[Basic] The Matrix - Game Over

[Andrej]

  On 1/25/2014 at 11:10 PM, Basel Gill said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 6:57 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 5:34 PM, Basel Gill said:

Vote Thea. If you think that someone is posting conflicting conclusions, being a mess and unhelpful, then why aren't you voting that person? That counts as a scumtell in my book, and I'm finding it really weird that it doesn't ping for you.

 

Bolded: Are you saying that you agree with Theo's opinion regarding Vos but are voting her for not voting him although she pointed it out?

 

Both of you seem to be making the same misread of what I said. FOSing a person without voting them is one thing... FOSing them and then calling them town is something else. If she had given the list of stuff that she had issues with Vos about, and then said it pinged her or made her think he was scum but not voted, then I would feel that she wanted to hear a reply from him. Or maybe she wanted to hear what other people thought of her idea. Maybe she just wanted more data; there's nothing wrong in my book with simply wanting more info on someone. Instead she gave reasons why Vos was acting scummy, and then said she felt he was town.

 

 

That's the thing though, she didn't say Vos was scummy. She said his posts seem disorganized and all over the place (I'm paraphrasing) and not helpful. So either you are misinterpreting or misconstruing here purposefully.

 

Back to the first nested quote of mine, I don't think you really answered my question. Reading your reasonings as you voted Theo it looks like you are viewing her commentary on Vos as a scum-tell for his posts. But then you vote Theo for not finding it suspect? I don't understand this process. If you think Vos is exhibiting what you consider scummy behavior why wouldn't you vote him over Theo?

[Basel Gill]

  On 1/26/2014 at 12:20 AM, Andrej said:

Back to the first nested quote of mine, I don't think you really answered my question. Reading your reasonings as you voted Theo it looks like you are viewing her commentary on Vos as a scum-tell for his posts. But then you vote Theo for not finding it suspect? I don't understand this process. If you think Vos is exhibiting what you consider scummy behavior why wouldn't you vote him over Theo?

I think I might have written that badly. I said they were scumtells to me, the only one I would really consider a likely scumtell is the conflicting conclusions because scum are trying to build up a misrepresentation of the truth and they commonly get stuck when something doesn't work consistently in their case. But her phrasing definitely gave me the idea that she considered them suspicious.

[Nolder]

Votecount

Nervositee - WolfbrotherKronos (1)

Err - Despothera (1)

Tglems - Goldeneyes (1)

Goldeneyes - Darthe, Nervositee (2)

Theodora - Tglems, Basel (2)

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140127T18&p0=137

[hazelkrs1]

This sucks. Deadline is in a day and a half but I prob won't get time to go into this thoroughly before I crash.

 

I see I'm the only vote on Err. I take back what I said- voting activity is NOT pleasing me now. We really haven't spread much true pressure around at all

[hazelkrs1]

Unvote, Vote Theo

[hazelkrs1]

Off for 3 days now btw, will be somewhat less active

[Niniel]

The funny thing about Theo is that she did the same thing as Vos. Pointing out he is going in two directions while she is doing the same. I didn´t understand the initial pressure on Vos. Maybe it was because there was not much to comment on? I don´t know what to make of Theo´s comment. I kind of agree with Basel that it looked like she said that Vos was scummy but still got a town read on him. Maybe she just didn´t explain herself very good? Still weird that she hasn´t voted yet. 

 

Err´s mentioning of a GF could be something. I will keep it in mind. Not a reason for a vote yet. 

 

I´m a bit suspicious of Des. His initial case on Vos was bad. As I said, maybe it was just a way of trying to start the game by joining AJ. Then he thinks Vos´s answer looked genuine and unvoted him. But later he says that TG and Vos looks scummier than Golden. Do you think Vos is scummy or not? 

 

Which brings me to Golden. I see that I will have a problem with, what you call, aggressive style. I would rather call it rude style. I totally agree with Darthe´s vote on Golden. I´m trying to see if my dislike of his play style is colouring my thoughts about him but I don´t think I agree with anything he has said so far. 

 

Vote Golden

[Tyler Glembo]

  On 1/25/2014 at 6:47 PM, Theodora said:

TGlens, I stated pretty clearly that I cannot be so sure as to put a vote on anyone at this point (not all of the people have even joined) but I am leaning more townie on Vos as he is trying to scum-hunt but myaybe in order to catch all the details, he is going in two opposite directions. To me this is not helpful. This is not necessarily scummy at this point.

 

 

I don't like placing votes ten times per day without a specific reason; than changing them to no avail. Like you are fishing and you are waiting for a fish to grab the bite and start a train. Well, you got Basel.

 

I see what you're trying to say in defense but I'm not sure I believe it. As for how often you vote...meh, different playstyles.

