[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia - Game Over

[AVM]

Lily -- if you think Darthe's case was weak (and it was, as I said), then you've got to find the fact that Songstress quickly jumped on board with him to be even more highly suspicious, no?

[GoldeneyesND]

Thanks for the answer Dice. It's an omgus vote. You can put a bow-tie on a turd, but that doesn't make it a gentleman, it's just a turd.

 

vote Dice

[Leelou]

Vote Count

 

Dice (4) - Peace, Pral, Lily, Goldy

Darthe (1) - Ishy

Tress (1) - AVM

Ishy (1) - Tress

Peace (1) - Dice

Lily (1) - Darthe

 

Not voting - Hallia, Key, Mish, GF

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline - Tuesday 10 AM EST

[LilyElizabeth]

Lily -- if you think Darthe's case was weak (and it was, as I said), then you've got to find the fact that Songstress quickly jumped on board with him to be even more highly suspicious, no?

 

I had forgotten that. Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, she's in my top 3 now, too. 

[dicetosser1]

so Golden someone switching their vote from a person to another person simply because that second person thought something was off with the person they were originally voting isnt weird? I basically got voted for agreeing with peace a little.

[keyholder21]

 

 

 

it was here that felt off to me re Lily. She seemed to jump on Darthe for no real reason and then twists HIS words accusing him of twisting hers. Her responses afterwards have me leaning town on her but i am a bit wary of her.

Looks like you are sitting on the fence here and that looks very suspicious. First, there was not even a vote if you felt her suspicious. Then, when you were confronted you are trying to back down with a town feeling on her. Not getting a good vibe here

 

vote dice

 

Prayalya read the blue. her comment seemed off a gut feel not enough to vote on. her responses since have me leaning town. yes im wary. but guess what?? im SUPPOSED to be wary. I do not know who to trust at this point therefore im wary of everyone.

 

 

 

 

 

there was something you said lily that just made me cock my head and huh?? and felt off. I will have to try and find it.

 

Peace big game hunting can just mean taking out established players you think are a threat to you. It does not HAVE to mean one of a certain list of players.

 

I also find it interesting that you jump from voting lily to voting me in one page because i said something felt off to me about her. Distancing yourself a bit maybe?

 

Vote Peace

Why omgus peace at all here? You said something that sounded questionable and got a vote for it. Omgusing makes it look MORE apparent you are scum backing away from a questionable vote. Please explain your thought process behind the vote and your subsequent omgus on Peace. And saying you felt weird is not a justification. I would accept that for an fos maybe, but we're past rvs and I would expect votes to have something behind them.

 

Golden read the blue and find the reason for my vote.

 

 

 

 

@dice - How is lily saying darthe is twisting her words, twisting his? It seems to me that she made a statement. I don't see any twisting.

 

which is the same as where she accused him of twisting her words. he made a statement too. Try reading without the blinkers.

 

 

So how many people is that defending Lily so far? like 3? Ishy did, key, praya. does she really need that much defending? particularly at me who has stated he is leaning town? All this defence is making me wonder if we are looking at team members here

Questioning your statement about twisting is hardly defending lily.

 

As far "reading without blinders", how about you try it instead?

[Leelou]

R2-D2 finished downloading the secret plans and members of the Rebel Alliance were able to analyze them. A weakness was found, a plan devised and pilots were readying their starfighters to take on the Empire. Luke was the newest pilot and he chose R2-D2 as his on-board droid. As R2-D2 was being lowered into Luke's X-wing fighter, a shot rang out. An electrical burst shot through R2 and his circuits were fried. 

 

Darthe, R2-D2 - member of the Rebel Alliance - mason, has died. 

[Leelou]

Vote Count

 

Dice (4) - Peace, Pral, Lily, Goldy

Tress (1) - AVM

Ishy (1) - Tress

Peace (1) - Dice

 

Not voting - Hallia, Key, Mish, GF, Ishy

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline - Tuesday 10 AM EST

[Hallia]

o.o The bloodshed!

[peacesells]

Either Lily is scum or she's being set up to take heat off of Dice.

