claimed AFTER her effect was over, on one of the sectors whose effects we already knew. How does it matter if the sector effects change later? What does that have to do wit my asking her? 

[Pralaya]

Besides, coming up with a new theory when there is practically all evidence that the effects don't change (with people getting the same effects twice at 9'o clock), looks like scrambling desperately for a paper-thin case.

[amegakure]

If it is so paper thin then why are you worried. 

[Pralaya]

Responding to cases is called "being worried" nowadays? Good to know.

[amegakure]

well you say it was paper thin. you could have dismissed it without all the fluff. Just out here looking for reactions mate. 

[Tyler Glembo]

Apologies guys, I was traveling for work yesterday and got stuck at the airport due to flight delays.  And my phone died.  And my charger was in my suitcase.  Ugh. 

 

As for D1, I had no read on Dice and he was my joke vote, so I flipped my vote to Darthe as I thought Darthe had done the most to derail any scumhunting.  As I said, at first it looked Darthe and CS looked town on town to me, but after it took up all D1 I looked back at it and changed my mind.  Once Dice flipped scum, CS went at me for the vote change, and then CS was NK'd I figured scum would come after me hard to try and pin it on me.  I was hoping everyone else would see that it was just too obvious and back off after I went in depth defending myself.  So, catching up...

 

 

 

 

 

@TG game was dead before Darthe started his fun. Also why the 180-turn?

At first I viewed it as no big deal and took what Darthe did as a mostly null/slight town move to fish for reactions, see who would jump, etc.. But now, looking back at D1 now there has been absolutely nothing of consequence that happened and it started with Darthe's derailment and continued lecturing.ALSO, DEADLINE PEOPLE!

Well I don't think that discussion is the reason people been playing slacky.So what about this alternate theory. You're making your U-turn because at this rate your scummate Dice is getting lynched and thus you need to try and find a mislynch somewhere.

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

 

Krak jumps on this at N1, making it clear that he knew which direction he was D2. 

 

After reading back through, these posts stuck out to me.

 

 

 

I would like to hard claim mafia and see what all of you do.

 

This claim may or may not be accurate and has no more weight than a claim of town, but let us postulate on what affect it has to make a legitimate null claim with a negative stigma associated with it rather than a positive.

 

Shall we?

 

The post that started the game. Darthe I agree that you have achieved what you stated as what you intended-to jump start the game & to get reactions. But I feel that a less chaotic-at-best start would have been. It started the game all right but not in a good way. Now there are two ways to look at it.

 

1. You as town just meant to start the game but chose the most chaotic way to do so. The best thing is to ignore it and go along with that game has started.

2. You as scum decided to go for a big gamble and stated outright that you were scum. Confusion was spread but most after commenting that it was bad way to start ignored it with no one voting you. But if you were scum this achieved the intent that you had-not be voted very early, cause confusion and be dismissed for a while.

 

This has caused considerable confusion but has also garnered reactions. It is a case of wifom-have you or have you not been telling the truth.

 

What am I going to do for now-it doesn't warrant enough for a outright suspicion on you but yes it will do good to see what follows. 

 

 

Filler post that rubs me the wrong way.  Mostly obvious info that allows X to fence-sit without taking a firm stance on the biggest interaction to date.

 

 

I don't like the point of Darthe's "may claim mafia" post. He claimed it as a high-risk maneuver but I disagree. It falls into the category of so-obvious-he-cannot-be-mafia and which seems to be exactly what he is aiming at.

 

Looking back at his posts this seems strange. He starts off with this, out of nowhere. All because vos said that he finds everybody null?

 

Strong town lean on Vos

 

Then his next post where he misleads

 

 

I would like to hard claim mafia and see what all of you do.

 

This claim may or may not be accurate and has no more weight than a claim of town, but let us postulate on what affect it has to make a legitimate null claim with a negative stigma associated with it rather than a positive.

 

Shall we?

 

 

And, the first person to vote him is 

 

Double-meh

 

##Vote Darthe

 

 

I have a feeling that it is a distancing act set up by Darthe and vos. Also, don;t think it is a coincidence that they had a connection earlier, 

 

Csarmi feels town as he has been forthcoming with his effects, especially the Double Vote, which could be a very important effect on the deadline day. Also, getting a town vibe from verbal, especially during the darthe-csarmi debate.

 

Scum: Darthe, Vos

Null/Need to see more: Rhea, Amega, Xthrax, Monk,  Dap, Krak, Time, TG, Dice, Hallia, Lenlo

Town: Csarmi, Verbal

 

##vote Darthe

 

 

Just out of curiosity, why vote Darthe instead of Vos?  Is it because you think Darthe is likelier to have a power role, or because you think he's the better player?  Or neither?