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 10:05 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

Tgelms- How can you agree with my post about Basel (he's misrepping meta by voting theo for fos'ing without a vote) yet still have your vote on Theo and not on Basel? It's too early to push voting inactives. My vote on you is a policy vote for Fos'ing inactives day 1.Who should I be voting for if not you? Basel? Theo's null at present for me. Vos is stumbling around in the dark. Darthe is instigating and has already assured himself an early exit. AJ is town to me. The rest of the people have little to no gameplay to put a vote on.  

 

I find both Basel and Theo scummy, and I chose to vote Theo at the time.  As for being too early to push inactives, there is no time like the present. 

 

And no, I won't tell you who you should vote for.

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 10:19 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

Tglems - I understand your position on lurking, but don't agree with lynching quiet types - not saying much is legit play style - also - in a game like this (where several have not posted much), how do you decide who to go after

 

Not speaking often but having solid posts when you do is a legit play style, kinda like your first post that had a list of reads.  Lurking is a "legit" playstyle that is absolutely unhelpful to town in any way, shape, or form.  Lurking is anti-town nomatter how you slice it, and I love lynching lurkers.

[Theodora]

I saw so far different people interpreting my words as scummy or putting words in my mouth.

 

This is what I meant when commenting Vos:

 

1. He is scum hunting but seems confused, so it does not help me with information.

2. Day1, I am doing the same usually and this is not a crime or a scum tell, thus leaning town on Vos for the moment

 

If this is enough for TG to vote me, good, there are always opportunistic scum and misled townies to bite.

 

Despo is looking for an easy lynch + he will be absent and votes me without stating a reason. Wow, Despo, are you lazy or you really believe some weak accusations?

 

I know how Golden plays and indeed he can come aggressive but this is just his style and if you vote him for this, then what do you say about TG's style of calling names? Also, I explained my reason for the comment on Vos'play and although Basel appeared scummy (TG's words), TG continues staying on me + accusing me of fake scum hunting.

 

I smell scum with such weak reasons, so

 

Vote TGlems

[GoldeneyesND]

  On 1/26/2014 at 12:31 PM, TinaHel said:

The funny thing about Theo is that she did the same thing as Vos. Pointing out he is going in two directions while she is doing the same. I didn´t understand the initial pressure on Vos. Maybe it was because there was not much to comment on? I don´t know what to make of Theo´s comment. I kind of agree with Basel that it looked like she said that Vos was scummy but still got a town read on him. Maybe she just didn´t explain herself very good? Still weird that she hasn´t voted yet. 

 

Err´s mentioning of a GF could be something. I will keep it in mind. Not a reason for a vote yet. 

 

I´m a bit suspicious of Des. His initial case on Vos was bad. As I said, maybe it was just a way of trying to start the game by joining AJ. Then he thinks Vos´s answer looked genuine and unvoted him. But later he says that TG and Vos looks scummier than Golden. Do you think Vos is scummy or not? 

 

Which brings me to Golden. I see that I will have a problem with, what you call, aggressive style. I would rather call it rude style. I totally agree with Darthe´s vote on Golden. I´m trying to see if my dislike of his play style is colouring my thoughts about him but I don´t think I agree with anything he has said so far. 

 

Vote Golden

 

You essentially admit this is a weak vote here. At least we can agree on something. This is not a legit vote, it's opportunistic sheeping. Total scumtell. This is a game, if you have a problem with how I play, I'm fine with you pointing it out, but I'm not going to change my play style because you dislike it. I'm not the only aggressive player here and I have been VERY well behaved this game, so I find it interesting you chose to point me out specifically. You agree with Darthe how?

 

The above post is entirely devoid of taking any positions. Every single point is hedged. She thinks Theo did some weird stuff, but she's not sure. Vos is weird, but she's not sure. She doesn't like me, but that's probably just personal. Foses Des, but puts her vote on the person with a train. FOUND ONE

 

My train consists of a sheep vote, Darthe's weird off the wall vote and Vos, who couldn't find his way out of a paper bag with a map. I am confident at least 1 of these 3 is scum. Vos is bad, but Tina's entire post above is so terribad I can't ignore it. Also Darthe, you're wasting your vote on my train, I suggest some actual scumhunting. Tgelms handled some minimal pressure well, getting townie vibe from him. 

 

unvote

Vote Tina

[nervositee]

  On 1/26/2014 at 4:54 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

 

My train consists of a sheep vote, Darthe's weird off the wall vote and Vos, who couldn't find his way out of a paper bag with a map. I am confident at least 1 of these 3 is scum. Vos is bad, but Tina's entire post above is so terribad I can't ignore it. Also Darthe, you're wasting your vote on my train, I suggest some actual scumhunting. Tgelms handled some minimal pressure well, getting townie vibe from him. 