[GoldeneyesND]

Ok, would anyone like to speculate on how we've had TWO daytime deaths? Are we really playing with 2 separate vigs, or is it 1 with a multi-kill ability? What other roles have daytime kill abilities?

[LilyElizabeth]

If I was scum, I wouldn't have shot someone I could have gotten lynched, and I believe I would have been able to get Darthe lynched. 

[Songstress]

If I was scum, I wouldn't have shot someone I could have gotten lynched, and I believe I would have been able to get Darthe lynched.

Oh joy. This seems apropos.

 

 

 

Lily -- if you think Darthe's case was weak (and it was, as I said), then you've got to find the fact that Songstress quickly jumped on board with him to be even more highly suspicious, no?

 

I had forgotten that. Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, she's in my top 3 now, too.

 

 

I'd like to hear more about what AVM thinks I "quickly jumped on board with" and why this suddenly puts me in Lily's top 3.  

 

The only thing I went on record agreeing with Darthe about was the likelihood that the vig who shot Despo was either Lily, AVM, or Ishy.  Why does this make me scum again? Were you thinking I was trailing along with Darthe's suspicion of Lily as mafia?  Because I said nothing of that sort, as you will see if you ISO my posts.  I specifically said I thought the dayvig was probably town.  

 

And now that we all know Darthe was town, do you still think I'm scum?

 

This interaction between AVM and Lily smells fishy to me.

[LilyElizabeth]

Tress, I didn't use a meta defense. I simply said that it would have been a stupid move for me to make. People do stupid things all the time in mafia, so you'll have to use your own judgment. 

[Songstress]

How about the rest?  You agreed pretty readily with AVM, the question applies to both of you.

[AVM]

Sigh...maybe if you make me repeat myself from earlier, when I voted you, I won't say the same thing this time?

 

 

Very possible Dice, but even if someone had killed Des to set me up I wouldn't consider it a threat at the moment.  It has no real basis or motive, so it seems more likely to me that we have an experienced Vig that either got rubbed the wrong way right off the bat or one that simply wanted an early flip to get things moving.  The second would make it a JN player, they do not hold their kills the same way one of us would.

 

Darthe comes in and says it's probably a JN player.

 

I'm saying I think its more likely to be AVM, you or Lily than it is to be others based on what I know.

 

Clarifies that he means myself, Lily, or Ishy.

 

 

I'm saying I think its more likely to be AVM, you or Lily than it is to be others based on what I know.

That's a pretty reasonable hypothesis. Ishy may also qualify under the other possibility as well.

 

 

Couple of posts later, you state that that's a reasonable hypothesis. 

 

 

You saying that AwesomeVM killed him then Darthe?

 

Clearly.  I considered ignoring Darthe's Dartheness, but I couldn't resist after Songstress chimed in.

 

I'm saying I think its more likely to be AVM, you or Lily than it is to be others based on what I know.

 

 

Already did.  That is my JN meta.

 

:rl:

 

The JN meta is that JN people want to set you up?  You know how often there are early Vig kills meant for setting people up over there?  

 

Early kills are 1 of 2 things -- for the lulz (most common, especially from one crowd) or killing players that are deemed a big threat (namely folks like Dan).

 

You're full of it.

 

 

I'm saying I think its more likely to be AVM, you or Lily than it is to be others based on what I know.

That's a pretty reasonable hypothesis. Ishy may also qualify under the other possibility as well.

 

 

Have you played at JN?  Even if you have, I do know there's no way you've played enough to find the "meta" Darthe is chiming about to be true.

 

unvote, vote Songstress

 

 

I then question how you could agree that it's a reasonable hypothesis that it'd be a JN'er, when you don't frequent JN.

 

 

@AVM - I don't play at JN, although I co-modded a game there and I've read most of the games played in the last year or so.

I didn't take Darthe's statement as meaning that he thinks a JN'er is trying to set him up, more that it seems most likely to be a JN player that would make the choice to dayvig so early to get a flip and info. Most of the DM players would wait longer or holster D1... unless they wanted Despo out of the way for some other reason.