 

 

 

@CS-

1. There hasn't been much going on. So since people have posted quite less shouldn't they be a null read?

 

For instance your read on Rhea-You say she hasn't posted much, only a question to Dice about how he came up with his list of players. And that makes you lean town on her?

Dap's post-where he said that it was good that he didn't miss but that the game is very quite. That gives you a bad impression and a mixed read.

You read Amega as leaning scum because he said all the talk about Darthe's claim is making his brain hurt, asking if mafia would lurk and commenting on Darthe's play.

 

All of your reasons are nothing solid but you read them as leaning town/mafia?

 

2. I have no comment on that. But Hallia post to which you refer was just part of the initial fluff.

 

Oh ok.

 

My opinion on Darthe's jump starting post. I was giving my thoughts on two possible reasons he may have said so. I also said that it caused quite a bit of confusion, derailment and is wifom. So I will follow what comes next closely.

 

One more thing that I noticed Csarmi, you said that you dislike Verbal nudging your scummyness. What do you mean? Are you stating that his nudging hit a mark and his nudging was to something thats there?

 

Wow, that was a scummy leading question.  X obviously knew this wasn't what CS actually meant because if he had he wouldn't have posted it in the form of a question and he would have followed it up.  X is not looking good.

 

 

Alright thanks CS, sorry. Musta missed that. Been reading on my phone past few days.

Vote Dice

 

This is a classic bandwagon vote.  Jumps on with no reasoning whatsoever. 

 

 

##Vote TG

 

Krak then cases everywhere else but votes me.  Strange because he had already laid the ground for voting me at night. 

 

Everyone, who would you like to vote?

 

Darthe, you're still being unhelpful.

 

there you go! i like the casing. Thats a solid reason for voting TG. And No BIG WORDS don't frighten me i was just afraid i was gonna have to call you a hypocrite for the vote. But you backed it up rather well. 

 

Amega jumps in with Krak but doesn't vote

 

I think that's a really good argument for TG.  And someone asked if you can get affected twice; I just did, although my lynchproof is gone, it was only good for the one day. 

 

##Vote TGlems

 

Hally sheeps.

 

##voteTG

 

And now Amega votes.  All within an hour.

 

 

And, here is where he started getting desperate

 

Also, not liking this response from him when Csarmi questioned him. The last time I heard something like this, that person was mafia. It is a bad AtE where Lenlo is badly trying to mask his meta

 

He votes Dice just before Dice claims tracker. When Krak suspected a bandwagon vote, his response was that he wanted to consolidate close to deadline. Really? It was still 8 hours for the deadline. There were two trains running in parallel. He had already suspected Darthe but still he goes ahead and votes Dice to "consilidate"?

 

 

 

Then when dice claims tracker, he comes back with a classic scum line about others "trying to consolidate" and pre-empting FoS on the votes that follows.

 

 

 

In short, Lenlo has been fishing and his response when confronted was weak. Similarly, his distancing vote on dice just before he claimed tracker and trying to spin it as a consolidation vote doesnt look good either. 

 

##vote Lenlo

 

This case by Pral is epicly bad in every way.  And he votes Len after the Mason claim to clear me, rather than voting me when I had the heat on me.  Pral == scum.

 

i agree with cloud.. and interesting point about the multiple two man teams for mafia.. that would be and interesting setup. 

 

Not sure if i read Dap as scummy tho.. 

 

Lenlo im also part of the train. any words about me or are you just interesting in nudging a lynch on krak, so you and your scum partners dont end up the nxt two lynches?

 

Wasn't Len voting Krak at this point?  What is the nudging comment?  And Amega is trying to put some WIFOM into the mason claim, as if still hoping to get a lynch out of it.  Combined with Dap's case on Amega he looks bad.

 

 

True,  but that was neither the only reason nor the main reason for my vote. That was just a part of my case. I was not satisfied with the inconsistencies in Lenlo's responses over his vote on Dice, which looked really suspicious. As mentioned, it was 8 hours before the deadline despite him claiming to consolidate and also his claim that he wouldn't be around doesn't make sense because he had at least 2-3 posts after that vote and before deadline.

 

Anyway, he has claimed mason. I agree with Lenlo that it is a risky move for a scum. So, for now, ##unvote Lenlo

 

 

Pral claims he is unvoting Lenlo because of the mason claim.  But lenlo claimed mason before Pral ever voted him.  So Len claims mason, then pral votes him, then pral unvotes him and uses the reason that he claimed mason?  That makes no sense to me.