 

 

Spell it out for me, why am I "bad"? You are claiming bs arguments like that I don't know how to vote, just laying out highly unsubstantial claims. You are pestering, not scumhunting. So make a case or lay off, thank you.  I know you like to claim you are an aggresive player - might be, but right now you are playing very anti-town. 

[Nolder]

Votecount

Tina - Goldeneyes (1)

Nervositee - WolfbrotherKronos (1)

Tglems - Theodora (1)

Goldeneyes - Darthe, Nervositee, Tina (3)

Theodora - Tglems, Basel, Despothera (3)

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140127T18&p0=137

[Xthrax]

Well, I've been going through what everyone said and I feel a certain vibe from what a few have said.

 

Theo- From her earlier post and what she summarized now of her current post

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 3:44 PM, Theodora said:

I saw so far different people interpreting my words as scummy or putting words in my mouth.

 

This is what I meant when commenting Vos:

 

1. He is scum hunting but seems confused, so it does not help me with information.

2. Day1, I am doing the same usually and this is not a crime or a scum tell, thus leaning town on Vos for the moment

 

If this is enough for TG to vote me, good, there are always opportunistic scum and misled townies to bite.

 

Despo is looking for an easy lynch + he will be absent and votes me without stating a reason. Wow, Despo, are you lazy or you really believe some weak accusations?

 

I know how Golden plays and indeed he can come aggressive but this is just his style and if you vote him for this, then what do you say about TG's style of calling names? Also, I explained my reason for the comment on Vos'play and although Basel appeared scummy (TG's words), TG continues staying on me + accusing me of fake scum hunting.

 

I smell scum with such weak reasons, so

 

Vote TGlems

  

It seems what she said was just misconstrued as seeming to be scum. All she said was that Vos appears to be confused, doesn't seem clear of what he appears to be. She doesn't seem to be scummy to me. 

 

Golden-From the last few games that I have lurked on and seen Golden play, his still did kinda seem aggressive-an all out approach. And from what I glean that seems to be how he plays. And still with votes on him, he looks to have come out strong. Feeling Town.

 

Des-First with what looked to me like a random vote on Err, changed all of a sudden to Theo

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 10:35 AM, Despothera said:

This sucks. Deadline is in a day and a half but I prob won't get time to go into this thoroughly before I crash.

I see I'm the only vote on Err. I take back what I said- voting activity is NOT pleasing me now. We really haven't spread much true pressure around at all

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 10:36 AM, Despothera said:

Unvote, Vote Theo

 

Why all of a sudden a jump to Theo? If it's for spreading pressure around, there could have been a lot of people you picked. 

 

And congrats on the car!! Which one is it?

 

Basel-Could have just misconstrued what has been meant, could've been just a misunderstanding. Not really much of a feel

 

Andrej-Seems he's scum hunting. Started early but that's all fine. Nothing much, feels town.

 

Kronos-Thanks man! Glad to be here. Nothing much.

 

Krakalacken-Nothing to go on

 

Vos- Don't know why there was such a huge pressure on him. Maybe to see if he would crack under pressure? Don't feel as though he came out in top but he definitely didn't crack under pressure-and that good. Though voting on Golden, why again? You say that Golden was using vote count as a scum tell, when all I've seen him do is call people out for putting that VC up. And then he's been seen using an aggressive style. Suspicious but nothing much solid really.

 

Err-Everyone jumped up at him right from the beginning, for mentioning a GF. In the possible list of roles Nolder gave in the beginning, a GF was mentioned. Nothing much

 

Darthe-On Golden's track. Acc. to you- 'Scummy deflection and instigative response' was Golden. He just looked to be calling out TGlems for bring up VC very fast. Doesn't look like scummy deflection. On another note, claims Miller. Feels that he could be true, so leaning town.

 

Tina- 

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 12:31 PM, TinaHel said:

The funny thing about Theo is that she did the same thing as Vos. Pointing out he is going in two directions while she is doing the same. I didn´t understand the initial pressure on Vos. Maybe it was because there was not much to comment on? I don´t know what to make of Theo´s comment. I kind of agree with Basel that it looked like she said that Vos was scummy but still got a town read on him. Maybe she just didn´t explain herself very good? Still weird that she hasn´t voted yet. 

 

Err´s mentioning of a GF could be something. I will keep it in mind. Not a reason for a vote yet. 

 

I´m a bit suspicious of Des. His initial case on Vos was bad. As I said, maybe it was just a way of trying to start the game by joining AJ. Then he thinks Vos´s answer looked genuine and unvoted him. But later he says that TG and Vos looks scummier than Golden. Do you think Vos is scummy or not? 

 

Which brings me to Golden. I see that I will have a problem with, what you call, aggressive style. I would rather call it rude style. I totally agree with Darthe´s vote on Golden. I´m trying to see if my dislike of his play style is colouring my thoughts about him but I don´t think I agree with anything he has said so far. 