I think it's most likely a town vig responsible for the kill, so there wouldn't be a "set up" aspect to the situation. If it is one of the people Darthe listed, then they are most probably town. I wouldn't be offended at his including you in that list if I were in your shoes.

 

You then suddenly have read most of the games in the past year.  Which must have been as a guest and not logged in, as I THINK your name on JN would be Tress or Tess or something to that effect?  And I never noticed that name lurking.

 

Having co-modded one game (or played one game) isn't enough to find meta's viable, it's just not.  Darthe comes up, states it's most likely it's from JN and you just quickly jump on board.  

 

More quotes to come

[AVM]

 

Lol no AVM, my JN meta is that JN players are much quicker to take a shot than DM players are.  I think it more likely that one of you would have shot because a DM player likely wouldn't have pulled the trigger yet.  

 

Overall I couldn't possibly agree more, and that makes much more sense as a "JN meta."  However, the players you are talking about specifically (I believe you named myself, Lily, and Ishy) are much more calculated. 

 

In Star Wars terms, it's like seeing something being moved by the force then saying it must be Han, R2 or an ewok because they're from the franchise.

 

@AVM - I don't play at JN, although I co-modded a game there and I've read most of the games played in the last year or so.

 

I didn't take Darthe's statement as meaning that he thinks a JN'er is trying to set him up, more that it seems most likely to be a JN player that would make the choice to dayvig so early to get a flip and info. Most of the DM players would wait longer or holster D1... unless they wanted Despo out of the way for some other reason.

 

I think it's most likely a town vig responsible for the kill, so there wouldn't be a "set up" aspect to the situation. If it is one of the people Darthe listed, then they are most probably town. I wouldn't be offended at his including you in that list if I were in your shoes.

 

Again -- a JN player IS more likely. The player base you're looking at that plays at JN (and I'm the only one that plays almost exclusively there, as far as I know) isn't known for that.

 

To the second point, I would agree.

 

 

Continued just to show the conversation as it continued with Darthe.

 

 

@AVM you make a good point that you three are not the usual three that make rash decision on JN, though it is more common still.  

 

@Peace, you're not the only person that thinks she is reacting poorly so far.  She hasn't once stepped up to me but keeps deflecting it instead.

 

Here Darthe agrees that the three in question actually aren't trigger happy, and that his point was actually...well, pointless.

 

 

Which begs the question:  If you actually were reading all the threads on JN to keep notes, learn, etc, you'd probably be mindful of those that are SUPER trigger happy -- Jetfan80 and JiF among others.  

 

I won't attempt to speak for every one, as we're all different -- but personally when I see odd playing styles that stick out to me (the first time I played with John McClane/Integrity28/Ape on JN) -- I connect the play style with the person.  I couldn't remember run of the mill players to save my life, I've got too much going on (as we all do).  If a "quick trigger" is something that sticks out enough to immediately think "OH! JN'er!" I'd think you'd connect names.  Especially since it's really just 2 or 3 people that do it lol.

 

And Darthe admitted as much.

[Songstress]

Sigh...maybe if you make me repeat myself from earlier, when I voted you, I won't say the same thing this time?

 

 

Very possible Dice, but even if someone had killed Des to set me up I wouldn't consider it a threat at the moment.  It has no real basis or motive, so it seems more likely to me that we have an experienced Vig that either got rubbed the wrong way right off the bat or one that simply wanted an early flip to get things moving.  The second would make it a JN player, they do not hold their kills the same way one of us would.

 

Darthe comes in and says it's probably a JN player.

 

I'm saying I think its more likely to be AVM, you or Lily than it is to be others based on what I know.

 

Clarifies that he means myself, Lily, or Ishy.

 

 

I'm saying I think its more likely to be AVM, you or Lily than it is to be others based on what I know.

That's a pretty reasonable hypothesis. Ishy may also qualify under the other possibility as well.

 

 

Couple of posts later, you state that that's a reasonable hypothesis. 

 

 

You saying that AwesomeVM killed him then Darthe?

