[Basic] The Matrix - Game Over

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Krakalakachin being NKed could be a good thing.... i had no idea where he stood

[Babar Hasan Khan]

so my scum list

 

Tina - 80%

Basel - 70%

Andrej - 60%

[Nolder]

Votecount

Err - Basel, Darthe, Des (3)

Basel - Goldeneyes, Nervositee, Theo (3)

Des - Andrej, Tina (2)

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140130T12&p0=137

[Babar Hasan Khan]

now with 11 players remaining.... again assuming (3vs8 or 2vs1vs8)..... if we go for Darthe lynch we will end up with (3vs6, 2vs1vs6) or (2vs7,1vs1vs7)...

 

that makes townys a little powerful since 4 consecutive towny deaths would still make them not loose.... so i am thinking darthe might be actually a miller

[Babar Hasan Khan]

wait..... is this correct we have less then 24 hours to lynch??? 

 

vote Tina

[Babar Hasan Khan]

if we have less then 24 hours then golden if u inspected a mafia..... now would be the time to say..... or may be 12 hours before the deadline....

[Nolder]

  On 1/29/2014 at 8:38 PM, Err said:

wait..... is this correct we have less then 24 hours to lynch???

That's correct.

[Luciena]

Nol what time is that in my world?

[hazelkrs1]

Unvote, Vote Tina

 

I like Err's responses overall. Doesn't seem panicky, gets thoughts out about others. I also find that his other reads mirroring my own somewhat bodes well for him.

 

Tina otoh has had some opportunistic voting patterns, admitted to having conflicted reads, and is trying to paint me as scummy for being aggressive (voting/fos'ing multiple players), even tho she nudges the train on Err, saying a flip on him would be telling for me and Vos. Why not vote Err then?

 

Also not getting good meta pings from Tina. She seems more defensive than normal, and is asking less questions.

[Nolder]

  On 1/29/2014 at 8:52 PM, Luciena said:

Nol what time is that in my world?

I think 8PM?

[Niniel]

  On 1/29/2014 at 8:05 PM, Err said:

now... i re-read everything.... one thing that is most interesting for me is that in Day 1.... 11 hours before the deadline, with zero votes on me I posted my vote and stated that i am traveling and i did not know if i will be able to check in before the deadline

 

then... 5 people vote for me... now m standing equal with Tgelms also with 5 votes.... i see this happening in two cases...

 

1. Tgelms is a scum and it is a last attempt to lynch an other candidate.... since we now know Tgelms was a towny so moving on

2. with some people still defending Tgelms (golden hadnt claimed at this point), the scum saw a good candidate to lynch who wouldnt be able to comment before the deadline.

 

Now, Darth voting for me didnt come as a surprise cause he had made his mistrust of me clear.... however i found Tina and Basel jumping at the train interesting.... very opportunistic... and a little out of the blue for me at least.... 

 

I also noticed that till now when everyone had been throwing mud around and everyone else.... Tina and Basel have not crossed paths against each other

 

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 9:20 PM, Despothera said:

Unvote, Vote Tina

 

I like Err's responses overall. Doesn't seem panicky, gets thoughts out about others. I also find that his other reads mirroring my own somewhat bodes well for him.

 

Tina otoh has had some opportunistic voting patterns, admitted to having conflicted reads, and is trying to paint me as scummy for being aggressive (voting/fos'ing multiple players), even tho she nudges the train on Err, saying a flip on him would be telling for me and Vos. Why not vote Err then?

 

Also not getting good meta pings from Tina. She seems more defensive than normal, and is asking less questions.

 

Both of you say my votes are opportunistic. What does that mean? 

 

Yes, again, Des. My reads are conflicted because I´m town, and town don´t know who is town and scum. I see that you move your vote from Err... again. 

[Andrej]

  On 1/29/2014 at 12:01 PM, Basel Gill said:

Tina: I already noted that Err was mentioning the GF role in my earlier posts, the one Vos quoted. I chose not to respond to any of the stuff that you say I ignored on D1 BECAUSE IT WAS D1. A lot was going on with no info at the time. Now that we know TG was townie, I'm planning on looking more closely at the people on his lynch.

 

To the bolded, explain how you feel this is beneficial plz.

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 5:40 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

 

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But I think starting his train 10 minutes into D2, on the above reason alone is more scummy than guessing at the set-up. 

This is actually a very good point imo.  Response?

 

 

I screwed the quotes up, but I liked these back-to-back posts from Vos & GE.

 

I'm leaning very much town on Vos.

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 7:56 PM, Luciena said:

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 1:23 AM, Despothera said:

That right there, Luci, does nothing to assuage the suspicions befallen to your slot.