 

Vote Golden

 

On the what Theo said, yeah but then could be a case of misunderstanding. Err, like I said it may not really be a slip up could just be quoting Nolder. Des, I'm not so suspiscious. True his case on Vos was bad, but he could just be an active Townie scum-hunting. Vos, not really a sure feel. Golden, now that could just be his style. And how exactly are you meaning to agree with Darthe? I would say 50-50 of scum or town.

 

Tglems- Started with the vote count. It's still Day 1 man, so cut everyone some slack. I agree with you that mafia could be hiding out on Day 1, but you could really be voting someone who really maybe couldn't be that active on D1. Suspicious, for bringing up and calling people out just based on the number of their posts. It could be your play style lynching the lurkers, but just be quiet you don't have much to say is also a play style. I dunno man, but does not really go right with me

 

Vote TGlems

[GoldeneyesND]

I should lay off someone who has a vote on me? You must be joking. You started the game with what I can only assume was a joke about lawyers being scum, then proceeded to try and harp on everything I say. I will spell it out for you. I don't think you are playing a very focused game, You, like Tina are voting based upon the fact you generally dislike the way I talk. I'm fine with that. Notice that I haven't fos'd you or voted you, I have consistently given you the benefit of the doubt as a new player developing his game. You jump in and vote based on the weakest reasoning. Your explanation essentially states the no one used inactivity to justify votes (FALSE, Tglems did and then confirmed he had), calling me passive aggressive and then voting. I'll tell you what happened, you couldn't maintain emotional distance from the game, got upset when I told you to focus your game and then proceeded to look for reasons to vote me. If you take things personally in this game, you will have a much harder go of things than if you realize people are doing things to elicit responses. 

[Niniel]

I´m not voting based upon the fact that I dislike your play style. In fact, as I said in my post, I tried to look beyond that. 

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 6:19 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 5:42 PM, nervositee said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 5:17 PM, TGlems said:

Yates - 0

GoldeneyesND - 1 post

Krak - 2 posts

Basel, Tina, Theodora - 3 posts

 

Added

 

 

TGLEMS I have literally never seen this tactic used by town. All it shows (along with vos' subsequent update including Yates) is that 6 people in this game have 3 or fewer posts. I also dislike people who jump on someone for "trying to seem town" and I find it interesting that you and Darthe both used this strategy within a relatively short amount of time. It makes you both look bad jumping to these conclusions before page 5 of a game. How exactly do you expect to get the game going by fos'ing people who actually post based on an admittedly subjective feeling? You're essential punishing participation selfishly to look good and that's anti-town.

 

Vos, what are your reads so far and why? I can't tell if your game is simply nonsensical or if you're a newbie trying to work through things aloud, but you're headed for a D1 lynch unless you pick it up. 

 

Basel has played with Theo and is aware of her meta of fos'ing without voting, as it consistently gets her in hot water. In fact, the reason you're voting for her is what has me leaning town on her. With all the people in this game who haven't played with each other and being aware of this yourself, voting her for this reason is scummy. But, no need to vote you for this, as I've uncovered a gem in already. 

 

vote tglems

 

 and omgus post in 3,2,1...

 

 

A while ago many games started with talk about inactives. You didn´t play here then. TG hasn´t been playing for a while. (Right? At least we haven´t played together.) For TG this means "always" and for you it means "never". You just haven´t played at the same time. 

 

"you´re headed for a D1 lynch". Why is he? I don´t see it. And it doesn´t look like a good advice, more like a threat. 

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 6:36 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

Oh really, EVERY game is about lurkers? On day 1? When half of the people in the game are barely checking in? We have not played together, but apparently it's not too hard to wind you up...

 

 

Why do you want to wind up people? Why doesn townies want to do that?

 

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 7:17 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 6:36 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

Oh really, EVERY game is about lurkers? On day 1? When half of the people in the game are barely checking in? We have not played together, but apparently it's not too hard to wind you up...

 

 

Scummy deflection and instigative response.  unvote vote GE

 

 

This is the post I agreed with. 

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 7:31 PM, nervositee said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 6:53 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

1- Awful. Half the people in this game around really in this game yet and you're pointing to participation as an indicator of being town or not. Do you see why scum who HAVE been posting would use a VC to justify the very weak argument you're putting forth?

 

2- Your posts make little sense and you're confusing. Err has votes, but he's I don't see him being as bad as everyone thinks and he is capable of putting together a solid argument. I'm not threatening you, I was giving you a heads up that when he sheds votes they could come your way if you didn't start making more sense. Note that I am not voting you and I didn't fos you, I was TRYING to be helpful. That's the last time I'll do that.