 

Clearly.  I considered ignoring Darthe's Dartheness, but I couldn't resist after Songstress chimed in.

 

I'm saying I think its more likely to be AVM, you or Lily than it is to be others based on what I know.

 

 

Already did.  That is my JN meta.

 

:rl:

 

The JN meta is that JN people want to set you up?  You know how often there are early Vig kills meant for setting people up over there?  

 

Early kills are 1 of 2 things -- for the lulz (most common, especially from one crowd) or killing players that are deemed a big threat (namely folks like Dan).

 

You're full of it.

 

 

I'm saying I think its more likely to be AVM, you or Lily than it is to be others based on what I know.

That's a pretty reasonable hypothesis. Ishy may also qualify under the other possibility as well.

 

 

Have you played at JN?  Even if you have, I do know there's no way you've played enough to find the "meta" Darthe is chiming about to be true.

 

unvote, vote Songstress

 

 

I then question how you could agree that it's a reasonable hypothesis that it'd be a JN'er, when you don't frequent JN.

 

 

@AVM - I don't play at JN, although I co-modded a game there and I've read most of the games played in the last year or so.

 

I didn't take Darthe's statement as meaning that he thinks a JN'er is trying to set him up, more that it seems most likely to be a JN player that would make the choice to dayvig so early to get a flip and info. Most of the DM players would wait longer or holster D1... unless they wanted Despo out of the way for some other reason.

 

I think it's most likely a town vig responsible for the kill, so there wouldn't be a "set up" aspect to the situation. If it is one of the people Darthe listed, then they are most probably town. I wouldn't be offended at his including you in that list if I were in your shoes.

 

You then suddenly have read most of the games in the past year.  Which must have been as a guest and not logged in, as I THINK your name on JN would be Tress or Tess or something to that effect?  And I never noticed that name lurking.

 

Having co-modded one game (or played one game) isn't enough to find meta's viable, it's just not.  Darthe comes up, states it's most likely it's from JN and you just quickly jump on board.  

 

More quotes to come

 

I sign in anonymously to that site as well as DM, and I read several games (including the Hunger Games and Jaws games) before I even created my login there, so your not realizing I'm familiar with the playstyles is no surprise.

[LilyElizabeth]

Tress, if you know our meta so well, why did you agree with Darthe? Something is contradictory here. 

[John E. Kelley]

She comodded the Die Hard game. The one where we blind lynched you. As the Doc.

 

Good times.

[Hallia]

Best game NA

[Songstress]

@ AVM and Lily - Let me make this as clear as I can for both of you.  One of the names Darthe mentioned was the person I found most likely at the time to have been responsible for the Despo shooting.  Call it a significant hunch.  Sure, you three aren't the most likely to pull a stunt like that on JN, I'll give you that.  But I fail to see what you believe is scummy enough to make me "top three" about the fact that I agreed with Darthe that one of you three was more likely to have shot Despo, especially when I made it clear that I believe it's more likely to have been a townie that did it, so I wasn't trying to use it to paint the three of you in a negative light.

[AVM]

She comodded the Die Hard game. The one where we blind lynched you. As the Doc.

 

Good times.

 

You talking to me or Lily?

 

Because I was blind lynched as doc once (lulz), don't recall much of the game otherwise.  I can't count on one hand the number of people who have been blind lynched as doc at JN over the years though, sadly...so I'm not positive if you're talking to me or her.  I honestly thought she was the one that co-modded the Walking Dead game.

[John E. Kelley]

 

She comodded the Die Hard game. The one where we blind lynched you. As the Doc.

Good times.

 

 

You talking to me or Lily?

 

Because I was blind lynched as doc once (lulz), don't recall much of the game otherwise.  I can't count on one hand the number of people who have been blind lynched as doc at JN over the years though, sadly...so I'm not positive if you're talking to me or her.  I honestly thought she was the one that co-modded the Walking Dead game.

Talking to you, Lily ninja'd me. Sakaea modded the WD game. Still the low point of my mafia career sadly.

[LilyElizabeth]

Nope. Wasn't me. I'm pretty sure he meant you, Awesome.