 

It's a common scum move to go "I dunno, EVERYONE looks scummy to me right now! #overwhelmedlolzors"

 

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 1:24 AM, Despothera said:

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 1:22 AM, Basel Gill said:

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 12:12 AM, Luciena said:

So far, everyone without fail looks scummy to me.

You're a natural to this game.

 

 

Last 3 times I've seen someone literally use a line like this in mafia game, they were scum

 

Last 3 times I used it I was vanilla, therefore your logic is nonexistent. 

 

I don't think Basel is as scummy as you're trying to make him look though Des. In point of fact you hopping from one person to another without much explanation does not make you look good either have you thought of that?

 

 

Self-meta defense, never a good thing IMO. What you have done as a certain alignment in previous games does not affect your role/alignment in this game. Being aware of your actions in such a manner and using them here in defense makes you look guilty.

 

That said I can sort of agree with her point against Des.

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 8:12 PM, Err said:

as i said before.... i thought Golden could be helpful if a towny.... because when tunneling other people (scum or town) we get information and results.

 

some may think that the whole Golden and Vos standoff was pointless in D1 but i think because of it i m leaning towny on Vos now.

 

If i were a mafia, i would try to lynch people who were really trying to scum hunt in the beginning of the game.... Andrej is a good candidate for it.... during the whole Golden, Vos and even Tgelms cross fire... Andrej was defending Vos and Tgelms and trying to discredit only and only Golden

 

I'd like you to explain the bolded a little better. You're saying that I am attempting to target players who are scum hunting? Your last bit kind of rubs me the wrong way too. I don't like how you're using my interactions with a (now)confirmed townie to try and make me look bad. At the time GE looked very bad for his interactions regarding the post-counter thing. I think I pointed out very clearly and logically that what he was saying wasn't true, and therefore his case on TG was false and made-up. He later explained that he felt the post-counter was a soft FOS although TG never stated as much or tried to use it as a reason to vote. I think if he had done this originally instead of immediately proclaiming that TG was scum and trying to lynch lurkers the entire situation might have gone differently. That said, his wagon up to the point of claiming is a good one to analyze.

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 8:25 PM, Err said:

now with 11 players remaining.... again assuming (3vs8 or 2vs1vs8)..... if we go for Darthe lynch we will end up with (3vs6, 2vs1vs6) or (2vs7,1vs1vs7)...

 

that makes townys a little powerful since 4 consecutive towny deaths would still make them not loose.... so i am thinking darthe might be actually a miller

 

Your numbers are off in the bolded. With 13 players to start you can typically expect a scum team of 3, that should be more or less standard to the ~25% rule for basic games. So as of right now the numbers should look like 3v8 or 3v7v1 to allow a 3rd party member. If we lynch Darthe and he flips town, we would be 3v7 or 3v6v1 going into N2. At the start of D3, considering the scum team have a successful NK it would be 3v6 (if they hit 3rd party or if there is no actual 3rd party) or 3v5v1.

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 9:20 PM, Despothera said:

Unvote, Vote Tina

 

I like Err's responses overall. Doesn't seem panicky, gets thoughts out about others. I also find that his other reads mirroring my own somewhat bodes well for him.

 

Tina otoh has had some opportunistic voting patterns, admitted to having conflicted reads, and is trying to paint me as scummy for being aggressive (voting/fos'ing multiple players), even tho she nudges the train on Err, saying a flip on him would be telling for me and Vos. Why not vote Err then?

 

Also not getting good meta pings from Tina. She seems more defensive than normal, and is asking less questions.

 

I'm having a seriously hard time reading you this game. Err does seem to be playing very smartly as I remember him doing in the WD game but this is another quick turn-around by you. I'm never actually played with a scum-Tina. Can you explain a little more on her meta?

[Basel Gill]

  On 1/29/2014 at 8:05 PM, Err said:

now... i re-read everything.... one thing that is most interesting for me is that in Day 1.... 11 hours before the deadline, with zero votes on me I posted my vote and stated that i am traveling and i did not know if i will be able to check in before the deadline

 

then... 5 people vote for me... now m standing equal with Tgelms also with 5 votes.... i see this happening in two cases...

 

1. Tgelms is a scum and it is a last attempt to lynch an other candidate.... since we now know Tgelms was a towny so moving on

2. with some people still defending Tgelms (golden hadnt claimed at this point), the scum saw a good candidate to lynch who wouldnt be able to comment before the deadline.

 

Now, Darth voting for me didnt come as a surprise cause he had made his mistrust of me clear.... however i found Tina and Basel jumping at the train interesting.... very opportunistic... and a little out of the blue for me at least.... 

 

I also noticed that till now when everyone had been throwing mud around and everyone else.... Tina and Basel have not crossed paths against each other

The train on you was based on posting by you before you began your travels. What you posted would still be there whether you had been traveling or not. As for Tina and myself not crossing paths with each other, this is a most curious comment. Tina has been asking me stuff and I replied to her about six hours before you made this post. I would call that "crossing paths with each other".