 

3- You've not played with me, so I'll pat you on the head and chuckle if you think THAT was me wound up.  

 

 

1. Again, wtf? Who has used it as an argument? Who has used it as a scumtell? Who has done more than to post it? Oh, you. no one else. 

 

2.  Your tone reeks of passive-aggressiveness

 

3. Ehm, ok, if you say so. 

 

unvote vote Golden

 

 

Agree with Vos´s points here.

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 10:05 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

Yeah Darthe, cause I'm not known to poke at people to see if they slip- pffffft, you know better than this, you've played with me in too many games to vote me for instigating.

 

Vos is such a hot mess. For clarity's sake, I'm aggressive and rarely passive. If he's scum he's WAY too easy a lynch, I'd expect his teammates to do a better job coaching him. Also, you need to reformat your vote on me. Not even knowing how to vote is fairly awful.

 

Tgelms- How can you agree with my post about Basel (he's misrepping meta by voting theo for fos'ing without a vote) yet still have your vote on Theo and not on Basel? It's too early to push voting inactives. My vote on you is a policy vote for Fos'ing inactives day 1.Who should I be voting for if not you? Basel? Theo's null at present for me. Vos is stumbling around in the dark. Darthe is instigating and has already assured himself an early exit. AJ is town to me. The rest of the people have little to no gameplay to put a vote on.  

 

Congrats Des! That's awesome.

 

Why is Vos a hot mess? Why is he stumbling around in the dark? That is just empty frases. I don´t see it. What´s the meaning with a "policy vote"? 

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 12:31 PM, TinaHel said:

The funny thing about Theo is that she did the same thing as Vos. Pointing out he is going in two directions while she is doing the same. I didn´t understand the initial pressure on Vos. Maybe it was because there was not much to comment on? I don´t know what to make of Theo´s comment. I kind of agree with Basel that it looked like she said that Vos was scummy but still got a town read on him. Maybe she just didn´t explain herself very good? Still weird that she hasn´t voted yet. 

 

Err´s mentioning of a GF could be something. I will keep it in mind. Not a reason for a vote yet. 

 

I´m a bit suspicious of Des. His initial case on Vos was bad. As I said, maybe it was just a way of trying to start the game by joining AJ. Then he thinks Vos´s answer looked genuine and unvoted him. But later he says that TG and Vos looks scummier than Golden. Do you think Vos is scummy or not? 

 

Which brings me to Golden. I see that I will have a problem with, what you call, aggressive style. I would rather call it rude style. I totally agree with Darthe´s vote on Golden. I´m trying to see if my dislike of his play style is colouring my thoughts about him but I don´t think I agree with anything he has said so far. 

 

Vote Golden

 

This is me trying to say that I´m trying to look beyond my dislike of your play style. 

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 4:54 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 12:31 PM, TinaHel said:

The funny thing about Theo is that she did the same thing as Vos. Pointing out he is going in two directions while she is doing the same. I didn´t understand the initial pressure on Vos. Maybe it was because there was not much to comment on? I don´t know what to make of Theo´s comment. I kind of agree with Basel that it looked like she said that Vos was scummy but still got a town read on him. Maybe she just didn´t explain herself very good? Still weird that she hasn´t voted yet. 

 

Err´s mentioning of a GF could be something. I will keep it in mind. Not a reason for a vote yet. 

 

I´m a bit suspicious of Des. His initial case on Vos was bad. As I said, maybe it was just a way of trying to start the game by joining AJ. Then he thinks Vos´s answer looked genuine and unvoted him. But later he says that TG and Vos looks scummier than Golden. Do you think Vos is scummy or not? 

 

Which brings me to Golden. I see that I will have a problem with, what you call, aggressive style. I would rather call it rude style. I totally agree with Darthe´s vote on Golden. I´m trying to see if my dislike of his play style is colouring my thoughts about him but I don´t think I agree with anything he has said so far. 

 

Vote Golden

 

You essentially admit this is a weak vote here. At least we can agree on something. This is not a legit vote, it's opportunistic sheeping. Total scumtell. This is a game, if you have a problem with how I play, I'm fine with you pointing it out, but I'm not going to change my play style because you dislike it. I'm not the only aggressive player here and I have been VERY well behaved this game, so I find it interesting you chose to point me out specifically. You agree with Darthe how?

 

The above post is entirely devoid of taking any positions. Every single point is hedged. She thinks Theo did some weird stuff, but she's not sure. Vos is weird, but she's not sure. She doesn't like me, but that's probably just personal. Foses Des, but puts her vote on the person with a train. FOUND ONE

 

My train consists of a sheep vote, Darthe's weird off the wall vote and Vos, who couldn't find his way out of a paper bag with a map. I am confident at least 1 of these 3 is scum. Vos is bad, but Tina's entire post above is so terribad I can't ignore it. Also Darthe, you're wasting your vote on my train, I suggest some actual scumhunting. Tgelms handled some minimal pressure well, getting townie vibe from him. 