 

Scum Team: Krak, Pral, Amega. 

 

##vote Krak

[Tyler Glembo]

To be more clear about the "obvious" statement, the case on me was basically that

 

I would be stupid enough to unvote a scum teammate with <24 hrs left and try to start a train on someone with 0 votes on them.  And then NK the person who was most vocal and suspicious of me.  And then think I would get away with all of it.  Were I actually scum that would be grade A stupidity, and I'm bothered people would think I'd be that dumb/obvious. 

[michellem]

Official Vote Count:
 
TG (2): Krak, Hallia
Krak (2): Lenlo, Pral
Hallia (1): Vos
Pral (1): Amega

Not Voting (8): Darthe, Xhtrax, TG, Monk, Dap, Verb, Time, Rhea,
 
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline will be on tuesday, midnight GMT+1 to give Tress a chance to catch up

[nervositee]

I would be stupid enough to unvote a scum teammate with <24 hrs left and try to start a train on someone with 0 votes on them.  And then NK the person who was most vocal and suspicious of me.  And then think I would get away with all of it.  Were I actually scum that would be grade A stupidity, and I'm bothered people would think I'd be that dumb/obvious. 

 

Wow, I know claiming WIFOM is almost cliché here, but I guess this is how it was invented, wasn't it? Because what you mentioned would have been really, really stupid. But at the same time, really smart because no-one would suspect it for that very reason? ESPECIALLY when you yourself list it up twice, pointing out yourself how stupid it would be?

 

It's a useless tree to bark at, of course, just noting the irony of you pointing it out like that. 

[michellem]

Iiiii forgot the time. Clock change incoming.

[michellem]

The boll tolls two times. You hear three screams.

[Tyler Glembo]

 

I would be stupid enough to unvote a scum teammate with <24 hrs left and try to start a train on someone with 0 votes on them.  And then NK the person who was most vocal and suspicious of me.  And then think I would get away with all of it.  Were I actually scum that would be grade A stupidity, and I'm bothered people would think I'd be that dumb/obvious. 

 

Wow, I know claiming WIFOM is almost cliché here, but I guess this is how it was invented, wasn't it? Because what you mentioned would have been really, really stupid. But at the same time, really smart because no-one would suspect it for that very reason? ESPECIALLY when you yourself list it up twice, pointing out yourself how stupid it would be?

 

It's a useless tree to bark at, of course, just noting the irony of you pointing it out like that. 

 

 

Lol, I never actually thought of it that way.  Point taken. 

[dapianoplay3r]

##vote krak

Lets get a bit of pressure going

 

I'll be out the rest of the day sorry. Extended date

[Krakalakachkn]

Sorry everyone, haven't had time to get on yesterday or today. Should be back tomorrow.

[michellem]

Official Vote Count:
 
TG (2): Krak, Hallia
Krak (3): Lenlo, Pral, Dap
Hallia (1): Vos
Pral (1): Amega

Not Voting (7): Darthe, Xhtrax, TG, Monk, Verb, Time, Rhea, Pral,
 
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline will be on Tuesday midnight GMT+1
 

[Pralaya]

well you say it was paper thin. you could have dismissed it without all the fluff. Just out here looking for reactions mate. 

 

Heh, if i got a dollar every time I heard this from someone trying to justify a horrible case, I would be a millionaire by now.

 

 

This case by Pral is epicly bad in every way.  And he votes Len after the Mason claim to clear me, rather than voting me when I had the heat on me.  Pral == scum.

 

 

What are you even talking about? :facepalm

I voted Lenlo in post #379 and Lenlo claimed in post #396 Stop skimming, dude.

[Pralaya]

Official Vote Count:

 

TG (2): Krak, Hallia

Krak (3): Lenlo, Pral, Dap

Hallia (1): Vos

Pral (1): Amega

 

Not Voting (7): Darthe, Xhtrax, TG, Monk, Verb, Time, Rhea, Pral,

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline will be on Tuesday midnight GMT+1

 

 

Am not voting krak btw. I think it is TG

[Darthe]

Hello, I am going to catch up on this some.

[michellem]

The gamemakers have a short announcement...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
HAPPY BIRTHDAY VOS!
 
 

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's all, feel free to continue the game now.

[nervositee]

[monk2310]

Wow, this site dies on the weekends.

[nervositee]

Wow, this site dies on the weekends.

 

 

...didn't you catch the amazing dancing-gif? It's about quality, not quantity! ;)

 

Nah, you're right, it's really dead and buried here over the weekend. 

[monk2310]

Gotta admit, that was an amazing gif!

 

Interesting. I would think more active on weekends.