  On 1/29/2014 at 10:14 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 12:01 PM, Basel Gill said:

Tina: I already noted that Err was mentioning the GF role in my earlier posts, the one Vos quoted. I chose not to respond to any of the stuff that you say I ignored on D1 BECAUSE IT WAS D1. A lot was going on with no info at the time. Now that we know TG was townie, I'm planning on looking more closely at the people on his lynch.

 

To the bolded, explain how you feel this is beneficial plz.

 

It is beneficial for me to hold off comment on such things because on D1, we have no data on anyone. Any conclusions I might make at that time are merely grasping at straws. By waiting until D2 to form an opinion, I can make a more well-reasoned judgement with some hard, mod-confirmed info.

[GoldeneyesND]

That's a short deadline, so here's the guilty read I got last night:

 

unvote

Vote Theo

 

I wasn't too sure about Basel, he could be scum. It would make sense for Theo to jump on his train if she suspected he had been inspected, which is logical as I came into a new day period and voted him without explanation. Also, I enjoyed the list of reads from her we were gifted with. I'll post more in the morning so as not to tip off scum as to who I plan on investigating,

[Basel Gill]

Well, gotta go with the guilty cop view.

Unvote. Vote Thea.

[Andrej]

 

Let's not turn this game into Follow-The-Cop.

 

Theo is already outed, so that's 1 scum down.

 

I suggest that we use the time we still have to read back on her interactions/non-interactions with other players and then decide from there. This way we can potentially lynch another mafia today and have Theo on the back-burner for tomorrow's lynch. Not to mention GE could nab another guilty tonight = All 3 mafia down in the span of 2 phases.

[Nolder]

Votecount

Err - Darthe (1)

Theo - Goldeneyes, Basel (2)

Basel - Nervositee, Theo (2)

Des - Andrej, Tina (2)

Tina - Err, Des (2)

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140130T12&p0=137

[Darthe]

I wouldnt have revealed that viewing so early myself but good to know anyhow.

[GoldeneyesND]

  On 1/29/2014 at 9:54 PM, Nolder said:

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 8:52 PM, Luciena said:

Nol what time is that in my world?

I think 8PM?

 

 

Sorry for the early reveal, I totally screwed up. I saw this post on my phone, thought it was 8pm today after Err's prompt and scrambled to get my result out.

[Basel Gill]

  On 1/30/2014 at 12:29 AM, Andrej said:

 

Let's not turn this game into Follow-The-Cop.

 

Theo is already outed, so that's 1 scum down.

 

I suggest that we use the time we still have to read back on her interactions/non-interactions with other players and then decide from there. This way we can potentially lynch another mafia today and have Theo on the back-burner for tomorrow's lynch. Not to mention GE could nab another guilty tonight = All 3 mafia down in the span of 2 phases.

 

Seriously, AJ? You find scum, you lynch scum. Period. If I had refused to vote Thea, you would've called that scummy too. I couldn't find a more blatant setup ploy if it were labeled in neon lights.

[Andrej]

Lol your reaction is kind of amusing. That was meant to be a joke, but the point remains. Theo is already pegged, speed lynching her isn't going to yield any real info because now her partners can just bus away. She isn't going anywhere and I doubt she's going to post anymore. We are better off reaching majority on someone else we can agree is a likely partner.

 

Fwiw I would scratch you off the suspect list based on your interactions with her D1. It doesn't feel like bussing when you could've simply left her alone.

[hazelkrs1]

Unvote, Vote Theo

 

I thought something had been off about her response to my somewhat jokey vote early day 1. Good call GE.

 

And yeah AJ, you DEF lynch the guilty viewing first. Confirms the Cop and confirms lack of a RB, possible lack of BD. Too valuable to pass up. Major FOS for trying to keep a summer alive another day.

[Basel Gill]

  On 1/30/2014 at 1:51 AM, Despothera said:

Unvote, Vote Theo

 

I thought something had been off about her response to my somewhat jokey vote early day 1. Good call GE.

 

And yeah AJ, you DEF lynch the guilty viewing first. Confirms the Cop and confirms lack of a RB, possible lack of BD. Too valuable to pass up. Major FOS for trying to keep a summer alive another day.

 

I wouldn't mind a summer for one day right about now...

[Andrej]

Those don't apply here Despo. This is what I'm talking about. Lynching the guilty perp just allows über-bussing.

 

For one he received a viewing so we know he wasn't RB'd. Secondly there isn't even a chance for a BD this game.

[Andrej]

Also no one has CC'd so as far as I'm concerned he is already confirmed. I'm phone posting from my son's grandparents but I'll be home in a bit and I'll read up to see what sort of connections I see.

 

I suggest the rest of you do the same.