 

unvote

Vote Tina

 

 

Where do I say that it´s a weak vote? You try to turn it into me voting you because of your play style which isn´t true. Darthe only had one post where he voted you so it´s not hard to get what post I agreed with. I should have quoted it, but you should have known which post it was. 

 

Here we go again... Vos can´t find his way out of a paper bag with a map...? Again, just empty, annoying words. 

[GoldeneyesND]

Yes Tina, I am applying pressure to Vos for my own reasons and I don't particularly feel like giving you a paint by numbers explanation of my gameplay. Feel free to continue defending him though. Your weak reasoning is weak. The only thing you say is you agree with Darthe, so it's essentially sheeping.  

 

This is the horrendous thing about your entire argument. I have REASONS for doing everything I do in this game. I do things to elicit responses to help me get reads, that's what the game is about. It's really irrelevant whether or not you magnanimously decide to "look past" my playstyle. When it's later in the game I can compare how people reacted D1 vs D5. Some people lurk and read the thread and others instigate, question, prod and poke. You're are in essence voting me for my playstyle and hiding behind Darthe's one sentence accusation to justify your vote. 

 

I believe you are scum and that you tried to jump on what you believed would be an easy lynch. I believe Darthe is being a little lazy and voting to gauge my reaction.. I believe Vos is looking for reasons to justify removing the person who hurt his feelings, which is super common within your first few games. It also makes him a great fallback Day 1 lynch option for scum. See scum try and hit effective scumhunters/suspected PR roles as early as possible, but if they can't get those trains going, they're happy to mislynch inexperienced players at the last second because it's not that difficult.

[hazelkrs1]

Tina looks mega scummy right now. Her vote on GE WAS terrible, it looked more pike she was trying to say she was voting him because she didn't like his playstyle. Then when she gets called out for it, she tries to retroactively justify her vote better by quoting a bunch of others fos'ing GE. That just looks terrible. I think she's trying to defend a teammate in Theo.

 

Don't really like how Theo's holding up under pressure. Getting defensive and omgusy. Calls me out for trying to get an easy lynch... riiiight. It was obvious that I was trying to consolidate on someone to get the voting activity up again.

 

Speaking of which, I still think Err looks scummy. Its not for the GF thing either- I didn't like that he was bandwagoning TG's reasoning about inactives, and I find his "scumhunting" attempts to be a lot poorer than I remember from his other game where he was town. But I'm not gonna let my vote waste away on someone no one else is looking at atm.

 

I really liked Xthrax's most recent post. Seems well thought out and trying to remain objective.

[hazelkrs1]

As for Vos, he's a player I'm waffling on somewhat, but inthe particular situation with TG and GE, iI didn't think GE came out looking worse at all. TG and Vos kept trying to justify going for in actives, I never found their reasoning held up.

 

Right now the players I'm wary of are Theo, Tina, Err, and TG.

[Nolder]

Votecount

Tina - Goldeneyes (1)

Nervositee - WolfbrotherKronos (1)

Tglems - Theodora, Xthrax (2)

Goldeneyes - Darthe, Nervositee, Tina (3)

Theodora - Tglems, Basel, Despothera (3)

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140127T18&p0=137

[nervositee]

  On 1/26/2014 at 6:22 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

I should lay off someone who has a vote on me? You must be joking. You started the game with what I can only assume was a joke about lawyers being scum, then proceeded to try and harp on everything I say. I will spell it out for you. I don't think you are playing a very focused game, You, like Tina are voting based upon the fact you generally dislike the way I talk. I'm fine with that. Notice that I haven't fos'd you or voted you, I have consistently given you the benefit of the doubt as a new player developing his game. You jump in and vote based on the weakest reasoning. Your explanation essentially states the no one used inactivity to justify votes (FALSE, Tglems did and then confirmed he had), calling me passive aggressive and then voting. I'll tell you what happened, you couldn't maintain emotional distance from the game, got upset when I told you to focus your game and then proceeded to look for reasons to vote me. If you take things personally in this game, you will have a much harder go of things than if you realize people are doing things to elicit responses. 

 

Bolded: Uhm. Yeah. You assume correctly. You shouldn't have to assume, it was very clear. 

Italics: That is your words, not mine. If you don't get it, I'll spell it out for you, here:

 

I vote Golden because he is building air-castles out of nothing, throwing shit at me on totally unsubstantial bs that he can't back up, when confronted about it he obfuscate it by that "he has a plan". For what I can read Golden is playing very anti-town. I'm all for aggressive play styles, but this isn't aggressive play, this is nothing. 

 

Underlined: Ehm, come again? You are gonna tell me what happened? Why, thank you! You're taking a wild guess, and you are wrong, but thanks for that insight. 

[Niniel]

@ Golden - So if you through out some empty frases and get called out on it you can always say that you have a secret plan? lol If agreeing with someone is sheeping then yes, I´m sheeping Darthe. 

 

@Des - I tried to explain what I meant better since Golden misunderstood the reason for my vote and didn´t understand which of Darthe´s post I agreed with.

[Niniel]

  On 1/26/2014 at 7:45 PM, nervositee said:

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 6:22 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

I should lay off someone who has a vote on me? You must be joking. You started the game with what I can only assume was a joke about lawyers being scum, then proceeded to try and harp on everything I say. I will spell it out for you. I don't think you are playing a very focused game, You, like Tina are voting based upon the fact you generally dislike the way I talk. I'm fine with that. Notice that I haven't fos'd you or voted you, I have consistently given you the benefit of the doubt as a new player developing his game. You jump in and vote based on the weakest reasoning. Your explanation essentially states the no one used inactivity to justify votes (FALSE, Tglems did and then confirmed he had), calling me passive aggressive and then voting. I'll tell you what happened, you couldn't maintain emotional distance from the game, got upset when I told you to focus your game and then proceeded to look for reasons to vote me. If you take things personally in this game, you will have a much harder go of things than if you realize people are doing things to elicit responses. 

 

Bolded: Uhm. Yeah. You assume correctly. You shouldn't have to assume, it was very clear. 

Italics: That is your words, not mine. If you don't get it, I'll spell it out for you, here:

 

I vote Golden because he is building air-castles out of nothing, throwing shit at me on totally unsubstantial bs that he can't back up, when confronted about it he obfuscate it by that "he has a plan". For what I can read Golden is playing very anti-town. I'm all for aggressive play styles, but this isn't aggressive play, this is nothing. 

 

Underlined: Ehm, come again? You are gonna tell me what happened? Why, thank you! You're taking a wild guess, and you are wrong, but thanks for that insight. 

 

 

Ninja´d. Good post. Agree. 

[Andrej]

  On 1/26/2014 at 12:31 PM, TinaHel said:

The funny thing about Theo is that she did the same thing as Vos. Pointing out he is going in two directions while she is doing the same. I didn´t understand the initial pressure on Vos. Maybe it was because there was not much to comment on? I don´t know what to make of Theo´s comment. I kind of agree with Basel that it looked like she said that Vos was scummy but still got a town read on him. Maybe she just didn´t explain herself very good? Still weird that she hasn´t voted yet. 

 

Err´s mentioning of a GF could be something. I will keep it in mind. Not a reason for a vote yet. 

 

I´m a bit suspicious of Des. His initial case on Vos was bad. As I said, maybe it was just a way of trying to start the game by joining AJ. Then he thinks Vos´s answer looked genuine and unvoted him. But later he says that TG and Vos looks scummier than Golden. Do you think Vos is scummy or not? 

 

Which brings me to Golden. I see that I will have a problem with, what you call, aggressive style. I would rather call it rude style. I totally agree with Darthe´s vote on Golden. I´m trying to see if my dislike of his play style is colouring my thoughts about him but I don´t think I agree with anything he has said so far. 

 

Vote Golden

 

RE Theo: I agree that it's a little weird that she was holding her vote for so long, but she explained she doesn't like throwing around a ton of votes on D1. I honestly didn't see anything necessarily scummy in regards to what she said about Vos. To me I read it as saying that he just looks like confused town, I didn't get the feel that she found him suspicious. The only thing that really stood out to me in that post was her mentioning of her joke vote on Despo and how she didn't bold it because it was too early. I don't understand the need to explain your joke vote.

 

RE Err: Maybe. I don't there's really much though, Xthrax made a good point about how it was listed in the possible roles so perhaps that's what influenced him. Mention some other roles as well (survivor/sk) in my response to Err but nobody seems to care about that in particular.

 

RE Des: Me too, although for not the same reasons. I didn't mind his vote on Vos so much, but the change to Err for reasoning I can't follow and then the sudden switch to Theo sort of bothers me. He seems to be holding back a bit this game. I wouldn't say that makes him scum on its own, but it is something that makes me a little wary. Meta changes are dangerous.

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 3:21 PM, TGlems said:

 

  On 1/25/2014 at 10:19 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

Tglems - I understand your position on lurking, but don't agree with lynching quiet types - not saying much is legit play style - also - in a game like this (where several have not posted much), how do you decide who to go after

 

Not speaking often but having solid posts when you do is a legit play style, kinda like your first post that had a list of reads.  Lurking is a "legit" playstyle that is absolutely unhelpful to town in any way, shape, or form.  Lurking is anti-town nomatter how you slice it, and I love lynching lurkers.

 

I agree more with TG here. Lurking/fluff posting isn't very helpful for adding to the collective pool of information in the game. Even the smallest of contributions can help, plus it will make it easier for the other players discern which alignment you are.

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 7:11 PM, Despothera said:

Tina looks mega scummy right now. Her vote on GE WAS terrible, it looked more pike she was trying to say she was voting him because she didn't like his playstyle. Then when she gets called out for it, she tries to retroactively justify her vote better by quoting a bunch of others fos'ing GE. That just looks terrible. I think she's trying to defend a teammate in Theo.

 

Don't really like how Theo's holding up under pressure. Getting defensive and omgusy. Calls me out for trying to get an easy lynch... riiiight. It was obvious that I was trying to consolidate on someone to get the voting activity up again.

 

Speaking of which, I still think Err looks scummy. Its not for the GF thing either- I didn't like that he was bandwagoning TG's reasoning about inactives, and I find his "scumhunting" attempts to be a lot poorer than I remember from his other game where he was town. But I'm not gonna let my vote waste away on someone no one else is looking at atm.

 

I really liked Xthrax's most recent post. Seems well thought out and trying to remain objective.

 

I don't think Tina looks scummy. She hasn't posted much but the way she is sort of latching onto GE reminds me of a few past games I've played with her. I do think perhaps GE's posting style might be influencing her a bit, but I can be sympathetic to that. GE is being very abrasive this game. He's lashing out at any of those who question/vote him. He is name-calling and not disproving any of the points really, just throwing out buzzwords. Vos had a good point for voting him originally. TG didn't vote or even make commentary when he posted the post-counter earlier, but GE was in it. GE immediately went on the attack for it. Not that Tina has joined the wagon he immediately turns around and votes her for it. Gives me the feel of a trapped animal or something.

 

In comparison to GE, I think Theo has held up reasonably well. How is her OMGUS voting TG any different than GE's OMGUS voting of Tina? Also, you say that it was obvious you were consolidating to generate voting activity. Why would that be obvious? You said nothing in the post besides the vote switch. You're assuming that other players are going to pick up on your thoughts without expressing them, so Theo saying you went for the easy vote is a legit statement. I sort of agree with her.

 

Can you quote the post you're talking about with Err? I don't remember seeing him agree with TG.

 

I liked X's post as well, good townie vibe from him so far. Not sure about the vote for TG though.

[Andrej]

I wanna go back at look at Theo and GE some more. Those two seem to be the prevailing wagons with DL tomorrow.

[GoldeneyesND]

  On 1/26/2014 at 7:45 PM, nervositee said:

 

  On 1/26/2014 at 6:22 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

I should lay off someone who has a vote on me? You must be joking. You started the game with what I can only assume was a joke about lawyers being scum, then proceeded to try and harp on everything I say. I will spell it out for you. I don't think you are playing a very focused game, You, like Tina are voting based upon the fact you generally dislike the way I talk. I'm fine with that. Notice that I haven't fos'd you or voted you, I have consistently given you the benefit of the doubt as a new player developing his game. You jump in and vote based on the weakest reasoning. Your explanation essentially states the no one used inactivity to justify votes (FALSE, Tglems did and then confirmed he had), calling me passive aggressive and then voting. I'll tell you what happened, you couldn't maintain emotional distance from the game, got upset when I told you to focus your game and then proceeded to look for reasons to vote me. If you take things personally in this game, you will have a much harder go of things than if you realize people are doing things to elicit responses. 

 

Bolded: Uhm. Yeah. You assume correctly. You shouldn't have to assume, it was very clear. 

Italics: That is your words, not mine. If you don't get it, I'll spell it out for you, here:

 

I vote Golden because he is building air-castles out of nothing, throwing shit at me on totally unsubstantial bs that he can't back up, when confronted about it he obfuscate it by that "he has a plan". For what I can read Golden is playing very anti-town. I'm all for aggressive play styles, but this isn't aggressive play, this is nothing. 

 

Underlined: Ehm, come again? You are gonna tell me what happened? Why, thank you! You're taking a wild guess, and you are wrong, but thanks for that insight. 

 

 

1- Your joke was not clear. Many people make jokes like this early on to subtly nudge a theme they want to attach to a person. The fact that you aren't aware of this is like holding up a giant "noob" sign.

2- You have engaged in very little actual gameplay. You aren't asking logical questions or bringing up points. You're essentially the mafia version of a monkey flinging feces against a wall. I'm moving on from this discussion cause it's getting nowhere and theres zero chance your voting me results in my lynch.

 

 

 

AJ

I would appreciate your opinion on Tina's "Latching on" to me. I have no memory of every playing with her or read a game she was in. She's sheeping and her subsequent posts have not been good.